Well, it's cheesy because it's cliched love songs, which takes away a lot of whatever the intended emotion is.

As far as not being able to come up with anything like the Starting Line, you would be correct in saying that I have never written music like the Starting Line's.

-benz

well all i have to say is...
when the hell were there riules for what music people can play...
if they play like that then its not your job to make fun of them..
they're not trying to be anyone..they're just trying to make money and have a job...
and alot of punk bands have thier pop moments...
plus you notice that alot of punk sounds like pop....
ALL OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO APPRECIATE OTHER MUSIC!!!
i listen to punk, emo, screamo, heavy, metal, goth, pop, classical, rock, easy rock, hip hop, reggae, rap, etc..not that i like them all...but hey i appreciate them!!!

if you like the starting line you'll like this awesome band! listen to them at www.purevolume.com/stanley

i love the starting line u no the drummer tom well hes the hottest guy to hit pop punk world (bit my mate thinks benji is)

People who do not like pop punk really should not be reviewing albums put out by pop punk bands... I just found this site today. As I look through I find that the person who reviewed 1980 by Rufio saying something about hating everything pop punk is... Good stuff.

And cheesy? Cheesy because you could never come up with anything near as good. It seems that everything passionate or sensual envolving men is either pussy or gay. We all have to act tuff and pretend we have no feelings.

I do have feelings. I could care less if I am called a pussy but I can't help feeling bad when my girlfriend and I are fighting.

This is a great cd, I would say its better than Say it Like you mean it. Maybe I only say this because its fresh and new. You people should really take the time to listen to it before dismissing it after hearing a lyric that does not involve some kind of violent or "tuff" message.

how can somehting be too pop punk...? ur gay!

The Starting Line is too pop-punk for me.
i'd recommend it to a 12 year old who is interested in the "punk culture," or whatever.
I think everyone goes through that phase before they start liking real music, with good lyrics and good sound. (boys night out, co&ca, the used)

& stop hating you faggots, who listen to HXXXXXC shit.
ps.
theres a huge difference between hardcore/screamo music and punk/emo music.
thats like someone who likes rap saying "country sucks!" or whatever.
so go punch some walls and listen to your atreyu. :)

This album def. rocks and all u fags who are ubsessed with this site def. need a life! for surre... but all those hard core bands def. need to stop doing whatever they do. All they do is scream and u cant even understand them but they think they are better then these guys who actually write songs about real shit instead of how hard core they are... ya i def. dont understand this whole im emo thing.. if yer soo emo and dont care about n e thing why the fuck do u have to make sure everyone knows it..

ALICIA GOT HER LISCENSE!!!!

And the kid with the list is gayyy and so is everyone who agrees with him

all you people who live for this site and ar eubsessed with leaves comments... yea yer gayy!!!
and you with the list of gay bands.. um u need a hooby

They have definetly done better, and their full length album is better, I don't think they suit playing all the acoustic stuff.

At least these lot are better than Mest aka Good Charlotte bum-chums, I mean come on, Mest are a band that have made a name for themselves by being wanked over by Benji from GC.

At least make a justified comment, instead of "Starting Line are shit." It's not helpful or clever, just stupidity. What I'm suprised at is that no-one has labelled this "post-hardcore" or "emo-core" yet, since that's the trend for any1 on here. That if it aint Pantera and has come out within the last two years, it's gotta be emo or post-hardcore!!!!.

....wankers.

the baseball furies kick ass. Oh yeah and IRON FUCKIN MAIDEN!

"If you listen to that and think that they are just making noise, you are nuts. It is heavy, granted, but it is so tight and the musicianship is incredible.

Although hardcore isn't my favorite genre, bands like that listed above show more musicianship than most music I listen to.

Also, I'm not talking "punk hardcore" which is probably what you are referring to in the "yelling about killing the rich" comment."

No, the Dils were not hardcore. Hardcore was originally (and how I like it best) 100 percent passion... Musicality was not the issue.

New hardcore focuses too much on heaviness, not on speed. It sounds like some ugly mix of grind and sludge metal. Fuck that. Compare the Circle Jerks, D.O.A., and Discharge to Snapcase, Helmet, or Converge. New hardcore sounds more like "alternative metal"... That's not to say hardcore can't evolve, but this new stuff just isn't hardcore. It's metal.

