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Fat Mike has a dream, that one day we will all be free of the oppression of George W. Bush. Rock Against Bush Vol 1 shows that he's not alone in his dream, and the caliber of talent on here assures that the basic message of "Bush is a twit" will be getting to thousands very soon. The compilation.
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Fat Mike has a dream, that one day we will all be free of the oppression of George W. Bush. Rock Against Bush Vol 1 shows that he's not alone in his dream, and the caliber of talent on here assures that the basic message of "Bush is a twit" will be getting to thousands very soon.

The compilation is made up mostly of previously unreleased material, but luckily, very little of it falls into the "it's unreleased for a reason" category. Highlights are all over the thing, starting with None More Black's "Nothing To Do When You're Locked In A Vacancy." Kicking off the comp by kicking the listener in the ass, Jason Svechuk and company make me ask the question "why wasn't your full-length packed with songs as good as this?" Akaline Trio's "Warbrain" is a strong Skiba-sung effort, on par with the band's typical above-par compilation contributions. Against Me!'s electric version of "Sink, Florida, Sink" turns the song into a drunken singalong, increasing it's fun factor tenfold. The Get Up Kids' "Lion And The Lamb" is better than about every other song on Guilt Show. Rise Against shows that their sound hasn't changed at all since signing to a major, and leaves me anxiously awaiting their new material.

One of the biggest letdowns was the Rx Bandits' "Overcome (The Recapitulation)." Don't get me wrong, I love the song - I just thought the band would want to contribute a track specially written for the occasion. And while we're on the topic of ska, I should take time out to mention the new Descendents song - it's a ska song. Seriously.

The CD flows surprisingly well from band to band. considering some of the genre-hopping going on here [The Ataris into Pennywise into Denali? Somehow it works.]. The only big drawback is some of the songs are missing a lot in the production part, mainly the Offspring and Social Distortion tracks [both of these songs are over a decade old].

The DVD that accompanies the compilation is obviously very left-wing oriented, but presented in a way where it's not too radical. The inclusion of the anti-Bush commercials created through MoveOn.org is nice, as is the inclusion of a handful of music videos from Strike Anywhere and NOFX, among others. The liner notes are also presented in a way where it's intelligent without sounding stuffy - as it's written inside the CD: "This compilation is not about making a profit; it's about making a difference. It's not about 'let's be punk rock and hate the government'; it's about 'let's be punk rock and change the government.' It's not about who's a sellout or who's more punk; it's about uniting against a common enemy." It hasn't been said more succicently than that yet, and I commend Fat Mike and company for putting the effort they did into this release.

A worthy cause, a worthy purchase.

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cannsaw (October 24, 2006)

I don't think "Sad State Of Affairs" is ska really.

miff (October 12, 2006)

a good point about bush remaining in power:
better music is made when theres a crap president in office i mean look at the 80s in britain would we ahve such great bands like the exploited if it wasnt for mrs thatcher
would the clash be as good if we lived under a free government
i think not so for good music we need to be opressed
tho is it worth it?

miff (October 12, 2006)

in the anti-flag song they complain about sweat shops but then the t shirt i got from their gig is a fruit of the loom which is a swaet shop.
now does that not seema bit contradictory?

Snakes (September 8, 2006)

2 years and wher'e still alive, by the way , lot of good the cd did in getting Bush out of the white house ha ha ha! WAR YALL! deal with it left wing pussies!

Anonymous (November 11, 2004)

Scor is for the outcome of the election. We are all going to die in the next four years

hate

dam mad

Anonymous (September 5, 2004)

you people wouldn't know the truth if it shit on you. some of the bands on this bullshit cd were my favorite. I'll never listen to them again. It's not like i didn't know, after all most people in the music industry are liberal skum. How ever like you idiots they should open ther minds and learn the truth about John Fonda Kerry and the rest of the socilist in the democratic party.

Anonymous (May 7, 2004)

Pretty good compilation. My favourite tracks are the ones by None More Black, Alkaline Trio, Rise Against, Descendents, Strung Out (amazing track).. And the New Found Glory one. Yeah, I admit it, I think it's really good.

-Main

Anonymous (May 5, 2004)

Hmm not so bad. But I would like to know what Fat does with his billions of dollars he earned in the last few years...

Anonymous (May 1, 2004)

In comparison to most of the other garbage on this album, Ministry are defiitely independent and great. DOA/ Jello's track is the only one that I REALLY like...but I've had that song for 13 years now, I'm eagerly awaiting The Melvins Jello project. Why not put one of those songs on this thing, along with other AT bands. This comp needed more violent protest anthems to it, it's just too nice....it's like saying "hehehe we don't like you bush hehehe" when we should be saying...."We want your head on stick and to rape your children"...it's not literal...but it gets the disered attention and effect that it needs. This is just (mostly) a bunch of pop bands and alt rock bands contributing songs....with a few punk rock guys thrown in for measure. I do however apprecciate the effort andf all bands even the shitty ones on this comp get my respect for atleast trying. Future ideas for an anti-bush comp- get Ice T & Body count, Henry Rollins and whatever new band is backing him, Jello, Amen, F Minus, Paint It Black, or Black Cross to contribute, their names arent as money making but they are way more respectable and ball busting.

Anonymous (April 29, 2004)

I was just alerted to the garbage on this site by some Ministry fans. Listen, people, Ministry is not a mainstream band. They never sold millions of records. Also, they are pioneers of a genre of music called Industrial rock. The industrial genre is essentially what came after punk in the 70's when punk bands sold out and became commerical. Industrial was a combination of electronics and "found sounds" or samples. It was extremely confrontational anti-music that was first started by the group, Throbbing Gristle. Other groups followed Throbbing Gristle's lead such as SPK, Einsturzende Neubauten, and Skinny Puppy. In the mid-80's Ministry came along and combined elements of Industrial music with rock to create the industrial rock sub-genre. They were, in fact, very influential, whether you like thier music or not. If Ministy would have never come along there are a lot of bands that wouldn't even exist today. Oh yeah, and they were influential before LARD even came out with a CD so saying it's just because he met Jello Biafra is pretty silly. Listen, people, this album is fighting for a very important cause and I feel that's a hell of a lot more important than how you feel about a band on the CD or what genre this CD is supposed to be about. It's Called Rock Against Bush and Ministry is considered a rock band. Also, if you check out Punk Voter there are plenty of other bands on there that aren't punk. I support their efforts and if they want to get bands from other genres to work with them then more power to them. They need all of the help they can get to spread the word.

Anonymous (April 28, 2004)

Ministry is Industrial! They're also not mainstream. Go listen to Land of Rape and Honey and tell me that's a mainstream album.

Anonymous (April 28, 2004)

Ministry arent even punk. There fucking metal. Just because there friends with Jello Biafra doesnt meant there pioneers of anything.

Anonymous (April 27, 2004)

"Ministry has contributed more to music than most of these punk bands ever will. Al Jourgensen and his bands Ministry, REVCO, and LARD are some of the most influential groups in the Industrial metal music genre. Without them there are a lot of bands that wouldn't even exist today. Your statement just shows how completely ignorant you are when it comes to music."

Ministry is mainstream crap. This artist has nothing to do with the independent scene and doesn't belong on the comp.

Anonymous (April 27, 2004)

Your right it is good, one of the few though. Im so glad Rise Against haven't changed their sound after signing to Dreamworks. Give it All has to be the best song on the album by far.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

The Strung Out song is awesome! Best song on the comp by far.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

Jennie Finch is NOT hot, you've just been brainwashed by fat mike and the liberal media!

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

New topic: Jennie Finch is hot. Score's for Jennie Finch.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

Ministry has contributed more to music than most of these punk bands ever will. Al Jourgensen and his bands Ministry, REVCO, and LARD are some of the most influential groups in the Industrial metal music genre. Without them there are a lot of bands that wouldn't even exist today. Your statement just shows how completely ignorant you are when it comes to music.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

Ministry sucks. Simplistic lyrics, horrible vocals, repetitve music. This is aimed towards the guy who said Ministry's contribution was the summit of the comp.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

Bush = awesome for political hardcore

Bush = bad for real world, though.

Anonymous (April 26, 2004)

This album was a dissapointment basically because some of the bands like sum 41, nfg and the ataris. Their contributions are plain poor. I was quite dissapointed with the anti-flag song too. The speech was just a lame attempt to catch the spark 911 for peace left.

Shouts to Rise Against, NMB, Strike Anywhere (Even though not a new song there one fucking good band) and strung out who kept the album half decent.

Anonymous (April 25, 2004)

Good cause. However, I'm not a fan of most of these bands except for Ministry and Jello Biafra(Dead Kennedys). The Ministry track rocks! One of their best tracks in years! The version of No W found on the album is an exclusive version of the song. A different one will be on their new album, Houses Of The Molé. The album is worth a purchase for that exclusive song alone. Ministry is in a league of their own and these other pop punk bands can't compete. Take that poser punks!

magnificent7 (April 25, 2004)

its a pretty good comp.

The against me track is great.

I was hoping the offspring would of re recorded baghdad but its the same version they recorded about 10 years ago.

RsOmBiItNh (April 24, 2004)

PS---> Sum 41's contribution on the comp. is pretty wicked...i have always thought that SUm 41's lyrics were pretty impressive and advanced for their genre of music that they have been categorized in, but this seems to be a step ahead for them musically. Props to SUM 41!

RsOmBiItNh (April 24, 2004)

Wicked comp....not too sure about New FOund Glory track? aggreeance with the "sticks out like a sore thumb" comment....can't knock them for putting the effort forth tho....Fat Mike must see something in them (just not sure what,..?)
Highlights are definitely Strike Anywhere and Authority Zero's contributions....and the new Rise Against track, who are definitely one of my fav. bands, and have been eager to see what their sound is since being signed to Dreamworks......oh yes, and The Descendents track is great (of course, duh, its The Descendents...) and definitely NOT ska....
Oh yes, and whoever asked about who's gonna be on Vol. 2 mentioned Propagandhi......so i guess they were asleep when that whole Fat Mike/Propagandhi controversy went on? Their political views kinda clashed on this one, dealing with a particular track that Propagandhi wanted to put on the comp., so then ended up being offered a spot on Vol. 2, (along with other amazing bands like The Lawrence Arms, etc) but sadly ended up declining. Meh, u cant win 'em all Fat Mike...

Anonymous (April 24, 2004)

"Everybody in the world say that G.W.Bush is an asshole. I come from Switzerland. It's the same in France, Germany... He is a bad joke. I think that only the american poeple are blind"
--- "If you guys got the same bullshit media coverage we do, a lot of Euros would be fooled too."

Just got back from London (you know, in the UK - our allies in Bush's Iraq fiasco) where the media covered the war in great detail and I couldn't find anyone - ANYONE - who was in favor of Dubya's landgrab for his oil company puppetmasters.

Tony Blair is barely hanging on to his PM position and with most of the EU bailing out on Bush because of his misinformation and misdirection, Blair will soon be a minority of one among the Coalition of the Duped.

You can be a hardass fratboy steroidhead Bushitter if you want, but what Ann Coulter ain't telling you (and you should know) is that after the election (if Georgie boi can steal another one) Dubya's bringing back the draft and you ain't getting into the Texas Nat'l Guard unless your daddy was in "Skull and Bones" at Yale...

Oh btw, the comp was great, Alkaline Trio and NoFX tracks being top 3 - After Jello Biafra & DOA

- Gil
NYC
"This is a Public Service Announcement... with guitars!"

Anonymous (April 24, 2004)

George W. is awesome dude. I hope he can come to my golf club and play some golf with me (republicans only golf club)

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

besides the good intentions, epoxies and jello biafra w. DOA rule the day

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

life without bush? what would we complain about then?

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

i'm tired of this poo poo. we're all gonna blow up or burn to death anyways, so let's just enjoy the music, do some drugs, and fuck like rabbits. WOO HOO!

Haggard (April 23, 2004)

"1- The Nader cost Gore the election line is tired- and inaccurate. Gore couldn't carry his own state, many 3rd party candidates captured more than the final difference between Bush and Gore in Florida, and there's the major matter of 5 US Supreme Court Justices who STOPPED the recount. Go to resources like http://www.gregpalast.com for more information."

Well, I semi agree with you. Nader recieved three million votes in Florida. Now, Gore only lost by 500 votes. Don't you think it's plausible that out of the three million who voted for Nader that a few thousand would vote for Gore?

-Justin

magnificent7 (April 23, 2004)

left is right.

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

first

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

edit: what

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

say way you want about america, but at least we don't have "Now that's what i call music 57"

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

Best communist is a beheaded communist

magnificent7 (April 23, 2004)

why do yanks hate the left so much ?

magnificent7 (April 23, 2004)

left or right, commie or capitalist, you yanks can not only fight wars under false pretences, you also manage to fight about who knows the best anti -bush info. You all seem to share a similar common goal, yet you argue and fight among yourselves trying to get one up on others. This is the reason things are so wrong in this world.

Oh well, i still think we have it better in euroland, free healthcare, benifits, we dont have to salute flags, its all good. Yeh we pay a bit more tax, but we reap the rewards.

Oh and back on topic. OMG BUSH IS A WNKER! OI OI OI!

no seriously, you shouldnt be worrying about gay marriages,you should be worried that your insistence to put economy before enviorenment is going to kill us before any imaginary iraqi terrorist, or some backlash to israeli state sponsored terrorism. despite the state being sponsored by the U.S.

meh,

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

great CD. i got this yesterday. 95 percent of the tracks are great.

