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Published on December 5th 2003

Two words: radio show.

Though to most of you it might seem like I chose the lesser of two evils, Story of the Year, Kill Hannah, and Three Days Grace was also on the bill, playing in the Met Café down the block, but I sat put in Lupo's for -- besides obvious reasons -- one if its last shows before it moves to the Strand. The Crystal Method also spun between sets at Lupo's. I remember them remixing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" at one point and also playing some AC/DC.

Compromising Yellowcard's set for Less than Jake's earlier at Warped this year, it ended up working out anyway, being they opened the whole thing, fucking shit up. And by "fucking shit up," I mean breaking strings. Sean (violinist) broke one on the first song, "Breathing," as did one of the guitarists. Except, fixing a violin string isn't exactly a cut-and-paste job in the middle of a set, so Sean finished the rest of the band's set with the remaining three strings. They covered the three of their "better-known" releases well, also playing "Avondale" off the Underdog EP, and both "Sureshot" and "October Nights" off One for the Kids. Ryan had said they just flew in on a twenty-one hour flight from Japan (thus prompting a "give it up for the Asians" salute), but I didn't notice any fatigue. He also announced their repeat stint on next year's Warped Tour [insert editorial piece on the same bands every year here]. They also played the title track off Ocean Avenue, and closed with "Way Away." No backflip thanks to the size of the stage, but still a more than competent set.

You know, I always wanted to experience fifteen-year-old-girl in surround sound, and Something Corporate made that happen! Now, I don't necessarily have any biases against them, nor do I deny enjoying them on CD, because I do, but their style doesn't quite match up with the live show. The singer Andrew's constant yells of "Let's goooo!" or "Alright Rhode Island/Providence, you ready?!" before every chorus is completely unnecessary knowing that the coming chorus only carries an adagio or andante tempo, and not exactly something's that going to brew a vicious circle pit. The guitars were ENTIRELY too low until halfway through when my friend caught the attention of the right-stage guitarist. They opened with "Straw Dog," and also played (not necessarily in this order) "Fall," "I Woke Up in a Car," "Punk Rock Princess" (in Dolby Digital if you get my drift), "Ruthless," "Space," "Down," "Only Ashes," and closed with "Hurricane." I guess I could've saved a paragraph by just saying meh, although watching Andrew treat his piano keys like a treadmill during the closer was sort of cool.

Brand New walked up, and the opening of "Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows" was heard in the air, and "Seventy Times 7" immediately following. With Vinnie spinning in circles, and Jesse doing his "I'm the only person in the room" stares, everything seemed nicely modus operandi for them. Since it was obvious that most of these kinderlach in the crowd were leaving after the set, the emotion in the room was peak. In the post-Your Favorite Weapon era, Jesse is too cool to pretend there's a crowd in front of him and actually INTERACT OR SOMETHING, but his mercurial rising vocals worked admirably as usual. Despite the denial of several requests for "Play Crack the Sky," they split the material from both albums well. The played "Okay I Believe You But My Tommy Gun Don't" and "Jaws Theme Swimming" from Deja Entendu, the latter of which had a dose of psychedelia with its extended bridge. From YFW they played the necessary "Jude Law and a Semester Abroad," and also "Mixtape" and "Soco Amaretto Lime." Bass-driven "Sic Transit Gloria" finished up [insert comment about inserting comment about Abercrombie blah blah blah ] a solid set.

Bye kids! I'm not trying to strengthen sweeping clichés and generalizations, but the average age of the room significantly increased, and the majority gender flip-flopped, as Story of the Year had just begun their set at the Met. Nonetheless, there was still an immense crowd ready for an unexpected hour and a half of Rancid. Once again, I had skipped my opportunity to seem them on Warped due to an energy-draining Suicide Machines set, but seeing Rancid in the club setting would make seeing them for the first time worth it. The band came on along with Tim Armstrong's permanent sneer, and went right into "Ruby Soho," and following, "Roots Radicals," the beginning of what would be a LOT of songs off And Out Come the Wolves. Some of the songs from it included "Time Bomb," "Lock Step & Gone," "Listed M.I.A.," "Journey to East End Bay," "She's Automatic," and "The Way I Feel." They covered every major release of their career though, as "David Courtney," "It's Quite Alright," "Hoover Street," "Red Hot Moon," "Tenderloin," and "Hyena" were played as well. They even played "As Wicked," Lars telling us that it was the first time since 1996 they had played it live. They stayed strong throughout the long set, even as Lars started to slur a bit on one chorus. At one point, everyone but him left the stage, and he played "The Wars End," solo and plugged in. Matt Freeman put a few different notes into his extended bass solo in "Maxwell Murder." Live, "Fall Back Down" loses a bit of its pop glamour which translated well. It was twelve-thirty A.M. when the band left the stage, and there was a non-stop cheer of "Ran-cid! Ran-cid!" that only got louder and faster and literally didn't end for a full two/three minutes until they came back on. Lars said, "This is our longest show [indecipherable finish of sentence as he just started to mumble]." They played two more songs, closing with a classic rendition of "Radio," funny considering it was a station that organized this show. There ain't nothing like Rancid on a...Wednesday morning.