"The Shape of Punk to Come" didn't impress me to much... I still like it a lot, but the "originality" you guys found in it had already been done by Crass... Listen to "Stations of the Crass"... It has everything on the Refused... Radio samples, techno dance, dubby bass lines, but really super fast, not to mention instruments anyone who bought "Feeding of the 5000" would least expect to pop up on a Crass record... And political rants, minus the oblique and contradicting lyrics.

-BSD

i will agree w/ whoever posted that yellowcard could do this better. every acoustic song i've heard by them is really good. firewater is one of their best songs. kenny's voice in this band is waaay to gay, only that guy in simple plan has a cornier voice

now i love pop punk, i do, but i heard these guys acoustic song on the punk goes acoustic comp and it was really, really fucking bad. its the reason people shit all over this genre. pop punk would be good if this shit and simple plan, etc. would go away. i mean really, greenday, old blink, limp, old saves the day, midtown, mest, there are some great bands in the genre but it gets to diluted when nfg gone soft sounding bands like this come out

Last person was me by the way.

-Greenvandal

Dude below. Your a fucking moron. Neither Thrice or Glassjaw are hardcore. most of the bands he listed are not hardcore. The locust is not hardcore.

You seem to be confusing old school hardcore as being any band with a old sounding name you never heard of.

You also seem to be confusing new school hardcore with all this genre mixing bullshit.

And lastly, you seem to be confusing idiocy with intelligence.

Go squeeze into your diesels.

what hardcore bands are you referring to that yell about killing the rich? Just so I know where you're coming from.

If you want to listen to some good hardcore check out Misery Signals or As I Lay Dying...

If you listen to that and think that they are just making noise, you are nuts. It is heavy, granted, but it is so tight and the musicianship is incredible.

Although hardcore isn't my favorite genre, bands like that listed above show more musicianship than most music I listen to.

Also, I'm not talking "punk hardcore" which is probably what you are referring to in the "yelling about killing the rich" comment.

Fucking Thriceday and Glassjaw? Come the fuck on! Most of those bands I listed aren't even hardcore bands. And it's not like The Locust are even near my favorite in that list. And the Starting Line still and always will suck syphlitic sack.

"i think it's sad that you have such a huge list of bad music. hardcore music is the worst music on the planet, unless done exceptionally well (i.e. Glassjaw, Thrice)."

Hhahaha... Yeah, when I wanna hear hardcore done right, I put on Thrice and Glassjaw... FYI, most all those bands were not hardcore, either... But you might think so... Most ignorant pop punkers like yourself are scared shitless hearing guys without sculpted haircuts shouting about killing the rich...

FINAL THOUGHTS: You are a dumbass.

-BSD

i think it's sad that you have such a huge list of bad music. hardcore music is the worst music on the planet, unless done exceptionally well (i.e. Glassjaw, Thrice). otherwise, none of you can tell me that it's anything more than kids who had there mommy's buy them guitars so they could make a bunch of noise that sounded scary enough to make them feel a lil less girly (i.e. The terrible terrible Locust).

oh...and the starting line is mildy annoying, but Kenny definately needs to be thrown off a bridge. his voice is crap.

If you like the starting line, then f - you in the b - hole.

I thought the reviewer hated this, but it turns out he doesn't come the last paragraph. Honestly, music like this has no place in the world, not even for little kids. It makes them think this bullshit has some standard of quality and forever sets the bar so low they'll buy anything. I wonder how 2 people who are probably atleast 25 would honestly put this out and actually think it's good. I can bet less than 1% of other people who like this band are over 25, so how could the people who own Drive Thru?? I mean, even if you liked the music, the lyrics are so horrible it not only makes me sad to claim I listen to punk, it actually makes me want to kill myself.

Or descretley under the dinner table.

Good list, Petro. Maybe I'm saying that because I have everything by every on that list (almost). And yes, props to Gen X, and to my version of "Dancing With Myself"... Replace "Dancing" with "Playing"... "When mom's not at home, and I'm really all alone, I'm a-playing with myself"

-BSD

scores for the new tupac movie.