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

Yeah, Suicide Machines are fucking awesome.

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

""I hope my country had a president like Bush..."

how can you hope in the past tense like that

i hope i had spaghetti for dinner last night

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

I hope my country had a president like Bush...

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

http://first182.com/tom2.jpg

Tom Delonge and John Kerry.....

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

bush is a faggot!!!!

mikeinflames (April 23, 2004)

i think we should just all agree that any further discussion of Bush on this site should refer to female pubic hair and not that idiot running your country
cause after all would you rather be thinking of a sexy lady with pubic hair or that old dude

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

"...and what about France? What a shithole. They fucking tried to (I don't know if it ever went through) ban the wearing of jewelery that displays a religious symbol
"

yes and we call french fries "freedom fries" in DC cafeterias because french fries are from belgium but were too fucking dumb to realize that.

Yea france is a real shithole, lets bomb the Louvre, who needs all that art anyway?

Go kill yourself you ignorant fuck

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

Howe the fuck is sad state of affairs (descendents) a ska song dumbasses?!

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

"Seriously - acknowledge that while the system might not be run by the best person (I personally think it is, but I do wish he'd seriously curtail spending) it is still the best system the world has seen and has proven to be the standard against which other governments are held and the model against which new ones are formed. "

I have a few problems with this. If you mean "best system" as in "best system to get rich in and potentially have a very high standard of living" then I agree. It is harder to do so now though, 100 years ago, yea, it was pretty amazing, guys like andrew carnegie could come over to america, be poor as shit and then turn into the equivelent today of a billionair, and it still happens every now and then. However, the way the system is set now is that you pretty much have to be born into wealth. Their is very little upward mobility anymore. While people in Canada don't have as good of doctors and the ability to get as rich, they do however have socialized medicine, i believe this is an improvment over our system. Many other countries celebrate more freedoms than we do also, like sweden, denmark etc. Also in terms of education our country is pretty pathetic. We do not put much stock in our teachers, we pay them shit and then complain they get paid too much, whereas in Japan, teachers are held in the same esteem as doctors. I think were like 20th in education, meaning although we are the most powerful nation in terms of money nad military, were dumb as shit and poor people can't get medicine also. We also have a pretty big unemployment problem. To say we'er the "best" is just a typical american ethnocentric statement. Why must we always insist we are better than everyone? OUR Systems the best GOD blesses OUR country. Its nationalism and its dangerous. We are the richist, we have the best army. We are not the smartest, we do not have more freedoms than every other country (at least 6 countries have more freedoms than we do) we do not have the best health care system (although the best doctors) and our preemptive war policy is a bit naziesque. We have taken over 2 countries in the past 2 years and if Bush gets reelected you can add North Korea to that list and probably someone else (most likeley mideast). So talk about how great we are and how bush is the man for the job, and listen to pulley while you get shipped off to North Korea next summer to fight a war for dubious reasons (liberation maybe, or Weopons that don't exist, or to overthrow an 'evil man'...if thats the case we better get ready to overthrow saudi arabia, cuba and a shitload other dictators.)

I love america, i love the music, the freedom etc. But the patriot act and this war are testing my resolve. This country is fucked right now. We live in constant fear of fake terrorist attacks and therefore agree w/ anything the government says its doing to make us safer, giving the gov. unlimited power. Patriot act? sure go pass it. War on Iraq? Ok , the sound like terrorists. Gays shouldnt marry? your right, lets put them in concentraiton camps. Mars is the shit? ok,lets spend another billion. More drug testing in school? sure , we wouldnt want another coke head DUI haveing leader of this country would we Mr. Bush.

You can't teach in the state of PA w/ a DUI on your record....but you can have more than one and run the country! Huzzah! what a responsible president!

God bless america

ilikebandssuchasopivy (April 23, 2004)

Maybe we should try Rocking TOWARDS Bush first.

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

I actually read all (or at least most of the comments - some of that shit that Seth kid wrote was way too fucking long) and I wasn't gonna comment because, let's be honest here, arguing about politics on a punk site is about as pointless as arguing about punk music on a punk site. But when I read this comment - "the majority of Europe makes the US look like third world country, politically speaking the US is where Europe was 200 years ago" - I couldn't help but laugh and chuckle at the ignorance. 200 years ago was 1804 - and Europe was a vastly different place. France was just emerging from its revolution, Italy and Germany weren't even countries in today's sense, Russia was dominated by a Czar (or Tsar if you prefer) and Europe was still to see several traumatic and catastrophic wars. If anything, Europe has become more like America in the last 200 years. Look at the EU - Europe is trying to consolidate along Federalist and Republican (not the party, but ideas relating to a Republic) ideals to become a counterweight to American supremacy and economic dominance. To say Europe is more politically advanced is just absurd - I mean Italy alone has had like 20 different governments or something.

Seriously - acknowledge that while the system might not be run by the best person (I personally think it is, but I do wish he'd seriously curtail spending) it is still the best system the world has seen and has proven to be the standard against which other governments are held and the model against which new ones are formed.

Oh, and Pulley fucking rules.

Anonymous (April 23, 2004)

The Suicide Machines latest album has more anti-bush, anti-neocon, anti-war songs than this comp.

I sure hope the Suicide Machines have a song on Vol. 2.

By the way if you don't have the Suicide Machines latest album, "A Match and Some Gasoline," GET IT!!!

hayato_the_ninja (April 23, 2004)

This comp isn't that good. I am sad.

- H

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

I love how it is simply the catch all of everyone and every country to blame Bush.

Did not Congress pass a whole bunch of resolutions allowing Bush to maintain all of the work he is doing?

Is Al Gore not a complete crybaby? If Al Gore had been elected president, we would still be getting repeatedly kicked in the nuts by Osama, not to mention what Saddam would have pulled when he saw we weren't retaliating.

Granted, perhaps it was a wrong time to take out Saddam, but did he not cause enough problems?

No offense to Europe, but mind your own business... Just because France/Russia have millions of dollars tied up in Iraq and the rest of you are too liberal to care...

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"the majority of Europe makes the US look like third world country, politically speaking the US is where Europe was 200 years ago, if it were entirely up to the religious right and the republicans we would be living in a puritan society."

That's funny, because the US is a whole hell of a lot younger than the European countries. Of course our political ways will be seen as outdated.

...and what about France? What a shithole. They fucking tried to (I don't know if it ever went through) ban the wearing of jewelery that displays a religious symbol.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

In other news, Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen have included Modest Mouse's new record amongst their "hip-picks!"

http://mary-kateandashley.com/hip_picks/

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"the majority of Europe makes the US look like third world country, politically speaking the US is where Europe was 200 years ago, if it were entirely up to the religious right and the republicans we would be living in a puritan society."

You're right. Lets burn all them Christians and crucify them like just the Romans did. Heck, if they don't agree us, we'll just banish them. We cant possibly have differing minds and opinions in this country! Tying "Religious" people in with politics and saying they are all conservative intolerant buffoons(essentially what you are doing) is closest to a closed minded intolerance as you can get. This arrogant mind set is what destroys our country the most.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

If you chance the "R" in "rock" for a "C," you get something entirely different!

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Mmmyeah, I like blonde girls with black bushes. It's so freaky!

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

the descendents song is not a ska song, there notes separated by a pause. doesnt mean its a ska riff. morons.

are you people retarded?

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

How bout we all quit arguing and agree on one FACT....Amerikkka is a highly uneducated, highly OVERRATED, self rightgeous, over polluted toilet run by silver spoon fed politicians and the religious right. Facts are facts people.....and this little harmless CD, though made with good intentions, isn't going to get anyone's attention. And, another thing, why is it that patriots always try to defend Amerikkka by saying "Hey, if you don't like it go live in Iraq or North Korea."...it's like, why don't you compare Amerikkka to a NON third world country and see how well it holds up lol....not very well...the majority of Europe makes the US look like third world country, politically speaking the US is where Europe was 200 years ago, if it were entirely up to the religious right and the republicans we would be living in a puritan society.

CrankWillDestroy (April 22, 2004)

'This score is for girls who don't shave downtown'

You must have to floss a lot. Funny comment, nonetheless.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

if a few million is thrown in your face and you have a decent excuse to misuse your powers... would you? what is more important to you? money or respect from less than half of the US population?

rxbandito24 (April 22, 2004)

The strung out song on this comp is absolutely disgusting. do they have a new full length coming out any time soon? i sure hope so

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"BSD, your an annoyance, and your left-wing propagandha tricks are just born out of an ignorance.

you don't give a shit about people who have it tough. You just are some kid who was picked on, and wants to bring the downfall of anyone who is sucessful.

shut up, and let the music play."

What music? Skrewdriver? And what's "An Annoyance"? You spelled "you're" "your". Ignorant.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

you guys are niggers!!!!

lushj (April 22, 2004)

1- The Nader cost Gore the election line is tired- and inaccurate. Gore couldn't carry his own state, many 3rd party candidates captured more than the final difference between Bush and Gore in Florida, and there's the major matter of 5 US Supreme Court Justices who STOPPED the recount. Go to resources like http://www.gregpalast.com for more information.

2- I'm surprised by the posters who say "fuck politics, music won't change anything". That's incorrect, and a sad comment on your individual outlooks on art and life.

3- Me, I'm running for local office. If you're interested learning more, or in donating time or money, please go to townleyforcouncil.org
4- I wrote: "A real leader is able to stand up and say 'I am in charge, and this awful event happened on my watch." So far, the Bush Administration has chosen NOT to stand up and take responsibility."Anonymous replied, "This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. How can you seriously blame just one man (President) for a heinous crime that slipped in the back door?"
There's a difference between someone taking responsibility and someone taking the blame. It's one of the downsides of being a leader- even if you are not directly to blame for a catastrophe, if it occurs on your watch it's proper to take responsibility (if not necessarily the blame). Sorry you misunderstood.

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

Hahahaha, Mikeinflames, I was gonna make a similar comment. Except mine went:

I love to rock against bush. All night, getting all sweaty...

But sometimes I prefer to pound against bush, or slowly against bush.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"i'm assuming most of us are 18 on this board right now, so if enough of us unite in a vote, even if it is nader (!) it will show a huge stance the neo-liberalism and imperialism of the current administration(and past ones). even if nader get 13% it will show a lot of people want change."

Dumbass: that's what happened in the last election, people threw support to Nader and the Green Party ... and it allowed Bush to squeak past Gore into the White House. NO! BAD!

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

[i]you could listen to a million songs and not learn as much as you would from one book, or even a newspaper. 50 word poems filled with unintelligent rhetoric will not exactly make George Bush be quiverring in his boots, so why make this CD? Probably because it is a clever marketing cd; kids think it is cool to hate your government, they have no real idea why but when asked, theyre pretty sure that 'george bush is a cunt'.[/i]

Good call. And, no... Libertarians are not "stealth Republicans".

The main problem with these type of albums is that the people listening to them parrot whatever their favorite bands say. And, lets be real... the bands are using this as a [i]marketing angle[/i]. Bush isn't a fire breathing baby eater and he isn't a "common enemy" either. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and an ounce of objectivity can see that. Like him or not, this "Bush is Hitler" crap's getting old.

mikeinflames (April 22, 2004)

Personally I love Bush
I hate it when i get a female home and she's all trimmed up and baldheaded down there
I prefer them au natural!

This score is for girls who don't shave downtown

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

i'm gonna end this discussion right now.
i'm assuming most of us are 18 on this board right now, so if enough of us unite in a vote, even if it is nader (!) it will show a huge stance the neo-liberalism and imperialism of the current administration(and past ones). even if nader get 13% it will show a lot of people want change.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

What's wrong with that guy Bush anyway.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Fuck democrats, fuck republicans, support NSDAP!!

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

*hear

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

Whenever I here a country club mentioned, I always think of the Karate Kid.

Mmmmm.....spaghetti.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"I'm done arguing about politics."

It's about time.

Perhaps you should learn a thing or two about a topic before attempting to argue about it.

CrankWillDestroy (April 22, 2004)

Seth Cohen is a fag.

Haggard (April 22, 2004)

Libertarians are stealth Republicans.

-Justin

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

fuck your american tax dollars there are maimed children in iraq and afghanistan asswipes

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Fuck Bush Fuck Kerry Fuck our two party piece of shit system and fuck you

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"If your Dad and your whole family was truly liberal, you wouldn't be voting for Kerry. Frankly, being a Democrat at a country club isn't shocking, or in fact, mildly surprising. The Democrats favor big government, and give a lot, if not just as many, corporate handouts as the Republicans do."

What I meant by "liberal" is that my Dad cares about things besides corporate handouts (like he gets any, he runs his own small business, privately owned and founded by himself) and tax breaks. He oposes the war in Iraq, he supports gay marrige, etc.

"So basically, if youre a member of a country club (aka in a higher tax bracket...and dont jump all over me here for this - you know most members of CC's are going to be in the higher tax bracket. It's not a stereotype, just a fact), youre gaining just as much from a Democratic president than a Republican one."
again, people with money (yes my dad is rich) do actually think about things besides how to get more money and tax breaks. My dad is concerned about the welfare of other people in this country and this world.

