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Against Me!: is Reinventing Axl Roseis Reinventing Axl Rose (2002)
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A glimpse at the old review of this album combined with boredom led me to think that, especially with the controversy many people have started over the new album, led me to take a few minutes to outline my own take on Against Me!'s release of a year and a half ago. I left out some songs, because, a.
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A glimpse at the old review of this album combined with boredom led me to think that, especially with the controversy many people have started over the new album, led me to take a few minutes to outline my own take on Against Me!'s release of a year and a half ago. I left out some songs, because, as The Dude would say, I'm a fan of brevity - but that is not to downplay their importance.

The fact that this album will not sound like anything else in your collection (and yet retain a quality of astounding familiarity) is apparent from the opening of the very first track. "Pints Of Guinness..." Described by many as "circus music," the song has a very distinct twang to it, with a relaxed bass line, memorable drum beat, and quick guitar guitar lines. The earnest voice of Tom Gabel kicks in soon thereafter, beginning to craft the tale of a widowed woman (who, the liner notes explain, is Mr. Gabel's grandmother). The listener, if drawn into the tale, soon learns that despite the song title and chorus ("And just like James, I'll be drinking Irish tonight..."), the song is extremely sad, exploring alcohol as an addiction to a cheap drug that can be used to drown out the memories of "the last work week." The dual nature of the song as both a personal and social piece of work calls to mind the poetry in lyrics of artists like Johnny Cash and Woody Guthrie, as well as countless other great punk groups.

"We Laugh at Danger (and break all the rules)" again gives the listener the feel that they are hearing something completely fresh, yet completely familiar. The upbeat drums and indescribably... honest vocals introduce a simple song about growing up rife with personal imagery. The chorus line, "If Florida takes us, we're takin' everyone down with us... where we're coming from, yeah, will be the death of us" (obviously wildly popular at the band's hometown shows) is not delivered as a bitter political statement, but an explosive expression of a feeling anyone can relate to - one of entrapment and the desire to do something great, and the idea that you can't do that at home. And, the best part... just when you think the song is almost over, the music drops out, and there is a massive sing-along. You don't get the impression of a hardcore album - wonderful in its own way, with kids piling on top of each other, their fists in the air - but of a room full of friends, clapping to the beat and singing along with huge grins on their faces.

"I Still Love You Julie," re-worked from the "Crime" EP, sounds stellar. As powerful as any song about, well, songs, the band tells the story of just about anyone who goes to shows looking for a release. ("Given the chance, I'd stay in this chorus forever, where everything ugly in this world is sadly beautiful, in our desperate memories") The song showcases the ability of the band to write a song that doesn't sound at all as though any filler has been added. The song doesn't sound too short, or too long - there are no instrumentals that sound extraneous, or lyrics that seem needlessly repeated. The song just hits you like a punch in the gut.

"Those Anarcho Punks are Mysterious" carries a more serious tone, but has the same effect. Starting off with a signature simple strumming of a barre chord, and continuing with an unforgettable pattern the rest of the way through, the band once again makes it almost irrestible to sing along after 2 or 3 listens. The clapping trick is repeated, but it is far from a gimmick - it flows naturally through the course of hte song, and is just as powerful as any breakdown or guitar solo. Even more universally anthemic, the song outlines practical resistance. "We rock, because its us against them, and we found our own reasons to sing."

The title track follows immediately after, and has a much more upbeat, traditionally punk feel to it, complete with "whoa-ohs." A glimpse at the lyrics reveals the theme of the album to be much more than a passing joke reference to a fallen hair metal god. The song could very well be the anthem for underground music across America - not just punk or hardcore or metal, but any band that has ever loaded up into a van and played solely for the sake of playing.

"Baby, I'm an Anarchist," according to the liner notes, was not the band's song originally, but they make a very interesting go at it. The most humorous song on the album, it tells the tale of two lovers ultimately seperated by their political beliefs. The song is performed on a lone guitar, with Tom Gabel's trademark voice demanding attention.