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Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-12 16:48:05
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"i like rancid, and i see both of your points. they are staying "true" to old school punk, however i also see the "cheesiness" of rancid. imagine seeing a hip hop group that dressed exactly like run-dmc in 1980 and sounded pretty much the same too but didn't form until 10-12 years later, they would look kind of stupid"

I really hate it when people call punk "old school"...it's a hip hop term, and the middle class americans have already stolen enough words from the hip hop community. "Fo shizzle."

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 2:10 PM (EST)
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you mean to tell me that there is punk rock that isn't on Epitaph?
shit apparently i don't know anything about punk rock and i've wasted the past 10 years of my life

as far as those bands dressing punk it was because they were punks not because it was punk...get it? it was original and personal

and if you want to talk about bands that influenced rancid...there would be no rancid without the clash (or ramones for that matter) who contrary to popular belief were never THAT popular or rich

remember where this started i said rancid was cheesy and contrived...had they formed in 1977 instead of 1992 there little outfits would make a little more sense or had they been from england instead of california their accents might fit them better

as far as the pennywise comparison: i was just trying to show how a band's image can be outshined by their music and i wanted to use a band that was approximately the same era as rancid. bands like pennwyise (and their influences like minor threat, black flag, dead kennedys etc.)proved their so-called "punkness" through their music and ethic, not their skull tattos and haircuts. yes, they play two different kinds of punk, but in the gigantic world of music they are incredibly similar.

if you want to like rancid go ahead and like them...because afterall, its about the music right? i'm just saying the whole idea of "ranicid" is kind of corny. i can guarantee that the guys in the bands your talking about thought rancid was rediculous when they first appeared to the wolrd (on MTV) in the early 90s.

fuck you, i'm done with this shit

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 1:20 PM (EST)
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there we go,

"the ramones and the clash -- they wore leather jackets and jeans because it was rebelious and all they could afford, not because it was "punk""

You're wrong again. Are you saying once they became popular, they stopped wearing leather jackets and jeans? Wrong... You expect people to wear expensive clothes just because they have money? You don't know that much about early punk, do you? Do you know anything about UK82, American Street Punk, or any other 77 Punk bands besides The Clash and The Ramones? They wore leather jackets and shit because it was Punk.

"plenty of bands rock harder than they look...take for example the oh so hated pennywise:"

I'm responding do a 13 year old. Just because a band is faster and harder doesn't mean it's more punk. Pennywise does not play Street-style Punk. They have kind of a skate image, which has nothing to do with old-school roots.

"they've been around longer than ranicd (that's right, A Word from the Wise was released before Energy...which of course was before Rancid)"

What does this have to do with anything?

"they play harder, faster, and angrier music than rancid, they tour more, put out more albums, and are truer to their fans...and they've done it all themselves with little to no radio play and no mtv at all (unlike rancid) but they're up on stage in t-shirts and jeans, looking like they put on teh first thing in the morning unlike rancid who wakes up each morning and spends two hours putting on their $200 doc martins and custom fit leather pants"

Once again, Pennywise doesn't play street-style punk rock. The Undying and Hatebreed play faster, louder and angrier music than both Pennywise and Rancid but if they dressed up as punks, it wouldn't fit their sound. What does touring more and making more albums have to do with being punk? Rancid also makes high quality albums with roughly 19 songs on it. They also have side projects and run Hell-Cat records.

"back to the point: as far as rancid looking and sounding like old school street punks...you're saying that they are completley unoriginal...which goes back to their image being completley contrived"

Yeah they're not very original. Their music and image is influenced by other bands, but are you saying Pennywise is original? haha, when you brought Pennywise into I laughed. Pennywise is played on Much Music and MTV just as much as Rancid. They release singles and make videos. Where do you think those videos go? I always hear their song "Yesterdays" on KROQ. They go onto late night shows to play. Comparing Pennywise to Rancid was a mistake. Of course the only bands you know are probably on Epitaph. Who else would use Pennywise to compare Rancid?

"oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?"

Haha, you're questioning this? Look it up in every detailed Rancid biography. There's always a way to find instruments, they weren't homeless kid.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 1:16 PM (EST)
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>

You're wrong again. Are you saying once they became popular, they stopped wearing leather jackets and jeans? Wrong... You expect people to wear expensive clothes just because they have money? You don't know that much about early punk, do you? Do you know anything about UK82, American Street Punk, or any other 77 Punk bands besides The Clash and The Ramones? They wore leather jackets and shit because it was Punk.

>

I'm responding do a 13 year old. Just because a band is faster and harder doesn't mean it's more punk. Pennywise does not play Street-style Punk. They have kind of a skate image, which has nothing to do with old-school roots.

>

What does this have to do with anything?

>

Once again, Pennywise doesn't play street-style punk rock. The Undying and Hatebreed play faster, louder and angrier music than both Pennywise and Rancid but if they dressed up as punks, it wouldn't fit their sound. What does touring more and making more albums have to do with being punk? Rancid also makes high quality albums with roughly 19 songs on it. They also have side projects and run Hell-Cat records.

>

Yeah they're not very original. Their music and image is influenced by other bands, but are you saying Pennywise is original? haha, when you brought Pennywise into I laughed. Pennywise is played on Much Music and MTV just as much as Rancid. They release singles and make videos. Where do you think those videos go? I always hear their song "Yesterdays" on KROQ. They go onto late night shows to play. Comparing Pennywise to Rancid was a mistake. Of course the only bands you know are probably on Epitaph. Who else would use Pennywise to compare Rancid?