"If you really wanted to turn heads at a country club, vote libertarian (who want to eliminate the income tax and corporate handouts), or another third party candidate." yea that would really turn heads, i wasn't saying that, i was just saying not everyone in a CC is a republican or a greedy power crazed old man. Some people just belong to country clubs cuz their parents did. like me, like my dad. CC's dont hurt anyone, I don't know what the big deal is. yea you gotta have money to belong, someones gotta pay for the upkeep of the grounds and the professional staff (its not like your payin Mcdonalds wages to the cooks) so thats why its expensive. but if you've got the money, its just somewhere to go for privacy and nice surroundings or to golf low key and shit. fuck off.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

The DVD is way better than the cd......buy it for the DVD.

Let's hope Vol. 2's cd will be better.

lupus46 (April 22, 2004)

why the hell did the Ataris have to ruin Heaven is falling??

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

i hate these "punk" kids with their rules about what you can and can't do. you gotta bust balls over a being a country club member? these are the same hippie fucks that whine about warped tour sponsers. that shit is nothing to complain about. you better never buy a pepsi.

mmmm mmmmmmmmm bitch

notfeelingcreative (April 22, 2004)

Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos!

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Why would he vote 3rd party? To throw his vote away? You're a fucking moron.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"although my Dad voted for Gore and will vote for Kerry along w/ me and my mom and sister....all members of a country club. my dad is very liberal, so dont' believe every stereotype you believe. just like not all punks have liberty spikes and beg for change. Not everyone at a country club is a republican."

If your Dad and your whole family was truly liberal, you wouldn't be voting for Kerry. Frankly, being a Democrat at a country club isn't shocking, or in fact, mildly surprising. The Democrats favor big government, and give a lot, if not just as many, corporate handouts as the Republicans do. So basically, if youre a member of a country club (aka in a higher tax bracket...and dont jump all over me here for this - you know most members of CC's are going to be in the higher tax bracket. It's not a stereotype, just a fact), youre gaining just as much from a Democratic president than a Republican one.

If you really wanted to turn heads at a country club, vote libertarian (who want to eliminate the income tax and corporate handouts), or another third party candidate.

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

Good argument. Maybe I'm just jealous because I have to pay green's fees.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"I also play golf, and am far from "punk". (the name is deceptive"
yea the guitarist in my 'punk' band plays golf too. were all dorks.

"I just think country clubs are fucked. I mean, only those with enough money are priviledged enough to enjoy wide open, nicely kept land? Fuck that. Open the gates and let everyone enjoy. Bunch of old assholes that keep wealth within a small percentage of Americans. Its wack. "........you have a point, but this is punknews.org, i will never concede defeat. so you're wrong. It is a bit wack, but not the worst thing in the world. Not everyone at the club is an old rich asshole, although yes, many are. I can't help that I was born into a family that belongs to a country club. right now the dues arent too expensive. if they get high i will quit. like i said, i like to golf and use the pool, i'm sure you'd do the same. it also makes a nice place to take your girlfriend on a fancy date although you don't need a country club to do that. its just quiet and more private and nicer kept. it is a bit fucked, but not as fucked as say...walmart or mcdonalds, and i'm sure you've eaten there or shopped there.

"My point is this, the system you are bitching about it the same one supported by organizations like country clubs" True mostly, although my Dad voted for Gore and will vote for Kerry along w/ me and my mom and sister....all members of a country club. my dad is very liberal, so dont' believe every stereotype you believe. just like not all punks have liberty spikes and beg for change. Not everyone at a country club is a republican.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

the only bad part about this cd is that i had to pay tax on it.

kirbypuckett (April 22, 2004)

I play tennis.

- Kirby

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

I also play golf, and am far from "punk". (the name is deceptive)

I just think country clubs are fucked. I mean, only those with enough money are priviledged enough to enjoy wide open, nicely kept land? Fuck that. Open the gates and let everyone enjoy. Bunch of old assholes that keep wealth within a small percentage of Americans. Its wack.

My point is this, the system you are bitching about it the same one supported by organizations like country clubs.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Blah blah blah.

Scott sucks it hard. I've been saying this for at least 2 years now.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

To the guy talking about all the stuff that "rules"....you belong to a country club? Quit bitching.

yea i do belong to a country club, Rolling Rock Country Club in Ligonier PA. My grandfather did heart surgery on Mellon (the Mellon Bank founder, forget his first name, maybe Andrew) back in the 40's or 50's and essentially saved his life. Andrew Mellon's thanks was a membership to the club, which my Dad now belongs to and so do I. If someone gave you a country club membership as a gift, would you turn it down? I dont know, the golfing is really nice and so is the food. Its also small, quiet and old school. It is a bit snooty to be sure, but I dont' hang out w/ anyone there, I just go w/ my family or girlfriend for a nice dinner on occasion or to swim (the pool isnt crowded). Its mostly old ass rich people. whatever, i guess I'm lame but I don't see how this should dissallow me from bitching about the state of our country under Bush...sorry, I guess I'm not punk sickboi and therefore can't comment on the government.

sickboi (April 22, 2004)

To the guy talking about all the stuff that "rules"....you belong to a country club? Quit bitching.

notfeelingcreative (April 22, 2004)

To the guy who's bitching at me about propagandhi:
"So I ask Propagandhi to be on the second comp with all the lyrics intact and with the George Soros comment and everything. NO CENSORSHIP. Chris politely said no thanks. He said that the band has had cold feet about the comp from the beginning, that their politics don't mesh with ours, and that he doesn't want to be shuffled on to the 2nd comp."

Learn to read before you insult someone, bro.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

where's dillinger four?

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

the best song on this is the New Found Glory Song.

Killing people rules, bush rules, oil rules, being #1 rules, God bless America rules, toby keith rules, violence rules, Murdering Iraqi civilians rules, more dead US soldiers every day rules, not voting rules, Saudi Arabia rules, not gettting Osama cuz he's in Saudi arabi rules, using 9/11 to scare this country to think its gonna get attacted by terrorsts rules, that 'missing tanker' in Jersey that must be missing due to 'terrororists' rules, not letting gays marry rules, the patriot act rules, cheney killing 400 quails at my country club rules, calling said quail killing spree 'the killing feilds' and laughing w/ your warhawk cronies rules, flying osama's family out of the US on 9/12 rules, Taliban invited to Bush ranch rules, Oil pipeline plans from afganistan to the caspian rules, dead kids rule, dead americans rule, death sentences in texas rules, coke head frat boys that go AWOL in the military then become president ruless, hanging chads rule, FL recount rules, missions to mars rules, a shitty economy rules, a record deficit rules, choking on pretzels rules, saying mexicans speak mexican rules, texas rules

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"unintelligent rhetoric will not exactly make George Bush be quiverring in his boots"

Well no, why would he want to do that to himself every time he gives a speech. Thats what the boogeyman is for.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

wow you guys are gay... everyone who comments on this site is gayyyy!!

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

gay.

you could listen to a million songs and not learn as much as you would from one book, or even a newspaper. 50 word poems filled with unintelligent rhetoric will not exactly make George Bush be quiverring in his boots, so why make this CD? Probably because it is a clever marketing cd; kids think it is cool to hate your government, they have no real idea why but when asked, theyre pretty sure that 'george bush is a cunt'.

I hate the release of this album, its bullshit. Political punk songs are full of unrealistic ideology, a luxury that they can afford because at the end of the day they have no interest in getting involved in politics or actually thinking of a viable alternative to whatever it is they happen to be disagreeing with so much at the time. Stop sniping from the sidelines, there are far better ways to make a difference.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

did anyone see jon stewart hand that Fox reporter his ass tonight, it was soooo awesome.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Rock Against Bush Vol 2? What the hell are you talking about?

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

"Propagandhi? What the hell are you talking about?"

Well jackass if you actually READ Fat Mike's statement you'd know that they mutually agreed that Propagndhi would be on Vol. 2.

Nothing better than when someone is so matter of factly right only to find out they're wrong.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Honestly...I love the cause....but I hate tyhe way it is being executed...it is wayyyy too cutesy and non-threatening. How is this shit gonna catch anyone's attention? NFG?!? Ataris?! The only worthy tracks on here are the Jello/DOA, Descendents and maybe a couple others...but nothing makes me want to rip anyone's head off. I mean, if you want change you need to piss someone off and get some attention. Ice T knew this, Fat Mike should. How about a comp with some really threatening bands (if any still exist), with original songs about their opinions on the current state of the US, as violent and unrelentingly honest as any. While this comp is just like some little kid coming upo behind Bush poking him with a straw giggling, we should have a comp that puts a freakin' gun to his head and makes him wet his panties.

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

it's a band.
-captain o.

notfeelingcreative (April 22, 2004)

Propagandhi? What the hell are you talking about?

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Vol. 2 - Good Charlotte, Green Day, Lawrence Arms, Propagandhi

Who else?

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Score is for Bruce Springsteen

Anonymous (April 22, 2004)

Bad Religion has a video on the DVD.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

So does Bill get killed in volume 2 then??

jamespastepunk (April 21, 2004)

What the fuck is going on with Alkaline Trio's fourth member?

Besides Pennywise, where's the Epitaph bands? I don't mean to start the Fat v Epi war, but my guess is that there was at least interest from Epitaph bands (including but not limited to) Bouncing Souls, Bad Religion, Death By Stereo, and Raised Fist. Maybe the second comp, who knows?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

when i bought this album i saw a strange inscription on the cd that said H.M. (Hugo Montero) as i listened to the cd absolutepunk.net (music mends broken hearts) started bleeding...true story

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

aim: xwoxnelly message me for a sexy time

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

i bought this, and it kind of sucks. anything good on here i already heard with the exception of the new nofx song. fuck bush though, hells ya thats why i bought it... i guess vol 2 should have green day and good charlotte. sounds like a party.... eeeghh

i mean yeah us punks mostly hate bush but putting on that horrible new found gloryh song and that repulsive acoustic ataris shit makes me want to barf. duude

trolley (April 21, 2004)

Holy shit but does this Descendents song ever sound like Bad Religion.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

And the Trio have been introducing their mysterious 4th member while on the RAB Tour. Name change coming? ^_~

The more I listen to this CD, the more disappointed I am with Less Than Jake's pointless song entry. Not only does this song have nothing to do with RAB's causes, but they already put its not even that rare, since it was put out on a tour sampler from their last tour. At least the other unreleased songs followed the RAB's message. I expect more from these guys.

God damn that Anti-Flag song rocks all though.

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

I'm done arguing about politics, and I agree with Greg. But the fact of the matter is that I haven't had everything handed to me. My father worked his ass off to get where he is now, and he has always told me that if I ever want to acheive anything I need to work hard too. I have zero sympathy for people who do nothing and have everything. I've grown up around it, and I detest it. People should work hard to get anything, plain and simple.

greg6711 (April 21, 2004)

BSD, your an annoyance, and your left-wing propagandha tricks are just born out of an ignorance.

you don't give a shit about people who have it tough. You just are some kid who was picked on, and wants to bring the downfall of anyone who is sucessful.

shut up, and let the music play.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Now, here's the real topic worth arguing over:

Because Alkaline Trio overdub like crazy now and that mysterious second guitarist plays with them on stage, doesn't that kind of make them the Alkaline Quartet?

Discuss.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"I don't care if they make $10,000 a year or over a million."

Quit with the repentence bullshit. You said before that people only have bad jobs because they want to or should.

Easy for you to say, rich boy: "work for it!". You've had everything handed to you.

And if everyone worked hard enough in America, and became bosses, who would we control to do the shit shoveling? Slaves?

-BSD

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

my balls itch.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

this score is for Thursday

greg6711 (April 21, 2004)

please, this is a music review keep it about the music.

I understand that young people feel they have the authority and the need to speak and talk about everything they believe, but trust me, this place is just a messageboard.

If you could settle on a few things (biases in media) or at least avoid a few things, maybe what your saying could have coherenacy.

Conservative values and liberal values will always be at different ends, and I think you need a mix of both in order to be healthy mentally.

Go read a good book, read "Confederacy of Dunces" by John K. Toole. You'll like it, it's really funny and well done.

kinda funny isn't it, recommending a book when I say to keep it about the music. :)

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

""Iraq didn't attack anyone. Especially not the United States. They had no WMDs. None were ever found. Pay attention to the news. Iraq was never a threat to the United States. Watch the Condoleeza Rice interview and the interviews with Donald Rumsfeld."

Does anyone have the slightest idea why we fought in "Desert Storm" back in 91'? I am sure most of you "kiddies" were still in diapers and didn't pay attention. Saddam is and was always a ruthless dictator hell bent on shoving abuse and humiliation upon his "own" people. Regardless of whether the political motivations for going into this country, the man has been overthrown and the people of this great land are free from control and fear(compared with the past). Two things us as Americans will never know a thing about. We are a spoiled people who have nothing better to do than sit on our butts complaining each and every day how "so and so" did us wrong."

If our foreign policy is that of humanitarian aid and to overthrow ruthless dictators then why would we just stop at Iraq. What about Saudi Arabia or all of Africa.

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

"Oh yes everyone outside of your elite social circle is a mistake."

I never said that, and I don't see how you can say that. Most of my friends don't come from the same background as me. So your theory is crap. I won't lie to you, I've grown up around very elite and well to do people. But you know what, I don't like most of them. I've formed my opinions on my own, not because I went to the same boarding school that George Bush's brother went to, or because my uncle was a United States congressman for over 20 years. I respect people who work hard. I don't care if they make $10,000 a year or over a million. I've had enough life experience and spent time with people from opposite sides of the spectrum to form what I believe.