"i love it when you call me big bullet wound to my chest!"

4th & 26.

Because Nirvana would've never had that smash hit, "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Kurt woulda had to pawn his gun.

if ur so hurt by a chick, why even give her the fucking time of day to write a song about it? thats my take

well you did put "love" in that list. thats good then. Is the Coral in that list anywhere? If not check them out, they are Love but on better 21st century cocaine.

Barkley

plus it kinda looks like you listed half those bands just for the sake of having more bands in the list. C'mon the Humpers?

Barkley

The Humpers are sure as hell not as good as the Starting Line. Keep in mind that I hold the Starting Line in the same regard as sr-71. The Humpers? thats gotta be a joke or something

Barkley

Screeching Weasel.
Fuck Yeah!

Dignin, you should at least know 1/3 to half of these bands. Get searchin'!

there is a band called the baseball furies? that movie has been picked clean by bands that need names.

Holy shit bud!
That's quite the list of bands just to make a point ;)
And yes The Starting Line suck balls
They should be banished from the planet ...

I would agree with you Petro but I havent heard of many of those bands.

There are a couple bands/artists better than this........Tyrades, Robert Johnson, Spits, Misfits, Rolling Stones, Black Flag, Big Black, Black Sabbath, White Flag, Wire, Slits, Vandals, Von Zippers, Von Bondies, Randoms, X, Circle Jerks, Undead, NoFX, Elvis, Elvis Costello, Blondie, The Ramones, The Queers, Screeching Weasel, FEAR, The Germs, Marked Men, The Mummies, The Gories, The Dirtbombs, Guitar Wolf, Lydia Lunch, 5678's, Shonen Knife, Electric Eel Shock, The Shocks, Tom Waits, The Oblivions, '68 Comeback, The Monks, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Sam The Sham, Nick Cave, Easy Action, Minor Threat, The Baseball Furies, Dag Nasty, ODB, Humpers, New Bomb Turks, Nirvana, Johnny Thunders, New York Dolls, Jayne County, Patti Smith, The MC5, The fucking STOOGES, gwar, The Dwarves, River City Rapists, The Bulemics, Turbonegro, Motley Crue, Captain Beefheart, Jimi Hendrix, JFA, Elvis Hitler, Nekromantix, Tiger Army, Mad Sin, Guana Batz, Batmobile, Bratmobile, Bikini Kill, Bauhaus, Christian Death, Rhino39, Geza X, Josie Cotton, The Go-go's, The Adolescents, ADZ, DMZ, The Lyres, Black Lips, The Lids, Gore gore Girls, Radio Birdman, Rose Tattoo, Maddness, AcDc, Specials, The Little Killers, The Cramps, Screaming Jay Hawkins, Screaming Lord Sutch, Pansy Division, Green Day, Smashing Pumpkins, Hot Beef Injection, Riffs, Riff Ranells, Evaporators, The Sights, THe Monokulators, Zodiac Killers, Agent Orange, TSOL, Social D, Angry Samoans, Dead Kennedys, Dead Milkmen, Link Wray, Day-glo Abortions, Anal Cunt, Assuck, LES Stitches, The Stitches, The Ends, The Briefs, The no-talents, SLF, Motorhead, Raw Power, The Bordoms, Sonic Youth, The Sonics, Youth Brigade, SOA, Undertones, The Buzzcocks, Boris THe Sprinkler, The Boys, The Yobs, Kill-a-Watts, Watts, Gaza Strippers, Catholic Boys, DRI, DI, Arab on Radar, The Piranhas, The Doors, Iron Butterfly, Motor city Wrecks, Mud City Manglers, Rubber City Rebels, Murder City Devils, Catholic Dicipline, The Bags, The Bangs, The Eyes, Human Eyes, Mary Mondays, Sic Fucks, Mad, The Accused, Green Jelly, Billy Idol, Gen X, Zeke, The Yeah Yeah Yeahs, D4, The Hives, The White Stripes, Johnny Cash, Hank Williams