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Rancid / Brand New / Something Corporate

Rancid / Brand New / Something Corporate: live in Providencelive in Providence (2003)
Hellcat Records

Reviewer Rating: 4


Contributed by: InaGreendaseBrian
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Two words: radio show. Though to most of you it might seem like I chose the lesser of two evils, Story of the Year, Kill Hannah, and Three Days Grace was also on the bill, playing in the Met Café down the block, but I sat put in Lupo's for -- besides obvious reasons -- one if its last shows befo.


Two words: radio show.

Though to most of you it might seem like I chose the lesser of two evils, Story of the Year, Kill Hannah, and Three Days Grace was also on the bill, playing in the Met Café down the block, but I sat put in Lupo's for -- besides obvious reasons -- one if its last shows before it moves to the Strand. The Crystal Method also spun between sets at Lupo's. I remember them remixing "Smells Like Teen Spirit" at one point and also playing some AC/DC.

Compromising Yellowcard's set for Less than Jake's earlier at Warped this year, it ended up working out anyway, being they opened the whole thing, fucking shit up. And by "fucking shit up," I mean breaking strings. Sean (violinist) broke one on the first song, "Breathing," as did one of the guitarists. Except, fixing a violin string isn't exactly a cut-and-paste job in the middle of a set, so Sean finished the rest of the band's set with the remaining three strings. They covered the three of their "better-known" releases well, also playing "Avondale" off the Underdog EP, and both "Sureshot" and "October Nights" off One for the Kids. Ryan had said they just flew in on a twenty-one hour flight from Japan (thus prompting a "give it up for the Asians" salute), but I didn't notice any fatigue. He also announced their repeat stint on next year's Warped Tour [insert editorial piece on the same bands every year here]. They also played the title track off Ocean Avenue, and closed with "Way Away." No backflip thanks to the size of the stage, but still a more than competent set.

You know, I always wanted to experience fifteen-year-old-girl in surround sound, and Something Corporate made that happen! Now, I don't necessarily have any biases against them, nor do I deny enjoying them on CD, because I do, but their style doesn't quite match up with the live show. The singer Andrew's constant yells of "Let's goooo!" or "Alright Rhode Island/Providence, you ready?!" before every chorus is completely unnecessary knowing that the coming chorus only carries an adagio or andante tempo, and not exactly something's that going to brew a vicious circle pit. The guitars were ENTIRELY too low until halfway through when my friend caught the attention of the right-stage guitarist. They opened with "Straw Dog," and also played (not necessarily in this order) "Fall," "I Woke Up in a Car," "Punk Rock Princess" (in Dolby Digital if you get my drift), "Ruthless," "Space," "Down," "Only Ashes," and closed with "Hurricane." I guess I could've saved a paragraph by just saying meh, although watching Andrew treat his piano keys like a treadmill during the closer was sort of cool.

Brand New walked up, and the opening of "Quiet Things That No One Ever Knows" was heard in the air, and "Seventy Times 7" immediately following. With Vinnie spinning in circles, and Jesse doing his "I'm the only person in the room" stares, everything seemed nicely modus operandi for them. Since it was obvious that most of these kinderlach in the crowd were leaving after the set, the emotion in the room was peak. In the post-Your Favorite Weapon era, Jesse is too cool to pretend there's a crowd in front of him and actually INTERACT OR SOMETHING, but his mercurial rising vocals worked admirably as usual. Despite the denial of several requests for "Play Crack the Sky," they split the material from both albums well. The played "Okay I Believe You But My Tommy Gun Don't" and "Jaws Theme Swimming" from Deja Entendu, the latter of which had a dose of psychedelia with its extended bridge. From YFW they played the necessary "Jude Law and a Semester Abroad," and also "Mixtape" and "Soco Amaretto Lime." Bass-driven "Sic Transit Gloria" finished up [insert comment about inserting comment about Abercrombie blah blah blah ] a solid set.

Bye kids! I'm not trying to strengthen sweeping clichés and generalizations, but the average age of the room significantly increased, and the majority gender flip-flopped, as Story of the Year had just begun their set at the Met. Nonetheless, there was still an immense crowd ready for an unexpected hour and a half of Rancid. Once again, I had skipped my opportunity to seem them on Warped due to an energy-draining Suicide Machines set, but seeing Rancid in the club setting would make seeing them for the first time worth it. The band came on along with Tim Armstrong's permanent sneer, and went right into "Ruby Soho," and following, "Roots Radicals," the beginning of what would be a LOT of songs off And Out Come the Wolves. Some of the songs from it included "Time Bomb," "Lock Step & Gone," "Listed M.I.A.," "Journey to East End Bay," "She's Automatic," and "The Way I Feel." They covered every major release of their career though, as "David Courtney," "It's Quite Alright," "Hoover Street," "Red Hot Moon," "Tenderloin," and "Hyena" were played as well. They even played "As Wicked," Lars telling us that it was the first time since 1996 they had played it live. They stayed strong throughout the long set, even as Lars started to slur a bit on one chorus. At one point, everyone but him left the stage, and he played "The Wars End," solo and plugged in. Matt Freeman put a few different notes into his extended bass solo in "Maxwell Murder." Live, "Fall Back Down" loses a bit of its pop glamour which translated well. It was twelve-thirty A.M. when the band left the stage, and there was a non-stop cheer of "Ran-cid! Ran-cid!" that only got louder and faster and literally didn't end for a full two/three minutes until they came back on. Lars said, "This is our longest show [indecipherable finish of sentence as he just started to mumble]." They played two more songs, closing with a classic rendition of "Radio," funny considering it was a station that organized this show. There ain't nothing like Rancid on a...Wednesday morning.

 

 
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KingOfRain (December 12, 2003)

"i like rancid, and i see both of your points. they are staying "true" to old school punk, however i also see the "cheesiness" of rancid. imagine seeing a hip hop group that dressed exactly like run-dmc in 1980 and sounded pretty much the same too but didn't form until 10-12 years later, they would look kind of stupid"

I really hate it when people call punk "old school"...it's a hip hop term, and the middle class americans have already stolen enough words from the hip hop community. "Fo shizzle."

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

you mean to tell me that there is punk rock that isn't on Epitaph?
shit apparently i don't know anything about punk rock and i've wasted the past 10 years of my life

as far as those bands dressing punk it was because they were punks not because it was punk...get it? it was original and personal

and if you want to talk about bands that influenced rancid...there would be no rancid without the clash (or ramones for that matter) who contrary to popular belief were never THAT popular or rich

remember where this started i said rancid was cheesy and contrived...had they formed in 1977 instead of 1992 there little outfits would make a little more sense or had they been from england instead of california their accents might fit them better

as far as the pennywise comparison: i was just trying to show how a band's image can be outshined by their music and i wanted to use a band that was approximately the same era as rancid. bands like pennwyise (and their influences like minor threat, black flag, dead kennedys etc.)proved their so-called "punkness" through their music and ethic, not their skull tattos and haircuts. yes, they play two different kinds of punk, but in the gigantic world of music they are incredibly similar.

if you want to like rancid go ahead and like them...because afterall, its about the music right? i'm just saying the whole idea of "ranicid" is kind of corny. i can guarantee that the guys in the bands your talking about thought rancid was rediculous when they first appeared to the wolrd (on MTV) in the early 90s.

fuck you, i'm done with this shit

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

there we go,

"the ramones and the clash -- they wore leather jackets and jeans because it was rebelious and all they could afford, not because it was "punk""

You're wrong again. Are you saying once they became popular, they stopped wearing leather jackets and jeans? Wrong... You expect people to wear expensive clothes just because they have money? You don't know that much about early punk, do you? Do you know anything about UK82, American Street Punk, or any other 77 Punk bands besides The Clash and The Ramones? They wore leather jackets and shit because it was Punk.

"plenty of bands rock harder than they look...take for example the oh so hated pennywise:"

I'm responding do a 13 year old. Just because a band is faster and harder doesn't mean it's more punk. Pennywise does not play Street-style Punk. They have kind of a skate image, which has nothing to do with old-school roots.

"they've been around longer than ranicd (that's right, A Word from the Wise was released before Energy...which of course was before Rancid)"

What does this have to do with anything?

"they play harder, faster, and angrier music than rancid, they tour more, put out more albums, and are truer to their fans...and they've done it all themselves with little to no radio play and no mtv at all (unlike rancid) but they're up on stage in t-shirts and jeans, looking like they put on teh first thing in the morning unlike rancid who wakes up each morning and spends two hours putting on their $200 doc martins and custom fit leather pants"

Once again, Pennywise doesn't play street-style punk rock. The Undying and Hatebreed play faster, louder and angrier music than both Pennywise and Rancid but if they dressed up as punks, it wouldn't fit their sound. What does touring more and making more albums have to do with being punk? Rancid also makes high quality albums with roughly 19 songs on it. They also have side projects and run Hell-Cat records.