"You've proven yourself ignorant beyond belief and to be a model citizen of the next generation"

I think you only say this because I don't have the same views as you. You don't know anything about me. You only know my stance on what has been said in this forum. The fact that you base on maybe two of my views as ignorant and a bad person show you as the one who is ignorant. I know I am a good person. Who knows, I might be a more admirable person than you, who's to say. The world might be better than you think if people were like me and felt people should work hard and not just try to coast through life.

musical-monkey (April 21, 2004)

i dont see how the descendents song is ska. and if all of none more blacks stuff sounds like the song on the cd, it doesnt really make me want to check them out.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"everyone kill themself on 3....2....1"

Ha! So, I'm not buying this comp. Too many comps put out shit songs, so it's not worth it.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

So did anyone celebrate 4/20 or did everyone go buy this over-priced comp just to bitch about it. And what terrible art work as well (kind of like War on Errorism).

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"Are those “extreme views” the kind of shaded racist and misogynistic fears that whites have been nursing all along?"

Yep, here it comes again. Every Conservative or middle of the road American who defies the law of some certain left leaning authoritarian view, is considered first and foremost -a racist, a misogynist, an intolerant human, a backwards thinking hick set to ride the highway in a 4x4 with confederate flag blowing in the wind...Intolerance and misunderstanding are the two terms being fought against yet the two terms are being spewed right from the other side of the mouth.

"Extreme Views" would be those of control-freak leaders who lord over innocents by making them live a life of real fear and a stress we'll never understand. You can pretty much do anything you want this very moment in our Country(other than drugs, murder, tax evasion, you get the point) and not get locked up or shot by a firing squad. Try spitting on a picture of Saddam a few years ago in front of a guard or maybe burn a North Korean flag in North Korea. We have so many freedoms we take for granted each and every day. The best gratitude we show is by complaining over and over again from behind our computers in posh rooms/offices across the land.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"Don’t you think that the government learned it’s lesson well in the 70’s after the outrage many felt at seeing casket after casket, draped in the US flag, shipped home for burial, every night on the evening news?"

And that makes ALL the difference. Hearing "12 Americans killed" and seeing it is totally different. I want more footage. If you can't stand to see the carnage you've brought upon a group of people, then don't do it in the first place, you fucking cowardly cunts.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"I didn't talk about religion and I don't want to get into because that will just open a whole other can of worms, but it's not just Christians going off and doing this stuff. The Iraqis are doing the same stuff, they just are doing it more cowardly as in using car bombs, not to mention mutilating already dead bodies. I guess those car bombs today that killed 68 people and 18 children is America's fault too. Whatever.

You know I may be no better than a used condom, but at least my birth wasn't the product of a broken one. Go fuck yourself."

Oh yes everyone outside of your elite social circle is a mistake.

You've proven yourself ignorant beyond belief and to be a model citizen of the next generation.

The media is who put Bush in power. The media is NOT liberal. If they were liberal, their agenda would be to make the war look like a mistake. They don't even need to present us with half the story to make it look like one, though.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

broken condoms are metal. m/

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Don’t you find the US already leaning towards an Orwellian existence? Does the Patriot Act ring a bell? Are you willing to support a man whose policies have infringed on THE VERY RIGHTS this country was founded on? Are those “extreme views” the kind of shaded racist and misogynistic fears that whites have been nursing all along?

Don’t you think that the welfare system has deteriorated into a vicious cycle hat is not intended to better anyone else’s life but instead help create a social crutch fueled by money the government funnels out of YOUR POCKET?

Don’t you think that the government learned it’s lesson well in the 70’s after the outrage many felt at seeing casket after casket, draped in the US flag, shipped home for burial, every night on the evening news?

Is a daisy cutter bomb or a guided missile a less cowardly and more honorable way to mutiliate and kill other humans? Is the solution to any and every conflict increased firepower?

Diplomacy is irrelevant?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

I'm voting for whoever promises to get shit music off the radio. Fuck Iraq, Puddle of Mudd is the real issue here. SKA IS BACK!(some say it never left...)

MusicIsMusic (April 21, 2004)

"Yes, Fat Mike holds a biased opinion. Yes, MoveOn.org uses mudslinging tactics. So does everyone who has some sort of political agenda. The best way to get a message out to the people is to use shock tactics. If you need an example, look at how popular Marilyn Manson is."

The smartest comment i've seen on this board. Congrats..uh..you.

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

"I like how you represent people you think are less fit than a bumbling, coked up hillbilly with a group of three black men. Are you afraid?"

You know what, I never said Bush was perfect, and I will tell you many people would do better than him. He's only where he is because his name is George Bush. And if those people I listed were president I would be scared. They would try to make this country like Communist Russia. They would just give stuff to whoever wanted it, no matter if they earned it or not. They could single handedly do far more bad for this country than George Bush ever could do. and if they were white men and Hillary clinton is a white woman and she would be the same way. It's just they have the extreme views which I hope you don't think would make this a better country.

"You think welfare is enough to live on? Are you the guy who called the cops when I threw a (coke) can at you on the Plaza? Because it messed up your suit?"

I know welfare isn't enough to live on. That's why people should be on it and still have to work. If they are disabled, they have disability to help them. I'm not the guy who you threw a cok can on, but that speaks volumes for you and the type of person you are.

The media has a LIBERAL agenda? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! Call Fox and CNN liberal if you want to look any more like an idiot... I like how I haven't seen one mutilated soldier, or Iraqi corpse, though. And how they try to avoid Bush's digustingly out-of-hand economy. But I'm sure it's hardcore liberals pushing the "Troops" segments inbetween commercials, where a GI tells the viewer that he loves his family and can't be home with them because he's fighting for my freedom. What the fuck ever."
Fox is conservative. It however is common knowledge that the majority of the media (New York Times, CNN) all are liberal. It is stupid to say otherwise. Maybe they would show those things on television, but what good would that do. It would cause nothing but an uproar that could only be a detriment to this country. On top of that there are regulations that prevent them from showing images, as well as good taste.

"Anyone who really believes in the teachings of Jesus would sooner be killed than fight in a war. Same goes for almost any other religion."

I didn't talk about religion and I don't want to get into because that will just open a whole other can of worms, but it's not just Christians going off and doing this stuff. The Iraqis are doing the same stuff, they just are doing it more cowardly as in using car bombs, not to mention mutilating already dead bodies. I guess those car bombs today that killed 68 people and 18 children is America's fault too. Whatever.

You know I may be no better than a used condom, but at least my birth wasn't the product of a broken one. Go fuck yourself.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

When did the US assume the role of the planet's police officer?

Does it really seem far fetched to think that the US only chooses to bring down corrupt dictatorships that perhaps get in our way, not because of humanitarian reasons?

When dictators such as Ceaucescu of Romania busily slaughtered their own people, the US stood idly by. When tanks rolled through Prague, Warsaw, Budapest, the US stood idly by. In your every day life, Saddam Hussein was an immediate threat to you HOW?

About the only way Hussein was and the Middle East is a threat to the US is in our collective gas tanks. The US wasn't going out of it's way to end the Iran/Iraq war some 20 odd years ago, or force Soviet tanks out of Afghanistan, were the oppressed Iraqis of that era of no concern?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"1- I think it would be wonderful for the Bush Administration to take some responsibility for the 9/11 intelligence failures. The information pouring out of the 9/11 commission indicates the following: Yes, some intelligence problems were endemic to the FBI/CIA antagonistic relationship which pre-dated the Bush administration. However, once in power his administration emphasized the Missile Defense Shield boondoggle over Al Queda threats. A real leader is able to stand up and say "I am in charge, and this awful event happened on my watch." So far, the Bush Administration has chosen NOT to stand up and take responsibility. That's a damn shame, and yet another reason to not support him in November. "

This is the most ridiculous statement I have ever heard. How can you seriously blame just one man (President) for a heinous crime that slipped in the back door? It shocked us Americans BECAUSE, we never expected it to happen here. I doubt that with all the planning, protection, and intelligence, that this crime could have been avoided. Thats like saying Bill Clinton should be blamed for the Oklahoma City bombings or for Waco. Everyone always wants to point the finger. Yet on 9/11, we were all holding hands embracing one another as one people. Wow, how times change.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"Iraq didn't attack anyone. Especially not the United States. They had no WMDs. None were ever found. Pay attention to the news. Iraq was never a threat to the United States. Watch the Condoleeza Rice interview and the interviews with Donald Rumsfeld."

Does anyone have the slightest idea why we fought in "Desert Storm" back in 91'? I am sure most of you "kiddies" were still in diapers and didn't pay attention. Saddam is and was always a ruthless dictator hell bent on shoving abuse and humiliation upon his "own" people. Regardless of whether the political motivations for going into this country, the man has been overthrown and the people of this great land are free from control and fear(compared with the past). Two things us as Americans will never know a thing about. We are a spoiled people who have nothing better to do than sit on our butts complaining each and every day how "so and so" did us wrong.

KlashedKi (April 21, 2004)

Ok first off I know that this is anti-bush not support Kerry. But honestly look and see that Kerry would make a worse president. Bush isn't magnificent like everyone wants him to be and he looks like a monkey but otherwise Kerry contradicts himself more then almost all humans. Otherwise good cd just offtarget.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

I went to Italy recently and there was anti Bush shit EVERYWHERE. It's not good when the entire world hates our leader. They always hate our leader but this time they hate him with a passion.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

everyone kill themself on 3....2....1

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Republicans or Democrats, you're both dirty bastards.

This comp. isn't bad. It isn't great, either.

This score is for Fat Mike.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"I think it would be funny to see Johnny Cochran, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson get president one day. These people have the same ideas a lot of people here seem to support which all border on communist in my opinion. When you see how bad our country has gone to hell then, and how we are a weak country who can't protect ourselves, then maybe you'll understand. Who the hell is going to aspire to be something then. Who is going to want to go to school all that extra time to be a doctor or lawyer or any other high paying position when they know that they didn't even have to go to school, and would be making the same, if not more by being a nothing. At least in a conservative country it encourages people to have dreams and try to acheive them. The saddest thing is that all the 14 and 15 year old kids who think it's punk to be democrat and are going to grow up close minded and only listen to one man and his opinions. It's like absolutepunk.net. It's people who have no credibility other than they were lucky enough to get their voice heard telling people how to think and what to do. It's such propaganda. I think every person here enjoys their freedoms and when we don't have it one day, then you can thank these ideas that sound so good in theory but work so bad in the real world."

Because you aren't listening to one man and his opinions. You're listening to one puppett screw up his master's opinions because he can't deliver speeches.

I like how you represent people you think are less fit than a bumbling, coked up hillbilly with a group of three black men. Are you afraid?

You think welfare is enough to live on? Are you the guy who called the cops when I threw a (coke) can at you on the Plaza? Because it messed up your suit?

The media has a LIBERAL agenda? HAHAHAHAHHAHAH! Call Fox and CNN liberal if you want to look any more like an idiot... I like how I haven't seen one mutilated soldier, or Iraqi corpse, though. And how they try to avoid Bush's digustingly out-of-hand economy. But I'm sure it's hardcore liberals pushing the "Troops" segments inbetween commercials, where a GI tells the viewer that he loves his family and can't be home with them because he's fighting for my freedom. What the fuck ever.

Anyone who really believes in the teachings of Jesus would sooner be killed than fight in a war. Same goes for almost any other religion.

Isreal's just as horrible as America, maybe worse.

-BSD

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

SETH COHEN you should know this

none more black's song on this comp is awesome.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

pulley DOES matter

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

used condom > Seth Cohen

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

anonymous > Seth Cohen

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

another lame comment from SETH COHEN

"If I cared what people think of me, I would have posted anonymously like you"

what's the bigger deal? Worrying about what nationality you work with? (that's you) or whether or not i have an account (i don't!) on an internet message board (that's me). you decide.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Fat Mike > Seth Cohen

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Fat mike is a whining little cunt.

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

If I cared what people think of me, I would have posted anonymously like you

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Actually, young children don't have pubic hair. How is he a pedophile?

- (April 21, 2004)

"Rock Aginst Girls Who Don't Shave Their Bush Vol. 1"

Pedophile..

lushj (April 21, 2004)

1- I think it would be wonderful for the Bush Administration to take some responsibility for the 9/11 intelligence failures. The information pouring out of the 9/11 commission indicates the following: Yes, some intelligence problems were endemic to the FBI/CIA antagonistic relationship which pre-dated the Bush administration. However, once in power his administration emphasized the Missile Defense Shield boondoggle over Al Queda threats. A real leader is able to stand up and say "I am in charge, and this awful event happened on my watch." So far, the Bush Administration has chosen NOT to stand up and take responsibility. That's a damn shame, and yet another reason to not support him in November.

2- This is NOT a pro-Kerry comp. This is an anti-Bush comp. The Rock Against Bush and Punk Voter groups are specifically NOT endorsing any particular candidate.

3- Fat Mike said he did not vote in the last Presidential election. I believe he voted in the 2002 national and 2003 California elections. Heck, he may have voted in the March 2004 elections as well. My point is the guy has certainly started voting since 2000, although the # of times he's done so seems irrelevant to the validity of his political opinions.

4- The Frisk song that's on this is a little different from other songs we've done, but we're always trying new things. Ruts are no good, our last record "Audio Ransom Note" is pretty varied musically.

P.S.- Our track's donated, so please excuse the free plug!

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

you are all fucking retards including myself

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Rock Aginst Girls Who Don't Shave Their Bush Vol. 1

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

SETH COHEN suck a cock you uptight geek ..this is what he said earlier...