>

Haha, you're questioning this? Look it up in every detailed Rancid biography. There's always a way to find instruments, they weren't homeless kid.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 1:12 PM (EST)
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"oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?"

two words for you: PAWN SHOP...right-o.
-Janelle

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 11:30 AM (EST)
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i like rancid, and i see both of your points. they are staying "true" to old school punk, however i also see the "cheesiness" of rancid. imagine seeing a hip hop group that dressed exactly like run-dmc in 1980 and sounded pretty much the same too but didn't form until 10-12 years later, they would look kind of stupid

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 11:07 AM (EST)
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"Yeah you don't know too much about Punk Rock. Rancid plays mostly old school street punk. Most old school (UK82, American Hardcore and 77) punk bands dressed like Punks. Punk Music began with the mohawks, leather, spikes, etc. Rancid is also genuine. They were born and raised in the gutter and grew up on the streets. They worked very hard to get where they're at now.

Rancid's image and lifestyle also fits with their sound too you dumbshit. Good Charlotte's lyrics and sound have nothing to do with their image. Learn about Punk's roots and culture before you make ignorant comments. Fuckin' moron."

your right i know absolutley nothing about punk rock.

the ramones and the clash -- they wore leather jackets and jeans because it was rebelious and all they could afford, not because it was "punk"

plenty of bands rock harder than they look...take for example the oh so hated pennywise:

they've been around longer than ranicd (that's right, A Word from the Wise was released before Energy...which of course was before Rancid)

they play harder, faster, and angrier music than rancid, they tour more, put out more albums, and are truer to their fans...and they've done it all themselves with little to no radio play and no mtv at all (unlike rancid) but they're up on stage in t-shirts and jeans, looking like they put on teh first thing in the morning unlike rancid who wakes up each morning and spends two hours putting on their $200 doc martins and custom fit leather pants

back to the point: as far as rancid looking and sounding like old school street punks...you're saying that they are completley unoriginal...which goes back to their image being completley contrived

oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 6:22 AM (EST)
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uhhhh...and as an added disclaimer, when I use these affectionate words (i.e. hun, my dear) it's not meant to be condescending at all. I mean it nicely...I had to say this cos you seem kinda dense.
-J

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 6:18 AM (EST)
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"Hey at least i have an identity. Some people are too pussy to write their own names. And dont bother me with your petty critisism it wont get you any where. If you lived where i do you wouldnt talk shit. Becides it was inspired ny one of my favorite movies of all time. RomperStomper. So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy"."

Ok, first off don't tell ME you have an identity - THIS IS my fucking name. Wow, I didn't think anyone ever thought it was a "screen name". Secondly, I was agreeing with your logic - there was no sarcasm there, hun.
Lastly, I called you "Prepy" cos your name is Prepystomper and I was shortening it. You don't see Funkisdead getting all hot and bothered cos I shorten his name to "Funk" - it's all about the time savers, my dear.
-Janelle

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 2:00 AM (EST)
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"does anybody else feel like rancid is one of the most amazingly cheesy bands out there?

from their name to their tattoos and mohawks to lars and tims' drunk "british" sounding voices to the nihilism clothing company and back to their bondage pants and liberty spikes

they just seem like they're the perfect little punk band...like they spent their formative years perfecting their image

i don't know, i just think they're kind of like good charlotte but 10 years older"

Yeah you don't know too much about Punk Rock. Rancid plays mostly old school street punk. Most old school (UK82, American Hardcore and 77) punk bands dressed like Punks. Punk Music began with the mohawks, leather, spikes, etc. Rancid is also genuine. They were born and raised in the gutter and grew up on the streets. They worked very hard to get where they're at now.

Rancid's image and lifestyle also fits with their sound too you dumbshit. Good Charlotte's lyrics and sound have nothing to do with their image. Learn about Punk's roots and culture before you make ignorant comments. Fuckin' moron.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 12, 2003 at 12:15 AM (EST)
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""Own"?
Let's come up with an original vocabulary kid."

i would, but when i say words like 'frunpy' and 'stupenderiffic' people look at me funny.
all the good words are taken up already.

(im also not a kid, but i say kid to everyone as well so..)

still no comment on how you kids probably attribute these posts to daily conversation. i cant believe these arguments are still going on.

Posted by PrepyStomper on 2003-12-11 23:48:25
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First off my screen name is the same as all of my others. Second, it is a modified spelling for to save space. Third, i am in highschool, i plan to graduate, and i have good marks. Screw a GED cause that will get me no where. Jenelle i am sorry for my cutting remark but you pushed a sore spot. I am sure that you are a good person. And you guys just because you know someones name doesnt mean you know them so my "whoever" comment was justified. I do not beat up preppies for no reason. I fight to defend myself. When you live in a town that hates you and what you stand for you dont really have a choice. Oh and another thing, I like RomperStomper because of Russel Crow. And another thing i do have intelligent things to say if you gave me a chance.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 11:39 PM (EST)
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""its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Stupid comment asshole. For one, Rancid has always stood for unity. That has never been abandoned. Secondly, Matt Freeman's image has never changed. Armstrong's hasn't greatly either. He was wearing the same fucking bandanas back in op ivy with a bald head that he does today. Sure, he sported a mohawk for a few years and his clothes may be a bit different now. Do you look the same as you did 14 years ago? Stop wasting your time on the petty shit, just like I'm wasting my time on this post.
Prepy Stomper- How are you able to "recearch" punk when you can't even spell your own fucking screen name? Just curious. I'm glad you like kicking the shit out of preppies. That's very punk and open minded of you. Then again, since your favorite movie is Romper Stomper, I'm sure you kick all kinds of ass. Try kicking more ass in school and getting your GED instead.
The Clash fucking dominate and without them, we wouldn't have a lot of the bands that exist today. There music is just as relevant now as it was back in the 70's. Much respect always to Joe Strummer and Crew.....
Mr. Kenzington "