"Walking is Still Honest," a re-recording of a track off of the band's old "Crime" EP (which will eventually be reviewed on this site, I swear) sounds perfect with the whole band contributing. The song could be about anything, on a personal level - maybe even an ode to Tom's own mother. To anyone else, however, it is yet another amazingly crafted ode to the working class through personal lyrics.

"8 Full Hours of Sleep" is the other solo number on the album. The song is another commentary on the band's politics, and is an excellent way to end the album. Because the entire point of the album is not that you are listening to some amazing piece of musicianship. The point of "Re-inventing Axl Rose" is that the listener feels just as much a part of the band as they do a passive listener. Whether you be a suburban white kid who is struggling to understand politics or a poor minority struggling just to make ends meet, there is something on this album that will speak to you. Imagine the Ramones without the outrageousness, the Clash without the pretension or attempts at artistic statement. Imagine your favorite punk band stripped down, with maybe less power chords, and mated with the guy with an acoustic guitar strapped on his back travelling the country and "telling it like it is." This album is about trying to figure out a world that is confusing to the lot of us, and attempting to sketch out some things they may have noticed. This is an album that doesn't just talk about unity - doesn't even really mention it overtly, in fact - yet inspires a feeling of complete brother and sisterhood to anyone who takes the time to really listen. It is, in the end, artistic expression at its finest.

Maybe that was all a bit idealistic, sorry.

 

 
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gankdude1 (August 3, 2014)

Classic.

GnomeChomsky (July 20, 2013)

Without albums and bands like this, punk would be dead for my generation.

nahbro (June 5, 2012)

This album is the best thing since Peanut butter and fucking onions. And I LOVE that shit.

bowlercap (January 23, 2012)

I was 11 years old and driving with my cousin. I told him I was thinking of buying the new Offspring CD (Conspiracy); he told me that if I wanted to be the coolest kid in the 5th grade, I would buy "this" record, as he popped in a mystery cassette into the car stereo. Those first seconds of "Pints" changed my life in a way nothing else has. Now I listen to this album as if it's a recording of a best friend who died.

nocomply (November 18, 2011)

I love this records but I actually like Eternal Cowboy and Searching for a Former Clarity more. Sue me.

blood-guts-punkrock (August 14, 2011)

Like AFI and many other bands the older the album, the better it is.
That saying applies here. This album is absolute class!!

kouta55 (April 7, 2011)

If you don't like this album get the fuck out of this website.

AlexpunkFL (December 30, 2009)

everything about this album is perfect. old AM! for life

PaddingtonBear (November 9, 2009)

classic for all ages, i think. one of my favourite albums ever

SouthernLovin (February 4, 2009)

I like it a lot, obviously, but despite having been there from the Acoustic EP days, this is still not my favorite of their's.

Pete_Booze (October 7, 2008)

this is probably the most important record of the last years

RoyalWithCheese (August 30, 2008)

Sing it loud and sing it proud cuz this shit is good

aaronsuspect (August 10, 2008)

I got goosebumps reading that last paragraph. Damn.

TommyPickles (April 12, 2008)

I'll be drinking Irish tonight

farhan_zul (March 24, 2008)

yeah..
this album brings back memory of guns n roses...
haha...

farhan_zul (March 24, 2008)

yeah..
this album brings back memory of guns n roses...
haha...

farhan_zul (March 24, 2008)

yeah..
this album brings back memory of guns n roses...
haha...

sinkwithcalifornia (March 3, 2008)

Rudy_Rules (February 4, 2008)

Great album, or greatest album?

erff (January 22, 2008)

yeah so i live by chicago and i saw theyre playing at the all state arena. what happened to "basements are arenas"?

and its "extremely" not "extreamely" if youre going to make fun of someone atleast spell everything right

tricklin (December 26, 2007)

Probably the best album of 2002.

i-hate-winnipeg (October 14, 2007)

THE perfect album.