"I worked construction before, whenever you tell people this they ask how it is working with Mexicans, and all kinds of things along that line. And it's not just upper class, but everybody who says that." - Seth Cohen

You didn't mention anything else about the job except that people bust your balls about working with mexicans. Maybe you should grow some balls and not give a shit about what people think. Grow up jerkoff.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

(WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PURPOSE OF THAT?)

Clinton was a womanizing sleazebag. He gave America a bad name himself as a country full of perverts, who support other perverts

-That was the apex of his flaws? JFK slipped the meat to plenty of women in his time, yet he's heralded as one of this country's greatest leaders. Isn't that somewhat hypocritical then?

(NOTE SUBTLE HOMOPHOBIC SLANT)

How does this make him homophobic. The author never says he doesn't support it. Too many people here jump conclusions.

- To quote the original post: "The main reason why a majority of the american people thought he was decent was because he supported gays". It reeks of patronizing as if the only reason that Clinton had supporters is because he's for equal rights.

(SO ONLY "REAL MEN" START WARS? WOW, WHO WOULD'VE THUNK IT)

He stood up for a cause he had to. Only he was man enough to take the criticism that he knew he was going to get for this.

- He stood up for a cause based upon flawed intelligence, only to realize after the fact how far over his head he's gotten. Since when is war "the American way"? Several thousand Vietnam vets could argue that it certainly didn't help their patriotism much.

(THANKS TO THE REPUBLICANS WASTING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO NAIL CLINTON'S ASS TO THE WALL, I GUESS YOU WERE STILL IN GRADE SCHOOL AND MISSED ALOT OF THAT)

You points all point to that you were just barley out of it at the time

- Relevance? This country squandered a fortune on utter nonsense.... does the name Kenneth Starr ring a bell? The fact is that the investigation into Clinton was about as irrelevant as the Meese Commission was on pornography a decade earlier.

(SOURCES?)

Read any newspaper, or watch the news

- Therein lies the problem: reading & watching biased newscasts is the intellectual equivalent of pissing against the wind. Check out who controls most news organizations in the US and all of a sudden the notion of "free press" becomes rather fictional.

(IN CASE YOU FORGET, HE HAPPENED TO BE THE FREAKING PRESIDENT ON 9/11/01... WHO ELSE YA GONNA BLAME DOOFUS?)

How long had he been president for. Not long enough. You can't tell me that all of the was planned in 8 or 9 months.

- So you are able to justify a massive intelligence failure by the man who is the son of a former CIA director? Again, Republicans decided to firmly entrench themselves in the fight against Clinton's libido for so long that everyone lost focus.

(AGAIN, SOURCES?)

You don't watch the news or read papers, do you?

- I guess you are not aware of the ties that the Bush family has had with the Saudi family of which bin Laden is a part of. Taken from the Wall Street Journal, 9/28/01: "George H.W. Bush, the father of President Bush, works for the bin Laden family business in Saudi Arabia through the Carlyle Group, an international consulting firm. The senior Bush had met with the bin Laden family at least twice in the last three years - 1998 and 2000 -- as a representative of Carlyle, seeking to expand business dealings with one of the wealthiest Saudi families" (http://www.globalpolicy.org/wtc/analysis/0928bushsr.htm)

You all go ahead and vote for John fucking Kerry. (WILL DO, THANKS!) And when he does go into office and he is a shitty president (NOT UNLIKE BU$H)

There is always going to be roughly 50% of the population thinking the president is shitty

- Politics aren't meant to be decided like a coin-toss at the Superbowl, and it's appalling how few people in the US take an active role in their government and how it runs their lives.

(UMMM..... OK, I GUESS YOU MEAN "UNAVOIDABLE" HERE...) there was no way around it (IF YOU SAY SO, MR. HITLER)

War would have happened sooner or later. Face it.

- If war was so unavoidable, then why not invade Saudi Arabia? After all, many of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis, were they not? Instead, the US goes into Iraq under false WMD pretenses only to do an about face and claim to be there to "free" the people of Iraq from Hussein's grip.

VOTE FOR BUSH: VOTE AGAINST KERRY IM OUTTA HERE (GOOD RIDDANCE, YOUR PUNK MEMBERSHIP IS NOW REVOKED, POINDEXTER)

You don't have to be democrat to be punk. Just because Fat Mike is a democrat every punk kid thinks you have to be democrat to be punk. I wonder what kids would say if he were a republican.

- It's not about what party you are affiliated with, it's about accepting the fact that the current President has done far more harm than good.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"The reason that the United States is hated by most Middle Eastern countries is because we take so many liberties when enforcing or creating 'Freedom.'"

You are incorrect. We have always protected and supported Israel and the Muslim community hates us for it. The arab-Muslims have been angry at the Jews ever since Isaac was chosen as the covenant for the nation of Israel and not Ishmael. When the British gave Israel their land back in 1921, the Arabs have been fighting Israel and anyone who has supported them. They will continue to fight us. No president or American foreign policy can solve this problem.

Jesse (April 21, 2004)

"I guess we should have just waited until us, or somebody else was attacked first. The only reason there is blame being thrown here is because we attacked first. Unless I am totally wrong here, and I might be, we gave them a few warnings... "

Iraq didn't attack anyone. Especially not the United States. They had no WMDs. None were ever found. Pay attention to the news. Iraq was never a threat to the United States. Watch the Condoleeza Rice interview and the interviews with Donald Rumsfeld.

"Now, Mr. Rumsfeld, why did you declare that Iraq was an imminent threat?"

"Now, I never said that..."

*quote is produced that says "Iraq is an imminent threat*

"Well, you have to take it into context..."

It's not just voting out Bush, it's voting out his regime. We have made way too many mistakes, and even the administration is being forced to admit to them now. Face the facts, Iraq was, and still is a mistake. They don't want us there. That's why there have been so many insurgencies. The reason that the United States is hated by most Middle Eastern countries is because we take so many liberties when enforcing or creating "Freedom." We just proved them right by marching into Iraq and working on setting up our own puppet government there. Only this time it isn't working becaue the Iraqi people are stronger in belief than the Saudis. It was easy to install leadership there. They didn't fight back.

Look at the records, Bush has flip-flopped just as much as Kerry. That's a key instance in politics. Sure, I'm not a fan of Kerry, but I believe that he will at least present a better middle ground than Bush. That's what the USA needs for a leader-a strong balance of both ideals, but Bush allows no left influence in his decisions.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

I'd like to see a nigger president someday.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

you crazy republicrats

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

i didnt mean johnny cochran, i meant hillary clinton. my bad

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

I think it would be funny to see Johnny Cochran, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson get president one day. These people have the same ideas a lot of people here seem to support which all border on communist in my opinion. When you see how bad our country has gone to hell then, and how we are a weak country who can't protect ourselves, then maybe you'll understand. Who the hell is going to aspire to be something then. Who is going to want to go to school all that extra time to be a doctor or lawyer or any other high paying position when they know that they didn't even have to go to school, and would be making the same, if not more by being a nothing. At least in a conservative country it encourages people to have dreams and try to acheive them. The saddest thing is that all the 14 and 15 year old kids who think it's punk to be democrat and are going to grow up close minded and only listen to one man and his opinions. It's like absolutepunk.net. It's people who have no credibility other than they were lucky enough to get their voice heard telling people how to think and what to do. It's such propaganda. I think every person here enjoys their freedoms and when we don't have it one day, then you can thank these ideas that sound so good in theory but work so bad in the real world.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Wow, I like to thank everyone who posted agienst this stupid idear to sell a album. I gives me great hope theres still people in America that arnt Morons. Stupid ass record company

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

(WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PURPOSE OF THAT?)

Clinton was a womanizing sleazebag. He gave America a bad name himself as a country full of perverts, who support other perverts

(NOTE SUBTLE HOMOPHOBIC SLANT)

How does this make him homophobic. The author never says he doesn't support it. Too many people here jump conclusions.

(SO ONLY "REAL MEN" START WARS? WOW, WHO WOULD'VE THUNK IT)

He stood up for a cause he had to. Only he was man enough to take the criticism that he knew he was going to get for this.

(THANKS TO THE REPUBLICANS WASTING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO NAIL CLINTON'S ASS TO THE WALL, I GUESS YOU WERE STILL IN GRADE SCHOOL AND MISSED ALOT OF THAT)

You points all point to that you were just barley out of it at the time

(SOURCES?)

Read any newspaper, or watch the news

(IN CASE YOU FORGET, HE HAPPENED TO BE THE FREAKING PRESIDENT ON 9/11/01... WHO ELSE YA GONNA BLAME DOOFUS?)

How long had he been president for. Not long enough. You can't tell me that all of the was planned in 8 or 9 months.

(AGAIN, SOURCES?)

You don't watch the news or read papers, do you?

You all go ahead and vote for John fucking Kerry. (WILL DO, THANKS!) And when he does go into office and he is a shitty president (NOT UNLIKE BU$H)

There is always going to be roughly 50% of the population thinking the president is shitty

(UMMM..... OK, I GUESS YOU MEAN "UNAVOIDABLE" HERE...) there was no way around it (IF YOU SAY SO, MR. HITLER)

War would have happened sooner or later. Face it.

VOTE FOR BUSH: VOTE AGAINST KERRY IM OUTTA HERE (GOOD RIDDANCE, YOUR PUNK MEMBERSHIP IS NOW REVOKED, POINDEXTER)

You don't have to be democrat to be punk. Just because Fat Mike is a democrat every punk kid thinks you have to be democrat to be punk. I wonder what kids would say if he were a republican.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Hey Everybody! buy this Cd! Jump on the BandWagon for morons and morons alike.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

I love when bland white kids decide to "unite" and "take a stand".

No, wait I don't. Stop trying to be activists and go back to pre-ripping your jeans.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

bush isn't That fucking bad...get over it fat mike.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

A READ BETWEEN THE LINES ANALYSIS OF A MORON:

Man I didnt see any of you jackasses do any against clinton comps.(WHAT WOULD'VE BEEN THE PURPOSE OF THAT?) The main reason why a majority of the american people thought he was decent was because he supported gays (NOTE SUBTLE HOMOPHOBIC SLANT) and didnt start any wars because he too much of a pussy to start any shit anyway. (SO ONLY "REAL MEN" START WARS? WOW, WHO WOULD'VE THUNK IT) When he got into the Lewinsky scandal, nobody paid any attention to what was going on with the economy or anything. (THANKS TO THE REPUBLICANS WASTING MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO NAIL CLINTON'S ASS TO THE WALL, I GUESS YOU WERE STILL IN GRADE SCHOOL AND MISSED ALOT OF THAT) Everybody paid attention to the fucking scandal. (LIKE YOU COULD EVER MISS IT) I hate you stubborn bastards who listen to your fav. bands thinking what their saying is true. (AN ANTI-FLAG HATER I SUPPOSE) Clinton would have gotten bin Laden in his hands but he didnt because he didnt think Osama was a threat. (I DON'T RECALL BU$H EVER RUNNING ON A PLATFORM THAT INCLUDED GETTING BIN LADEN) Clinton could've stop everything. He had all the information that pointed that bin Laden had something up his sleeve but Clinton didnt go after him. (SOURCES?) Everybody blames bush for not stopping 9/11 (IN CASE YOU FORGET, HE HAPPENED TO BE THE FREAKING PRESIDENT ON 9/11/01... WHO ELSE YA GONNA BLAME DOOFUS?) or he knew about the attacks that were planned. Clinton is the fuckhead that should be blamed for the knowing about bin Ladens plan ahead of time, not Bush. (AGAIN, SOURCES?) You all go ahead and vote for John fucking Kerry. (WILL DO, THANKS!) And when he does go into office and he is a shitty president (NOT UNLIKE BU$H), I would be the only Bush supporter laughing in your(including Fat ass Fat Mike) faces. The war was something that was inevidible (UMMM..... OK, I GUESS YOU MEAN "UNAVOIDABLE" HERE...) there was no way around it (IF YOU SAY SO, MR. HITLER). Peace talks would've gone to shit any way (MUCH LIKE THE U.S. HAS GONE TO SHIT SINCE BU$H "TOOK OFFICE"). The hundreds of soldiers dying is something that we cant change (HELLOOOOOO? ANYBODY HOME??? IT'S CALLED NOT GOING TO FUCKING WAR!), its part of war people die either its 1 soldier or a million soldiers (WOW, ATTILA THE HUN WOULD BE PROUD OF YOU). Even through all the deaths it will turn out for the better but later than you think (REMEMBER THAT PHRASE WHEN YOU'RE SHIPPED OFF TO IRAQ SOMETIME NEXT SUMMER, NIMROD). In all, Fuck Fat Mike, Fuck You Liberals, Fuck Kerry, and Fuck this website. (YEAH, FUCK YOU TOO, NUMBNUTS) I will go on to better things (LIKE JOIN THE RUSH LIMBAUGH FAN CLUB I SUPPOSE). VOTE FOR BUSH: VOTE AGAINST KERRY IM OUTTA HERE (GOOD RIDDANCE, YOUR PUNK MEMBERSHIP IS NOW REVOKED, POINDEXTER)

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

"I never said they didn't I just think there are more important things to think about, like our soldiers dying needlessly in Viet..err Iraq."
I guess we should have just waited until us, or somebody else was attacked first. The only reason there is blame being thrown here is because we attacked first. Unless I am totally wrong here, and I might be, we gave them a few warnings...

