one of my favorite hardcore albums, and band

such a good record. when i first got it i wasnt so into it, but after a few listens to totally grew on me

Posted by drbino on 2008-04-11 11:31:05
My Score:

Just got this album the other day, so far so good! Kickass driving tunes.

Posted by bytheslice on 2007-08-15 21:08:46
My Score:

Great record. I will buy every album PIB puts out if their as good as the first two.

Posted by bloofy on 2006-10-18 06:24:41
My Score:

This album is pretty sharp, but I like the no-bullshit style of CVA more. And I prefer the production on it.

Posted by The_Pro_From_Dover on 2006-07-09 22:49:37
My Score:

Thank you, PIB, for restoring my faith in hardcore.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 3, 2006 at 2:10 PM (EST)
My Score:

Great CD, shit review.

"Goddamn, where has Comeback Kid ever said they were christian and where in their lyrics does it ever say anything about religion?"

Them being on FaceDown records an album ago is a more than clear indication.

-------------------------

One or two of the memebers of CK were in Figure Four too, who are hella Christian-core or whatever.

"Goddamn, where has Comeback Kid ever said they were christian and where in their lyrics does it ever say anything about religion?"

Them being on FaceDown records an album ago is a more than clear indication.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 at 8:22 PM (EDT)
My Score:

I'm digging this album mostly for Yemin's tempered and more moderate rage, and the fact that they introduced a melodic element to the music. The combination makes the album more anthemic as opposed to just a collection of songs.

The only hardcore record that has a chance of topping this one will be the new MLIW.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 at 9:55 AM (EDT)
My Score:

2 words: it kicks assss

Posted by tristan on 2005-03-20 15:21:16
My Score:

Big ups to that first comment - the lyrics on this thing put 90% of the world's hardcore bands to shame. Rock on, Dr. Dan!

Yeah, I understand some of what you're saying Kenjamin (especially stuff like Reagan Youth's early output), but these new records don't get the intensity of the bands playing together that those old ones do... And it depends what you like better about it, the intensity or the loudness. I prefer the old sounding stuff because it sounds like what it was: 4 or 5 pissed off adolescents playing hyper charged rock n roll... Stuff like this is no doubt awesome, but sounds kind of too professional.

-BSD

Not trying to start a confrontation or anything with you dude, I love old school shit, but I personally think that the better production of today captures the intensity much better. I swear that all of my favorite old school bands would sound soooo much better with even the crummiest of today's recording equipment.

If anyone wants to read a non shitty review i strongly suggest this one

http://www.punkinternational.com/v2/content.php?review.426

Posted by dazed on 2005-03-11 01:43:03
My Score:

This album doesn't sound overly professional to me at all; after hearing "Election Day" I actually thought of "Wake Up Screaming".

I kind of like the fact that it doesn't sound like it was recorded in '83 though. It'd be kind of lame for a band that's already playing such a well-worn style to copy every little aspect of their hardcore influences.

HAEV U GUYS HEARD DA NU 50CANT CD???!!!?! WTF H3S DA IL3ST RAPAR 3VER!1!!! OMG WTF MAH MOM 2K M3 2 G3T IT AFTAR SKOOL 2DAY1111!!! LOL

"Stuff like this is no doubt awesome, but sounds kind of too professional"

Hmm i never thought of it that way. Good point.

F-Minus= The greatest and most underrated punk band in recent years.

Yeah, I understand some of what you're saying Kenjamin (especially stuff like Reagan Youth's early output), but these new records don't get the intensity of the bands playing together that those old ones do... And it depends what you like better about it, the intensity or the loudness. I prefer the old sounding stuff because it sounds like what it was: 4 or 5 pissed off adolescents playing hyper charged rock n roll... Stuff like this is no doubt awesome, but sounds kind of too professional.

-BSD

F-Minus fucks up one of the tracks on Wake Up Screaming disc but Albini just leaves it all in. Love it.

Oh and Albini is fucking untouchable. Shellac on 180gram? Christ that sounds good.

BSD, that's what bums me out about listening to records from the 80s. and before. I mean, the intensity of the player translates but the volume and tone are just not there. Whereas, I'm sure the live shows were amazing and sounded great, seeing as how most hardcore bands of today are using vintage equipment from the 70s anyways.