sr, Hank III, Feederz, Butthole Surfers, Big Boys, Dead Boys mother fuckers!!!!!, !!!, Le Shok, Los Straitjackets, Deadbolt, Bomboras, Pagans, Devil Dogs, The Dogs, Missing Persons, Devo, Les Sexareenos, Del-gators, Nomeansno, Buddy Holly, Weezer, Tenacious D, Gun Club, Jon Spencer Blues Explosion, Deadly Snakes, Feast of Snakes, Panther Burns, The Panthers, Mooney Suzuki, Gas Huffer, Gasoline, Gasolheads, Riverboat Gamblers, Sagger, Hoss, Boss Hog, Stray Cats, The Clash, The Sex Pistols, Velvets, Lou Reed, Iggy, Gene Vincent, Eddie Cochran, Gang of Four, Laughing Hyenas, Dropsy, GLoryholes, Spaceshits, Pork Dukes, Wasted Youth, The Trashbrats, Lord High Fixers, Coyote Shivers, Coyote Men, Men of Porn, GLass Candy and the Shattered Theater, Fucky, Subtonix, Subsonics, Subway Sect, Ritchie Whites, Dropkick, Op Ivy, Drugs, RKL, JOykiller, Red Aunts, Blacktop, The Screws, FiFi, The Weirdos, Howard Werth, X-cops, Mystery Girls, Concubine Forming, Speedball Baby, Backyard Babies, The Spiders, The Seeds, The Cynics, THe Castaways, Monomen, Brainiac, Trashmen, Trashwomen, The Flakes, The Orphans, Rocket From THe Tombs, Rocket From The Crypt, Love, Kidnappers, The Hentchmen, The Hunches, Dirty Sweets, Manda and the Marbles, Los Murauders, Locust, Hellacopters, Gluecifer, Supersuckers, The Damned, One Man Army, Lantern Jack, FM Knives, Exploding Hearts, Valentinos, Detroit Cobras, Fondas, Bloody Hollies, Tears, Sleazies, Rev. Horton Heat, Ween, Bellrays, Nobodys, Gotohells, Functional Blackouts, Rolling BLackouts, The Riots, Peeps, The Beatings, The Vultures, Dukes of Hamburg, Andre Williams, The Rats, Perack Attack, Atom and his Package, Har Mar Superstar, Hot Beef Injection, Midnight Evils, Whores Of Babylon, Bill Bondsmen, Kill The Hippies, The Necros, Negative Approach, Nashville Pussy, The Cherry Valence, Bo Diddley 9 lb hammer, Sugar Shack, Immortal Lee County Killers, Hasil Adkins, Bob Log III, Thee Milkshakes, Thee Pushers, Thee Mighty Ceasers, Thee Headcoats, The Headcoatees, Billy Childish, Holly Golightly, Broke Review, The Hospitals, Voluptuous Horror Of Karen Black, Testors, The Reatards, Lost Sounds, Bambi Molesters, Blatz, The Business, AAA, LoC, CV, F-minus, Rancid, Bantam Rooster, Scat Rag Boosters, NY Niggers, GG Allin, Real Kids, Rip Offs, The Offs, The Beatles, Johnny Lee Hooker, Billie Hollyday, Charlie Parker, Muddy Waters, Yardbirds, Love, Shadows of Knight, Led Zepplin, The Who, Crime, The Avengers, Dils, Skulls, THe Dickies, Bow Wow Wow, Meatmen, Meat puppets, Flipper, Vox Pop, Dark Carnival, Destroy All Monsters, Mazinga, Andrew WK, The Zillionares........And that's just the tip of the motherfucking iceberg!

'rxbandits on drive thru is like Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football... they just don't fit'

Couldn't have said it better myself. Fuck Dennis Miller.

This shit sucks.

Stop with it. No, no, really. stop.

I can't stop listening to this song "Firewater" by Yellowcard. I think I seriously have a problem. Help me.

Yellowcard could have done this much better.

Make yourself a homo!

Kenny got me really really really high one time.

other than that i don't care about this band.

he still can't sing well.

for good acoustic music listen to Kristofer Astrom, Christian Kjellvander, or Tiger Lou (who released the best EP of this past year with "Trouble and Desire"). check them all out, you won't be disappointed.

Benz-

Score is adjusted.