"back to the point: as far as rancid looking and sounding like old school street punks...you're saying that they are completley unoriginal...which goes back to their image being completley contrived"

Yeah they're not very original. Their music and image is influenced by other bands, but are you saying Pennywise is original? haha, when you brought Pennywise into I laughed. Pennywise is played on Much Music and MTV just as much as Rancid. They release singles and make videos. Where do you think those videos go? I always hear their song "Yesterdays" on KROQ. They go onto late night shows to play. Comparing Pennywise to Rancid was a mistake. Of course the only bands you know are probably on Epitaph. Who else would use Pennywise to compare Rancid?

"oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?"

Haha, you're questioning this? Look it up in every detailed Rancid biography. There's always a way to find instruments, they weren't homeless kid.

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

>

You're wrong again. Are you saying once they became popular, they stopped wearing leather jackets and jeans? Wrong... You expect people to wear expensive clothes just because they have money? You don't know that much about early punk, do you? Do you know anything about UK82, American Street Punk, or any other 77 Punk bands besides The Clash and The Ramones? They wore leather jackets and shit because it was Punk.

>

I'm responding do a 13 year old. Just because a band is faster and harder doesn't mean it's more punk. Pennywise does not play Street-style Punk. They have kind of a skate image, which has nothing to do with old-school roots.

>

What does this have to do with anything?

>

Once again, Pennywise doesn't play street-style punk rock. The Undying and Hatebreed play faster, louder and angrier music than both Pennywise and Rancid but if they dressed up as punks, it wouldn't fit their sound. What does touring more and making more albums have to do with being punk? Rancid also makes high quality albums with roughly 19 songs on it. They also have side projects and run Hell-Cat records.

>

Yeah they're not very original. Their music and image is influenced by other bands, but are you saying Pennywise is original? haha, when you brought Pennywise into I laughed. Pennywise is played on Much Music and MTV just as much as Rancid. They release singles and make videos. Where do you think those videos go? I always hear their song "Yesterdays" on KROQ. They go onto late night shows to play. Comparing Pennywise to Rancid was a mistake. Of course the only bands you know are probably on Epitaph. Who else would use Pennywise to compare Rancid?

>

Haha, you're questioning this? Look it up in every detailed Rancid biography. There's always a way to find instruments, they weren't homeless kid.

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

"oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?"

two words for you: PAWN SHOP...right-o.
-Janelle

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

i like rancid, and i see both of your points. they are staying "true" to old school punk, however i also see the "cheesiness" of rancid. imagine seeing a hip hop group that dressed exactly like run-dmc in 1980 and sounded pretty much the same too but didn't form until 10-12 years later, they would look kind of stupid

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

"Yeah you don't know too much about Punk Rock. Rancid plays mostly old school street punk. Most old school (UK82, American Hardcore and 77) punk bands dressed like Punks. Punk Music began with the mohawks, leather, spikes, etc. Rancid is also genuine. They were born and raised in the gutter and grew up on the streets. They worked very hard to get where they're at now.

Rancid's image and lifestyle also fits with their sound too you dumbshit. Good Charlotte's lyrics and sound have nothing to do with their image. Learn about Punk's roots and culture before you make ignorant comments. Fuckin' moron."

your right i know absolutley nothing about punk rock.

the ramones and the clash -- they wore leather jackets and jeans because it was rebelious and all they could afford, not because it was "punk"

plenty of bands rock harder than they look...take for example the oh so hated pennywise:

they've been around longer than ranicd (that's right, A Word from the Wise was released before Energy...which of course was before Rancid)

they play harder, faster, and angrier music than rancid, they tour more, put out more albums, and are truer to their fans...and they've done it all themselves with little to no radio play and no mtv at all (unlike rancid) but they're up on stage in t-shirts and jeans, looking like they put on teh first thing in the morning unlike rancid who wakes up each morning and spends two hours putting on their $200 doc martins and custom fit leather pants

back to the point: as far as rancid looking and sounding like old school street punks...you're saying that they are completley unoriginal...which goes back to their image being completley contrived

oh yeah and when your born and raised on the streets...how do you afford instruments?

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

uhhhh...and as an added disclaimer, when I use these affectionate words (i.e. hun, my dear) it's not meant to be condescending at all. I mean it nicely...I had to say this cos you seem kinda dense.
-J

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

"Hey at least i have an identity. Some people are too pussy to write their own names. And dont bother me with your petty critisism it wont get you any where. If you lived where i do you wouldnt talk shit. Becides it was inspired ny one of my favorite movies of all time. RomperStomper. So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy"."

Ok, first off don't tell ME you have an identity - THIS IS my fucking name. Wow, I didn't think anyone ever thought it was a "screen name". Secondly, I was agreeing with your logic - there was no sarcasm there, hun.
Lastly, I called you "Prepy" cos your name is Prepystomper and I was shortening it. You don't see Funkisdead getting all hot and bothered cos I shorten his name to "Funk" - it's all about the time savers, my dear.
-Janelle

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

"does anybody else feel like rancid is one of the most amazingly cheesy bands out there?

from their name to their tattoos and mohawks to lars and tims' drunk "british" sounding voices to the nihilism clothing company and back to their bondage pants and liberty spikes

they just seem like they're the perfect little punk band...like they spent their formative years perfecting their image

i don't know, i just think they're kind of like good charlotte but 10 years older"

Yeah you don't know too much about Punk Rock. Rancid plays mostly old school street punk. Most old school (UK82, American Hardcore and 77) punk bands dressed like Punks. Punk Music began with the mohawks, leather, spikes, etc. Rancid is also genuine. They were born and raised in the gutter and grew up on the streets. They worked very hard to get where they're at now.

Rancid's image and lifestyle also fits with their sound too you dumbshit. Good Charlotte's lyrics and sound have nothing to do with their image. Learn about Punk's roots and culture before you make ignorant comments. Fuckin' moron.

Anonymous (December 12, 2003)

""Own"?
Let's come up with an original vocabulary kid."

i would, but when i say words like 'frunpy' and 'stupenderiffic' people look at me funny.
all the good words are taken up already.

(im also not a kid, but i say kid to everyone as well so..)

still no comment on how you kids probably attribute these posts to daily conversation. i cant believe these arguments are still going on.

PrepyStomper (December 11, 2003)

First off my screen name is the same as all of my others. Second, it is a modified spelling for to save space. Third, i am in highschool, i plan to graduate, and i have good marks. Screw a GED cause that will get me no where. Jenelle i am sorry for my cutting remark but you pushed a sore spot. I am sure that you are a good person. And you guys just because you know someones name doesnt mean you know them so my "whoever" comment was justified. I do not beat up preppies for no reason. I fight to defend myself. When you live in a town that hates you and what you stand for you dont really have a choice. Oh and another thing, I like RomperStomper because of Russel Crow. And another thing i do have intelligent things to say if you gave me a chance.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

""its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Stupid comment asshole. For one, Rancid has always stood for unity. That has never been abandoned. Secondly, Matt Freeman's image has never changed. Armstrong's hasn't greatly either. He was wearing the same fucking bandanas back in op ivy with a bald head that he does today. Sure, he sported a mohawk for a few years and his clothes may be a bit different now. Do you look the same as you did 14 years ago? Stop wasting your time on the petty shit, just like I'm wasting my time on this post.
Prepy Stomper- How are you able to "recearch" punk when you can't even spell your own fucking screen name? Just curious. I'm glad you like kicking the shit out of preppies. That's very punk and open minded of you. Then again, since your favorite movie is Romper Stomper, I'm sure you kick all kinds of ass. Try kicking more ass in school and getting your GED instead.
The Clash fucking dominate and without them, we wouldn't have a lot of the bands that exist today. There music is just as relevant now as it was back in the 70's. Much respect always to Joe Strummer and Crew.....
Mr. Kenzington "

yeah, that just kicks loads of ass. This score is for Mr. Kenzington.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

does anybody else feel like rancid is one of the most amazingly cheesy bands out there?

from their name to their tattoos and mohawks to lars and tims' drunk "british" sounding voices to the nihilism clothing company and back to their bondage pants and liberty spikes

they just seem like they're the perfect little punk band...like they spent their formative years perfecting their image

i don't know, i just think they're kind of like good charlotte but 10 years older

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

"its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Hey goober, you already posted that message a few days earlier. You're not cool...

funkisdead (December 11, 2003)

mr. kenzington is right, despite all his bsd hating.
you don't just show up on a site and start talking shit to the fucking community.
especially when you have nothing intelligent to say.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

"So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy". "

Uhh, her name is probably Janelle idiot.
I know that must seem like a mysterious alias to you, since your real identity is "prepy stomper".
Mr. Kenzington

funkisdead (December 11, 2003)