yeah, that just kicks loads of ass. This score is for Mr. Kenzington.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 11:25 PM (EST)
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does anybody else feel like rancid is one of the most amazingly cheesy bands out there?

from their name to their tattoos and mohawks to lars and tims' drunk "british" sounding voices to the nihilism clothing company and back to their bondage pants and liberty spikes

they just seem like they're the perfect little punk band...like they spent their formative years perfecting their image

i don't know, i just think they're kind of like good charlotte but 10 years older

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 11:15 PM (EST)
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"its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Hey goober, you already posted that message a few days earlier. You're not cool...

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-11 22:33:48
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mr. kenzington is right, despite all his bsd hating.
you don't just show up on a site and start talking shit to the fucking community.
especially when you have nothing intelligent to say.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 9:29 PM (EST)
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"So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy". "

Uhh, her name is probably Janelle idiot.
I know that must seem like a mysterious alias to you, since your real identity is "prepy stomper".
Mr. Kenzington

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-11 21:16:28
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Prepy is on my bad list.
Fuck you, Prepy.
Janelle stays.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 9:14 PM (EST)
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I go on a spelling rant and mispell "their". Oh well.
Kenzington

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 9:13 PM (EST)
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"its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Stupid comment asshole. For one, Rancid has always stood for unity. That has never been abandoned. Secondly, Matt Freeman's image has never changed. Armstrong's hasn't greatly either. He was wearing the same fucking bandanas back in op ivy with a bald head that he does today. Sure, he sported a mohawk for a few years and his clothes may be a bit different now. Do you look the same as you did 14 years ago? Stop wasting your time on the petty shit, just like I'm wasting my time on this post.
Prepy Stomper- How are you able to "recearch" punk when you can't even spell your own fucking screen name? Just curious. I'm glad you like kicking the shit out of preppies. That's very punk and open minded of you. Then again, since your favorite movie is Romper Stomper, I'm sure you kick all kinds of ass. Try kicking more ass in school and getting your GED instead.
The Clash fucking dominate and without them, we wouldn't have a lot of the bands that exist today. There music is just as relevant now as it was back in the 70's. Much respect always to Joe Strummer and Crew.....
Mr. Kenzington

Posted by PrepyStomper on 2003-12-11 20:27:03
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BSD, i am really not that much older than you. Try 17. But i do my recearch. and guess what else is really funny. I am a "she". Didnt think so huh? Well i am and i am no ones heir. But its nice to have someone on your side right? and for the rest of you, stop fighting over technicalities. ( if i spelled it right)

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 8:18 PM (EST)
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Stomper is like my heir, except he's probably much older than me. Go easy on J, the old school fans here are so few and far between that I don't think we can afford to split up.

-BSD

Posted by PrepyStomper on 2003-12-11 20:07:54
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"i like your logic, prepy, but the name...well, it could use some work."
-Janelle

Hey at least i have an identity. Some people are too pussy to write their own names. And dont bother me with your petty critisism it wont get you any where. If you lived where i do you wouldnt talk shit. Becides it was inspired ny one of my favorite movies of all time. RomperStomper. So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy".

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-11 19:55:41
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rites of spring = golden...
i wasnt jumping to conclusions, necessarily, just making conversation.

janelle isn't really all about the benjamins.
she's actually punk as fuck.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 7:47 PM (EST)
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i'm all about the benjamins, funk.
-Janelle

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 7:28 PM (EST)
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"you shit talk emo, but some of the earliest emo is fucking great. the lyrics were intelligent, and the bands could really play the fuck out of their instruments. it was fresh, when it first came out, and i think that the "emo" classification has been stretched to this new shit punk, to make it easier on the marketing guys at major record labels."

That isn't even emo, that's post-hardcore, and I love it. The Rites of Spring comp. CD is awesome, one of my faves. So don't rush to judgement.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 7:24 PM (EST)
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its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-11 18:02:05
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also, the new kids are all about the benjamins.

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-11 17:59:57
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bsd- you shit talk emo, but some of the earliest emo is fucking great. the lyrics were intelligent, and the bands could really play the fuck out of their instruments. it was fresh, when it first came out, and i think that the "emo" classification has been stretched to this new shit punk, to make it easier on the marketing guys at major record labels.
no one had ever sounded like cap'n jazz before, and they didnt give a fuck about the public's response... they just rocked. the emo pioneers had ethics, and it is unfortunate that they are lumped in with this new wave of bullshit pop.
i would say that the new "emo" is exactly what the old emo was rebelling against... the earlier bands tried to write intelligently, and they didn't give a fuck about commercial appeal. the new kids write like fucking morons, and they can't play their instruments for shit.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 4:51 PM (EST)
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I guess listening to Rancid is better than a ton of those other pop punk bands... But not as good as liking real bands that have contributed to music.