Anonymous (August 30, 2007)

im a sad pathetic, probably 14 year old boy with nothing better to do than piss people off over the internet by relentlesly commenting about an extreamly mediocre album.
ps. i have sex with my mother

-BSD

sk8ergrl (July 2, 2007)

This is my favorite Against Me! album, and probably their best work. I listened to them before I moved to Gainesville. I didn't want to move here, but when I found out Against Me! were from here, I was a happier. I love this album and have listened to hit several times. But too bad this band is really popular, and most of the time they're always on tour. So much for moving to Gainesville..

assgoblin (January 26, 2007)

Crimes as Forgiven By... is their best album. This one is pretty good though. Crimes made me want to go looting. Their new shit just doesn't have the same effect. (although it is still better than most bands)

coltonlloyd (November 18, 2006)

best cd of all time hands down

Damo (November 5, 2006)

some great songs: Guiness, Walking is still Honest, 8 hours etc but also some filler

rozcoemission (August 28, 2006)

Superb!

jumptheshark (July 25, 2006)

i like the fact that he clains to be a fan of brevity in what is probably the longest review i've ever seen on this site.

sfbarker (May 31, 2006)

Isn't anarchy about having no governing body? How does NOT succumbing to your rules of "Punk Rock & Anarchism" make Tom Gabel less of an anarchist.

True anarchy is selling yourself whenever you want...or not selling yourself if you don't want to...it's about acting for what YOU want.

Anonymous (May 24, 2006)

baby, im an anarchist. too bad tom gabel isnt anymore

Anonymous (May 25, 2005)

This band ain't got shit on Good Charlotte.

Anonymous (February 15, 2005)

I wonder if this BSD idiot is ever going to shut the hell up.

Anyway, I like the review. Really, really good album... Slightly hypocritical, but at least they admit to it in Those Anarcho Punks are Mysterious. I haven't stopped listening to it since I bought it.

Anonymous (April 14, 2004)

The Dude did not say, "I'm a fan of brevity."
Get your Lebowski quotes right, jackass.

AmericanIdle (April 13, 2004)

"Rise Against own buddy"
Own the school of crappy generic colour-in-the-lines "political" melodic hardcore.

Anonymous (January 18, 2004)

My little red devil tape says copyright 1969. It's really rare, and nomeansno made it when they were like 14 or something.

jwdanperci (January 8, 2004)

Anyone seeing the Against Me show Jan 30th in Philly?

Anonymous (January 7, 2004)

I was talking albums. And 78 is still too late for the class of 76, 75, and 74 punk bands.

-BSD

PetroBPettson (January 7, 2004)

Ooh, someone has cinematic taste.....The guy who did special effects for Evil Dead, including making the book of the dead, lives about 15 minutes from me in a small rural town, Marshall, Michigan.......Though being a small town in middle of nowhere, it's als where Small Brown Bike lives.....but they suck. Anyway, the special effect guy lived across the street of one of my ex-bandmates, and he said the guy is totally nuts. I guess those who brave going to his house are rewarded with things from the film though. He gave another kid I know the book of the dead blueprints.......But anyway...

Anonymous (January 6, 2004)

nomeansno started out in 78 I believe.

...evildeadalive

Anonymous (January 6, 2004)

Is this... What day is this?

mikeinflames (January 5, 2004)

Rise Against own buddy
I'm sorry a lot of people like them thus they are not uber trend kool to listen too

Anonymous (January 5, 2004)

But you were going to the show for Rise Against. This score is for that.

-BSD

mikeinflames (January 5, 2004)

I just don't get it
I picked up this album because of all the praise it gets (and becasue they are opening up for Rise Against when I go see them in a couple weeks)
And I just don't get it
It's not like it's a bad album ... but it's definately nothing special
It doesn't really go anywhere and the signers voice gets on my nerves a wee bit
Guess it's just not my cup of tea

PetroBPettson (January 4, 2004)

MoMeansNo were pretty good too. AT used to put out great stuff, 'til three douche-nozzles decided to wrap Jello in litigation.

Anonymous (January 4, 2004)

Nomeansno were an 80s band... So, you're incorrect.

