Face it, if your band was faced with this situation, you wouldn't have done what the Clash did. They had such a deep dedication to their fans. They loved them so much and that's only one of the millions of reasons of why I love them.

sometimes i just can't believe the discourse that goes on in these comment sections.... even great bands like Clash are undermined by this juvenile arguing. it's not even about the music or any sort of informed history....geez.

jonathan

People still argue even when their is a review about THE CLASH.

Geez. Nice move guys. Bravo. Only people on this site could accomplish it.

reading the reviews on this site are often a pain in the ass...reading a nofx review people will inevitably say "nofx has no talent", or a toasters album will be littered with "ska's dead don't listen to it any more" comments afterwards. i figured if ANY review wouldn't have trash comments, it would be this one. however, you all still managed. give yourselves a round of applause.

Good fucking god, you guys are worthless. You can't fucking get through one album review without arguing. I'd love to see you hardcore kids giving your precious governmental revolution a try. I'd give you 5 minutes before you all starting arguing about who's the punkest.

Like Crego, except Crego is more hardcore then all you guys

ooooooo, you're all sooooo punk

Crass were anarchists waaaaaay before punk, they just used it to get their message out. Now they're called Conflict and are about forty years older than the bands they play with... The Damned were a pub rock band that dumbed down for punk... They were good, nothing special. Really basic punk. I wasn't really insulting them...

WWWW

Crass Bandwagon jumpers? I don't think so. Crass have been constantly active in anarchist, anti-government activity since they got together. The Damned put out the first english punk record EVER.

nothing like constructive criticism

keep name dropping. your '77 cred keeps rising.

Also, speaking of bandwagons, the Clash are the perfect example of guys who jumped on the punk bandwagon... Joe was in a rockabilly band, and Mick knew how to play the guitar much better than what you hear on the first two albums... Dumbing down to be more "punk"... Fucking bandwagoners. Just like the Damned. And Crass.

-WWWW

"i think you only own give em enough rope and this boxed set. i think you just hopped on the clash bandwagon post-strummer death and you're pretending you've been listening since you were 3."

You don't know me... But I doubt you've been rocking out to the Clash since you were three, like I have. Oh man lisen to the consensus. oh fug. I really dont care. But if my review offended you, I must have done a little good. Yeah keep rawk alive on your skateboard, man.

And be sure not to fall off the bandwagon you seem to be oblivious to the fact you're riding on... It's MY Clash and nobody elses...

WWWW

Aw come on guys. Let's call it a truce. I hate to see the fighting...

"You take yourself, this site, and music way too seriously."

you're the one who jumped my shit for saying OCTW was too good to be a rip off. i took offesnse after that and you've been getting it from me for that reason solely.

"if you spend all of your time dissing 15 year olds on a review board, you need to get a life."

you've replied to everyone of my posts...take you own advice.

"Boo hoo. Go cry about a few mistakes in a review... "

likely excuse...its called proof-reading. look into it.

"I don't see any "Clash bandwagon"..."

how can you see what you're riding on?

"you must like all of your music to sound the same."

you're 15, id say my musical palette is a bit more varied than you can even dream.

"Personally, I think you are..."

you dont know me.

"P.S. Are you actually against kids getting into the Clash because of Stummer's death and how much plublicity it got? You make me..."

not at all. what i am against is people jumping on that bandwagon, acting like they've been riding it for years...kinda like what i think you're doing.

stop dwelling on the fact you're only 15. your momma might coddle you when you dont get your way, but i sure as hell wont.

Jon:

You take yourself, this site, and music way too seriously. I said it once, I'll say it again, if you spend all of your time dissing 15 year olds on a review board, you need to get a life.

About Rhodes, I'm sorry I didn't include him in my review. But you have to admit that people complained about my Dead Boys review having too much history in it, yet most people want me to go into detail about the history of the Clash... I wrote those two reviews on the same day, and to be honest, was just seeing how easy it was to get posted on this site.

Boo hoo. Go cry about a few mistakes in a review...