I think what matters most is just representing the energy of a live set when it comes to recording hardcore... I mean, yeah, these bands try to "experiment" on record, but the best hardcore has always been a live thing. That's why I think "Wake Up Screaming" was so good, it sounds exactly like F-Minus did when I saw them.

-BSD

"it is essentially the new Sunset Strip hair-metal"

Hardcore is the new hair-metal? really? I guess i haven't been paying close attention lately (i'm old). Would someone care to expand on that idea?

I don't know, it doesn't seem to clean to me. I downloaded it a few weeks ago, and thought I had just gotten a shitty bitrate, but bought it Tuesday and sure enough, same quality.

For me, clean production is the ability to easily single out each instrument, vox and backup vox while listening. I can do that with "Wake Up Screaming", I can do that with "CVA", but I can't do it with "Paradise".

well said cos

Posted by Cos on 2005-03-10 14:40:35
My Score:

Hardcore had to go somewhere. Whether it was Bad Religion adding more melodic sing alongs or Youth of Today emphasizing the breakdowns, music can't just stay the same forever--which is exactly why it burned out in the mid-80s and evolved (or devolved, probably) into crossover. There wasn't anywhere left to go, what with so many bands playing short, fast and loud.

Hardcore is just cursed because of its more ruled by dogma and limitations than any other genre of punk. I hate the whole "screamo" thing as much as anyone, but the evolution really makes sense. Hardcore has always leaned dangerously close to metal, and now that it is essentially the new Sunset Strip hair-metal makes perfect sense.

With all that, its great to see Paint It Black embrace post-punk ideas without sounding anything like a Dischord band. And thank all that is good and pure in this world for Jade Tree. When they put out a hardcore band, I know it'll kick ass (the rest of the catalog... that's another story).

--Cos

So seductive.

Sickboi -

Regardless, it's still extremely clean. I mean if you listen to the F-Minus record, it's Steve Albini and sounds great. It's clean and great but still rough and rugged.

Posted by Crookedsuperhero on 2005-03-10 13:22:56
My Score:

"265,"

Two errors.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 10, 2005 at 12:56 PM (EST)
My Score:

the new 50 cent is pretty hardcore

I don't have any idea as to where someone got the idea this album has clean production. "CVA" was 10x cleaner than this.

Personally, I like cleaner production. Now I'm not saying to pro-tool your sound to something making it a polar opposite to your live sound, but if you have the means to produce a better sounding record, why not?

"we HATE the direction that these new and supposedly "punk influenced" bands are taking music. Screamo, cookie cutter atmospheric indie rock, metalcore (not punk metal), new-wave dance garage rock... whatever you wanna label it, it has no edge to it... and we ("wack scenesters") think it sucks."

Actually, I love that there are so many shitty hardcore bands proliferating these days. Hopefully the fad of shit screamo and metalcore douchery will fucking end and we'll go back to the late 80's and early 90's with bands like Infest and No Comment to completely restore my faith in the scene. I'm fucking sick of "joke thrash", "Art-dmamged" and techmetal grind. That shit has no soul, man.

Brandon, I know your position on hardcore/metal but you don't seem to take into account anything besides what has been going on in Britain and the US. Scenes like brazil came from metal roots (armageddom, existencia de odio, RDP) and evoled into a modern hardcore with only slight metal influences. How would you explain scenes like japan or finland? International scenes have their own styles with varying degrees of experimentation.

-Ken

Eh, what about Fugazi, the Rites of Spring, NoU, and others? Shit, even Helmet.

I'd say, because of hardcore's generally less experimental audience, it evolved into crossover, then from there split into grind, crust, "old skool" tough guy crap, and continues to get further split up.

-BSD

To the kid who thinks I am a "whack scenester"- metalcore, emo, screamo, etc. is not an evoltuion of hardcore punk. If anything this crap branched off from a mix of radio pop punk and nu metal. In my opinion hardcore punk DID evolve, but that evolution kind of disappeared. Hardcore punk EVOLVED would be bands like Flipper, Nausea, Samhain, late era Black Flag, Butthole Surfers, etc. I know those bands all occupy different musical styles, but they all seemed to have the intensity and edge of early hardcore punk.....and most started out that way. That style never went much further than those bands, and therefore today there is very little "hardcore punk" influenced music.

Fuck you. Fuck all of you.

-Anon E. Mouse

"i think he was being ironic."