-BSD

Anonymous (January 3, 2004)

I really don't care who created punk, but if you;re the kind of guy who does, you should at least get the band or bands that created it right. I'm not totally sure, but didn't nomeansno exist some five or six years before any of those other bands?

Against Me! kicks all ass.

Anonymous (January 3, 2004)

No doubt, Axl Rose is a fucking idiot

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

It's about time someone shot Axl Rose.

-BSD

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

Great album from a great band.

It is about time someone reinvented Axl Rose!

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

"the clash had people design their clothes, but the sex pistols were designed FOR the clothes."

But if you're gonna try to sell any type of clothes through a band, the music has to be accessable. I won't deny that Malcom's main goal was to sell more clothes, but I don't think he had what the Sex Pistols did in mind. He wanted a Bay City Rollers type band, ended up with something much more akin to 60s Rock n Blues, with a vocalist who couldn't sing, etc. You know the story. It's fucking cliche'd now. What started out as probably just another pop band ended as one of the first punk bands.

-BSD

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

"bsd- i play guitar, i have an issue of guitar magazine that features an interview with mr. diggle of the buzzcocks... it has a sidebar feature on steve jones, who says that he was a miserable guitar player, the sex pistols were his first band, and that he just sat around smoking meth and practicing his downstrokes after mclaren threatened to kick him out of the band.

i am right, my man."

Then his self-written segments in Rotten's book, and nearly every other interview he's ever given, are lies? I have heard that he played while on speed and meth, and I don't doubt that he was a horrible guitar player early on (or even later on, by 70s rock standards), but I've read lots of crap where he talks about having been in bands since 1973 as a drummer, then a guitarist since he was so bad at drums. I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO THINK NOW!

-BSD

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

BSD is a poser and a jerk off plain and simple

Anonymous (January 2, 2004)

no, you never said anything about them being sexy. you said that steve jones was chosen because he looked stylish, bsd just didn't have a comeback, so he explained that they weren't sexy. they still rock, though.

funkisdead (January 2, 2004)

also, i'm not saying the sex pistols were "sexy." i'm saying mclaren chose them to represent the street level image of the bondage gear he was trying to introduce to the mainstream. they weren't attractive, but neither is s&m, and that is the whole point.

the clash had people design their clothes, but the sex pistols were designed FOR the clothes.

i'm a huge fan, but like... they were fucking contrived. that doesn't negate their influence, or their talents, but mclaren had a vision, and the sex pistols started out as a means to his end.

funkisdead (January 2, 2004)

bsd- i play guitar, i have an issue of guitar magazine that features an interview with mr. diggle of the buzzcocks... it has a sidebar feature on steve jones, who says that he was a miserable guitar player, the sex pistols were his first band, and that he just sat around smoking meth and practicing his downstrokes after mclaren threatened to kick him out of the band.

i am right, my man.

GreenVandal (December 31, 2003)

blah blah blah blah blah blah

I always thought politics were for politicians. Everyone shut the fuck up, and enjoy music.

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

Uh yeah, that puts the age cap at younger than me... Go jack off to your Youth Brigade bootlegs.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 31, 2003)

I like good music, sorry if what you listen to just so happens to suck

boldredletters (December 30, 2003)

good point. i think the punk world would be a lot different if Leatherface had gotten better distribution back in the day... of course, it probably still would've been lost in the nirvana grunge period. but man, i listen to "cherry knowle" and i hear them doing things a lot of bands today could learn quite a bit from. and their recent albums are excellent, too...

Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

I'm not trying to bash the Clash... I love the Clash. You're right. They could have signed to an indie, though. But I prefer that they hadn't. Imagine a world where the Clash never hit stateside... Imagine how much more sheltered punk would be if ALL bands were on indies. Crazy stuff.

-BSD

boldredletters (December 30, 2003)

signing to a major label certainly has negative political connotations. but at the same time, there wasn't there wasn't the same extensive underground network of independent labels back then. while i'm not supporting such a decision, i could understand how someone would struggle with a choice between keeping one's message in obscurity and sacrificing a bit of credibility to get that message to a wider audience.

signing to a major should definitely be politically frowned upon, since any money you make is ultimately supporting a company that is trying to turn music into a commodity... but from the standpoint of a musician, signing to a major doesn't necessarily compromise all integrity. hell, the only reason chumbawumba signed to a major was because all of the indies in england thought the new record wouldn't sell well, believe it or not...

that's the way i look at it, i guess. be interested to hear everyone else's point of view.

Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

aw, you kids are just the cutest little things i've ever seen!

-el vaquero
ska!

Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

"It's also funny that a person not even alive when the Clash was writing music would call their lyrics naive. No, not so much funny as it is cute. And perhaps, dare I say, naive?"

Well if you honestly believe that the Clash followed through with anything they wrote, you can keep that opinion. I just don't see the corrolation between fighting the law and signing to CBS.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 30, 2003)

"Malcolm McLaren had been managing the New York Dolls, trying to help them breakthrough into the mainstream. The New York Dolls broke up. McLaren moved back to England, he ran a sex shop called The Sex Shop, or something. The New York Dolls were all about the fashion, and McLaren kept that in mind. The Pistols were designed to sell more of his cheap bondage gear. They were like, the poster boys of his cheesy fucking sex shop, brought together just to sell shit.

McLaren took the NYD kid's white Les Paul Custom, gave it to this unknown tweaker named Steve Jones. He didn't know how to play guitar, but wow... he sure did look stylish! The Pistols knew each other, but they didn't have a prior band together. The guys auditioned for The Sex Pistols, McLaren decided who should be allowed in, and that's that."

What the fuck are you talking about? True, all of the Pistols had something to do with the Sex shop, but Steve Jones has played guitar since the early 70s. Glenn Matlock definitely had been a bassist for a while. I'd like to see your reference, because I have quite a few that collide with your theory that the Sex Pistols were sexy.

Sure, they had someone designing their clothes, is that any better than the Exploited and assorted other "street punk" clones? It's not like they PAYED for it, and it's not like Malcom had their musical creativity. And it wasn't a fucking crime back then to wear clothes your manager made for you. If we're gonna dismiss bands for wearing non-DIY clothes their managers and other friends made for them, we'd also dismiss the Clash.

Every political aspect of them was created by Bernie Rhodes. What bondage gear was to the Sex Pistols, Communist uniforms were to the Clash. The Clash just wanted to get a record deal sooner, so they toned it down a bit on the overtly outrageous behavior.

So yes, they did have a lot to do with that shit.

-BSD

funkisdead (December 29, 2003)

also, this:
"Not at all, really. If you consider Johnny Rotten attractive, I guess so... The Pistols had been around since the early 70s, Steve Jones and Paul Cook (guitarist and drummer, respectively) kicked out the rest of the members and renamed the group. Malcom was their manager, but they'd been playing NY Dolls type stuff since their incarnation. They got Glenn Matlock to be their bassist, and auditioned Johnny Rotten as their vocalist. That's why people think they're fake... But that's how a lot of bands started out. Hell, Ozzy put up an advert when he wanted to become a singer.

Lydon (Rotten) decided that Jones and Matlock wrote shitty lyrics, decided to do some of his own, and there you have it: musical history"
is just plain wrong.

Malcolm McLaren had been managing the New York Dolls, trying to help them breakthrough into the mainstream. The New York Dolls broke up. McLaren moved back to England, he ran a sex shop called The Sex Shop, or something. The New York Dolls were all about the fashion, and McLaren kept that in mind. The Pistols were designed to sell more of his cheap bondage gear. They were like, the poster boys of his cheesy fucking sex shop, brought together just to sell shit.

McLaren took the NYD kid's white Les Paul Custom, gave it to this unknown tweaker named Steve Jones. He didn't know how to play guitar, but wow... he sure did look stylish! The Pistols knew each other, but they didn't have a prior band together. The guys auditioned for The Sex Pistols, McLaren decided who should be allowed in, and that's that.

The Clash had nothing to do with that bullshit.

