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Judge: What It Meant: The Complete DiscographyWhat It Meant: The Complete Discography (2005)
Revelation Records

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A release like What It Meant is worth every penny for a true fan of hardcore. I place that emphasis on the word "true" because JUDGE (along with the other classic Revelation hardcore bands of the late 80's) are a band that have a litmus test thing about them. If you are old enough to have been aroun.
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A release like What It Meant is worth every penny for a true fan of hardcore. I place that emphasis on the word "true" because JUDGE (along with the other classic Revelation hardcore bands of the late 80's) are a band that have a litmus test thing about them. If you are old enough to have been around hardcore when JUDGE existed, the thoroughness of this discography should be enough alone to warrant a purchase. But for those like myself who found their way into this music a handful of years later, What It Meant is not only a treasure trove of great tunes, but a lasting documentary concerning hardcore before it was a commercially accepted form of music.

Right after MINOR THREAT, JUDGE is probably the second band I associate with straight-edge. Known perhaps as the original "hardline" band (and what started out as a side project to YOUTH OF TODAY), the group's efforts could be easily summarized in their most famous song and album title, "Bringin' It Down." Recorded in 1989, this is the song that drilled home the line "You drink it and you smoke it and you feel fine / And you snort it and you shoot it and now it's melted your mind." Without Mike Judge's vocal accent, the words don't leave the same impression on print, but this is just one of the nuggets of angst the band left behind. "Hear Me" is another song from the Bringin' It Down album that sounds as fresh today as it likely did 16 years ago; "Can you hear me, hear me when I scream? You hear my words, but do you know what I mean? I'm tired, tired of games we play. I'm through fighting, man. You'll never know what I want to say." Throughout this discography, JUDGE's influence on current hardcore bands becomes wildly evident. While the song-structures have been handed down, and passed through over and over again, a common thread remains.

Perhaps the biggest selling point of What It Meant is the inclusion of the Chung King Can Suck It LP, an extremely limited album that eventually (mostly) became the Bringin' It Down album. Not happy with the recording quality of the Chung King release, the whole thing was scrapped. This is the first time these songs have been put to CD, and there's two tracks, "Holding On," and "No Apologies," that were not re-recorded on Bringin' It Down. While the recording quality is indeed less than wonderful (or as the band put in the insert booklet, "Engineered by some cokehead loser, not produced"), the songs are played with a furious spark that doesn't exactly come across in the same way in their later versions. Another previously unreleased gem comes from a 1988 demo titled "Just Like You," recorded by Don Fury. GORILLA BISCUITS' Lukey Luke plays drums on the track, and is the only JUDGE recording that doesn't feature Sammy Siegler on the skins.

As if the 28 tracks and over 70 minutes of music is not compelling enough, the 20-something page booklet is the clincher. Stocked with lyrics, tons of photos, and a four-page "band recap" by guitarist Porcell, JUDGE's story is told with considerable detail and a frank humbleness. Porcell writes towards the end of his piece, "As Mike (Judge) once told me, 'if it wasn't for this band, I'd be at the bottom of a bottle or a grave.' For him, it was a matter of life or death. It was alll he had. And it was that sense of urgency, that sheer desperation, that made Judge the band it was." Truth.

 

 
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feeeding5000 (November 7, 2005)

Got this CD in Canada (I live in the states)...have to say wasn't up to what I expected. Pretty good, but nowhere near the speed or power of YOT, or the total awesome-tacularity of GB.

etwiels88 (October 28, 2005)

"Posted by punkcorekid on 2005-08-07 15:07:10

Death Before Dishonor are not an edge band.

How dare you correct me!

well, it's true. and the fact that you immediately associate Throwdown with straight edge is a tad sad."