You mean you were cause you were the one who typed it

**********

AHA!!! .... or, in short, ... umm... that's just not true.

i did not write about the "wack scenesters," but it's obvious to anyone who read it that his logic lent itself to backfiring.

i am, however, the guy who posted about the Ass Jester.

"DAVE WAGENSCHUTZ is in the great GREAT band GOOD RIDDANCE, lets not forget that, he rules and so does ROOD RIDDANCE FOOLS"

ROOD RIDDANCE? Damn it, now they're a ska band?!!!

"i think he was being ironic."

You mean you were cause you were the one who typed it

i think he was being ironic.

"you're all a bunch of wack scenesters. too cool for metalcore, too smart for pop-punk, too happy and/or unique for emo...so now it's back to hardcore & hardcore punk, where a lot of this other shit came from. you bitches."

Well according to the above definition, I'm a "wack scenester"... And you basically backfired on your whole point, the reason we're going back to hardcore and punk is because we HATE the direction that these new and supposedly "punk influenced" bands are taking music. Screamo, cookie cutter atmospheric indie rock, metalcore (not punk metal), new-wave dance garage rock... whatever you wanna label it, it has no edge to it... and we ("wack scenesters") think it sucks.

"DAVE WAGENSCHUTZ "

No wonder the drumming on this album kicks so much ass. This guy is ridiculous (in the good way).

DAVE WAGENSCHUTZ is in the great GREAT band GOOD RIDDANCE, lets not forget that, he rules and so does ROOD RIDDANCE FOOLS

Fuck this Comeback Kid talk... Paradise the new record NMDS is recording will be the best hardcore records of the year.

No thanks ma'am.. I'll pass on trash

you'll get it if you watch more duff.

she's pretty radical.

I dont get what you kids have with her........

why is the black goo coming from the suit in the shape of africa?

you're all a bunch of wack scenesters. too cool for metalcore, too smart for pop-punk, too happy and/or unique for emo...so now it's back to hardcore & hardcore punk, where a lot of this other shit came from. you bitches.

Lohan is just a trashy lush.

Duff evokes a sort of fun, awkward, and exciting youth ala John Cusack or John Cryer in the 1980s.

it looks like someone smashed hillary duff's face in with a frying pan. not attractive at all.

Posted by the_wang on 2005-03-09 07:50:35
My Score:

score is for rolling stones

and for lindsey lohan, who is hotter and more badass than hilary duff

Dude, don't hate on the Duffster. She's cool.

cursed -II is way better than this and the new comeback kid

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 9, 2005 at 12:12 AM (EST)
My Score:

Yeah I would say this is actually a bit better than CVA overall.

Do you kids really like Hilary Duff?..hahah why? thats just sad

Exactly what Jesse said... Lavish production for hardcore usually just turns me off.

But this is still great stuff, I'm sure.

-BSD

that, below me, was impressive.

Nice rant against the Duff Stuff.

Those 13 year old kids must be cooler than we initially thought.

Hilary and the "Assking" Stage? Hmmm... You're the fucking Ass King. Why don't you stop your whining about how much you hate yourself and how smarmy you are and let go of your inhibitions.

In fact, you are not an Ass King. In the royal court, you might aspire to be an Ass Duke, but really you're just an older version of an Ass Clown, an Ass Jester.

The production isn't that clean. Its a near perfect album and Paint It Black is just going to get better.

Musically it's written well, but the delivery just isn't what I want out of a hardcore band. The ultra clean J.Robbins production turns me off.

I don't mind it, it's just this is no F-Minus, which to me is the epitome of a popular hardcore in these modern days. I'm sure there are some lesser known bands that rip shit up, but that's not what I'm referring to.

- This cd owns ass. Better than CVA imo, and thats something amazing.

- Enough about comeback kid... their last cd was generic as all hell, and, although I havent heard the new one, I doubt it's any better.

- Stop bitching about the review. Brandon always puts out extremely good reviews (3rd best reviewer on this site, behind adam and aubin), so enough of the bitching.

"Hilary and assking stage is cool"

what?

I agree again! Wow, this is weird.

Two more points:

-This, for me at least, is what propels PIB above None More Black.

-For the record, we got in three reviews in for the album, and all of of them were even from people who didn't receive the album for a punknews review. This one, which was probably the best, Hein's, and a 10-scored user review from a Mr. Steve Jablonski which wasn't quite up to par.