Prepy is on my bad list.
Fuck you, Prepy.
Janelle stays.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

I go on a spelling rant and mispell "their". Oh well.
Kenzington

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

"its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes"

Stupid comment asshole. For one, Rancid has always stood for unity. That has never been abandoned. Secondly, Matt Freeman's image has never changed. Armstrong's hasn't greatly either. He was wearing the same fucking bandanas back in op ivy with a bald head that he does today. Sure, he sported a mohawk for a few years and his clothes may be a bit different now. Do you look the same as you did 14 years ago? Stop wasting your time on the petty shit, just like I'm wasting my time on this post.
Prepy Stomper- How are you able to "recearch" punk when you can't even spell your own fucking screen name? Just curious. I'm glad you like kicking the shit out of preppies. That's very punk and open minded of you. Then again, since your favorite movie is Romper Stomper, I'm sure you kick all kinds of ass. Try kicking more ass in school and getting your GED instead.
The Clash fucking dominate and without them, we wouldn't have a lot of the bands that exist today. There music is just as relevant now as it was back in the 70's. Much respect always to Joe Strummer and Crew.....
Mr. Kenzington

PrepyStomper (December 11, 2003)

BSD, i am really not that much older than you. Try 17. But i do my recearch. and guess what else is really funny. I am a "she". Didnt think so huh? Well i am and i am no ones heir. But its nice to have someone on your side right? and for the rest of you, stop fighting over technicalities. ( if i spelled it right)

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

Stomper is like my heir, except he's probably much older than me. Go easy on J, the old school fans here are so few and far between that I don't think we can afford to split up.

-BSD

PrepyStomper (December 11, 2003)

"i like your logic, prepy, but the name...well, it could use some work."
-Janelle

Hey at least i have an identity. Some people are too pussy to write their own names. And dont bother me with your petty critisism it wont get you any where. If you lived where i do you wouldnt talk shit. Becides it was inspired ny one of my favorite movies of all time. RomperStomper. So whoever you are "Janelle", you have no room to talk. Oh yeah and dont call me "prepy".

funkisdead (December 11, 2003)

rites of spring = golden...
i wasnt jumping to conclusions, necessarily, just making conversation.

janelle isn't really all about the benjamins.
she's actually punk as fuck.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

i'm all about the benjamins, funk.
-Janelle

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

"you shit talk emo, but some of the earliest emo is fucking great. the lyrics were intelligent, and the bands could really play the fuck out of their instruments. it was fresh, when it first came out, and i think that the "emo" classification has been stretched to this new shit punk, to make it easier on the marketing guys at major record labels."

That isn't even emo, that's post-hardcore, and I love it. The Rites of Spring comp. CD is awesome, one of my faves. So don't rush to judgement.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

its amazing how fast tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes

funkisdead (December 11, 2003)

also, the new kids are all about the benjamins.

funkisdead (December 11, 2003)

bsd- you shit talk emo, but some of the earliest emo is fucking great. the lyrics were intelligent, and the bands could really play the fuck out of their instruments. it was fresh, when it first came out, and i think that the "emo" classification has been stretched to this new shit punk, to make it easier on the marketing guys at major record labels.
no one had ever sounded like cap'n jazz before, and they didnt give a fuck about the public's response... they just rocked. the emo pioneers had ethics, and it is unfortunate that they are lumped in with this new wave of bullshit pop.
i would say that the new "emo" is exactly what the old emo was rebelling against... the earlier bands tried to write intelligently, and they didn't give a fuck about commercial appeal. the new kids write like fucking morons, and they can't play their instruments for shit.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

I guess listening to Rancid is better than a ton of those other pop punk bands... But not as good as liking real bands that have contributed to music.

-BSD

KingOfRain (December 11, 2003)

Wrong. To say Rancid > The Clash, The Ramones, or numerous other great punk bands is just wrong. I give them that they're a credible punk act, but they are FAR from being the best ever. You're just way off there mate.

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

Rancid is definitly the best Punk band to date. No questions about it. 9 classic albums (which include Op Ivy, The Bastards and Transplants) No one can beat that. They're musical geniouses and that's why they get so much publicity.

Rancid was both Joe Strummer's and Joey Ramone's favourite new punk band and if my opinion doesn't matter, obviously there's will.

Long live Rancid

Anonymous (December 11, 2003)

i like your logic, prepy, but the name...well, it could use some work.
-Janelle

PrepyStomper (December 11, 2003)

BSD i am on your side. It doesnt matter what the others say cause they havn't done the research. And guys age has nothing to do with the spirit of the music. All that matters is getting facts straight and giving creadit where creadit is due. Who cares what band you like as long as you represent what we have all worked so hard to creat. every punk rocker out there has contributed to the movement. even thought some have done more, like the clash. you know if it wasnt for them and other "old" bands like them the music you listen to today would be going in a totally different direction. so shut the hell up.

KingOfRain (December 10, 2003)

Why can't we listen to The Clash anymore? Cos they're old? Why can't we listen to them cos they're good? Music doesn't hafto be new to be listenable.

BSD - You're right about the "devolving". And for a 15 yo you're pretty knowledgeable so I can't bash that.

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

bsd = just another arrogant kid that sucks at life and looks like a fool when he talks about music. You look ridiculous kid and you continue to show your stupidity more and more everytime you post a message

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

"Hey BSD-
If you're only 15, shouldn't you be in school today? Or, did you skip class so that you're band (that's better than Rancid)could practice? Nah, that's not it, cause you've been on the internet all day long talking shit. You should be practicing.... for your driver's permit that is. We're still waiting for you to post you're MP3s so that we can be impressed. Are you a latchkey kid? You seem very angry."

Oh shut the hell up with your quasi sarcastic mental analysis. I live in KC. We got hit with a snow storm, so we got out of school.

To all who try to bash the Clash: You look dumber with every comment.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

just fuckin get over it...
best,
Janelle

mikeinflames (December 10, 2003)

I am thinking for myself
And that's why I can sit here and say The Clash are played out
The served thier purpose ... that's nice ... move on

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

Hey BSD-
If you're only 15, shouldn't you be in school today? Or, did you skip class so that you're band (that's better than Rancid)could practice? Nah, that's not it, cause you've been on the internet all day long talking shit. You should be practicing.... for your driver's permit that is. We're still waiting for you to post you're MP3s so that we can be impressed. Are you a latchkey kid? You seem very angry.
Dango

thriceequalsgod (December 10, 2003)

i really dont worship thrice... at all.. i used to think they had the greatest musicianship about 9 months ago, but i listen to a lot more now, i just dont feel like changing my username because people already know me and stuff.

BSd, shut the hell up. You suck.

aww shit, now i look like an idiot.

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

Oh I'm sorry I don't live up to the writing criteria of someone who worships Thrice. Fuck off you dick that won't get up.

-BSD

thriceequalsgod (December 10, 2003)

ex:

"mikeinflames, shut the hell up. You suck."

thriceequalsgod (December 10, 2003)

BSD.. i like how you gain some credibility, but then go ahead and say something really fucking dumb and just ruin it for yourself. even if the idea isn't dumb, just the way you say it...

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

"No what I've been trying to say all along is that The Clash were great for thier time
They did a lot for punk rock and that's great
But you can't stay stuck in the past
There are so many good bands out there that people don't give a chance because either (a) they don't soud like The Clash or (b) they sound too much like The Clash"

What the fuck are you talking about? People who defend good music are stuck in the past? The bottom line is that you fucked with the Clash, I told you how your description of them was way off and now you're saying you respect them, but they aren't any good. I like a lot of bands who sound nothing like the Clash... Maybe you should get out of your bull shit mindset and learn to think for yourself instead of making ill informed opinions. Same goes for Thriceequalsgod.

-BSD

mikeinflames (December 10, 2003)

No what I've been trying to say all along is that The Clash were great for thier time
They did a lot for punk rock and that's great
But you can't stay stuck in the past
There are so many good bands out there that people don't give a chance because either (a) they don't soud like The Clash or (b) they sound too much like The Clash
It's pretty silly if you ask me

Anonymous (December 10, 2003)

Mikeinflames now realizes how dumb he sounded and is trying to make it look like I was saying that every punk band should sound like the Clash. And yeah, punk didn't evolve, it devolved (hardcore, oi, grind, thrash, crust). Music would be boring if there were a hundred Clash clones. That there are, though, and they're the least boring of the new wave of punk. At least some are pretty fun live. Emo, hardcore metal, etc... That crap's just as boring as what the Clash rebelled against.

-BSD

joeg (December 10, 2003)

i don't think its wrong to not like the clash. i don't think anybody here is saying that. but i think you should respect them for how groundbreaking they were, even if you don't like them. i like the clash, but there are some clash songs i don't dig. but i got a hell of a lot of respect for them. i think mikeinflames was trying to say that but it just came out wrong.