I don't see any "Clash bandwagon"... All I see is a bunch of kids totally oblivious to this band listening to Rancid and thinking that they're the best thing since sliced bread... And if you HAVE heard all of the Clash's works, and still think OCTW is almost as great as GER, you must like all of your music to sound the same. Personally, I think you are one of those people who ranks down GER because of reasons which are outdated, and you don't even know about. Over-production is not territory many new bands DO NOT travel into... Oh, well... There's nothing I can do about your absolutely poor taste in music. I wish the best of you listening to Clash clones...

WWWW

P.S. Are you actually against kids getting into the Clash because of Stummer's death and how much plublicity it got? You make me...

im definitely not one to argue preferences and i might be wrong here, but you're probably in the minority on that one. dont get me wrong sadinista and combat rock have some great songs and i would call them good albums, but for the standards of the clash those two albums have some of the clash's worst songs on them.

in your defense though, sadinista is a huge album and a massive undertaking, i think they should have cut some stuff out and it might have rivaled london's calling. in my opinioon, theres just no flow to sandinista.

londons calling is a work of genius. combat rock and sandinista are works by geniuses.

"uh...i think there would be a pretty good consensus amongst people that the clash's first 3 albums are better than their last two. "

Fuck the "consensus". Sandinista! and especially Combat Rock are incredible, possibly better than the first two albums (though nothing is better than London Calling). Fuck the kids who can't deal with a band moving beyond straight ahead rock, and props to the Clash for going out on a limb and trying something different. What makes me laugh is all these half-assed bands nowadays that claim to be influenced by the Clash but just sound exactly like the first two albums. If you were REALLY influenced by the Clash, then maybe you would do like they did and try something new instead of recycling the same thing over and over. I think it's funny that the Clash were smart enough to move on from their original sound after 2 and a half years, but lots of bands today can't even move on afer 25 years. And that's why the Clash were one of the greatest bands ever, they took risks and they payed off big time. Combat Rock is a work of genius.

Well, WWWW, you would talk about Bernie Rhodes cos he was the backbone behind the Clash at the beginning -told the guys what to write about, politics, etc. He was an integral part of the band. Go read "Return of the Last Gang in Town" like that other guy suggested, maybe you'll learn a thing or two.
-Janelle

blink 182 is gr8!

It's about time someone scored them under a 5-star...

I hate The Clash, I hate old-school, and I only listen to indie rock bands and new school punk like Dillinger Four.

ok, aside from the fact that i did criticize some points that had already been criticized, i would like a bit better treatment of one of my orginal criticisms. your safe european home and tommy gunn inspiring other uk and irish bannds to write about their living conditions when those songs have nothing to do with living conditions in the uk or irerland. as a large of a clash fan as you present yourself, there are quite a few songs contained in the boxed set that actually does deal with living conditions in the uk, ireland, and almost any other industrialized nation. dont you think career opportunities, london's burning, clampdown or guns of brixton would have been more appropriate in inspiring bands to write about their living conditions?

i dont put myself above being incorrect on this next point but im gonna say it anyway. i think you only own give em enough rope and this boxed set. i think you just hopped on the clash bandwagon post-strummer death and you're pretending you've been listening since you were 3. you fucked up too much in you're review, your zealotry in defending the clash against an honest opinion of mine on the value of give em enough rope in comparison with out come the wolves is too much.

just for the record, i dont care how old you are. that is no excuse for a shitty review. if you're too young to handle the critique, you're too young to be posting reviews on this site. a shitty review is a shitty review even if its type up by a blind kid with no fingers, you're just trying to hide behind your age, cause you wrote a review about a band you supposedly love so much but fucked it up like someone who isn't that familiar with their music. save us all the trouble next time and stay away from classic bands, you dont have the capacity to give them the treatment they deserve.

eat shit.

your points are just the points of others, you didn't really say anything new or something that I hadn't adressed.

ITKAUTWNBD!

WWWW

ill take it, from your lack of criticism of my points that you give up.

jon is a worthless human being.

WWWW... you're just a dork.

"the closest thing to 80s oi rancid ever did was their first record. your lack of knowledge is obvious."

The closest thing you've probably ever had to sex is birth. Your lack of knowledge is obvious. Go back to the blow up doll...

WWWW

"didn't you say you dont even own combat rock?"

Nope, I never said that.

Jon:

"safe european home and tommy gun have no connection to UK or Irish living conditions. safe european home is about a trip to jamaica. and im pretty sure tommy gun has to do with terrorists."