If you guys are really foaming at the mouth for another review I'm sure me or Aubin can whittle something up.

i like mine blue. thanks

Pink Slip kills everything

Posted by Big_Guy on 2005-03-08 18:49:08
My Score:

This album is fucking amazing. Probably the best of the year so far and going to stay like that. Seriously the best hardcore album in a long time. But the live show is where this band thrives. I saw them in Philly for their release show and it was honestly the best show ever.

"they think Jesus exists!"

I don't think any archeologist or historian would argue that Jesus existed, considering Roman records mention him. You would probably look less stupid if you questioned his divinity.

Posted by slippy on 2005-03-08 18:03:02
My Score:

This band fucking rips live. Go see them!

Goddamn, where has Comeback Kid ever said they were christian and where in their lyrics does it ever say anything about religion?

I hate to bum out those Comeback Kid fans, but they totally sucked BEFORE I found out they were christians! Paradise is a great record with deep roots in hardcore (Dag Nasty, Embrace, the Faith) with a contemporary sense of urgrncy.

Posted by dazed on 2005-03-08 16:50:27
My Score:

CVA was very straightforward and the basslines drove most of the songs imho. Paradise has a lot of little quirks that seem to be love/hate: the rawer production, more variation in the timing within songs and a whole lot more feedback. Also there's a lot of melodic riffs in places they wouldn't be on the first album making the guitar stand out more than the bass. I like it better but it's easy to see how any of those changes might be off-putting to others.

Also Annihilation Time reminds me more of Bl'ast! than Paint it Black although they certainly are all Black Flag-influenced.

Posted by CrookedSuperhero on 2005-03-08 16:25:07
My Score:

"Is "Atheists In Foxholes" anti-atheists? If so, eww."

Way to miss te he point completly.

"Seriously. I'll probably cause a shit-storm for saying this again, but I like None More Black a hell of a lot more than PIB."

me too, man. me too.

"Last time I counted, 8.5 is still pretty good. Probably not as good as your bands new record though, right?"

He meant you can't give an "8.5" on punknews.org since the scores go in whole number integers.

"totally a step forward, which is fucking hard to do considering CVA is probably one the best hardcore albums in the past 5 years."

Where do you get off saying things like that? Like honestly, reading your comments it seems pretty obvious that you don't know all too much about hardcore.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 4:11 PM (EST)
My Score:

"Is "Atheists In Foxholes" anti-atheists? If so, eww."

uhh, no.

The Hilary Duff shit is plain lame. Just a bunch of 13 year old kids who can't get any mumbling "Hilary and assking stage is cool"

SHUT THE FUCK UP KIDS.
it was never amusing

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 3:51 PM (EST)
My Score:

CVA is a shitload better than this.
I was pretty disappointed.

And also, the sound is rather shittily annoying, and is one of the most ear-bleeding records I own, and that's bad.

Sound, plus not-CVA, equals a SIX.

Is "Atheists In Foxholes" anti-atheists? If so, eww.

"Shorter, Faster, Stronger"

Shorter, Faster, Louder.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 2:46 PM (EST)
My Score:

"easily one of the most promising hardcore bands in the world today..."

For that statement, I'd take the following bands:
-Look Back and Laugh
-Voetsek
-Umlaut
-Infect (brazil)
-Hero Dishonest (finland)
-Migra Violenta

-Ken

"Hilary Duff jokes... They're not even funny in an ironic way, just really fucking annoying."

They're not meant to be ironic because the intended meaning is the exact same as the literal meaning. Hilary Duff is awesome. Paint It black is awesome. Get with the program.

Posted by pastepunk on 2005-03-08 14:20:35
My Score:

Since this thread has evolved into a discussion of quality of reviews... I might as well throw my own into the fray...

http://www.pastepunk.com/viewcdreview.php?id=1473

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 1:58 PM (EST)
My Score:

first of all...this review isnt that great. second of all, i've had this album for 2 weeks, and i can honestly say it's one of the best hardcore punk albums i've ever heard. he does get it right when he says this album can rip the face off of just about any other band releasing albums today, but honestly, dan yemin wanted to experiment with this record, and he did just that with songs like "pink slip" and of course, "memorial day". CVA stuck to the hardcore rulebook, and in many ways is EXACTLY what hardcore used to be, but this wasnt supposed to exactly be a typical hardcore punk record. in many ways, this demonstrates even moreso what real hardcore is about. it's not about fucking fashion, it's not about cool breakdowns, it's about playing music that means something and actually expresses something. i think this album has more heart put into it than any hardcore record since CVA, period.