-Scott

rxbandits on drive thru is like Dennis Miller on Monday Night Football... they just don't fit

Listening to this is like your girlfriend breaking up with you, then when you turn around she breaks your legs, ties you to her bed, and injects your veins with acid once every few hours.

Except it really really sucks.

audio cancer

are people still getting sued for downloading music on kazaa? i might download a couple super chick friendly songs, to put on a cd for if i ever find some chick to make a cd for. i wish i had a little sister who would buy this so i could hear it

i'd rather have unprotected anal sex with magic johnson than listen to this vile piece of complete and total trash.

This is a really good acoustic album. The geeks that don't like this are ignorant.

nobody will know, hear or remember this god awful band in 3 years. the lord works in wonderful ways, doesn't he?

i....did not know that. i get the impression the owners molest kids for a living.

Oh and Drive-Thru made them rerecord the whole thing with choruses after the original recording. That's why it got like a 6-month delay.

this cd is actually pretty good, especially when compared to their full length. they recorded it themselves and the casio is a very nice touch. for a 19 year old kid, you cant ask for much more. besides, he gets more ass than everyone here combined...and who doesnt think thats cool?

normally i would agree with the below statement. minus the bear is really really good. however, track 4 honestly has a minus the bear feel with some twangy guitar parts and the casio keyboard.

plus you are making that statement based on past knowlege of the band. this EP is their best material, and you haven't listened to this cd. hey blink 182 released a good cd, why can't these guys release a non-bad one?

-benz

don't compare this shit to minus the bear.

I didn't enjoy this very much. It was an ok acoustic EP, but it won't frequent my stereo very much. Hope the new album is better.

-Eric

hey, i wrote this, and after listening to it a couple more times i want to change my review to a 5.

Here's my explaination. I'm not a fan of starting line, i dont like their generic pop punk that much at all. drive-thru kinda brings it on themselves when they sign bands that all sound the same (sans Rx Bandits). since i want to keep my punk points to cash in later for some sweet studded jewelry, i only bought this album because i had 7 bucks left on a walmart gift card and i heard the first track already (the best track).

all in all this cd is not bad. which, i suppose, is an accomplishment.

anyway, if any moderator dudes could change it to a 5 star review, even though you don't have proof that this is actually benz (i forget my password), that would be cool

-benz

eh.. have to say although i have grown out of the whole pop punk scene.. i still do like this band ((but i do realize the gayness of that as well)). and for putting out an acoustic cd its good. basically, if you have any interest what so ever in this band pick it up.. and if not, then dont, cause its just not your style..

-see how we can all live together?! without being like ah that music is shit, mines better, fock you. yea.. exactly.

of course thats why emo/pop bands like this sing about breakups! jesus! they want ass, what 18-25 yr old guy doesnt want to hook up w/ some girl? it doesnt make them hipocrits or assholes. write breakup songs and love songs cuz thats the shit girls like to hear. "oh i'm so sensitive, i cry." it doesnt mean that their elaborate schemers trying to use girls. they just are writing songs that girls like, and songs all about girls, because thats what they like. girls that listen to this band want to fuck them and they want ass. all parties are happy.

i mean THIS score

Haha this score is for the Related Link, that was l33t.

This is tolerable and nothing much more.

We must reiterate... shitty

I doubt I have much cred to begin with, but I'm sure I'll lose the remainder of it with the following statement:

This EP isn't all that bad.

-Scott

Shitty band, but really good review.

comment below was mine, forgot to sign in.

no, youre right. fuck this shitty ass band.

To the guy who says they get mad ass, therein lies the hypocracy of this whole pop punk emo shit.

Its like "Oh my heart is so broken cause this one girl dumped me, so Ill write all these songs about how depressed and alone I am, and then all the chicks will give themselves up to me". Seems kinda contradictory to me.

Or maybe Im just bitter and jaded.

shitty. just shitty.

sounds like a horrible album.

sounds pretty band and u still give it a 6? first!
the starting line are just a bunch of watered down nfg clones. i'm jealous, i bet they get mad ass, they have to w/ all these songs about breakups. i heard the lyrcs to the first album were based on the kenny's girlfriend he dated for 2 months and then got dumped. wow. 2 months. that mustve stung. he knows pain no man could ever imagine.