I only associate Throwdown with Straight Edge so quickly because of their popularity. There are hundreds of other sXe bands I would rather listen to over TD, but whenever I think Edge, I think Throwdown.

lushj (August 9, 2005)

Don't forget GRUDGE (with their 7" that included the YOUTH OF TODAY cover "Drinking's Great"!)... JUD JUD, GRUDGE, CRUCIAL YOUTH, GOOD CLEAN FUN, PROJECT X- all gave the serious edge bands a run for their money. (and yeah, PROJECT X weren't 100% serious, from what I remember)

I love this type of music, especially before a lot of metal came in and blunted the power of that Porcell Marshall sound- YOUTH OF TODAY and JUDGE are such good bands!

Anonymous (August 8, 2005)

nenen nah!

Anonymous (August 8, 2005)

ok so straightedge has lost almost all of it relevency in hardcore today. the music has been rehashed over and over and beaten dead. but sweet fucking christ, Judge is mindblowingly amazing. there arent many bands that consistently make me want to throw bricks at handicapped toddlers, but this is one.

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

Jud!

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

Jud

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

Judge Dred sucks.

-Chinatown

punkcorekid (August 7, 2005)

Mike Judge is still an asswipe jock. But on the upside, he has lost his edge.

as far as i know, he just stopped claiming edge. he has some folk act thing going now called Old Smoke....not that that has anything to do with edge, but with Mike Judge.

punkcorekid (August 7, 2005)

Death Before Dishonor are not an edge band.

How dare you correct me!

well, it's true. and the fact that you immediately associate Throwdown with straight edge is a tad sad.

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

the only edge band that mattered was JUD JUD. Deal with it.

Anonymous (August 7, 2005)

Mike Judge is still an asswipe jock. But on the upside, he has lost his edge.

Anonymous (August 6, 2005)

I forgot Bury Your Dead:

"HEY! Good to see everyone in a good mood! And I just wanna, like, put a smile on your faces, whether you're makin' out with some chick in the back or beatin' some fucker to the ground!!"

What a moron... I think he successfully isolated anyone who isn't a moron from that show.

-BSD

etwiels88 (August 6, 2005)

Bury Your Dead on their "Alive" DVD:

"I wanna see some fucking violence"

Good DVD though. Score's for that.

Anonymous (August 6, 2005)

Yeah, and it's usually the token East Coast band on the bill...

Full Blown Chaos: "TEAR THIS FUCKIN' PLACE APART ON ONE-TWO-THREE!!!"

And, even worse:

"ANYONE OUT THERE GOT ANY BROS IN THE ARMY? YEAH? SO DO I, THEY'RE FIGHTIN' FOR US! AND THIS SONGS ABOUT KILLIN' FUCKIN' TERRORISTS!"

-BSD

TheOneTrueBill (August 6, 2005)

Unless they encourage it. I've seen quite a few bad hardcore bands that keep yelling at me to "MOSH IT UP! Come on, tear this place apart and bust some heads." Sad but true, but that is a direct quote.

aubin (August 6, 2005)

Aggressive music tends to bring out violent idiots, but that's not the fault of Minor Threat, Bold, Judge, Bad Brains or any of the hardcore bands that saw violence at their shows.

Don't blame the band for the fans.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

"the only bones 'jones the bones' cares about is the one coming from my pants."

so what you're saying is... jones turns you on?

don't worry, it's nothing to be ashamed of.

etwiels88 (August 5, 2005)

Death Before Dishonor are not an edge band.

How dare you correct me!

skaboom (August 5, 2005)

Jones the Bones is my hero. His initials also say JTB, which only boosts the awesomeness.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

the only bones "jones the bones" cares about is the one coming from my pants. you are such a fag.
judge fucking rules...sxe or not

joeg (August 5, 2005)

"while it's unfortunate that the circle of violence in hardcore continues to repeat itself today, none of these groups should become scapegoats."

well said.

stevejonestherealbones (August 5, 2005)

i think that stupid dredg band fucked me up...another reason to not listen to them aside from their misspelt name

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

pastepunk (August 5, 2005)

Imagine what the scene would be like if Revelation had never existed. You could go to a show and not have to avoid the idiot in the BOLD shirt who is punching a smaller kid in a Judge shirt....finger-pointing idiots throwing elbows for no reason at all. This is the worst part of punk music today.