Posted by ElVaquero on 2005-03-08 13:33:45
My Score:

CVA is one of my favorite hardcore albums of the last 50 years (can't start comparing them to Django just yet), but this shit is straight whack. I can't dig it. My score stands.

I was talking about CBK witht he whole Jesus thing. Of course life seems beautiful when you've got something like God or Jesus to believe in, but I just can't relate being an atheist and all. That's all I was saying.

Also, I think this is tied with CVA, but if I had my pick, it'd be "Shorter, Faster, Stronger" by Kid Dynamite (did i get the album name right?).

Whoah, whoah, whoah....back up.

1. CVA is a better all around record, though this is damn good.
2. When did "posi" become synonymous with "Jesus".
3. I don't recall 7 Seconds being religious, and they are pretty much the godfathers of posi.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 1:21 PM (EST)
My Score:

I saw them on Fri in NY, and let me tell you this band fucking rocks. This is the hardcore punk album of 2005. A mixture of Minor Threat, Embrace, and sheer fucking rage.

Posted by moneenerd on 2005-03-08 12:54:50
My Score:

"Also, moneenerd, have you ever actually listened to CBK or gone to a show? After listening to them heavily for the past 2 years and seeing them like 8 times, I don't see how on earth they are preachy at all. Posi = Preachy? You kids will call anyone out on anything, even if it doesn't make sense"

I was just teasing CBK for being a Christian hardcore band. I like them a lot, but they're doing nothing new. They're just really good at doing old things. Plus, I'll take what Paint It Black has to say a lot more seriously than what CBK does. I dunno... And of course they're posi... they think Jesus exists!

"is this melodic?"

Obviously you don't listen to 80s hardcore.

let me rephrase that: is it melodic AND minor-key? most hardcore chord progressions suck

is this melodic?

Posted by Inspection12e on 2005-03-08 11:58:45
My Score:

I didn't like the mp3s I heard. I think i'll stick with CVA for now.

Awesome band, what I've heard of this record is really impressive.

Joe

Posted by thirtyseconds on 2005-03-08 11:27:05
My Score:

This album's pretty fab, but got to say I was actually disappointed with it- with the amount of hype people were giving it. Still rocks massively though. Despite track 4. What the fuck is up with that.

People sure are funny on this site, diminishing opinions that don't match this sites "bandwagon."

Seriously. I'll probably cause a shit-storm for saying this again, but I like None More Black a hell of a lot more than PIB.

Posted by jamespastepunk on 2005-03-08 11:09:09
My Score:

Yeah, Victory or CBK asked for "hXc album of the year" debates when they put that sticker on the CD.

I'm holding out for Bane, though. Aaron's got quite a bit to be pissed about in four years, and that, on its own, excites me about what that band will produce.

An 8.5 at best? That's not even an option, fucker.

People sure are funny on this site, diminishing opinions that don't match this sites "bandwagon."

Last time I counted, 8.5 is still pretty good. Probably not as good as your bands new record though, right?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 10:37 AM (EST)
My Score:

Why is everyone comparing this to the new Comeback Kid? They're two different styles. I guess victory brought it on by slapping "HARDCORE ALBUM OF THE YEAR" on the cover...

Also, moneenerd, have you ever actually listened to CBK or gone to a show? After listening to them heavily for the past 2 years and seeing them like 8 times, I don't see how on earth they are preachy at all. Posi = Preachy? You kids will call anyone out on anything, even if it doesn't make sense.

Anyway, I dug CVA a lot, but I doubt anyone in my town will even have this album.

even though i cant say im really too into these guys, im gonna pick this up and give it a shot.

blast were nothing but a black flag rip off. still a great band though.