"sorry, but most people who complain about welfare and say things liek 'go to cuba if you want a handout' are pretty racist. I can read between the lines."
It's not racist, I just don't care for freeloaders. You obvioulsy have some stereotype in mind I wasn't thinking of if I'm the racist one.

"hmm. ok. well I make 28,500 a year so yea your dad may well make more than me. I also earned every penny i make. My dad also put himself through college and makes a shitload of money and should be concerned of tax breaks. My dad is worth about 15 million, no joke. However, his conscious will not allow him to vote based on tax breaks, when our country is in the state its in. perpetual war and fear for the benefit of the Bush regime"
If were weren't in a war I wonder if you would still think this. What if this was a democrat in this war, would you still have the same thoughts?

"wow, fucking ignorant as hell. Everyone wants a fucking job."
Why work when you can get paid for not working. There are plenty of people who do not want a job, or would rather make their money illegally.
"Trash collectors make shitloads of money and their jobs are all wired."
Yeah true, but have you ever heard anybody over the age of 5 say I want to grow up to be a trash collector. It's because people don't respect the profession. Like you said, it's all wired. It's a lazy job that involoves pushing a button.
"Stigma's w/ construction workers? Wow, i have friends in construction, they don't know of any stigma's except the whistling at girls when they walk by."
I worked construction before, whenever you tell people this they ask how it is working with Mexicans, and all kinds of things along that line. And it's not just upper class, but everybody who says that.
"Oh you mean you think you're too good to do these jobs? oh ok"
Maybe I do, but I know my parents didn't pay $25,000 a year for me to go to high school and more than that for college for me to do that. I doubt you want to be a trash collector or a construction worker.

"obviosly someone who hasnt worked with heroin addicts. Many of them do have someone to blame, its called their doctor. What you might not know is heroin is an opiate, like Oxycotin, Percocet or Vicodin. When people in the lowly field of construction fall and break their back (happens often i assure you in that stigmatized field) they get perscribed opiates. Then their doctor cuts them off but they may still be in pain. A cheap way to replace Oxycotin (legal heroin) is heroin, the illegal kind. Others get addicted because they want to escape their lives. One of my clients was raped by her father often in her childhood and teenage years. this fucks people up. its not all people going out and partying. You certainly know how to sterotype though, i'll give you that "
I have not worked in counseling, and I understand your point. But they have to know what they are doing when they switch to other opiates it's wrong, and they need help.

"I don't know, maybe cuz its nice to help those less fortunate. As I said, 2/3 heroin addicts became addicted for a reason other than 'their own fault'. its a way more complex problem than hyou think, and you obviously have no experience in the counseling feild."
Yeah, it is. But some don't deserve it, face it. A few, NOT a lot do things such as steal, and kill. So why should you on top of that have to give them more money and pay for them to go to school, when they won't even appreciate it.

"again its a complex situation. Some do abuse welfare, but many need it. Its much easier to say its 'their own fault' when you ddidnt grow up in a ghetto or a broken home."
People who cannot help it I have no problem with. They deserve it. My main gripe is those who don't. Did you grow up in a ghetto or broken home? With the money you claim your family has, I doubt you grew up in the ghetto although a broken home is possible. But people can overcome this on their own. There are countless examples of people going from poverty to wealth from their own hard work.

"how? Its a fact that the economy was better under clinton."
Clinton set us up with his quick fixes to the point to where there had to be problems in the future.

"wow you have no clue right? what did saddam have to do w/ terrorism that other world leaders havent? he had nothing to do w/ 911 retard."
I know he didn't directly, but how can you say he didn't, and maybe nobody knows about it yet.

"Well he was a bad man, but the Iraqi's dont seem to stoked that he's gone."
That is what the media portrays. Radicals who want attention. That's what attracts reader, viewers, etc...
"They hate us. why? well maybe its the 9,000 Iraqi civilians we've killed, hitting schools w/ bombs that shoulve hit other targets, accidently shooting up a van that didnt stop at a check point killing 12 women and schoolchildren."
Maybe if the Iraq military didn't set up shop next to these places, and hide out in them then this wouldn't have happened.
"Thats 3x the amount of people killed in 9/11....now whos the terrorists?"
OK, America are terrorists. That's bullshit, and you can't honestly believe that. I'm sure there is stuff that neither you nor me knows that could have caused a lot more American deaths, and it seems that many more should have been killed in 9/11 than were.

"your response would be "well hussein had to go...he's a bad man and killed innocent iraqi's" well weve killed a whole slew of em too in our attempts to get halliburton those oil fields."
We could never match the number Hussein killed, because it's well documented that it is so many. Hussein wasn't just a bad man, he was an animal. We can argue and debate until we're blue in the face but it will do no good. I in no way are attacking your person. I have respect for you and what you believe. I just don't agree with it entirely

kirbypuckett (April 21, 2004)

I love when people debate politics, it's so cute. It's just like arguing about music, it'll never end...

- Kirby

CrankWillDestroy (April 21, 2004)

You so called republi-cunts are too funny.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"simultaneously preaching the equality of mankind on racial and mental levels even though objective reality has no evidence of the former in an observable form"

hahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha. awesome dude. you are totally fucking retarded. very eloquent though, you sure sound smart, which i'm assuming is your goal.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"It's a fact the taxes will rise. It's been reported numerous times."

I never said they didn't I just think there are more important things to think about, like our soldiers dying needlessly in Viet..err Iraq.
"I never said anything about blacks either. Fuck you for assuming shit you assume.
Fuck you also for thinking I'm a racist"
sorry, but most people who complain about welfare and say things liek 'go to cuba if you want a handout' are pretty racist. I can read between the lines.

" and I just beilieve what my dad told me. You know what, my dad probably makes more than you ever will, but he earned every fucking penny of it."

hmm. ok. well I make 28,500 a year so yea your dad may well make more than me. I also earned every penny i make. My dad also put himself through college and makes a shitload of money and should be concerned of tax breaks. My dad is worth about 15 million, no joke. However, his conscious will not allow him to vote based on tax breaks, when our country is in the state its in. perpetual war and fear for the benefit of the Bush regime

"When you have to pay for your own college you appreciate it more and work harder. That's what he did, and he earned everything he has."

ok
" Yes I have met people on welfare. I'm not given a handout either. The only thing my parents do for me is pay for my education. They make me earn all my own money. I've worked with all kinds of underprivledged people, and I have more respect for them than when they work hard to better their lives. People who just can't get by when doing their best deserve welfare."
ok cool

" People who just don't want to work, yet still be able to live nice on everyone else's money are who I am talking about. I'm willing to bet you yourself have never worked with the less fortunate and you are sitting high on your soapbox hiding behind a mask anonymousness."

hold it there. If you re read my post you may read a line about how I worked in a Methadone clinic. I.E. I was a fucking substance abuse conselor. I.E. I've helped people battle heroin addiction and all that comes with it (rape conseling,suicidal thoughts I've helped people cope with). As for anonymous, my Nickname is Poopypants, I'm too lazy to log in. My real name is Paul, I'm 23 , live on my own, pay for all my own shit and live in Pittsburgh.

" There aren't enough jobs because people don't want to do them. People think they are too good to be trash collectors or construction workers because of the stigmas attatched to them."
wow, fucking ignorant as hell. Everyone wants a fucking job. Trash collectors make shitloads of money and their jobs are all wired. Try to become a trash collector. just try it. Stigma's w/ construction workers? Wow, i have friends in construction, they don't know of any stigma's except the whistling at girls when they walk by. Oh you mean you think you're too good to do these jobs? oh ok
" If they would suck it up and swallow their pride than they could find work. If they had enver been on heroin in the first place, then maybe their lives wouldn't be in shambles. They have nobody to blame that they are addicted to heroin"
obviosly someone who hasnt worked with heroin addicts. Many of them do have someone to blame, its called their doctor. What you might not know is heroin is an opiate, like Oxycotin, Percocet or Vicodin. When people in the lowly field of construction fall and break their back (happens often i assure you in that stigmatized field) they get perscribed opiates. Then their doctor cuts them off but they may still be in pain. A cheap way to replace Oxycotin (legal heroin) is heroin, the illegal kind. Others get addicted because they want to escape their lives. One of my clients was raped by her father often in her childhood and teenage years. this fucks people up. its not all people going out and partying. You certainly know how to sterotype though, i'll give you that
", so why should everybody else have to pay for their screw ups. I'm sorry they are in such a state, and applaud them for getting help, but it is their own fault."
I don't know, maybe cuz its nice to help those less fortunate. As I said, 2/3 heroin addicts became addicted for a reason other than 'their own fault'. its a way more complex problem than hyou think, and you obviously have no experience in the counseling feild.

" Since you have already assumed I have some superiority complex, if I felt I shouldn't have to work because I thought I was too good, should you have to give back your hard earned money to me, because of my own fucking up. Heroin and my example aren't the same, but both come back to choices that individuals make for themselves." again its a complex situation. Some do abuse welfare, but many need it. Its much easier to say its 'their own fault' when you ddidnt grow up in a ghetto or a broken home.

" So you think the economy waas better under Clinton. You are naive " how? Its a fact that the economy was better under clinton.

but keep on being racist and say the unemployment line is full of 'lazy niggers' as i can read through your post and see thats what you think. keep thinking that , until you end up in one yourself.

Once again, it's such a cop out to say I'm a racist. You know what you asshole, I'm not going to end up unemployed. I work my fucking ass off.
I will do well. and it's not because of who my father is, where I went to school, or the fact that I'm republican. It's because I work hard, have good values, and know that nothing can be given to me. I don't want to have people accusing me of coasting through life because of who my father is. I'm sorry I'm not bitter like you. It's what I believe and since you believe the opposite I'm not going to come out and call you a "tree hugger" or a "queer" or whatever other labels come with liberals. I really am not even offended by your comments. "

yea right

"The fact of the matter is that if you want some idealistic country where everybody shares everything no matter how hard they worked or how hard they didn't work than obviously you don't like democracy." oh no i love democracy. I do think that the wealth shoudl be spread a bit more evenly though.

"I'm glad you like my good typical Ugly American attitude. You have no idea on my stance other than on taxing. I do not support the war in Iraq, but I understand it. I'm sorry I support trying to end terrorism."

wow you have no clue right? what did saddam have to do w/ terrorism that other world leaders havent? he had nothing to do w/ 911 retard. that was the saudi's, another regime w/ a dictator, but Bush is friends w/ them still cuz of the oil.
"Hussein had to go, and if you don't agree than I'm sorry. My attitude isn't ugly. Your assumptions are ugly."
Well he was a bad man, but the Iraqi's dont seem to stoked that he's gone. They hate us. why? well maybe its the 9,000 Iraqi civilians we've killed, hitting schools w/ bombs that shoulve hit other targets, accidently shooting up a van that didnt stop at a check point killing 12 women and schoolchildren. Thats 3x the amount of people killed in 9/11....now whos the terrorists?

your response would be "well hussein had to go...he's a bad man and killed innocent iraqi's" well weve killed a whole slew of em too in our attempts to get halliburton those oil fields.

Jesse (April 21, 2004)

The war was not inevidible. The fact that we are the only country (besides England or Japan, but really, the prime ministers of both countries are just licking Bush's asshole) that was for this war should say something. Pay attention to the world, not just your own personal preferences.

Oh, and about raised taxes? How else do you think we're going to get out of the ONE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT that Bush has pushed us in? The amount of tax money that actually goes out in "hand outs" and "give-aways" is very miniscule compared to the amount that it actually comes back to us. How about those roads you are driving on or that public education you were too cool to care about? Taxes are the only way to have society function.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Anyone know who is on Vol 2?

Green Day, Good Charlotte, Propagandhi, Lawrence Arms....

Anyone know any others?

Thanks.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

this is a pro-Kerry album, which is ridiculous. Do you really think things would be any better under Kerry than under Bush, they're both wealthy white men from the upper crust of society. Their attempt at appearing different is a charade.

Also, this compilation has a bunch of weak songs, there is no flow or consistency and if this is such an important issue you would have thought the bands would have made more of an effort than submitting these half-assed pieces of shit that fill this comp.
Questionable cause, bad songs overall (alkaline trio is good, less than jake is good)

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Man I didnt see any of you jackasses do any against clinton comps.The main reason why a majority of the american people thought he was decent was because he supported gays and didnt start any wars because he too much of a pussy to start any shit anyway. When he got into the Lewinsky scandal, nobody paid any attention to what was going on with the economy or anything. Everybody paid attention to the fucking scandal. I hate you stubborn bastards who listen to your fav. bands thinking what their saying is true. Clinton would have gotten bin Laden in his hands but he didnt because he didnt think Osama was a threat. Clinton could've stop everything. He had all the information that pointed that bin Laden had something up his sleeve but Clinton didnt go after him. Everybody blames bush for not stopping 9/11 or he knew about the attacks that were planned. Clinton is the fuckhead that should be blamed for the knowing about bin Ladens plan ahead of time, not Bush. You all go ahead and vote for John fucking Kerry. And when he does go into office and he is a shitty president, I would be the only Bush supporter laughing in your(including Fat ass Fat Mike) faces. The war was something that was inevidible there was no way around it. Peace talks would've gone to shit any way. The hundreds of soldiers dying is something that we cant change, its part of war people die either its 1 soldier or a million soldiers. Even through all the deaths it will turn out for the better but later than you think. In all, Fuck Fat Mike, Fuck You Liberals, Fuck Kerry, and Fuck this website. I will go on to better things. VOTE FOR BUSH: VOTE AGAINST KERRY IM OUTTA HERE

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

I'm all about when people say "the fact of the matter is", to preface a point, just like pro wrestlers do.