Oh mmmmmmy goaaaaaawwwwwwwwfffffd. You are a fucking schnitzlpixlit idiot. Man fuuuuuuck it. I was referring to bands like SLF, KSR, as well as countless other ClOnEs... Yeah, my review sucks, but at least I dont think Rancid are nearly as good as the Clash.

Elitist VS Elitist. It's a losing game. I quit... Get off the CPU and get a life outside of slagging reviews made by 15 year olds.

WWWW

"jon, do you think the Clash are Rancid?"

no i dont. rancid are heavily influenced by the clash. tims armstrongs writing stlye is pretty distinct from joe strummers.

"but that saying one Clash record is definitely better than another is idiotic."

uh...i think there would be a pretty good consensus amongst people that the clash's first 3 albums are better than their last two. so yes it is possible to rank this bands albums. didn't you say you dont even own combat rock? how could you say that combat rock is as good as londons calling if you dont own it?

"Rancid is a shameless Clash rip off band... Or was before they poorly attempted at going 80s Oi! sound..."

the closest thing to 80s oi rancid ever did was their first record. your lack of knowledge is obvious.

for all the people who have to deal with 3 posts in a row from me, i apologize but this is ridiculous.

wwww:

for as big of a clash fan as your are you dont seem to know much about the band or their music.

safe european home and tommy gun have no connection to UK or Irish living conditions. safe european home is about a trip to jamaica. and im pretty sure tommy gun has to do with terrorists.

your review of a three disc box set by one of the best bands of all time is one of the worst ive ever read. first, you spend most of your time giving a generic history of the band that is widely known. second, a box set containing about 60 songs, you mention about 4. third, you completely mistitled a song of their that you seem to like so much. fourth, you completely ignore the 3rd disc. fifith, no mention of value of the unreleased songs on this box set. something a clash fan without this would probably want to know.

"It seems to me that The Clash have a growing reputation as a major influence to modern bands."

a growing reputation? ha... that reputation had been solidified years ago.

face it, your review sucks, you're elitism wouldn't suck so bad if you convinced me you actually knew the clash's music well. ungrateful...yeah thats a really good song.

here is the reason i dont insult people very much on this site, when the opportunity comes i want my words to mean something...you're a fuck.

jon, do you think the Clash are Rancid? Damn, you are a jackass... I said that OCTW is a rip off piece of shit, but that saying one Clash record is definitely better than another is idiotic. Rancid is a shameless Clash rip off band... Or was before they poorly attempted at going 80s Oi! sound... Getting lost in the 70s is for wankers, but I see nothing wrong with listening to music from that era and prefering it over new age imitations... If you want to hear Tim Armstrong doing something KINDA original, buy the Op Ivy record. Yeah, wage a war on everybody who doesn't like new punk as much as old...

WWWW

"jonbonbandersnatch must not really own GER... Anybody with that album wouldn't still be listening to Rancid

"Saying that one if their albums is "ten better" than another one of their albums, and that everybody has to agree with you or they're not a real fan, is RIDICULOUS. Go away... Let us

two comments by the same person...doesn't seem to make much sense to me. they almost appear to say opposite things. looks like someones got a prob with logic.

alright..have fun...being lost in the 70s is a really good time.

"oh yeah and by the way, if you knew anything about the clash (and weren't just trying to act like a "real" clash fan,) you'd admit that london calling is ten times better than give em enough rope..."

Hahaha... I never said it was my favorite Clash release, and in fact London Calling is better in my opinion, but one of the greatest things about the Clash is the fact that everybody finds something in their music, and that they changed styles so much... Saying that one if their albums is "ten better" than another one of their albums, and that everybody has to agree with you or they're not a real fan, is RIDICULOUS. Go away... Let us listen to our music.

WWWW

oh yeah and by the way, if you knew anything about the clash (and weren't just trying to act like a "real" clash fan,) you'd admit that london calling is ten times better than give em enough rope...

