Good review, I completely agree.

rehashing shit because im bored...

if youre a sophomore in college and youve never had to get a job, you must have some sort of upperclass roots. there are funds that even the most badass scholarships/student loans wont cover. my "desk job"(i dont actually have a desk) is in the field that im majoring in, so i think im doing pretty good for myself, skipping school & smoking pot & all. i was never bragging, just trying to make a point that not all classskipping potheads turn into societal wastes. just like not all straightedge kids turn into successes.

"which was released by the long-irrelevant label New Red Archives in 1990"

Quadruple ouch.

what a bunch of whiny little bitches.

so the dude wrote a review you didn't like, do you have to call him out on it? and why does this chinatown character feel the need to reply to each and every post made about him? let it go my man. do you really care that much what everyone else thinks?

sometimes reading the comments on the website can be pretty funny, but most of the time it's downright painful. quit your crying. no wonder why hawthorne heights sold 500,000 records. the punk community has turned into a bunch of sissys.

I love the pixies! No use was good....i love to read my own comments and tell everyone else how stupid they are!!! Wow...i need to get a life!

"which was released by the long-irrelevant label New Red Archives in 1990"

honestly bro, triple ouch

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

"which was released by the long-irrelevant label New Red Archives in 1990"

seriously. double ouch.

"which was released by the long-irrelevant label New Red Archives in 1990"

Ouch.

wyzo

i think this whole argument can be boiled down to one word: growling.

hey look at that, Dante is right, who woulda thunk it.

everyone needs to calm down, because you're all retarded. or wicked retarded. or wicked retahded.

anyway, you know what they say about arguing on the internet...

RRRRRRRRRiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhttttttttttttttttt. So I'm not even going to read the old review where Anchors apparently mocks poor working class people. But here's what I am going to do (because why not piss everyone off, because this is a message board and meant to be taken with the utmost seriousness)

Anchors: I can see why people think you're pretentious. You do sound like a bit of a dick when taken out of context or when misunderstood. As a whole, I gots no problem with you.
Chinatown: You review sucked ass. It tried too hard to be too impressive and just sounded long winded and self-important. Get over it, not everyone likes your writing style it's not a personal attack (I was taught that in second grade). You may be great in real life, but continuing to make ludicrous arguments about Scott’s relationship with NUFAN and using the word neo-con make you sound like a dick.
RKL: Great that you skipped a bunch of classes and made a life for yourself. That's actually really good. But, if what you say is true, I can point out over a dozen people (including many in my own family) who are now dirt poor, uneducated, bitter and resentful. The fact is I find the story of the guy who cut class and then became a success to be the exception that proves the rule.
As for the argument I don't think there are actually any sides anymore. Well actually there are too many sides to list. You're all battling over a series of opinions that can't possibly be proved one way or the other over the internet. So just accept that you disagree and enjoy the fact that you all are lucky enough to have internet access and smart enough to use it. It puts you above 90% of the world’s population right there.
-Dante

"i clean out womens' vaginas"

goddamn man, that was wicked funny.

i'm really begining to think BSD (Will) has a homosexual crush on Anchors. chinatown, on the other hand, just loves to fight.

this shit never gets old.

and it's wicked re-tah-ded. say it like Ted Kennedy would. fucking massholes.

I'm done trying to explain myself to you kids, because honestly, you've got some thick fucking heads.

You guys are right, I'm a classist. You know, with my 6 figure income and 7 figure house. Oh, and let us not forget the two Ferraris parked outside of my house. Get fucking real. I stated my opinions, and backed them up, and if you want to make a runaround of things, and take others out of context, have a field day with it.

That review got published over a month ago, and you're still, still carrying on about it. Get lives, kids.

anchors reviews aren't that great, and the classism thing is kind of lame too

however, the fact that someone is proud that they skipped high school all the time and/or didn't graduate is just as lame

as sappy as it sounds, the more educated this world gets the more progress we'll make

Also, I find it funny that Anchors claims to be some non-arrogant, unpretentious citizen, yet continues to dog people for their jobs.

That's awesome, Anchors. Maybe in Syracuse, everyone who's unemployed or has a shitty job only has it because they want to be punkrock, but in Kansas City, it's more because there are no other options. Discrediting everyone who doesn't go to a university is pretty much the epitome of "pretentious college jerk". Good job. Be sure to respond claiming that I have some bias against college kids, but I know some, and none of them have your discriminating attitude towards the less fortunate.

-Will

I'm with "rkl" on this one... In fact, the fact that Anchors is such an annoying, uninformed, biased asshole is more the reason his opinions mean nothing than the fact that he jocks Alexisonfire.