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

Is it ignorant only because the view differs from yours? How can you say you aren't the ignorant one?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Wow, I thought that there were some ignorant people out there. But some of you top the fuckin taco. This is one of the most incredible political movements ever. Millions of people who knew nothing are showing interest and thousands are regestering to vote. Fat Mike is the man. blow me

lieutenant (April 21, 2004)

A fuck, this disc is growing on me.

The Billy Bragg collaberation with Less Than Jake is so choice.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

One day you're just gonna have to accept that there are lazy people, fella. Quit being a preening, crying, whining boy, grow some backbone, and don't toss around stale words like "racist" in attempts to preempt the credibility of a man with an opinion that doesn't gel with yours. And while I don't speak for Seth, my daddy taught me nothing--reality did. So stand on your soapbox and preach your ability to recognize reality because you help ex-junkies grapple with crises and help them to overcome seemingly unbearbale obstacles while preaching that the media has no control over you while simultaneously preaching the equality of mankind on racial and mental levels even though objective reality has no evidence of the former in an observable form. TV taught you, kiddo. Pack up your shit and move along to saving the world, one track mark at a time. You're finished.

Go ahead and vote. Really do. No matter Bush or Kerry or Sharpton, the govt's still gonna take a big 40% bite out of your ass every month. America is dead. Welcome to the USSA.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

John Kerry's new commercial-

"My fellow Americans, I know your voting for me to get Bush out of office. I know that many of the things the public is pissed at him about I often helped pass through congress. I know I need to tell you want you want to here, becase I've never initiated anything in my political carrer. And I know I'm only in this position because Howard Dean blew all his money within 3 days. But the point is, my fellow Americans, I hate Bush and so should you. Vote John Kerry."

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

yellowcard was supposed to be on this? maybe vol. 2

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

It's a fact the taxes will rise. It's been reported numerous times. I never said anything about blacks either. Fuck you for assuming shit you assume.
Fuck you also for thinking I'm a racist and I just beilieve what my dad told me. You know what, my dad probably makes more than you ever will, but he earned every fucking penny of it. When you have to pay for your own college you appreciate it more and work harder. That's what he did, and he earned everything he has. Yes I have met people on welfare. I'm not given a handout either. The only thing my parents do for me is pay for my education. They make me earn all my own money. I've worked with all kinds of underprivledged people, and I have more respect for them than when they work hard to better their lives. People who just can't get by when doing their best deserve welfare. People who just don't want to work, yet still be able to live nice on everyone else's money are who I am talking about. I'm willing to bet you yourself have never worked with the less fortunate and you are sitting high on your soapbox hiding behind a mask anonymousness. There aren't enough jobs because people don't want to do them. People think they are too good to be trash collectors or construction workers because of the stigmas attatched to them. If they would suck it up and swallow their pride than they could find work. If they had enver been on heroin in the first place, then maybe their lives wouldn't be in shambles. They have nobody to blame that they are addicted to heroin, so why should everybody else have to pay for their screw ups. I'm sorry they are in such a state, and applaud them for getting help, but it is their own fault. Since you have already assumed I have some superiority complex, if I felt I shouldn't have to work because I thought I was too good, should you have to give back your hard earned money to me, because of my own fucking up. Heroin and my example aren't the same, but both come back to choices that individuals make for themselves. So you think the economy waas better under Clinton. You are naive

but keep on being racist and say the unemployment line is full of 'lazy niggers' as i can read through your post and see thats what you think. keep thinking that , until you end up in one yourself.

Once again, it's such a cop out to say I'm a racist. You know what you asshole, I'm not going to end up unemployed. I work my fucking ass off.
I will do well. and it's not because of who my father is, where I went to school, or the fact that I'm republican. It's because I work hard, have good values, and know that nothing can be given to me. I don't want to have people accusing me of coasting through life because of who my father is. I'm sorry I'm not bitter like you. It's what I believe and since you believe the opposite I'm not going to come out and call you a "tree hugger" or a "queer" or whatever other labels come with liberals. I really am not even offended by your comments. The fact of the matter is that if you want some idealistic country where everybody shares everything no matter how hard they worked or how hard they didn't work than obviously you don't like democracy. I'm glad you like my good typical Ugly American attitude. You have no idea on my stance other than on taxing. I do not support the war in Iraq, but I understand it. I'm sorry I support trying to end terrorism. Hussein had to go, and if you don't agree than I'm sorry. My attitude isn't ugly. Your assumptions are ugly.

threechordsandthetruth (April 21, 2004)

"...from pretty good to mediocre to Pennywise"

assuming you meant this negatively, comment of the day!

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

agree with fat mike and his message or not, at least he's out there getting attention for his cause. it's sure better than all us people whining on the internet and not doing anything.

i'll take 3 million (potentially) misinformed young voters voting against bush over 3 million apathetic non-voters any day.

Hell, I'm even one of them.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Saying Bush is an ass is now becoming like saying Blink 182 are sell outs.

Everyone says it but no one cares anymore! It's just what teeny boppers are saying to be punk!

G.W.Bush is an asshole!!! am i punk yet?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

wow this guy is damn ignorant below me. nothing like a republican to be concerned that 'if we elect a demo, more of my taxes will go to the niggers and wetbacks, ship those animals to cuba i tell you'

i can hear the racism in your voice. just keep looking out for #1 and be concerned of money. fuck you selfish fuck. the reason there are so many unemployed is not cuz they're 'lazy'. have you really met people on welfare? or just the racist shit your dad told you? I worked in a methadone clinic (people addicted to herion) and many of them were on welfare. they werent living large. the enemployment rate is rediculous. there arent enough jobs, thanks to bush, and the economy is shit thanks to bush. but keep on being racist and say the unemployment line is full of 'lazy niggers' as i can read through your post and see thats what you think. keep thinking that , until you end up in one yourself. ship em to cuba right? really fucking ethnocentric of you. good typical ugly american attitude.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

so instead of taxing, lets spend all the money we don't have, so the rich can have some back, yay!

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

dear sethcohen,

you are a douche bag.

love,
everyone with a conscience

SethCohen (April 21, 2004)

The tax increases that will happen if Kerry gets into office are ridiculous. It's so stupid for Americans who work hard have to spend their money that some worked very hard to earn to have to give so much of it back to people who are too lazy to work. America gives to many free handouts. Instead of giving the lazy and unemployed handouts, only encouraging their laziness, why not get them up and working. And then to have to support illegal immigrants is also stupid. They don't speak English often times, and don't have simple things like insurance. Therefore, putting an unneeded burden on people who don't need it. It's fucking robbery. People steal your money through the government, and then a lot of them don't mind stealing your shit from your house either, or making up bullshit lawsuits to get money that way. It's these people who cause a lot of the problems in this country, so they should just fucking leave. If they want free handouts, move to fucking Cuba.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

This comp. is the sickest! Go guy it NOW.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

This would be better if the Yellowcard song would have made it on.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

"Don't get me wrong, I want bush out of there but fat mike is just fucking stupid. And it gets really annoying when everyone in the free world anywhere associated with "punk rock" is wearing their anti bush shirts because thats the cool thing to do."

PRINTED ON THE INSIDE OF THIS COMP.:

It's not about "Let's be punk rock and hate the government"; It's about "Let's be punk rock and change the government."

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Really good songs:Alk3, Rise Against and ....New found glory. yes i said it. No one has said anything about this song, I think because you all realize its good but no one wants to admit it. Well I will. I think this is a damn good song, way better than the other pop punk bands showings on this comp.

good songs:against me!, none more black, strike anywhere, nofx, denali , pennywise, strung out, rxbandits, soviettes, and ...believe it or not, anti flag and i hate them

so thats 13/26 songs that make the comp worth it.

the bad: ataris...man what a blatant move just to sell this cd to the kids, this song is a 2 track recording of kris roe playing an acoustic. this sounds like my band when were first writing a song and just trying to get something on tape to work with. horrible.

exposies, decendents and jello biafra...i dont' care how old or how much cred they have, these songs are cringe worthy. and the old offspring song is ok, but i can't stop thinking about 'original prankster' or 'hit that' when i'm listening to it.

the world inferno sounds like some serious hippy shit 'this land is your land, this land is my land' ...i'm serious...hippy garbage

never heard of the frisk before and this song explains why

the other 6 songs i havent mentioned are all just kinda there, not bad, not really good or anything special.

so in the end the comp is a great cause, and its a typical comp, hit or miss, only a few real keepers, but not many horrible ones either.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

>>the environment problems and major world problems involve personal attention, not just blaming it on a president, that is not largely responsible for a lot you people pin on him anyway.

The government has infinitely more power to stop (or continue) these problems than regular-type people. Creating a friendly administrative environent is essential to stopping these problems. Anyway, this president in particular is VERY responsible for worsening the environment and creating more global conflict.

>>but come on guys, punk rock sucks
you'll all be into indie by the time your in college...hopefully.

Flavor-of-the-month CMJ/Pitchfork shit is no better or worse than Hot Topic punk. How about instead of blindly declaring allegiance to "indie" or "punk," you actually develop some taste of your own?

The stuff on this comp ranges from pretty good to mediocre to Pennywise. I haven't made it to the World/Inferno, Frisk or NOFX songs yet so I can't really say what I think of it as a whole. This Denali song is really cool. Whatever.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

i totally agree with the guy two posts below me.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

when bush is gone... you haters are just gonna hate kerry just as much.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

im so fucking sick of the hate bush punk bandwagon. Im so fucking sick of fat mikes lame ass propaganda. Don't get me wrong, I want bush out of there but fat mike is just fucking stupid. And it gets really annoying when everyone in the free world anywhere associated with "punk rock" is wearing their anti bush shirts because thats the cool thing to do. I don't want to see little 6th and 7th graders sporting anti flag shirts saying "fuck bush" when they don't know a damn thing about politics.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

Offspring - Baghdad

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

what offspring track was on it?

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

yo strung out's new track is nice kid

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

this comp sucks ass

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

In my opinion it is a positive thing to remove someone who has sent over 700 troops to their death, countless innocent Iraqis to their death, stop a homophobe from permantly making gays second class citizens, help the enviroment, and remove a liar from office(and not just someone lying about a BJ). And I don't think its fair to critisize Kerry for who he married. Kerry may not be perfect, but its a step in the right direction.

Anonymous (April 21, 2004)

If there ever was a perfect comp, this is the closest you're going to get.

Sum 41, Against Me!, RX Bandits, Rise Against and Authority Zero all turn in really fucking GREAT songs.

Alkaline Trio, who I more or less hate, has the best track on the album.

Epoxies and The Soviettes, neither of you I've ever heard of, both inspired me to buy their albums based on their showings.

Desendents, NOFX, Anti-Flag and Social Distorion, Pennywise and World/Inferno all supply good songs that each play their part in making this comp 100% ESSENTIAL.

Of course, their were a few weak parts. Most notibely The Ataris. It seriously sounds like their singer was singing in the shower and someone recorded him from outside the door as a joke. The Frisk's song is pretty fucking awful too. I love their first album, but this is the shits. Wasn't a fan of the Ministry, Get Up Kids or Strung Out tracks either.

But no matter what, you're bound to find a good 10 songs that you like. That comes out to a dollar a song, plus you get the free DVD. Not too shabby.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

The record store over here already sold out of 'em today so I'll hafta wait a few more days for my copy.
Rats!

-MATEO

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Fuck scrolling down to see if this was already discussed...
How's "Jaw, Knee, Music"?

-MATEO D'CAY

greg6711 (April 20, 2004)

Jesse -

haha, yeah. English isn't my strong point.

The only comp I will be possibily purchasing would be the Plea for Peace one when it comes out in late summer.

I think going to a show like Plea for Peace is a great thing, and just learning about the problems of depression that is rampant in our society. I'd like to think that if everyone treated each other nicer things could be better and we'd have less of a drug dependant nation.

I know it's not that simple, but at least suicide awareness is a start in this perfection attaining society.

but we all shit right?

anyway, I digressed.
buy what you want.

But the only person i'm applauding right now for years of genuine life changing effort is Asian Man Records and Mike Park.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Can someone please explain the NOFX song to me. Is it just me or does the song have nothing to do with bush or politics. I don't get it.

kenfuggit (April 20, 2004)

"If you're dumb enough to vote, you're fucking dumb enough to believe 'em"

-Prop

Jesse (April 20, 2004)

For Jason-

That's because Kerry is a douche. Sure, he's better than Bush, but he's still a soft money whore. He married the fucking Heniz fortune for chrissakes...it's not about vote Kerry, it's about "vote anyone but Bush."

For Greg-

I find too much irony in the way you use the word "your" when speaking about going to college...it should be "you're." Hehehe...

For The KoR-

Alkaline Trio has, and always will, suck. Trust me, I don't need fucking drug addict alcoholics singing pop-punk that everyone says isn't pop-punk.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Haha I like the Ataris comment about the talkboy. I forgot all about those.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Wanna hear something funny? Go to the PunkVoter website and search for the keyword "bush" in the last year. It will give you a huge list of matches, all displaying that Bush veto label.

Now search for "kerry." Any matches? Didn't think so.

Fat Mike and Crew are too busy uniting against a common enemy to focus on a coherent goal. Call me conservative, but this is totally irresponsible. His website is attacking Bush, but not offering any real solutions.

There's no lever in the voting booth that says "Against George W. Bush."