-BSD

Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-11 15:36:01
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Wrong. To say Rancid > The Clash, The Ramones, or numerous other great punk bands is just wrong. I give them that they're a credible punk act, but they are FAR from being the best ever. You're just way off there mate.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 2:29 PM (EST)
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Rancid is definitly the best Punk band to date. No questions about it. 9 classic albums (which include Op Ivy, The Bastards and Transplants) No one can beat that. They're musical geniouses and that's why they get so much publicity.

Rancid was both Joe Strummer's and Joey Ramone's favourite new punk band and if my opinion doesn't matter, obviously there's will.

Long live Rancid

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 11, 2003 at 10:30 AM (EST)
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i like your logic, prepy, but the name...well, it could use some work.
-Janelle

Posted by PrepyStomper on 2003-12-11 00:55:09
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BSD i am on your side. It doesnt matter what the others say cause they havn't done the research. And guys age has nothing to do with the spirit of the music. All that matters is getting facts straight and giving creadit where creadit is due. Who cares what band you like as long as you represent what we have all worked so hard to creat. every punk rocker out there has contributed to the movement. even thought some have done more, like the clash. you know if it wasnt for them and other "old" bands like them the music you listen to today would be going in a totally different direction. so shut the hell up.

Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-10 23:18:46
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Why can't we listen to The Clash anymore? Cos they're old? Why can't we listen to them cos they're good? Music doesn't hafto be new to be listenable.

BSD - You're right about the "devolving". And for a 15 yo you're pretty knowledgeable so I can't bash that.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 9:39 PM (EST)
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bsd = just another arrogant kid that sucks at life and looks like a fool when he talks about music. You look ridiculous kid and you continue to show your stupidity more and more everytime you post a message

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 7:53 PM (EST)
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"Hey BSD-
If you're only 15, shouldn't you be in school today? Or, did you skip class so that you're band (that's better than Rancid)could practice? Nah, that's not it, cause you've been on the internet all day long talking shit. You should be practicing.... for your driver's permit that is. We're still waiting for you to post you're MP3s so that we can be impressed. Are you a latchkey kid? You seem very angry."

Oh shut the hell up with your quasi sarcastic mental analysis. I live in KC. We got hit with a snow storm, so we got out of school.

To all who try to bash the Clash: You look dumber with every comment.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 7:35 PM (EST)
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just fuckin get over it...
best,
Janelle

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-10 18:47:39
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I am thinking for myself
And that's why I can sit here and say The Clash are played out
The served thier purpose ... that's nice ... move on

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 5:47 PM (EST)
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Hey BSD-
If you're only 15, shouldn't you be in school today? Or, did you skip class so that you're band (that's better than Rancid)could practice? Nah, that's not it, cause you've been on the internet all day long talking shit. You should be practicing.... for your driver's permit that is. We're still waiting for you to post you're MP3s so that we can be impressed. Are you a latchkey kid? You seem very angry.
Dango

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-10 16:45:20
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i really dont worship thrice... at all.. i used to think they had the greatest musicianship about 9 months ago, but i listen to a lot more now, i just dont feel like changing my username because people already know me and stuff.

BSd, shut the hell up. You suck.

aww shit, now i look like an idiot.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 4:39 PM (EST)
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Oh I'm sorry I don't live up to the writing criteria of someone who worships Thrice. Fuck off you dick that won't get up.

-BSD

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-10 16:35:49
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ex:

"mikeinflames, shut the hell up. You suck."

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-10 16:34:40
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BSD.. i like how you gain some credibility, but then go ahead and say something really fucking dumb and just ruin it for yourself. even if the idea isn't dumb, just the way you say it...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 1:26 PM (EST)
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"No what I've been trying to say all along is that The Clash were great for thier time
They did a lot for punk rock and that's great
But you can't stay stuck in the past
There are so many good bands out there that people don't give a chance because either (a) they don't soud like The Clash or (b) they sound too much like The Clash"

What the fuck are you talking about? People who defend good music are stuck in the past? The bottom line is that you fucked with the Clash, I told you how your description of them was way off and now you're saying you respect them, but they aren't any good. I like a lot of bands who sound nothing like the Clash... Maybe you should get out of your bull shit mindset and learn to think for yourself instead of making ill informed opinions. Same goes for Thriceequalsgod.

-BSD

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-10 10:23:12
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No what I've been trying to say all along is that The Clash were great for thier time
They did a lot for punk rock and that's great
But you can't stay stuck in the past
There are so many good bands out there that people don't give a chance because either (a) they don't soud like The Clash or (b) they sound too much like The Clash
It's pretty silly if you ask me

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 10, 2003 at 9:41 AM (EST)
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Mikeinflames now realizes how dumb he sounded and is trying to make it look like I was saying that every punk band should sound like the Clash. And yeah, punk didn't evolve, it devolved (hardcore, oi, grind, thrash, crust). Music would be boring if there were a hundred Clash clones. That there are, though, and they're the least boring of the new wave of punk. At least some are pretty fun live. Emo, hardcore metal, etc... That crap's just as boring as what the Clash rebelled against.