REALPUNX4LIFE (December 29, 2003)

I'd like for you to please (PLEASE!) point out where I said that debate about music is discouraged on a website about music. I really don't see where I said anything even remotely resembling that.

It's also funny that a person not even alive when the Clash was writing music would call their lyrics naive. No, not so much funny as it is cute. And perhaps, dare I say, naive?

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"Your horribly regurgitated histories of such punk rock "luminaries" is excrutiatingly boring and the fact that you call other people ignorant for disagreeing with your version of history is equally disturbing."

I mean, imagine that: A debate about music: on a music oriented web page. Grow up, you little fucking kid.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"but what i know about the sex pistols is that their manager went to new york, heard richard hell and the voidoids, and then went back to england and asked for a group of attractive young men to play songs that sounded like "blank generation." is that incorrect?"

Not at all, really. If you consider Johnny Rotten attractive, I guess so... The Pistols had been around since the early 70s, Steve Jones and Paul Cook (guitarist and drummer, respectively) kicked out the rest of the members and renamed the group. Malcom was their manager, but they'd been playing NY Dolls type stuff since their incarnation. They got Glenn Matlock to be their bassist, and auditioned Johnny Rotten as their vocalist. That's why people think they're fake... But that's how a lot of bands started out. Hell, Ozzy put up an advert when he wanted to become a singer.

Lydon (Rotten) decided that Jones and Matlock wrote shitty lyrics, decided to do some of his own, and there you have it: musical history.

The Clash were no less guilty of being totally assembled, though. Paul Simonon (early on) could not at all play bass, he was put in the group because he looked cooler than the rest. They auditioned for drummers and fired their first because his political beliefs clashed with their decidedly communist (and naive) lyrics, which they would definitely not live up to.

So relax, forget about "street cred" and listen to pretty boys like Johnny Rotten spouting really poppy manufactured lyrics like "I wanna destroy"...

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

I'm not much of a fan of ageism at only 20 but I cringe at the thought of calling anyone "kid." Now I see someone four years my junior calling other people "kids." Don't be so high and mighty that you think you've got the right to look down on other people for what you perceive to be their inexperience. Your horribly regurgitated histories of such punk rock "luminaries" is excrutiatingly boring and the fact that you call other people ignorant for disagreeing with your version of history is equally disturbing. But I'm not going to call you a kid or tell you to grow up. That would be dumb.

boldredletters (December 29, 2003)

i'll admit i'm not too big of a music historian. i read occasional interviews if i really like a band... so i don't know too too much about the clash. but what i know about the sex pistols is that their manager went to new york, heard richard hell and the voidoids, and then went back to england and asked for a group of attractive young men to play songs that sounded like "blank generation." is that incorrect?

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"fuck the sex pistols, though. =) they were a made band, from everything i've heard..."

If the Pistols were manufactured, the Clash were ten times moreso. I agree that credibility does matter in punk, if a band is lying about how they live or started, but the fact is NEITHER band did that, they just has managers. To tell the truth, most bands had managers. Bernie and Malcom were virtually the same. And without Bernie, we wouldn't have the Clash, we'd have some long forgotten pub band called the Heartdrops.

When the Pistols sang "Anarchy in the UK", they were, in fact "living for now". If music lives up twenty odd years later, all the better. The bottom line, though, is that if you dismiss any music on the basis of age, not only are you ignorant, you're also missing out on all the best.

Do you honestly think 2003 rivals any year before it, as far as music goes? For the past twenty something years, the only memorable thing besides the first wave of punk has been hip-hop and rap. The truth is, with our current instruments, music can't really be very innovative. Everything's already been done. That's why critisizing the Clash and saying you like INDK and Op Ivy is godawful ignorant. Both of those bands careers were obviously based on the ska/punk combo the Clash created years beforehand, and they both site them as immense influences.

In short: Kids, learn your shit.

-BSD

boldredletters (December 29, 2003)

who cares who created anything? the point isn't that the clash and the ramones invented anything... you could argue forever on who CREATED punk... the point is, both of their musical creations are still relevant today. just like the second wavers. i think it is kind of ridcidulous to argue to a certain extent over who is "better" than another band. the influence of the bands being discussed here, however, is undeniable. and that's the bottom line.

fuck the sex pistols, though. =) they were a made band, from everything i've heard...