An 8.5 at best? That's not even an option, fucker.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 9:16 AM (EST)
My Score:

Here's what allmusic.com has to say about the new Evens record (it got 4/5):

"It would be easy to review the Evens' first album solely in the context of both members' previous work. But what's more important is the here and now, which this album so expertly exposes. Ian MacKaye and Amy Farina have quite a pedigree behind them, but it never weighs down this record. Lyrically, this is about as political as you can get, but it never gets preachy, as some have accused MacKaye of being many times in the past. Musically, the loud, feedback-driven angular rock of Fugazi and the post-punk of the Warmers is alluded to, but mostly pushed aside in favor of well-structured atmospherics ("Minding One's Business," "Until They're Clear"), brilliant harmonies ("Around the Corner"), and arguably some of the most danceable music that MacKaye has ever been involved in making ("All These Governors," "Mt. Pleasant Isn't"). The myth is that MacKaye is so singular a figure in music that the only one who could work alongside him is someone as visceral as he is supposed to be, but the truth is that he tends to work with people who complement his style both musically and vocally. And this is the real genius of the Evens, for it is MacKaye and Farina who make this work. This is not solely Ian MacKaye's band. Farina's brilliant harmonies, stellar drumming, and lead vocal work are the highlights here. Not that MacKaye takes a back seat. His guitar work is simple, yet its use of repetition is subtle enough to create textures that are unmatched in his earlier work. And his vocals are refreshingly gentle, with a sensitivity that was only touched on previously. With a slight nod musically to the heyday of bands like Tsunami, 12 Songs is a step forward for both Ian MacKaye and Amy Farina."

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 9:05 AM (EST)
My Score:

Hey....where's The Evens review? That record came out today....

-Chinatown

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 8:46 AM (EST)
My Score:

Shut up wanker. "Election Day" rules.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 7:24 AM (EST)
My Score:

This record is an 8.5 at best. Its a good CD, maybe a great CD, but thats only in comparison to the rest of the garbage out there now. CVA is a superior CD.

"Election Day" is an AWFUL song with Nirvana ripped off riffs. "ghosts" is a piss poor attempt and varying rythm and tempo but when Dan begins to sing(aka yell at you) it goes back to VERY familiar territory.

The rest of the songs are good to great. Some really good tracks can be found on the other 12 songs. Lyrics are good but not great as well. Nothing ground breaking(which isnt expected) but then again i dont need 2-3 songs with references to the election.

Overall, I prefer CVA to this CD. If "Ghosts" and/or "Election Day" didnt suck so badly(they suck BADLY) this CD would be solid 9-9.5. A 20 minute CD cannot have 2 songs that are clunkers.

Also, Paint it Black rip live and the new stuff sounds really good(except election day which will always sound like crap). Only bad thing was they were only able to bang out about 12 songs for a record release show. seeing they play minute songs thats pretty piss poor.

This guy does good reviews, they get to the point and are not long winded crap.

nice tribute to africa, boys.

Posted by CrookedSuperhero on 2005-03-08 03:08:37
My Score:

Amazing. Destroys the new CBK, easily. Bane are gonna have to be pretty on a the ball to top this.

Posted by bemused on 2005-03-08 02:49:00
My Score:

yawn

-Chris-

'you sir, are an idiot. this record blows comeback kid back to canada (and i don't even mind the new comeback kid, so that should tell you how good this one is!). '

I agree, I like comeback kid a lot.. I really like the 1st album and am somewhat familiar with the new one, but still, PIB is better...it's, IMO, a different style of hardcore punk, and both bands are great, but I think PIB is better..

1. This is hot shit.

2. The new Bigwig is going to be pretty damn good.

Hilary Duff jokes... They're not even funny in an ironic way, just really fucking annoying.

I'm picking this album up for sure.

looking forward to this. I don't know why, but CVA never did anything for me. At the same time, I respect every one of the band members, and their past bands, so I've held off trying to force myself to like CVA, and just try to dive into this one, and chalk CVA up to circumstance and personal preference.

wyzo

Better than Comeback Kid? Let's not take this too far now people.

you sir, are an idiot. this record blows comeback kid back to canada (and i don't even mind the new comeback kid, so that should tell you how good this one is!).

but seriously...

dan yemin has been the most consistent man in punk/hardcore over the last 10 years. lifetime, kid dynamite and paint it black are all better than whatever you're listening to right now.

and dave w is the best drummer in hardcore, hands down.

Posted by TheOneTrueBill on 2005-03-08 02:29:42
My Score:

Scott, I don't understand why you would hate CVA but love this one.

I lov them both, by the way.

The riffs from "Labor Day" and "Pink Slip" were originally written for the last Hilary Duff album, which Dan Yemen worked on.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 2:14 AM (EST)
My Score:

Jade Tree reviews should be handled exclusively by Scott.