-BSD

Posted by joeg on 2003-12-10 01:32:48
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i don't think its wrong to not like the clash. i don't think anybody here is saying that. but i think you should respect them for how groundbreaking they were, even if you don't like them. i like the clash, but there are some clash songs i don't dig. but i got a hell of a lot of respect for them. i think mikeinflames was trying to say that but it just came out wrong.

Posted by PrepyStomper on 2003-12-10 00:40:07
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Hey i have to give a "hell yeah!!" to all those Clash fans out there. And for all you people with shit for brains, read PUNK:THE ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF A MUSIC REVOLUTION. maybe then you will have a clue. if your gonna talk shit get your facts straight at least.
-Cay

Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-09 23:11:26
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Actually I think the music scene now is pretty damn boring. Way too muc post-harcore and emo.

If you consider The Clash boring then somehow you're missing the point. When you say "I'm glad every band doesn't sound like The Clash" you obviously don't know how many bands today have drawn inspirationally and musically from Joe Strummer and The Clash.

Besides, there have been bands who've tried to imitate them but never done it that well. The Clash were unique, something that's worth a lot in the punk rock world.

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-09 22:24:11
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The Clash were good for thier time
But music has evolved (which is a good thing)
How fucking boring would punk rock be if every band sounded like The Clash
Pretty boring I must admit

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 5:54 PM (EST)
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"Did I miss the sarcasm, or did BSD just say he's 15?"

No sarcasm to miss.

Thriceequalsgod, either listen to the Clash's first 3 albums or go through life sounding like an idiot when it comes to music. Same goes for the dumbass who said "Jawbreaker rules!" what a fucking dumbass...

mikeinflames, shut the hell up. You suck.

About technical skill: I find no problem with simple guitars. I like a lot of bands with simpler guitar parts, but none that are as derivative or overriden by the bass as Rancid.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 5:21 PM (EST)
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"mikeinflames, it is time for your nap.
and here ya go, here is your booster seat. and Let me put that bib on you before you eat. I'll even do the airplane trick with your food."
Ha! Love it.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 4:33 PM (EST)
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You know what I find hilarious? This guys BSD claims Rancid's guitar work is elementary. Which, it may be.

But apparently he must not listen to punk rock, because if Rancid's guitar work is "5th grade", then most of the guitar work in punk is 1st or 2nd grade.

That's what makes punk so great. You don't need to be some skilled musician to play the music and make good tunes.

This score is for Rancid.

Posted by Mr_Pink on 2003-12-09 16:22:28
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The Clash put out two 100% bulletproof classic albums. That alone secures their place in the history books. Not everything they touched turned to gold, though, and it's not spitting on their legacy to say so. I personally can't get into the more disco-ish stuff like Magnificent Seven and Radio Clash, and Rock the Casbah got so overplayed on the radio and MTV back then that I still can't enjoy it. Kids who flat-out disrespect this band and others like them without acknowledging their importance are only trying to be outrageous for attention's sake. Ignore it. On the other hand, claiming that the ONLY good music came out of the 77 era (and I LOVE 70s punk) is about the same as a Deadhead crying about how much music has gone downhill since the Summer of Love. It's especially ridiculous coming from a bunch of teenagers. Quit trying to turn yourselves into the new hippies.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 2:43 PM (EST)
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mikeinflames, it is time for your nap.
and here ya go, here is your booster seat. and Let me put that bib on you before you eat. I'll even do the airplane trick with your food.

You little punk kid. Brat.

The Clash rule. Rancid can't even carry their jock strap.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 1:50 PM (EST)
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"Own"?
Let's come up with an original vocabulary kid.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 11:37 AM (EST)
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dead milkmen own you

what gets me, is that some of you probably talk about this commentary in your everyday lives...

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-09 00:59:09
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i'm surprised that no one has taken the time to comment on how groundbreaking the clash were...

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 12:25 AM (EST)
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we already knew that JOEG. You don't have to recycle the same shit, got it?

Posted by joeg on 2003-12-09 00:15:17
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 9, 2003 at 12:06 AM (EST)
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The Clash boring? Hell no. You don't need to like them, but to call them boring?

BLASHPHEMY! Leave this site.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 11:37 PM (EST)
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I don't like the Clash because I find them boring as hell. Is that so bad? To find an influential band boring? It's not my fault, their sound just doesn't appeal to me.

Long live Jawbreaker!

Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-08 23:27:29
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Seriously wtf is wrong with your head? London Calling is one of the best albums of all time. Groundbreaking shit.

What has Thrice done that's so original? Steal metalcore riffs? Scream? Throw me a friggin' bone here.