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

You sound so ignorant... What type of music do you like?

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

they're equivalent cuz they're overhyped and they suck, who cares if they created punk, fuck the founders, fuck the past live in the now you douche

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

I'm 16. Honest.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

Again, I ask how old you are BSD....are you ashamed to say?

JL

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"I group Ramones, Sex Pistols, and The Clash in the same group with blink 182, they're horribly over hyped bands who's names are thrown around by people who know nothing about punk"

Well thanks for not only proving that you're ignorant, but also that you're... Well, more ignorant than we thought at first. All of those bands CREATED punk, how are they AT ALL the equivalent of Blink 182?

You're either some scenester trendy loser or a wannabe UK 82 leather jacket wearing, patch sewing fashion-shit. Those are the only people as fucking ignorant as you.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

Is nobody else going to stick up for good punk?

Don't kid me, you little shits. You honestly think your tuneless Clash rip offs beat the originals? There's a reason your second wave punk is ignored by everyone who knows or cares about music: It's cheap imitations of a once-original thing. Op Ivy, INDK, Youth Brigade (who I own everything by), etc., while I like them, they are not nearly as original or even outright GOOD as the first wave... Fuck off an learn a history lesson, poseurs.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"So you proved my point perfectly: You're a poseur jackass. Now go back to re-hyping Blink 182 as a real punk band and crawl out of that hole below your mom's stomach. And I hope your mom is dead.

-BSD"

I didn't prove shit for you you moron

What a fucking retarded stereotype to assume that cuz i hate a bunch of overhyped old guys, i'll like a bunch of overhyped young guys. I group Ramones, Sex Pistols, and The Clash in the same group with blink 182, they're horribly over hyped bands who's names are thrown around by people who know nothing about punk

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

i dont like the clash, ramones, or sex pistols either, does that make me a posuer, asshole?
well, if posuers like Operation Ivy, INDK, and the Youth Brigade then I guess I am a posuer as well.

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

BSD How old are you?
Seriously, when were you born?

JL

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

good review. one of the best bands out the right now, and really fucking cool guys too. a friend of mine and i travelled a ways to see them and ended up walking in during the last song. we talked to the guys and told them our story and they gave us a bunch of free merch and put us on the guest list for their next show in the area.

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

"Well, no i don't own shit by them, i got a burned sex pistols cd that makes a great coaster, I checked a clash cd out of the library, and other than 2 songs the whole thing was painfully horrible, so i didn't even bother burning it. I've just had better things to spend my money on than a Ramones CD, they're not good, they're not bad, they're just there."

So you proved my point perfectly: You're a poseur jackass. Now go back to re-hyping Blink 182 as a real punk band and crawl out of that hole below your mom's stomach. And I hope your mom is dead.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 29, 2003)

meh, crime and disco were better. but the original tunes on this are pretty damn close too. walking is still honest... the original is my favorite song of theirs, but the re-do is something i have never been able to stand for long.

-el vaquero

Anonymous (December 28, 2003)

Well, no i don't own shit by them, i got a burned sex pistols cd that makes a great coaster, I checked a clash cd out of the library, and other than 2 songs the whole thing was painfully horrible, so i didn't even bother burning it. I've just had better things to spend my money on than a Ramones CD, they're not good, they're not bad, they're just there.

Anonymous (December 28, 2003)

You idiots. Those are all great bands. You're fucking uneducated. The kids who dis those bands, 100% don't have a real album or CD by them. It's punk to be stupid, not balls out ignorant. Now fuck off.

-BSD

Romeo (December 28, 2003)

Fuck Ramones, Sex Pistols, and The Clash, I hear so many idiots talk about them as if they walked on water that I want to piss on all of those bands records.

word.

hitlerbadzakgood (December 27, 2003)

i wrote the first review for this album. excuse me for not going in depth with every single song and being lazy. my bad.

boldredletters (December 27, 2003)

yeah, but there's only one guitar... unless i'm mistaken. whereas the rest of the songs have two...