PrepyStomper (December 10, 2003)

Hey i have to give a "hell yeah!!" to all those Clash fans out there. And for all you people with shit for brains, read PUNK:THE ILLUSTRATED HISTORY OF A MUSIC REVOLUTION. maybe then you will have a clue. if your gonna talk shit get your facts straight at least.
-Cay

KingOfRain (December 9, 2003)

Actually I think the music scene now is pretty damn boring. Way too muc post-harcore and emo.

If you consider The Clash boring then somehow you're missing the point. When you say "I'm glad every band doesn't sound like The Clash" you obviously don't know how many bands today have drawn inspirationally and musically from Joe Strummer and The Clash.

Besides, there have been bands who've tried to imitate them but never done it that well. The Clash were unique, something that's worth a lot in the punk rock world.

mikeinflames (December 9, 2003)

The Clash were good for thier time
But music has evolved (which is a good thing)
How fucking boring would punk rock be if every band sounded like The Clash
Pretty boring I must admit

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

"Did I miss the sarcasm, or did BSD just say he's 15?"

No sarcasm to miss.

Thriceequalsgod, either listen to the Clash's first 3 albums or go through life sounding like an idiot when it comes to music. Same goes for the dumbass who said "Jawbreaker rules!" what a fucking dumbass...

mikeinflames, shut the hell up. You suck.

About technical skill: I find no problem with simple guitars. I like a lot of bands with simpler guitar parts, but none that are as derivative or overriden by the bass as Rancid.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

"mikeinflames, it is time for your nap.
and here ya go, here is your booster seat. and Let me put that bib on you before you eat. I'll even do the airplane trick with your food."
Ha! Love it.

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

You know what I find hilarious? This guys BSD claims Rancid's guitar work is elementary. Which, it may be.

But apparently he must not listen to punk rock, because if Rancid's guitar work is "5th grade", then most of the guitar work in punk is 1st or 2nd grade.

That's what makes punk so great. You don't need to be some skilled musician to play the music and make good tunes.

This score is for Rancid.

Mr_Pink (December 9, 2003)

The Clash put out two 100% bulletproof classic albums. That alone secures their place in the history books. Not everything they touched turned to gold, though, and it's not spitting on their legacy to say so. I personally can't get into the more disco-ish stuff like Magnificent Seven and Radio Clash, and Rock the Casbah got so overplayed on the radio and MTV back then that I still can't enjoy it. Kids who flat-out disrespect this band and others like them without acknowledging their importance are only trying to be outrageous for attention's sake. Ignore it. On the other hand, claiming that the ONLY good music came out of the 77 era (and I LOVE 70s punk) is about the same as a Deadhead crying about how much music has gone downhill since the Summer of Love. It's especially ridiculous coming from a bunch of teenagers. Quit trying to turn yourselves into the new hippies.

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

mikeinflames, it is time for your nap.
and here ya go, here is your booster seat. and Let me put that bib on you before you eat. I'll even do the airplane trick with your food.

You little punk kid. Brat.

The Clash rule. Rancid can't even carry their jock strap.

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

"Own"?
Let's come up with an original vocabulary kid.

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

dead milkmen own you

what gets me, is that some of you probably talk about this commentary in your everyday lives...

funkisdead (December 9, 2003)

i'm surprised that no one has taken the time to comment on how groundbreaking the clash were...

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

we already knew that JOEG. You don't have to recycle the same shit, got it?

joeg (December 9, 2003)

i don't think its wrong to not like the clash. i don't think anybody here is saying that. but i think you should respect them for how groundbreaking they were, even if you don't like them. i like the clash, but there are some clash songs i don't dig. but i got a hell of a lot of respect for them. i think mikeinflames was trying to say that but it just came out wrong.

Anonymous (December 9, 2003)

The Clash boring? Hell no. You don't need to like them, but to call them boring?

BLASHPHEMY! Leave this site.

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

I don't like the Clash because I find them boring as hell. Is that so bad? To find an influential band boring? It's not my fault, their sound just doesn't appeal to me.

Long live Jawbreaker!

KingOfRain (December 8, 2003)

Seriously wtf is wrong with your head? London Calling is one of the best albums of all time. Groundbreaking shit.

What has Thrice done that's so original? Steal metalcore riffs? Scream? Throw me a friggin' bone here.

thriceequalsgod (December 8, 2003)

honestly, i dont really remember which songs i heard. i think i listened to clips from all the songs on london calling and didn't like any of them. my tastes have changed so if me giving the album a second listen (in full) is neccessary, then sure.

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

"You're probablly over 30 years old ... sitting in your parents basement jerking off to the Paris Hilton video ... thought so ... next please"

funniest thing ive heard in a while

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

"Actually, slag, Tim's voice sounds like a garbeled imitation of all the people his music is imitating... Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, G.B.H., they were all British Oi! or hardcore bands, and you can tell what they're singing without looking at the lyrics. Their voices may have been horse, loud and manic, but they didn't sound like they were regurgitating the contents of a trash can while they sang. American hardcore hasn't, until recently, ever imitated a Joe Strummerish British voice... 77 is probably the period in which you could most easily tell what the singers were saying... Rancid's problems are a lot bigger than Tim's shitty voice, but that is a contributing factor to why they suck. In short, kid: slag off!"

Well at least we both agree that The Clash kick ass... Yes, I agree GBH, Blitz and the Angelic Upstarts have clearer voices, where you don't need to look at the lyric sheet, but there are a lot of other bands in the 80's where you do need to look at the lyric sheet (Broken Bones, Disharge, Skeptix) and I can understand most of Tim's lyrics. I don't care if you have to look up the lyrics either. I really enjoy Tim's fake British-accent and his raspy voice. If his voice was so unbearable, like you've described it, i don't think they would be liked by millions of people. I also think Tim is a genious at song writing. There's something else behind your dislike for Rancid's music. Anyone that has an open mind in music can respect Rancid. They're extremely talented and most people would agree

funkisdead (December 8, 2003)

Did I miss the sarcasm, or did BSD just say he's 15?

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

Please take this review off the main page if only to rid us of all the inane commentary on this message board. I officially feel dumber for spending some time reading this crap in the event of actually reading something pertaining to this review.

To the kids arguing,
3:30 at the monkey bars

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

I dare ThriceEqualsGod to tell which Clash songs he's heard and why he doesn't like them...

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

Bayside is a cult

thriceequalsgod (December 8, 2003)

youre right. supporting yourself is punk rock.

i dont deny that the clash influenced so much music that we all listen to today, but it just aint my thing. just because it was revolutionary doesn't mean i have to like it, does it?

thank you, the clash, for helping make a lot of good music possible, but... is it okay if i dont listen to you?

and BSD: i honestly dont care what you think, as i know its 100% true that you dont care what i think.. im not sure what purpose this statement serves... but i just felt like... putting it out there.

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

Quit trying to change the subject, you idiot. You just made yourself look even dumber. You come off as some trendy sk8rboi who knows jack shit about punk rock, but uses it as an excuse to ramble incoherently over the internet. The Clash punk in the 80s? Fuck off, kid. Learn your shit, then come back to argue about the longevity of the Clash's music. Saying something sucks because of its age is pathetic anyway... Look at Classical music. Some of the most beautiful music ever was created a lot longer ago than the 70s... Does that mean it's useless? Or is it not as fun to ollie to? You obviously haven't got the education or listening experience to say that the Clash suck, and no knowledge of their fans, either. FYI, I'm 15 and using a CPU I bought saving up money from my shitty job for a year.

-BSD

mikeinflames (December 8, 2003)

Hmm funny ... I don't lift weights ... I skateboard though ... I guess that's kinda the same
I read a book last night ... it was called "Your Mother Is Easy"

The Clash served thier purpose ... now get over it
You're probablly over 30 years old ... sitting in your parents basement jerking off to the Paris Hilton video ... thought so ... next please

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

i will take the clash any freaking day comepared with Rancid.

the clash were increadible any i only wish i would of seen them. but i was only a young kid when they were around.

so you saying people only name drop the clash b/c it is cool to, it that is not true.

funkisdead (December 8, 2003)

If you do not like the Clash, then so be it.
Nevertheless, you should not underestimate their musicianship, or their style, for that matter. Those guys were fucking punk rock pimps.

They had intelligent lyrics, catchy songs, all set against an experimental musical backdrop. If you can't at least appreciate it, then you just don't know shit about music.

You can't possibly discount their influence on modern rock or pop music. If you try, you will sound stupid.

Maybe some people listen to The Clash to sound "punk rock," but I think that is what the Exploited are for.

Face it kids, lots of bands suck. The Clash are not one of them.

inagreendase (December 8, 2003)

Whoa, thriceequalsgod got called a scenester. BSD I think you just may have made his day.