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-08 21:42:32
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honestly, i dont really remember which songs i heard. i think i listened to clips from all the songs on london calling and didn't like any of them. my tastes have changed so if me giving the album a second listen (in full) is neccessary, then sure.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 9:30 PM (EST)
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"You're probablly over 30 years old ... sitting in your parents basement jerking off to the Paris Hilton video ... thought so ... next please"

funniest thing ive heard in a while

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 8:53 PM (EST)
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"Actually, slag, Tim's voice sounds like a garbeled imitation of all the people his music is imitating... Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, G.B.H., they were all British Oi! or hardcore bands, and you can tell what they're singing without looking at the lyrics. Their voices may have been horse, loud and manic, but they didn't sound like they were regurgitating the contents of a trash can while they sang. American hardcore hasn't, until recently, ever imitated a Joe Strummerish British voice... 77 is probably the period in which you could most easily tell what the singers were saying... Rancid's problems are a lot bigger than Tim's shitty voice, but that is a contributing factor to why they suck. In short, kid: slag off!"

Well at least we both agree that The Clash kick ass... Yes, I agree GBH, Blitz and the Angelic Upstarts have clearer voices, where you don't need to look at the lyric sheet, but there are a lot of other bands in the 80's where you do need to look at the lyric sheet (Broken Bones, Disharge, Skeptix) and I can understand most of Tim's lyrics. I don't care if you have to look up the lyrics either. I really enjoy Tim's fake British-accent and his raspy voice. If his voice was so unbearable, like you've described it, i don't think they would be liked by millions of people. I also think Tim is a genious at song writing. There's something else behind your dislike for Rancid's music. Anyone that has an open mind in music can respect Rancid. They're extremely talented and most people would agree

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-08 20:50:42
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Did I miss the sarcasm, or did BSD just say he's 15?

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 8:09 PM (EST)
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Please take this review off the main page if only to rid us of all the inane commentary on this message board. I officially feel dumber for spending some time reading this crap in the event of actually reading something pertaining to this review.

To the kids arguing,
3:30 at the monkey bars

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 6:54 PM (EST)
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I dare ThriceEqualsGod to tell which Clash songs he's heard and why he doesn't like them...

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 6:17 PM (EST)
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Bayside is a cult

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-08 18:05:06
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youre right. supporting yourself is punk rock.

i dont deny that the clash influenced so much music that we all listen to today, but it just aint my thing. just because it was revolutionary doesn't mean i have to like it, does it?

thank you, the clash, for helping make a lot of good music possible, but... is it okay if i dont listen to you?

and BSD: i honestly dont care what you think, as i know its 100% true that you dont care what i think.. im not sure what purpose this statement serves... but i just felt like... putting it out there.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 5:44 PM (EST)
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Quit trying to change the subject, you idiot. You just made yourself look even dumber. You come off as some trendy sk8rboi who knows jack shit about punk rock, but uses it as an excuse to ramble incoherently over the internet. The Clash punk in the 80s? Fuck off, kid. Learn your shit, then come back to argue about the longevity of the Clash's music. Saying something sucks because of its age is pathetic anyway... Look at Classical music. Some of the most beautiful music ever was created a lot longer ago than the 70s... Does that mean it's useless? Or is it not as fun to ollie to? You obviously haven't got the education or listening experience to say that the Clash suck, and no knowledge of their fans, either. FYI, I'm 15 and using a CPU I bought saving up money from my shitty job for a year.

-BSD

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-08 17:36:39
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Hmm funny ... I don't lift weights ... I skateboard though ... I guess that's kinda the same
I read a book last night ... it was called "Your Mother Is Easy"

The Clash served thier purpose ... now get over it
You're probablly over 30 years old ... sitting in your parents basement jerking off to the Paris Hilton video ... thought so ... next please

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 5:33 PM (EST)
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i will take the clash any freaking day comepared with Rancid.

the clash were increadible any i only wish i would of seen them. but i was only a young kid when they were around.

so you saying people only name drop the clash b/c it is cool to, it that is not true.

Posted by funkisdead on 2003-12-08 17:06:11
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If you do not like the Clash, then so be it.
Nevertheless, you should not underestimate their musicianship, or their style, for that matter. Those guys were fucking punk rock pimps.

They had intelligent lyrics, catchy songs, all set against an experimental musical backdrop. If you can't at least appreciate it, then you just don't know shit about music.

You can't possibly discount their influence on modern rock or pop music. If you try, you will sound stupid.

Maybe some people listen to The Clash to sound "punk rock," but I think that is what the Exploited are for.

Face it kids, lots of bands suck. The Clash are not one of them.

Posted by inagreendase on 2003-12-08 16:44:37
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Whoa, thriceequalsgod got called a scenester. BSD I think you just may have made his day.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 4:31 PM (EST)
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Mikeinflames, read a fucking book. Only idiots like you bash the Clash. Their music is not boring, what is is a bunch of Gen Xers trying to copy their revolutionary sound and failing. Now, you are excused to go listen to what you consider good music while lifting weights at the gym and getting ass pats from all your pals. You bloody cunt rag.

-BSD

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-08 16:10:07
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Wake up people ... The Clash are so fucking 80s
And no one really likes them
People only say they like The Clash to look cool and be more punk rock
Joe Strummer and the Clash did a lot of punk rock ... I'll admit that
But come on ... compaired to anything that's come out in the past 10 years they are boring
So quit trying to be uber cool by saying you love the Clash

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-08 16:08:04
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My band kicks ass and your band sucks
BLAH BLAH BLAH

I don't like Rancid ... but Brand New and Something Corporate both suck ass
Therefore Rancid are okay in my books

Just remember 1 3 always equals 5

This show would have been wicked if the guys in Rancid had gone out on stage and beat up Something Corporate then smashed the singers gay ass piano into pieces

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 4:02 PM (EST)
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"uhh he likes the clash. i guess that means hes punk rock.. right...right???"