Anonymous (December 27, 2003)

Uh, dude, Baby I'm An Anarchist has drums, bass and electric guitars. Watchu been smoking?

By the by, everyone in AM! that I've met is the farthest thing from pretentious.

rage (December 27, 2003)

Their drummer got up and danced during their set, it was entertaining. Unfortunately it was the only enjoyable moment capping off a set filled with disappointment and disguist. But then Anti-Flag made up for it!

Wait why isnt there a sarcasm tag...

Anonymous (December 27, 2003)

Fuck Ramones, Sex Pistols, and The Clash, I hear so many idiots talk about them as if they walked on water that I want to piss on all of those bands records.

GreenVandal (December 27, 2003)

yeah.... OKSODA

hahaha, i think im so funny.

This band is good. You guys should get off their dick though, its not that good.

OKSoda (December 26, 2003)

And of course I mean Fireside... not Fire Side. Whatever.

OKSoda (December 26, 2003)

I met the drummer once when they played the Fire Side. He was actually real cool. We talked about his outrageous beard for a minute, and then some other stuff. Not what I would really call "pretentious." Also, this album is good.

boldredletters (December 26, 2003)

meh, i didn't mean it as an insult when i said "outrageousness," i meant "not-PCness" or whatever you said, I guess.

and i guess we can at least agree on the Clash's albums. i actually hate it when people call bands pretentious, so that was my mistake, sorry. i'm just mad because "combat rock" was the first album i bought, and subsequently it took me a long time to realize why everyone thought the clash were so great =)

and i've met against me! a couple times, and they seem like really down to earth guys. on stage i can see how you could misinterpret their humor as arrogant, but if you do, i think your just a bit oversensitive, seeing as how they make fun of each other just as much as anyone else.

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

"i've had to do research on the ramones before, and, in fact, they admitted to writing their songs about whatever they thought would shock or offend people. so fuck you.

and the clash, i dunno. "combat rock" just always struck me as more than a little artsy, and while i admire joe strummer to no end, i do think some of the band's later work was more than a little pretentious."

I said that they had a quasi-un-PC Nazi image, but it wasn't shock value. The Sex Pistols (as great as they were) were shock value. The Ramones were just... silly.

The Clash? What you call "artsy" must just mean "really bad pop". I like them, but their last two albums suck (Cut the Crap, not Sandanista!).

-BSD

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

have you met them?
they are

boldredletters (December 26, 2003)

"'Imagine the Ramones without the outrageousness, the Clash without the pretension or attempts at artistic statement.'

Funny, as neither of those bands did what you said. And if there's one pretentious band on this planet, it's Against Me!. Now go to bed.

-BSD"

i've had to do research on the ramones before, and, in fact, they admitted to writing their songs about whatever they thought would shock or offend people. so fuck you.

and the clash, i dunno. "combat rock" just always struck me as more than a little artsy, and while i admire joe strummer to no end, i do think some of the band's later work was more than a little pretentious.

lastly, i really don't see how against me is pretentious in the least. maybe you could explain that bit...

Haggard (December 26, 2003)

Baby, I'm An Anarchist is probably the best song on this album.

Tom Gabel is the screaming man.

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

"Imagine the Ramones without the outrageousness, the Clash without the pretension or attempts at artistic statement."

Funny, as neither of those bands did what you said. And if there's one pretentious band on this planet, it's Against Me!. Now go to bed.

-BSD

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

I agree with the bit about the first sentence, but this isn't too bad of a review, on the whole; and the album is classic, some of the most genuine and heartfelt music I've ever heard (not that Eternal Cowboy isn't, it's just that they're different)

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

theres not a chance i have the attention span to read this whole review. although i agree with the score..

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

That first sentence is horribly worded. Proofread.

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

BSD Should Bendover now. Time to insert the fat black dildo straight up your mud geyser.

Anonymous (December 26, 2003)

FIRST ! sucks! overrated!

-BSD

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