This score is for hard "Sink, Florida, Sink" rocks me.

- Jason

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

None More Black and Alk3 songs are great

Barkley

notfeelingcreative (April 20, 2004)

As much as I dislike bush, and still listen to punk bands in my mid-twenties, I think greg6711 is right about channeling all of the negativity towards bush into something positive. However, that's kind of tough to do when we seem to be constantly in a state of conflict. If more of my tax dollars could go to AIDS research or programs for poor single mothers, or troubled children instead of war and weaponery (No, i'm not saying that all of our money is poured into defense either), but being a pacifist, any is too much!), I might actaully shut my mouth once in a while!

Rocks03 (April 20, 2004)

Dam great CD and dam good reason for it. Get Bush out of Government. I vote for republicans but i won't vote for him!!!

greg6711 (April 20, 2004)

To anyone dissapointed with the comp, remember it is a comp...and it's not going to great the whole way through.

Don't support his cause, and I wish instread of praising partisan politics we could challenge all this hatred of GW toward something positive..

Suggestions:
aids research -
doctors without borders

the environment problems and major world problems involve personal attention, not just blaming it on a president, that is not largely responsible for a lot you people pin on him anyway.

But getting back to the review. Fat Mike has his views, and surely this will be sucessful for him.

I'll hold my dollars, not mainly because I think it's a wasted effort....

but come on guys, punk rock sucks

you'll all be into indie by the time your in college...hopefully.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

This is like the longest period of time not one person has said a bad thing about A3 in a thread. BSD, are you gonna take a shot or what?

-The KoR

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

This Alkaline Trio song is amazing. Something that stays true to the Trio but still has a fresh sound. Badass.

losingstreakca (April 20, 2004)

im a little upset that the david cross footage on the dvd is from his act 2 years ago and that it appears on his cd. but its still fucking rad that he is on this.

an yes the strung out song is the best song on the cd. hands down

lieutenant (April 20, 2004)

The Epoxies song made me cringe. I really dislike how the singer plays up the highs of her voice. It's not charming. It's annoying.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

"Fat Mike is a voting American who also happens to front a punk band. He is standing up for what he believes in and is making his voice heard. He also has the support of several other people."

if i'm not mistaken, Fat Mike admitted to not voting in the last US election.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Methinks the NOFX song is just a cut from The War On Errorism. Listen to the commercial from the Regaining Unconsciousness EP. Sounds like one of the "Dude, that didn't make the record" songs. I know they recorded for this comp though. Maybe just some improvements. Oh well, good song anyway

thriceequalsgod (April 20, 2004)

"Holy shit, Modest Mouse is outselling Barry Manilow and the Duff!"

and William Hung!!!

thriceequalsgod (April 20, 2004)

"Did you ever consider voting for an honest, free-thinking politician like Dubya"

huh?

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

o yeah alkaline trio and rise against are very good

but the best on that album is the Strung Out song fuck man this guys kick serious asses!! cant wait to the new album i agree wit the guy that the new strung out will be the best of the year by far anybody know when it come out?

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

the alkaline trio song is one of thebest on the album, the strung out song is awesome as well. strung outs new album is gonna be the best this year.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

i expect to see fat in the postbush era regress back to penny ante charity contributions and a likewise regression in songwriting or interest in there roster of bands as we miss bush like all the 80's punk bands miss reagan.

After bush, i guess we'll start blaming the congress.

wyzo

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

the new rise against song is AMAZING.. the offspring song is good but old.. none more black one is cool too..

hubitcherkokov (April 20, 2004)

The new Strung Out sounds a bit more metal. YAH!

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

The soviettes are like tilt if tilt was good.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

I'm going to pick this up for the new Strung Out track. Is it any good? And is it poppy or metal-ish?

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

An album like this is made because this country is too fucking stupid to see that President Warbrain and the Chickenhawks are leading America in a dangerous direction. With Bush, we are turning into Jesus freak nation.

This comp does rule, a lot of good songs, some bad ones, but a good comp and can't wait for Vol. 2.

8dollarclarinetsolo (April 20, 2004)

i like the cause and all but i got this today and think its actually pretty weak.. i dunno. i dont like the none more black song as much as any of the song the cd, but i think i just dont like the production. the descendents song was unreleased for a reason, and other than the songs ive heard already, the only pleasant suprise was the soviettes, damn i like that track. the alkaline trio song was cool too

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

http://www.billboard.com/bb/charts/bb200.jsp

Holy shit, Modest Mouse is outselling Barry Manilow and the Duff!

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

hay were da hell is da nu Hanson revuw?

gladimnotemo (April 20, 2004)

The Against Me! song is absolutely brilliant. I didn't think they could top the acoustic version, but somehow, they did. I want to cry when I hear it.

The Soviettes song is pretty kickin' too, as with the Anti-Flag and NOFX. But the rest of the album is sub-par.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

"...voting for an honest, free-thinking politician like Dubya instead of a rich thickhead like Kerry..."

Right, 'cause the Bush family can always plead poverty as their connection to the common man. Getting into the National Guard during the 60's and 70's was for rich kids ONLY!!!

TheOneTrueBill (April 20, 2004)

I forgot that this came out today.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

"There is a full album. The song "Thats Progress" is from the album "Last Scream Of The Missing Neighbors' that Jello released with DOA in 1989 on Alt Tentacles. "

Yes, that is why I posted a link to the interview with Joey Shithead...READ IT!

-Janelle

dignin (April 20, 2004)

"Everybody in the world say that G.W.Bush is an asshole. I come from Switzerland. It's the same in France, Germany... He is a bad joke. I think that only the american poeple are blind"

If you guys got the same bullshit media coverage we do, a lot of Euros would be fooled too.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

You people are horrible, I hope when you realize how ignorant you're hippy politics are you drop dead. Did you ever consider voting for an honest, free-thinking politician like Dubya instead of a rich thickhead like Kerry

adam (April 20, 2004)

There is a full album. The song "Thats Progress" is from the album "Last Scream Of The Missing Neighbors' that Jello released with DOA in 1989 on Alt Tentacles.

-adam

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

the jello biafra song is awesome, i want a full album!

Jesse (April 20, 2004)

To the anonymous poster-

You have a very angry and ignorant view of politics. I don't feel like I can argue with you anymore, because all you are saying is "I hate this guy, so I'd rather subject the world to more pointless wars that are costing civilians of other countries their lives."

To notfeelingcreative-

I agree, there are better phrased opinions out there, but they aren't as controvertial. Look at how much impact Bowling For Columbine made in comparison to anything Zinn or Parenti have written. Sure, I'd rather read their stuff, but Fat Mike and Moore are creating documents for display through mass media. Well informed opnions never generate as much interest as someone saying "Fuck Bush."

CrankWillDestroy (April 20, 2004)

Oh yea that new Stereotyperider 'Under the Influence' is out today. It rocks as well.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Everybody in the world say that G.W.Bush is an asshole. I come from Switzerland. It's the same in France, Germany... He is a bad joke. I think that only the american poeple are blind

sickboi (April 20, 2004)

The Epoxies? Ugh....

That None More Black song is the rock.

I think the A3 song is excellent, and I don't even like them very much.

The Descendents song is bueno, along with the Strung Out track.

Whoever made the comment about the Ataris song was dead on, that shit sounds like it was recorded in a Port-A-John on a fucking Talkboy. Crap. I think they were only put on this comp to make more little kids buy it. Weak.

The NoFX song is great too. All the references in it made me smile.

All in all, good comp, but cohesion was lacking.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Alkaline Trio's "Warbrain" is amazing.

REALPUNX4LIFE (April 20, 2004)

The Soviettes won this comp and all you idiots forgot about that. "Paranoia Cha Cha Cha" is better than the entire last 3/4 of LP. It might even be better than the first three songs on LP. The Epoxies would've won except that they couldn't be bothered to write a new song. As it stands, Against Me! came in a close second. And "Sad State of Affairs" is hardly ska. It's not good, but it's not ska.

CrankWillDestroy (April 20, 2004)

*make

CrankWillDestroy (April 20, 2004)

' I hate people like Fat Mike and Michael moore that use that dont shut the fuck up. '

That didn't make sense. Either way, love him or hate him for what he stands for, by your logic, you must hate Dennis Miller and Ann Coulter, too. There basically doing the same thing, but for the right-wing, running their useless mouths. Either way, I don't think Fat Mike will such a fuss if Bush is voted out so you would rather vote for Bush and hear Fat Mike bitch about it for another 4 years? because that's what will happen.

Anyway....Shit! that new None More Black rocks. So does the Descendents and Rise Against. That's all I've dl'd so far, but i'm picking this up as soon as i get outta here.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Fat Mike is a voting American who also happens to front a punk band. He is standing up for what he believes in and is making his voice heard. He also has the support of several other people.

Call me crazy, but I'd rather hear punk songs about the current state of the union than farts.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Interview with Joey Shithead/D.O.A.:

http://www.rebelnoise.com/viewinterview.php?i d=70&PHPSESSID=f300c0f909f0ccafed81cb5fe668b1c8

-Janelle

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

"ending the album with an acoustic Ataris song really seems to go against any spirit the album had attempted to maintain."

The album ends with a Less Than Jake song.

The World/Inferno songs is cool. It's the first I've heard from them so I have nothing to compare it to.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

damn god, how is the world/ inferno song!?

lieutenant (April 20, 2004)

The Rock Against Bush comp is really weak. There are a couple of standout tracks (though that notion may be heavily dependent on which bands you like), however as a compilation itself, it is incredibly sloppy. The track listing seems to follow no such formula and there is zero grace to be found. The New Found Glory song sticks out like a sore thumb and ending the album with an acoustic Ataris song really seems to go against any spirit the album had attempted to maintain. It's a haven for unreleased material of bands you may like, but it's really better suited as a mixtape you made on the go for music on the subway, as opposed to a 'fully functioning' comp.

Lieutenant Out.

TheNightProwler (April 20, 2004)

I got this CD back on Friday and my only big complaint about it is the Bad Religion cover that The Ataris did. Horrible bands like The Ataris shouldn’t be allowed to cover good songs by good bands like Bad Religion...

I don’t know, maybe I wouldn’t be so angry if the production on that track wasn’t so piss poor.

notfeelingcreative (April 20, 2004)

Fat Mike and Micahel Moore let their emotions corrup their message, though I agree with their opinions most of the time, i'd rather read howard zinn or Michael Parenti, there's less distortion of facts!

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

Are you retarded? I didnt even make a comment on anything except how i hate fat mike with a passion.

You made a rant over absolutely nothing. Fat Mike is a bosterious(sp) asshole that has no educational perspective on anything he talks about. Hes a drunk slob that simply should stick to the penis and fart jokes and stay away from politics. Can he put together a good comp? I would say he can. Can he have a sucessful music career? Obviously he can....Can he run a record label? Yes. Is he a fucking moron about politics? Absolutely. Im not even a Bush supporter but if it was listen to fat mike spew his bullshit propaganda or vote GW Bush for another 4 years, i would vote bush. I hate people like Fat Mike and Michael moore that use that dont shut the fuck up. Great you have opinions, so do i. If someone is there for your music, which mostly consists of stupid jokes they shouldnt have to sit through your ridiculous "Vote democrat" speech....

Jesse (April 20, 2004)

"I hate Fat Mike with a passion."

So? That doesn't mean that he's not trying to put out a good message. Put aside personal vendettas. It doesn't matter who you hate, why you hate them, why this or that or whatever-

It's about the fact that our current system of government is not working the way it should be, and change needs to take place. It's not about hating Bush-it's about disagreeing with his policies and getting him AND HIS REGIME (the one's mostly responsible for this mess) out of office.

The facts are there:

1) W. has spent more money than any other President. How is this Conservative?

2) The current government has misled the nation into thinking that Iraw was an imminent threat to our country. Not only that but they have lied about it and have been caught in their lies. Just watch the interviews with Condoleeza Rice and Donald Rumsfeld

There are so many more items I could list, but I'm not going to for the sheer fact that this post is getting long, but I have one last thing to say.

Yes, Fat Mike holds a biased opinion. Yes, MoveOn.org uses mudslinging tactics. So does everyone who has some sort of political agenda. The best way to get a message out to the people is to use shock tactics. If you need an example, look at how popular Marilyn Manson is.

This score is for MoveOn.org, and I suggest everyone visit their website and watch the commercial segments they have created.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

I just bought this at lunch.

Best $9.99 I've spent in a long time. Can't wait to watch the DVD tonight.

mikeinflames (April 20, 2004)

the nofx song is weak as shit
buy the album for the new Alkaline Trio and Rise Against songs

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

I give George W. 4 more years at the most. - Tahoejeff

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

I hate Fat Mike with a passion.

Fuzzy (April 20, 2004)

Just to watch political science here for a second...of course the DVD isn't going to be radical, because Fat Mike is aligning himself with the "Change within the system" folks as of late, as opposed to the radicals, who seek not reform, but rather complete change. Good review.

Ted_The_Bellhop (April 20, 2004)

How was the World Inferno song? Cause I heard they were on it. Also, what is the name of the song they do on it?

LogJammin (April 20, 2004)

I just heard part of the ALK3 song on the website, and it's way fresh.

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

First

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

How come NOFX and AntiFlags songs arent about Rocking Against Bush?

Anonymous (April 20, 2004)

punkvoter lies

AmericanIdle (April 20, 2004)

"it's about uniting against a common enemy."

Unless you're Progaghandi.

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