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

Mikeinflames, read a fucking book. Only idiots like you bash the Clash. Their music is not boring, what is is a bunch of Gen Xers trying to copy their revolutionary sound and failing. Now, you are excused to go listen to what you consider good music while lifting weights at the gym and getting ass pats from all your pals. You bloody cunt rag.

-BSD

mikeinflames (December 8, 2003)

Wake up people ... The Clash are so fucking 80s
And no one really likes them
People only say they like The Clash to look cool and be more punk rock
Joe Strummer and the Clash did a lot of punk rock ... I'll admit that
But come on ... compaired to anything that's come out in the past 10 years they are boring
So quit trying to be uber cool by saying you love the Clash

mikeinflames (December 8, 2003)

My band kicks ass and your band sucks
BLAH BLAH BLAH

I don't like Rancid ... but Brand New and Something Corporate both suck ass
Therefore Rancid are okay in my books

Just remember 1 3 always equals 5

This show would have been wicked if the guys in Rancid had gone out on stage and beat up Something Corporate then smashed the singers gay ass piano into pieces

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

"uhh he likes the clash. i guess that means hes punk rock.. right...right???"

ThriceEqualsGod is the epitome of everything that is wrong with scenesters... They listen to their pop rock, I have no problem with that, but they see people who know more about music, and instead of doing the intelligent thing (actually trying to learn), they get intimidated and heckle. I never said I was "punk rock" for liking the Clash. I have said you are definitely an idiot for thinking Thrice are better than the Clash. I think that's a pretty solidified and reasoned opinion that a lot of people would agree off. Now slag off, cunt runt.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

"You're trashing Rancid for the littlest things. His voice is bad? You don't know shit about punk music. If you listened to any of the early years of punk music (UK82, Oi, American Hardcore, 77) you'd see that Tim's voice and Rancid's music is basically the same as those bands. You also said you're a better guitar player than anyone in Rancid - You're not a very intelligent person are you? a little slow in the head to say something so arrogant. People like you need to be shot in the head because you don't contribute anything to Punk Rock or life in general. You're just a jealous little bitch that needs some attention. I'd be interested to know what bands you like and what your awesome band that is 10 times better than Rancid sounds like... Eat a bullet you slag."

Actually, slag, Tim's voice sounds like a garbeled imitation of all the people his music is imitating... Angelic Upstarts, Blitz, G.B.H., they were all British Oi! or hardcore bands, and you can tell what they're singing without looking at the lyrics. Their voices may have been horse, loud and manic, but they didn't sound like they were regurgitating the contents of a trash can while they sang. American hardcore hasn't, until recently, ever imitated a Joe Strummerish British voice... 77 is probably the period in which you could most easily tell what the singers were saying... Rancid's problems are a lot bigger than Tim's shitty voice, but that is a contributing factor to why they suck. In short, kid: slag off!

-BSD

mikeinflames (December 8, 2003)

Brand New suck balls
They think they are doing Toronto a "favour" by playing there
A good friend of mine chatted with the singer ... Jesse I think his name is
And he told her that they were probablly not going to ever play Toronto again because it's too much of a hassle
What a gearbox
They need to wake up and realize that thier career is over next year when all the little kiddies have hopped onto the next fad

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

okay i have a band name....they are a band where i live and are made up of kids form my school...okay..here it is:

Red Plaid Menace

!!!

isnt that the fucking best name you've ever hears, every time i hear i laugh and cheer! HA!

oh and right next to their name is a picture of a stick figure with liberty spikes and he is holding a martini glass, ahha, fucking gold man, fucking gold....

-DaDrunkSkunk

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

i don't know; we seemed to be enemies - good-natured, sarcastic enemies who were in opposition most of the time.
listening to Find Him And Kill Him. not bad not bad at all.
-Janelle

Greenvandal (December 8, 2003)

Why do you say that?

*sun grows smaller in sky*

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

Brand New think they are Gods now- what a bunch of tools

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

uh oh!!!! vandal and i in aggreement? The end of the world must be nigh...
-Janelle

Greenvandal (December 8, 2003)

Yeah, Tim is good.

I bet the BSD impersonator is twat. hes the only one lame enough to study his persona well enough to write comments that actually sound like him.

Anonymous (December 8, 2003)

i like tim's voice in all its garbled glory.
-Janelle

thriceequalsgod (December 7, 2003)

uhh he likes the clash. i guess that means hes punk rock.. right...right???

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

This bsd queer is just as bad as close minded people that hate ALL punk music. You're trashing Rancid for the littlest things. His voice is bad? You don't know shit about punk music. If you listened to any of the early years of punk music (UK82, Oi, American Hardcore, 77) you'd see that Tim's voice and Rancid's music is basically the same as those bands. You also said you're a better guitar player than anyone in Rancid - You're not a very intelligent person are you? a little slow in the head to say something so arrogant. People like you need to be shot in the head because you don't contribute anything to Punk Rock or life in general. You're just a jealous little bitch that needs some attention. I'd be interested to know what bands you like and what your awesome band that is 10 times better than Rancid sounds like... Eat a bullet you slag.

KingOfRain (December 7, 2003)

Rancid's music is pretty cool. Nothin groundbreaking, but they're ok. The other bands suck.
That's my two cents.

mikeinflames (December 7, 2003)

I was supposed to go see Brand New tomorrow night ... but I dumped my girlfriend today and gave her the tickets because they are sell outs

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

- "It's like fucking Roger Ebert saying a movie sucks. How many screenplays has he written again? Or the fat motherfucker on a Sunday saying what he'd do if he were playing on the field instead of piling hot dogs down his throat."

- "Our vocalist doesn't sound like he's drunk and gargling glass"

hahahahahahahahahahahaha thats some funny shit.

-c22

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

its amazing how tim and matt betrayed op. ivy's vision of unity and positive change for nihlism and liberty spikes

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

1. janelle you rock
2. bsd vs idiots-bsd wins by a tko in round 10

-cuz

funkisdead (December 7, 2003)

wow, this is some fucked up shit.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

"My guitar player doesnt know how to play anything, hes self taught. So all he does is finger pick and make up chords...and it comes out sounding like a wacky ass solo. its good stuff, i will have mp3's at some point cuz the acoustic guitar playin man has a digital recorder."

Oddly enough, I play guitar too, but only made the initial comment about not liking the bass playing and the comment about the show rules... Other than that, it's been impostersville, baby. By the way, I'm registered at RN as GrievouslyHarmed.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

"Goddammit. my openmindedness always gets mistaken for emoness. Oh well I soldier on!"

I didn't mean YOU per se!
-Janelle

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

Sounds like a shitty show....I used to be a big Rancid fan and I still like them.....but I saw them live at Warped 2001 and they didnt perform that well...it wasn't bad...but kind of tame....maybe thats just due to warpeds shitty atmosphere. I DO think its lame that Tim is writing for Pink and that he gave away any dignity the Transplants had left by letting the beat be used in a commerical for hair products (and yes it is very common in the US as well).....not to mentions that their record was the most robotic, fake record made for the "punk" community in years...I mean hell, they loop the same drum sound over and over again. But, even as that is, Rancid have made some excellent songs in their time and deserve some credit. I really liked Rancid 2000 and I like their poppier stuff too.....I just wish they would try to keep their dignity a bit.

Greenvandal (December 7, 2003)

Okay Janelle, im on the "bored" on your site of reccomendation. Lets see how long it takes for everyone to hate me...

Greenvandal (December 7, 2003)

Goddammit. my openmindedness always gets mistaken for emoness. Oh well I soldier on!

Im sensing that the BSD imposter was present here from all these odd comments.

My guitar player doesnt know how to play anything, hes self taught. So all he does is finger pick and make up chords...and it comes out sounding like a wacky ass solo. its good stuff, i will have mp3's at some point cuz the acoustic guitar playin man has a digital recorder.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

"I have come to the conclusion that this website REALLY REALLY does need a message board. Seriously guys. Dont even worry about moderators on it, just let us wild like we are on the bottom of every fucking review."

Vandal go here: www.rebelnoise.com
and click on the Message Bored tab. Let's do this up.
-Janelle
warning: there are many old punks there. watch your back you whiney emo kiddies.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

First order of the gig is it's called "Everyone Crappier than Everyone Else (Except Rancid)". Like Motorhead, but better.

Second order is that my band shall cover four ranic songs, I don't remember saying my band was better than them.

Third is that if we ever get a message board, there would have to be a section called "Un PC" where you could use the N word and the likes. Thanks.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

Im a kid in high school who sits around playing pentonic scales and bashing punk bands to...lets start a band together

funkisdead (December 7, 2003)

So its decided.

BSD's band and Greenvandal's band will play the 9:30 Club this Saturday. At 9:30.

Penile comparison will determine who opens and who closes.

Pat41, WussEmoRock, and Kevin11 will judge their performances.

that is all.