--

I would argue that at this point, it's not so much an issue of "rah rah Revelation was so great!!!" but more or less an understanding of where the scene was at the time. My favorite thing in this JUDGE discography is the thing that Porcell wrote, particularly about the onset of violence that followed the band, and ultimately caused their efforts to fall apart. Ultimately, there's a theme of "be careful for what you wish for" in Porcell's piece, and there is absolutely no glorification of that violence. Punk and hardcore has lived on and on by trial and error - while it's unfortunate that the circle of violence in hardcore continues to repeat itself today, none of these groups should become scapegoats.

stevejonestherealbones (August 5, 2005)

shit bill, youre right...i guess i dont care about that judge too much then...what the fuck was i thinking...i even have some of the comic books somewhere...

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

TheOneTrueBill (August 5, 2005)

"the only judge i care about goes by DREDGE

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com"

It's Dred.

I AM THE LAW!

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

I wish every Judge fan who claims that revelation was the best thing going on in hardcore (or punk for that matter) in the late 80's would pick up an INFEST or NO COMMENT record....While Judge and their ilk slowed hardcore down and drove politics out of it, creating the "stupid moshcrew thug gang", bands like Infest and crossed out created the exact opposite - fast, intense music with insightful political content that didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Imagine what the scene would be like if Revelation had never existed. You could go to a show and not have to avoid the idiot in the BOLD shirt who is punching a smaller kid in a Judge shirt....finger-pointing idiots throwing elbows for no reason at all. This is the worst part of punk music today.

-Ken

xAllOutAdamx (August 5, 2005)

"Really? Even though Judge has been around forever, I would've probably thought of some newer bands before them. Champion. Death Before Dishonor. Even Throwdown."

Death Before Dishonor are not an edge band.

Dante3000 (August 5, 2005)

My friends band covered a Judge song. It wasn't very good. Judge, however, is. Since I don't own one of the their fucking records I may have to get this.
-Dante

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

I got this whe it first came out, I had only heard about Judge threw interviews and thew big Interview AMP did on them. I was n ot disspapointed, this is some good old shcool straight edge, I still prefer Youth of Today though.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

really great stuff...

stevejonestherealbones (August 5, 2005)

the only judge i care about goes by DREDGE

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

This band gets a lot crap for being "tuff", but they are actually not that bad. I like them a lot more than newer bands like Champion. Of course, put on after something like Gorilla Biscuits, this will sound pretty fucking dated.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

before it devolves into lots of idiotic arguments, judge's hardline stance was not intended to be 100% serious, but rather a shot at all the people who accused youth of today of being assholes who forced their beliefs on people (they weren't/didn't). as in, they would be exactly what they accused YOT of being, what they feared most.

anyways, this shit kicks ass. i'll pick it up just to hear the alternate chung king versions.

Archangel (August 5, 2005)

"Can you hear me, hear me when I scream? You hear my words, but do you know what I mean? I'm tired, tired of games we play. I'm through fighting, man. You'll never know what I want to say."

Are you sure that's not Finch?

etwiels88 (August 5, 2005)

"Right after MINOR THREAT, JUDGE is probably the second band I associate with straight-edge."

Really? Even though Judge has been around forever, I would've probably thought of some newer bands before them. Champion. Death Before Dishonor. Even Throwdown.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

Bringin' it down is a great song, as is their cover of Warriors - everything else, not so much.

Anonymous (August 5, 2005)

What it meant was bandanas and circle pits.

I'm gonna get my xJUDGEx basketball jersey and camoflauge shorts and do some ninja kicks.

THIS SHIT IS BRUCIAL, BRO.

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