ThriceEqualsGod is the epitome of everything that is wrong with scenesters... They listen to their pop rock, I have no problem with that, but they see people who know more about music, and instead of doing the intelligent thing (actually trying to learn), they get intimidated and heckle. I never said I was "punk rock" for liking the Clash. I have said you are definitely an idiot for thinking Thrice are better than the Clash. I think that's a pretty solidified and reasoned opinion that a lot of people would agree off. Now slag off, cunt runt.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 3:58 PM (EST)
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"You're trashing Rancid for the littlest things. His voice is bad? You don't know shit about punk music. If you listened to any of the early years of punk music (UK82, Oi, American Hardcore, 77) you'd see that Tim's voice and Rancid's music is basically the same as those bands. You also said you're a better guitar player than anyone in Rancid - You're not a very intelligent person are you? a little slow in the head to say something so arrogant. People like you need to be shot in the head because you don't contribute anything to Punk Rock or life in general. You're just a jealous little bitch that needs some attention. I'd be interested to know what bands you like and what your awesome band that is 10 times better than Rancid sounds like... Eat a bullet you slag."

Actually, slag, Tim's voice sounds like a garbeled imitation of all the people his music is imitating... Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, G.B.H., they were all British Oi! or hardcore bands, and you can tell what they're singing without looking at the lyrics. Their voices may have been horse, loud and manic, but they didn't sound like they were regurgitating the contents of a trash can while they sang. American hardcore hasn't, until recently, ever imitated a Joe Strummerish British voice... 77 is probably the period in which you could most easily tell what the singers were saying... Rancid's problems are a lot bigger than Tim's shitty voice, but that is a contributing factor to why they suck. In short, kid: slag off!

-BSD

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-08 15:48:36
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Brand New suck balls
They think they are doing Toronto a "favour" by playing there
A good friend of mine chatted with the singer ... Jesse I think his name is
And he told her that they were probablly not going to ever play Toronto again because it's too much of a hassle
What a gearbox
They need to wake up and realize that thier career is over next year when all the little kiddies have hopped onto the next fad

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 12:48 PM (EST)
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okay i have a band name....they are a band where i live and are made up of kids form my school...okay..here it is:

Red Plaid Menace

!!!

isnt that the fucking best name you've ever hears, every time i hear i laugh and cheer! HA!

oh and right next to their name is a picture of a stick figure with liberty spikes and he is holding a martini glass, ahha, fucking gold man, fucking gold....

-DaDrunkSkunk

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 11:05 AM (EST)
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i don't know; we seemed to be enemies - good-natured, sarcastic enemies who were in opposition most of the time.
listening to Find Him And Kill Him. not bad not bad at all.
-Janelle

Posted by Greenvandal on 2003-12-08 09:39:13
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Why do you say that?

*sun grows smaller in sky*

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 9:10 AM (EST)
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Brand New think they are Gods now- what a bunch of tools

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 9:10 AM (EST)
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uh oh!!!! vandal and i in aggreement? The end of the world must be nigh...
-Janelle

Posted by Greenvandal on 2003-12-08 08:44:59
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Yeah, Tim is good.

I bet the BSD impersonator is twat. hes the only one lame enough to study his persona well enough to write comments that actually sound like him.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 8, 2003 at 7:26 AM (EST)
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i like tim's voice in all its garbled glory.
-Janelle

Posted by thriceequalsgod on 2003-12-07 23:24:11
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uhh he likes the clash. i guess that means hes punk rock.. right...right???

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 7, 2003 at 11:12 PM (EST)
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This bsd queer is just as bad as close minded people that hate ALL punk music. You're trashing Rancid for the littlest things. His voice is bad? You don't know shit about punk music. If you listened to any of the early years of punk music (UK82, Oi, American Hardcore, 77) you'd see that Tim's voice and Rancid's music is basically the same as those bands. You also said you're a better guitar player than anyone in Rancid - You're not a very intelligent person are you? a little slow in the head to say something so arrogant. People like you need to be shot in the head because you don't contribute anything to Punk Rock or life in general. You're just a jealous little bitch that needs some attention. I'd be interested to know what bands you like and what your awesome band that is 10 times better than Rancid sounds like... Eat a bullet you slag.

Posted by KingOfRain on 2003-12-07 23:07:39
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Rancid's music is pretty cool. Nothin groundbreaking, but they're ok. The other bands suck.
That's my two cents.

Posted by mikeinflames on 2003-12-07 22:55:35
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I was supposed to go see Brand New tomorrow night ... but I dumped my girlfriend today and gave her the tickets because they are sell outs

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 7, 2003 at 10:44 PM (EST)
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- "It's like fucking Roger Ebert saying a movie sucks. How many screenplays has he written again? Or the fat motherfucker on a Sunday saying what he'd do if he were playing on the field instead of piling hot dogs down his throat."

- "Our vocalist doesn't sound like he's drunk and gargling glass"

hahahahahahahahahahahaha thats some funny shit.

-c22

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 7, 2003 at 10:26 PM (EST)
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its amazing how tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 7, 2003 at 10:23 PM (EST)
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