Greenvandal (December 7, 2003)

I have come to the conclusion that this website REALLY REALLY does need a message board. Seriously guys. Dont even worry about moderators on it, just let us wild like we are on the bottom of every fucking review. that way I dont gotta search through every damn review to see which conversation I want to finish...

I started my new band the other day. We are called The Dick Clark 5. Nifty huh?

Greenvandal (December 7, 2003)

Did anyone notice BSD's sales pitch? I know I did.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

All music sucks. Smoke weed.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

bsd = full of shit

he doesen't even have any band.

-someone who knows him

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

like their music or not...you have to realize that rancid never did anything original at all, and they were not pioneers in any sense of the word

in regards to their look, don't let the mohawks, tattoos and bondage pants fool you, that look is completly contrived (like good charlotte)...just look at tim and matt when they were in op. ivy to see how they "transformed" into rancid

oh yeah and bsd's band is better than ranic

-not bsd

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

"this BSD guy is just going through a confusing and mixed up phase in his teenage life. It's a little far-fetched for someone to seriously say their little no name band is better than Rancid but just look: Having this much confidence in a band can be kind of a good thing - obviously this kid grew up without motivation from his parents or peers (possibly bullied on), and by having this much confidence towards the one thing he loves, it will act as an equilibrium in his life. He has something to look forward to and he can live a joyful life. He'll no longer have to think about Jimbo beating him up again or his Dad calling him a failure. His band is what gets him through life and we should continue to let him think his band is 10 times better than Rancid. - Don't worry BSD, I know what I'm talking about. I've studied similar situations such as yours before. Peace"

Hahahahahahhahahahaha. You guys are funny as fuck. I'm not going to try to clear up this totally false assumption that I'm some hated abused child, it's actually quite entertaining to watch people throw up five dollar words in hopes they come back down as insults.

Here's why my band is better than Rancid:

1)Our vocalist doesn't sound like he's drunk and gargling glass

2)Our songs aren't fifth grade Clas rip offs.

3)Our bassist doesn't sound like a bored funk sessionist.

4)I can play guitar better than any one member of Rancid.

Keep it comin' suckers! Thanks.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

I dunno, I thought BSD initially came up with a valid reason why he didn't like Rancid's music. Sometimes he bashes just for the sake of bashing, but I see how the overly bass reliant sound might make someone who likes a more classic 77-81? punk sound dislike Rancid. Anyway, I like them, but then again, I play bass (and Matt Freeman is a fucking bass god). Oh yeah, fuck those other two bands.

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

You were interested in seeing Linkin' Park and 311?!

Unreal...

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

i wish hot hot heat played NYCs radio show, we got shitted on krock did us bad, blink 311 linkin park and bn the first night and staind pod offspring chevelle and puddle of mudd the second night. the first night sounded good to me with the exception of blink but then the ticket prices came out, $90 plus service charge, WTF!!!

Anonymous (December 7, 2003)

this BSD guy is just going through a confusing and mixed up phase in his teenage life. It's a little far-fetched for someone to seriously say their little no name band is better than Rancid but just look: Having this much confidence in a band can be kind of a good thing - obviously this kid grew up without motivation from his parents or peers (possibly bullied on), and by having this much confidence towards the one thing he loves, it will act as an equilibrium in his life. He has something to look forward to and he can live a joyful life. He'll no longer have to think about Jimbo beating him up again or his Dad calling him a failure. His band is what gets him through life and we should continue to let him think his band is 10 times better than Rancid. - Don't worry BSD, I know what I'm talking about. I've studied similar situations such as yours before. Peace

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Sorry, I forgot a comma on the "it's" down there.

Wow, this comma has the same dimensions as one of your pubes, Bashfully Small Dick!

-dickboi

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

hey BSD, my band is 1000 times better than your band who happens to be 100 times better than Rancid!!

Take that, rock star!

Oh and you won't be able to tell if i'm full of shit like you unless you send me money to hear it...

See! Anyone can do that. Eat a dick.
Marcö's

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Hey, I just found out what BSD stand for: Bashfully Small Dick!

THanks for telling me, BSD!

-dickboi
(each star represents an inch of your dick when its erect)

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Hey BSD, my dick is way bigger and thicker than yours!

-dickboi
(each star represents an inch of your dick)

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Concerning our "direction", one of our songs is called "Refused is a Fucking Hoax". Yep. You guessed it. Music for smart people (anyone who likes Refused sucks).

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"Are you playing anywhere soon? Maybe a big tour coming up sometime in the near future? Or do you keep it underground cause you probably wouldn't want mainstream exposure. Saying your band is better than Rancid is laughable. Please prove me wrong. Fuck you.
Mr. Kenzington"

You're such a fucking fake... So what if I don't want a million little girls pretending in malls across America that they like me so I can get more money? If you ever noticed, I critiqued the music, not their stance with major labels. I'm not sure what's up your ass. Are we not allowed to find music unenjoyable unless we make music ourselves? In any case, my band could never sell out if we tried for years because our sound is too dangerous, and, frankly, we're all too ugly to be on the covers of whatever "hip" magazines can brainwash people into buying music. So IM me if you want to order a CD. First one who IMs me gets a free one. Then again, with you fags, you can't be good unless you're lucky enough to go into a big budget 32-track recording studio.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

I like how you all assume we have music on the internet. FYI, if you want to hear it, you have to send me money for a CD. And yeah, we're definitely like 100 times better than this band. So if you really are interested, IM me.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

to BSD:

I REQUEST a link to an mp3 of your band.

we'll see if you can back your shit up..

I personally would expose my music to everyone if I thought my band was better than Rancid.

Prove it!

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Hey BSD-
I could use a good laugh. Please post a link to your band's music so I can hear how much you fucking suck. Happy holidays.
Dango

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

love them or hate them.. everyone is entitled to their own opinion. but arguing over what band is better and why and who sold out and why and why not is low to say the least. if you like someone's music, great. enjoy it. appreciate what the music does for you. everyone is always bashing younger fans and their childish taste and behavior or because they like a band now and it makes some veteran fans feel not punk or just old, while almost every message board is littered with "mature, grown up" fans bickering like little kids over what is considered mid or early ninties or saying my band is better than this band. i admit that shows are losing a little flair when you feel like you're the oldest person there. when i scroll throw, seeing those random non-sense comments that have nothing to do with the topic is at least a change of the monotonous bickering. i guess this falls into that category. sorry if i wasted your time because it wasn't supporting or bashing rancid or soco or brand new for that manner. just using this to express my opinion just like everybody else.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

No, we don't all need to make music to critique it. However, would my criticism be more valid if I did? Maybe. Everyone is a fucking critic, but seldom are any good at what they are critiquing. It's like fucking Roger Ebert saying a movie sucks. How many screenplays has he written again? Or the fat motherfucker on a Sunday saying what he'd do if he were playing on the field instead of piling hot dogs down his throat. There are plenty of bands that I don't like and that I openly criticize. However, when it all comes down to it, they're in a band and I'm not, so how much shit can I really talk? Sure, I have a right to criticize them and I often do. But the fact remains that they're up there and I'm not. Fortunately, none of the above applies to you. You're in a band so I guess you know what it's like and have a pretty good perspective on things. In fact, you said it yourself: Your band is much better than Rancid. What's your band's name dude? I'd love to hear some of your shit or check out one of your shows. Are you playing anywhere soon? Maybe a big tour coming up sometime in the near future? Or do you keep it underground cause you probably wouldn't want mainstream exposure. Saying your band is better than Rancid is laughable. Please prove me wrong. Fuck you.
Mr. Kenzington

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

IM me at SS Kommando Will and we can talk.

-BSD

thriceequalsgod (December 6, 2003)

hey BSD, your band is better? lets hear it. im all ears. im willing to bet im not the only one, either.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"To BSD: Since, in your opinion, Rancid's music is so flawed by weak guitar work and too much bass, I'd love to hear some of your music. You seem to be quite the expert and I'm sure it's better than anything Rancid has done. You should enlighten the rest of us on the site. That's my rant for today. Now is where you tell me to fuck off, I tell you to fuck off, and we agree to disagree. See you at the next Rancid show.
Mr. Kenzington"

That's such a laughable statement... It's a listeners job to listen to the music, not make it. And my band is mucho better than Rancid, no doubt about it. Fuck you. I'm sure there are bands you don't like, and if you were to state it, I don't think the response would be "Make a better song!"... So now we all have to create music in order to critisize it?

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Rancid has brought along Tiger Army, Roger Miret & The Disasters and The Horrorpops for their current tour. Those bands aren't shitty mainstream artists. I feel like I'm explaining this to a bunch of bratty 10 year olds who like to talk trash... anyways, just b/c they do a radio show does not mean they're out promoting shitty mainstream bands. You think Rancid is out promoting Brand New and S.Corporate because they do the same radio show in Providence??? Fuck, don't be so paranoid and try getting a life

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Mr. Kenzington, I enjoyed every single word of your post. Thanx alot!