-Chinatown

Plus, you paid money to see Finch. Don't tell me to shut up.

Hey, I'm allowed to comment on the quality of the review here. That's one of the main points, I'm assuming, of having a forum for each record and show review.

Also, this is one of my fave records, and I want it to have a good and insightful review of it so it'll have some rather decent publicity. I don't feel it's being as well presented as it should be, but hey, I'm not perfect. Just speaking my mind...

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 2:09 AM (EST)
My Score:

This record deserves a way better review than this.

It's great to know that a band still exists that can play punk hardcore this well. Well done.

Thanks for clearing up the reviewer guidlines. Moneenerd shut up. The kid's trying.

what the... ok im not a great reviewer, but this is staff review work? sheesh. disappointing. if i didn't know how amazing this album already is, and read this review, i don't think i'd take the risk this reviewer wants me to make by buying this record.

"so how does one become a staff reviewer again? This guy has like 10 reviews and counts. What are the rules again?"

If we need another person to help us deal with the amount of stuff that's coming in, we ask someone who'se been contributing on their own and is active in the Punknews community. There are no "rules" per se.

-adam

"Better than Comeback Kid? Let's not take this too far now people"

"Yes, better than preachy Christian hardcore. Easy.

No catchy cheesy Bane-rip-off chants. No mosh breakdowns. Just all balls-to-the-wall fast hardcore punk, like what it SHOULD be."

what he said.

Posted by moneenerd on 2005-03-08 01:38:35
My Score:

Yes, better than preachy Christian hardcore. Easy.

No catchy cheesy Bane-rip-off chants. No mosh breakdowns. Just all balls-to-the-wall fast hardcore punk, like what it SHOULD be.

so how does one become a staff reviewer again? This guy has like 10 reviews and counts. What are the rules again?

Better than Comeback Kid? Let's not take this too far now people.

Posted by moneenerd on 2005-03-08 01:13:59
My Score:

excellent album
terrible review
sounds nothing like CVA
totally a step forward, which is fucking hard to do considering CVA is probably one the best hardcore albums in the past 5 years.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 1:13 AM (EST)
My Score:

better than CVA, and that was a damn fine record itself. "Labor Day" is awesome.

Judging by one song, the drummer rips it up. Fantastic. I'm getting this...

Hey Brandon, what are your thoughts on the Wrangler Brutes? They're doing the 80s hardcore too and I think it's great.

haha. never mind..."pitch" does not equal "paint it" like i originally thought

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

2 paint it black reviews in one day? come on...was my dfl review that crappy....i mean, i know it was crappy...but that crappy?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 12:27 AM (EST)
My Score:

damn, this record is hot. I downloaded it a few days ago and it's pure tits. I think it's better than CVA and I loved that one, too. Hopefully this album is available at my local record store

-Crankwilldestroy

Posted by jamespastepunk on 2005-03-08 00:19:43
My Score:

Okay, my original comment was hastily written, but all I'm asking is to go a little further indepth than "ripping the face off".

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 12:17 AM (EST)
My Score:

Score is for the review. I know a number of people who liked CVA who haven't liked this - and I'd like to have seen a review that actually fleshed out what succeeds and why.

Posted by moneenerd on 2005-03-08 00:15:45
My Score:

totally beats the new CBK, but cmon... more couldve been said in this review

"Then why is the review so damn short and give you no idea whatsoever of what the album sounds like"

He said it sounds like early black flag and minor threat. So in other words, really fast songs.

Posted by TheMarc on 2005-03-08 00:14:32
My Score:

Shit, this is wack. Two hardcore albums I like in one month?!?!

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 8, 2005 at 12:12 AM (EST)
My Score:

My favorite album of '05 thus far. That will change with the release of either the Fingers Cut Megamachine or the NUFAN record.

-Chinatown

Posted by joeg on 2005-03-08 00:12:20
My Score:

this is my score

early candidate for hardcore record of the year. yes, it beats the new comeback kid.

sooo good.

Posted by jamespastepunk on 2005-03-08 00:09:33
My Score:

Then why is the review so damn short and give you no idea whatsoever of what the album sounds like?

Posted by inagreendase on 2005-03-08 00:08:15
My Score:

Yeah, this rips. Plus, lyrically, it's one of the most well-written hardcore albums of the last ten years. For real.