"jonbonbandersnatch must not really own GER... Anybody with that album wouldn't still be listening to Rancid (which is the Clash with a lead guitarist who isn't as good and pussy lyrics). If it was one of your "personal faves", how could you say it's "not that much better than OCTW"? People rag on Give'em Enough Rope because of "overproduction", but listening by modern standards, that "bad" point just makes it sound much less dated..."

im willing to bet i had give em enough rope before you even heard rock the casbah jackass

""yes, give em enough rope is a great album (one of my personal faves), but it is not that much better than octw."

hhahahahahahhahaha

idiot... "

Oh, that's right. Everybody needs to like the album as much as you do.

Douchebag.

jonbonbandersnatch must not really own GER... Anybody with that album wouldn't still be listening to Rancid (which is the Clash with a lead guitarist who isn't as good and pussy lyrics). If it was one of your "personal faves", how could you say it's "not that much better than OCTW"? People rag on Give'em Enough Rope because of "overproduction", but listening by modern standards, that "bad" point just makes it sound much less dated...

WWWW

"yes, give em enough rope is a great album (one of my personal faves), but it is not that much better than octw."

hhahahahahahhahaha

idiot...

I'm the only person I've ever met who does not like the Clash. I respect the hell out of them, however, I don't like their music save a few songs.
(waits patiently for the oncoming slew of insults about punk and music)

"Maybe if Rancid listed the Clash as one of the bands that inspired them, I'd cut them some slack."

ummm, im pretty sure tim armstong has been pretty vocal about the influence of the clash on rancid. he did sign joe to hellcat and was on a clash tribute album. im pretty sure some slack cutting is in order,

yes, give em enough rope is a great album (one of my personal faves), but it is not that much better than octw. that assertion was way too dramamtic.

The Clash: the only band that fucking mattered.

"you must have a fucked up box because mine says demo and unedited"

I just my box, and it says it's a live version. Maybe it is a demo, though.

WWWW

"Not to nitpick, but the song is called "Hateful," not "Ungrateful." You don't seem to know much about the Clash or their history. I suggest you, and everyone else here, read the fadcinating "Return of the Last Gang in Town" by Marcus Grey."

Sorry... I didnt know you guys wanted a history lesson on the Clash... In any case, don't ask me cos I'm only 15. I based the "history" part on their DVD documentary. Also, how can you judge that I don't know much about the Clash from my mispelling of one of their song titles...

-WWWW

P.S. Why would I talk about Bernie Rhodes????????

"i wouldn't call it ripping off...octw is too good of an album to be a rip off..."

Maybe if Rancid listed the Clash as one of the bands that inspired them, I'd cut them some slack. OCTW is shit compared to Give'em Enough Rope.

you must have a fucked up box because mine says demo and unedited

"the "live" version of janie jones isn't live it's a demo. and straight to hell isn't live either, it's the unedited version."

I went by what it said on the box...

-WetWild

"Not to nitpick, but the song is called "Hateful," not "Ungrateful.""

Yeah, I know... I fucked up this review major. Pay no attention to it.

i wouldn't call it ripping off...octw is too good of an album to be a rip off...

Great stuff.....I was just listening to Rancids OCTW and it is almost shameful at how much they tried to rip off the clash. The Clash were absolutely amazing.

i have 4 of the 5 original clash albums on vinyl (all i'm missing is Combat Rock)

I'm so punk :)

I dont even really know what the hell this is but anything by the clash is frickin awesome!.... I like rancid :)

I wish someone would release a box set of all the non album stuff. 40 dollars is too much to spend on something when i already have most of the songs. Great collection for people just getting into the band though.

The whole thing is genius, start to finish. ESPECIALLY the third disc. One of the few releases that actually deserves a 10. The booklet is great too.

Not to nitpick, but the song is called "Hateful," not "Ungrateful." You don't seem to know much about the Clash or their history. I suggest you, and everyone else here, read the fadcinating "Return of the Last Gang in Town" by Marcus Grey.

Um, you left out an IMPORTANT part of your story of the Clash that you claim all the kids know-Bernie Rhodes played an invaluable part in forming the band and it's ideals. Rhodes was the "Malcolm McLaren" of the Clash.
-Janelle

the "live" version of janie jones isn't live it's a demo. and straight to hell isn't live either, it's the unedited version.

JeffO

I'd say thae best Clash songs are "I'm Not Down", "Guns Of Brixton", and "I'm So Bored With The USA". But I like almost all of their songs.....what an amazing band.