I am myself a Rancid fan since the beginning and got to meet them for the first time in my life last month during an interview they made with a local tv station. I met Jesse Michaels last year and now I can say that I have met my 2 idols, the other one being Tim Armstrong.

THEY ARE great guys, Matt seemed surprise that I asked him to take a picture with me because he is so shy. I was with my friend and we didn't have tickets to the show because it was sold out (And because we drove 3 hours to get there at the last minute). Anyways, when I asked Tim if he could do something for me, he IMMEDIATLY said ''Sure, what's your name?'' and handed the piece of paper to his manager and said ''Put em on the guest list''. So it ended that me and 2 of my friends got to see the show for free. Rock Star attitude? I don't think so!

Another thing I found great, was the fact that Tim was signing autographs to the hundred of kids that were there and his manager said ''OK, We really gotta go now'' and he replied ''Just give me 5 more minutes please'' so he could sign more autographs before going to his show.

Rancid are fuckin amazing and I will stand up for them on every fuckin board I see peple bashing em 'til the day that I die. My love for them is that great.

For true Rancid fans, email me to get pics and videos of the TV interview.
DancinShoes77@Hotmail.com

Marcö's

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

I think playing a radio show with some of those bands is a far cry from actually bringing them on a Rancid tour. I think they've always done a fairly good job at bringing smaller bands out with them, ie. Tiger Army, F-Minus, AFI (not what they are now), Lunachicks, etc.
Mr. Kenzington

funkisdead (December 6, 2003)

Regardless of why they make their music... Regardless of who distributes their records...
Rancid know that there is a vibrant underground scene out there, and I'm sure they know plenty of independent bands, on Hellcat or otherwise, who would benefit from a supporting slot at a Rancid gig.
The fact that they opt to play shows with these generic pop bands instead of a deserving underdog is laughable... Those other shitty bands already have enough corporate money in their pockets to fund their studio apartments and to feed themselves. It just seems like they could be doing something to help someone who actually needs the help.
Instead, I get the impression that they are using these gigs with corporate pop bands as their ticket into the mainstream.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Some of you guys are really fucking incredible. First off, pro Rancid vs. anti Rancid arguments will never be settled on this site. Ever. So in a sense, we're all just wasting our breath. Some here like Rancid for good reasons. Some here don't like Rancid for valid reasons. Others I imagine dislike them because it makes them feel somehow more punk or above those in the scene who do like Rancid (you win a patch for your jacket). Myself, I love Rancid. Have for many years, so I'm naturally biased. I'd put up their first and second album against anything else that's out there and question how they could be viewed as soft punk. Those albums were cut before the punk explosion, so to say that they were tryimng to emulate the Offspring's or Greenday's success is ignorant. If fame and money was the #1 goal of Rancid, you probably would have seen them leave Epitaph during the bidding war that ensued after Let's Go was released. I think it's laughable that you question a band's crediblity when they've been around now for 12 or 13 years and have basically stayed pretty true to themselves and their sound as a band. Yes, the sound has evolved over the years, but it's always been Rancid. Warner distributes their records now, big fucking deal. You saw them advertise the record on t.v.? So fucking what? Your sacred bands would probably do the same thing if they had the means. Instead, they place an ad in AP. Still advertising, so don't act like they are any different. I go to a lot of shows here in LA and I frequently see Tim and Matt hanging out checking out other bands. No different than you or I, just regular guys checking out a show. No fucking rock star mentality or guys who are trying to front an image. Maybe some of you should try rapping with them sometime to see for yourselves. To BSD: Since, in your opinion, Rancid's music is so flawed by weak guitar work and too much bass, I'd love to hear some of your music. You seem to be quite the expert and I'm sure it's better than anything Rancid has done. You should enlighten the rest of us on the site. That's my rant for today. Now is where you tell me to fuck off, I tell you to fuck off, and we agree to disagree. See you at the next Rancid show.
Mr. Kenzington

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

some people here sadden me.

boba_fett (December 6, 2003)

"(p.s. i'm 24 years old so don't try to pull any bullshit about me being a young little teenie bopper)"

anybody who comes along and says "im {fill in number of years old} so dont mess with me cause im cooler than thou" automatically gets a rating of a major fagtard.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

no mohawk, no matter how big or colorfull, could ever make up for the fact that good charlotte and kelly osbourne are in their video

in other words: fuck rancid, fuck them in their stupid asses

(p.s. i'm 24 years old so don't try to pull any bullshit about me being a young little teenie bopper)

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

>>i dont care if rancid was the g/c of the 90s... but dude, if you're gonna argue this guy, at least make sense. Is 94 95 and 96 not part of the 90s? shit, you didnt disprove what the other cat said.. you verified it. douche.

and NEVER, i mean NEVER call epitaph an indie. ever.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

>

He said EARLY 90's. 94, 95, 96 is the mid 90's. You look like a complete moron now. The other guy said "and Rancid was on an indie (if you call Epitaph an indie anymore)" which means in the early-mid 90's when Epitaph was established and Rancid was popular, they were on an Independent Label, but today, Epitaph really isn't an indie anymore.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

you're wrong.. they drive around in 57' chevys (mint condition though)

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

for those of you 20 or older, you should realize that rancid is a really hard working band who unfortunatley don't rock nearly as hard as they look

for those of you 20 or younger, don't let the mohawks and skull tatoos fool you, tim, matt, lars, and brett are driving around in mercedes right now

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"then apparently you've never bothered to listen to Rancid 2000, easily one of the best hardcore albums to be released in the past few years."

Uh, no. While I guess that's probably their best CD, it isn't that good. I forgot all about the "you know, we're Rancid, and we have cred cos of our mohawks" talking, and the MTV embarrassment of "Ruby Soho"... It was okay, nothing special. The bass drives the music too much, and that's the case with all of Rancid's works. That's why I don't like them. They have a bassist who, while retaining a much better stance than Tim and Lars by not going out of his way to try and get street cred he couldn't possibly have, overplays to the max. It sounds like of their songs were recorded bassless first by a bunch of 13 year olds, then Matt went in to the studio and got bored and just canoodeled away. I don't know about you, but to me a mad raving funky bass doesn't compliment two shitty, simplistic guitars that well.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"nobody forced anyone to like Rancid, people just did. And they aren't on Warner Bros, they are on Hellcat, they just get distro from Warner Bros.

They got where they are by themselves...thats why they had hit songs and a record deal, you unbelievable douchebag."

wow

first of all when warner brothers is distributing their records, they have a financial stake in their records, so they promote them, like the television commercial for their record (which was payed for by warner brothers)or the videos for their new album (which were payed for by warner brothers)

second of all, who cares if they wrote those songs or not...that wasn't the point, they were banking off of the success of green day and the offspring, and when mtv and the radio play your song on a regular basis, you are not doing it yourself

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

the detroit radio show was

switchfoot
hot hot heat
dashboard confessional
rancid
barenaked ladies
and 311

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

St. Louis Radio show was:
Thirce
Thursday
Smile Empty Soul
Deftones
Janes Addiction

Party

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

where do you live? do shows not regularly go that late? here (cleveland) most of the shows i like don't START until 1030-11. interesting.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

I want to get into Janelle's panties

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

""rancid is the good charlotte of the early 1990s"

if you're refering to the fact that both bands can't rock nearly as hard as their images then you're right on q "

then apparently you've never bothered to listen to Rancid 2000, easily one of the best hardcore albums to be released in the past few years.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Advert, even. I have to start re-reading my posts.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Let's not forget Tim Armstrong whoring out that stupid Transplants song with the piano loop to a hair product advery here (not sure if they did it in the US, but it's on the tv all the time in the UK).

And then there was the time a couple of months before 'Indestructible' came out when everyone suddenly called Rancid "sellouts" and Lars started talking about how they were still punk rock because of their haircuts.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

this is my towns version of the radio show...

Fuel
AHI
Hoobastank
The Ataris
Dashboard Confessional
Something Corporate
Smile Empty Soul
Less Than Jake
Switchfoot
Yellowcard

FUEL IS HEADLINING.... AHAHAHAHHAHAHHAAHA
cuz they fucking rock. ive seen them like 8 times... they were good before half these guys were bands.. actually not. but they rock..

p.s. this show is called nextbigthing3..
anyone know why?

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"Looks like you were 3 years old in the early 90's. They weren't even known in the mainstream til 94' with "salvation" and even with the success of AOCTW in 95' and 96' they werent that popular. Rancid's music, lyrics and image are also completely different. They were also on an indie (if you call epitaph that anymore), anyways you're an idiot"

i dont care if rancid was the g/c of the 90s... but dude, if you're gonna argue this guy, at least make sense. Is 94 95 and 96 not part of the 90s? shit, you didnt disprove what the other cat said.. you verified it. douche.

and NEVER, i mean NEVER call epitaph an indie. ever.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

the radio still sucks.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Blink182 is bringing brand new on tour to autralia.....hopefully blink leaves them there....

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

Okay, just suspend belief that this band has ever had any sort of credibility outside of the Op Ivy connection, and then you might have reason to call "sellout"... But Rancid were NEVER indie guys, only on their first record... And it was pretty big for a first LP, too... This is basically soft punk, overproduced with an outer coating of mohawks and... I guess East Sidah bandanas now that Tim has gone fully bald.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

rancid sucks

losingstreakca (December 6, 2003)

am i the only who hates the fact that rancid plays mostly stuff off of AOCTW. urghhhh talk about beating a dead horse. life wont wait is a fucking UNBELIEVABLE album, rancid 2000 was awesome, even the new album had a ton of great songs. but why is it that more than half the songs they play at their shows are from an album they recorded 8 years ago.

Anonymous (December 6, 2003)

"i remember seeing rancid on warped tour and hearing them preach about how they had done it all themselves without the help of anyone else and how they were better than all those "poser" bands...apparently they forgot about Time Bomb and Ruby Soho...apparently they forgot again with that whole Warner Brothers thing"

What do you mean they must have forgotten about Time Bomb and Ruby Soho...they wrote those fucking songs you moron, nobody forced anyone to like Rancid, people just did. And they aren't on Warner Bros, they are on Hellcat, they just get distro from Warner Bros.

They got where they are by themselves...thats why they had hit songs and a record deal, you unbelievable douchebag.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

"rancid is the good charlotte of the early 1990s"

if you're refering to the fact that both bands can't rock nearly as hard as their images then you're right on q

in adition, if you're refering to their incredibly contrived and unoriginal sounds (that's right rancid did nothing original) then you're right about that too

i remember seeing rancid on warped tour and hearing them preach about how they had done it all themselves without the help of anyone else and how they were better than all those "poser" bands...apparently they forgot about Time Bomb and Ruby Soho...apparently they forgot again with that whole Warner Brothers thing

KingOfRain (December 5, 2003)

I hate the radio.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

OMG Rancid plays a radio show! and are on magazine covers! what a bunch of fucking sell outs! THOSE GREEDY BASTARDS! How dare they spread their music to gain new fans!!

OI OI OI!!! true punk forever!!!11one

Eddie (December 5, 2003)

Rancid and Something Corporate? Huh?

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

"Brand new is an example of a fad. i'm glad their making their money now cuz they're gonna need to save on. the topics excite a 17 year old mall rat with low self esteem. its funny because its noticable that their songs are written to please the fans rather than please the musician"

You got it all wrong brother. I'll walk through the mall and see more rancid shirts than brand new anyday. I really dont think thier not rying to be musicians. peace

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

two words: bad review

same old stuff once again

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

the show sucked except for rancid. it showed that some bands are good at what they do and that some aren't. i'm not into the emo thing at all. but from a completely middle stand point yellowcard was horrible. it is unprofessional for a national act to tour w/ 1 fucking violin if you have a violinist. my brother plays violin and it takes 3 minutes to change a string. something coperate was tight but the songs are so bland because they're at a moderate tempo with no real transactions. The piano was very out of tune and i think it comes from the non-musicianship point of jumping on top of it. which i think isn't to professional. Brand new is an example of a fad. i'm glad their making their money now cuz they're gonna need to save on. the topics excite a 17 year old mall rat with low self esteem. its funny because its noticable that their songs are written to please the fans rather than please the musician.........now on too rancid....true fans stay with true bands....those 13 year old emo fans will probably like rap tomorrow but fans of a couple generations were there for rancid. they played songs from all aspects of their career w/ emphasis on the 94 and 95 years...i was glad they played some stuff off of "life won't wait" cuz ska makes the world go round...they talk about things that mean stuff to them...live they sound great and they good musicians. to the people that say they sold out...i remember them on mtv in 95 too...they just happen to be part of something that is big right now....they haven't changed..and they won't...what matters is that the fans stay w/ them and not just listen to them when they're on mtv. ......anyway rancid played amazing....matt is a friggin bass god .....lars is a live long punker....tim seems to be doing fine w/o that bitch brody and brett didn't miss a beat....the the idiot who says why would rancid play a show w/ these bands....rancid was already playing here and bru jumped on the bandwagon for the birthday party...rancid was promised more money but actually got payed less..i know because a friend of mine is friends w/ the booking agent for the club..

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

In Canada our radio show concert consists of Alexisonfire and Moneen....Why is AOF headlining?

skankin_in_the_pit (December 5, 2003)

"Straw Dog," and also played (not necessarily in this order) "Fall," "I Woke Up in a Car," "Punk Rock Princess" (in Dolby Digital if you get my drift), "Ruthless," "Space," "Down," "Only Ashes," and closed with "Hurricane."

Those are some terrible song names. I guess it makes since considering they make terrible music and have a terrible name.

Greenvandal (December 5, 2003)

AFI and Rancid? Id be happy as a pig in shit.

-!aretheyreallyhappyinshit!

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

this review was so long and dragged and i began to wonder why until i scrolled down and noticed that inagreendase wrote it. Then i proceeded to eat chocolate pudding and imagine him looking up more five dollar words to try to impress those just looking for honest reviews.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

"They even played "As Wicked," Lars telling us that it was the first time since 1996 they had played it live."

saw them in boston last month, they said the same thing

-duped
(it was an awesome show though)

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Thank you for an honest review.

Rancid owns you all!

inagreendase (December 5, 2003)

Er...yeah, the splash page on the related link was changed. Probably should know better than to describe a linked splash page. Not doing that again.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

To the guy below asking about reviews:

Submit your review with appropriate paragraph spacing. The preview looks like spacing didn't take, but it will. And the editors of the site will provide album cover art.

-sickboi

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Damn. Our radio show doesnt get Rancid.

Fuck Cleveland radio and their shitty Adema/Ill/Nino/Korn/Offspring line up.

It's like one bad nu-metal nightmare.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

To the guy who asked if you saw Rancid on the cover of every fucking magazine back in the early 90s...welll...yes. I mean they were a big band. They are still a fairly big band. I haven't seen any notable change in how they are...they still do punk better than most any other punk band out there. Success doesnt equal selling out, but the punk scene will never learn that. You know given the chance, Bad Brains really wanted to be huge.

inagreendase (December 5, 2003)

Two more things:

- SoCo also played the "iF U C jordan" song or however it's spelled.

- Forgot which one, but I swear Tim A. dedicated one of Rancid's songs to his brother Greg, who he said was in Baghdad. This was news to me.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Their radio show over my way is with Linkin Park, Chevelle, and AFI. Dear god. They toured with AFI years ago, but I assume you were making your point with the other bands.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

I might be a bit thick but I'm trying to put a review up and I dont know how to put paragraphs in or the picture for the album art in. If someone could please tell me.

Cheers

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Would it even be possible for Rancid to lose anymore credibility? Why the fuck are they playing with these shitty fucking bands? Their radio show over my way is with Linkin Park, Chevelle, and AFI. Dear god.
And yes, Rancid were big in the early/mid 90s. Did you not notice them on the cover of every freaking magazine? Apparantly you were not paying attention.
I don't know, I still like the first two Rancid albums, but I've pretty much lost all respect for them.

...evildeadalive

adam (December 5, 2003)

Lars' solo "The Wars End" is always cool. In Toronto once he did "The Wolf" solo and the entire crowd screamed along with every word. It was quite cool. I think he said it was the first time they've ever played it live.

-adam

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Hey...Where Am I?

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

"rancid is the good charlotte of the early 90's"

Looks like you were 3 years old in the early 90's. They weren't even known in the mainstream til 94' with "salvation" and even with the success of AOCTW in 95' and 96' they werent that popular. Rancid's music, lyrics and image are also completely different. They were also on an indie (if you call epitaph that anymore), anyways you're an idiot

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

What the hell's this radio show?

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

rancid is the good charlotte of the early 1990s

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Yellowcard's "Breathing" has a striking similarity to an old VA band called Shermer's "Now You Know".

It's funny.. Shermer and Over It were very tight and Over It was apparently spreading Shermer's name around to all their friend in bands/labels. Knowing that Yellowcard is pretty tight with Over It as well.. one will deduce that someone in OI told someone in YC to check out Shermer...well you can draw the rest of the conclusion.

If you can find it on Kazaa, listen to "Now You Know" by Shermer then to Breathing by Yellowcard. Gotta love when shitty pop-punk rips off good rock.

Anonymous (December 5, 2003)

Rocky Mountain Motherfuckers taste good.

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