I'm also rather disturbed by what I infer from his reviews in regards to what he thinks of the less fortunate.

Keep trying to cover up your classism, though, Anchors. Just remember, without those terrible, awful-smelling, ignorant underclass dwellers, the society you live in would go kaput.

-Will

You even come off as an arrogant asshole in your reviews.

- Anchors

Hey kettle, you're black!

- The Pot

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 3:38 PM (EDT)
My Score:

Keep trying, kid, I've got all day. -Anchors

...and there's the problem.

-Chinatown

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 3:36 PM (EDT)
My Score:

I don't need a dictionary, thesaurus, or anything else to write my reviews.

You certainly need a computer and Microsoft Word. Dirty lying Neo-Con.

-Chinatown

anchors: unlike yourself, i only make judgements based upon posts made on this site. in your posts, you have been unsympathetic towards the common class, which is a stance the gop has taken since the dawn of the new deal.

pre·ten·tious
adj.

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious. both of those definitions mark you. youre not the only person of intelligence(and your actually being smart is highly debatable) on this site, regardless of whatever pedestal you attempt to place yourself upon.

Let's do this piece by piece. In my posts I've been unsympathetic? I mentioned a few working class positions in my review, and have explained since, more than once that the people I'm refferring to are high school drop outs, who drop out on their own accord.

I've never claimed any position of high merit or distinction, though you can make all the insinuations and assumptions you want. You may think I act arrogant, and that's cool, but until I say "I am God of all that is Punknews," you have no claim. And as for the second part of that, I don't own a lavish house with various furs and a Range Rover, so you can shove the ostentatious claim up your ass as well. I'm guessing you don't know what that word even means, or else you wouldn't have been dumb enough to associate that with me.

Keep trying, kid, I've got all day.

jesus you angry people need to slipt it on in more than i do

hahaha. a quality response from jones. i think everyone else needs to just shut up.

i clean out womens' vaginas

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

anchors: unlike yourself, i only make judgements based upon posts made on this site. in your posts, you have been unsympathetic towards the common class, which is a stance the gop has taken since the dawn of the new deal.

pre·ten·tious
adj.

1. Claiming or demanding a position of distinction or merit, especially when unjustified.
2. Making or marked by an extravagant outward show; ostentatious. both of those definitions mark you. youre not the only person of intelligence(and your actually being smart is highly debatable) on this site, regardless of whatever pedestal you attempt to place yourself upon.

jones the bones is a douche

i guess that was unclear - i was talking about use of the term "wicked".

and anchors, the reason those of us in the nyc area think it's retarded is exactly because it's a new england thing, and only red sox fans say it.

glengarry glen ross, jones.

Jones, I say retarded normally, the way you made it sound is a New England thing, I'm from Upstate NY.

Young Republican? Come on, stretching much there? I don't much involve myself in politics, but I'm not exactly Carlton Banks, and I'm a democrat if anything. Secondly, you're saying I'm pretentious because I use big words? Please, you used polysyllabic instead of "big," and I'm trying to impress people? I don't need a dictionary, thesaurus, or anything else to write my reviews.

I'm so fucking sick of people who don't even understand the word "pretentious" calling people that.

And Chinatown, save the pyschological diagnoses of Scott's musical tastes for someone who gives a fuck. Assuming you find one person who fits that description.

"whats your name? FUCK YOU! thats my name"

what movie or whatever did no use take that from?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

i was giving an example, not trying to impress.
if i had wanted to impress you, i wouldve said something along the lines of, "they dont give national merit scholarships to idiots."
part of being smart, as you seem to consider yourself to be, is being able to determine the meaning of sentences by using context clues.
punk rock was made by the working class, for the working class. young republicans, such as yourself, are just a corruption of ideals. just because you can write long-winded sentences full of polysyllabic words(with the aid of webster's, im quite sure), doesnt make you intelligent. in fact, its just an indication of you being a pretentious jackass.

They're not just any band. They're the guys who got you into punk music, and then more or less landed you a job at an indie store, a role as this site's editor, and a place at Alternative Press.

Holy shit so what's how Scott got the job. Sure, Mr. Fucking Fancy Pants I'm an editor at AP. I could be a fucking editor too if I knew No Use for A Name. It's all so clear. No talent hack.
-Dante

Wicked is definitely a Northeast thing. I'm from NY, and say it constantly. But one of my suitemates if from Queens and he thinks it's retarded, so who knows.

am i correct in thinking that, if youre the kinda guy that says "wicked," then youre the kinda guy that says "retarded" all retarded like?

like, retoddid..or something...with a wicked retarded northeast accent?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

- if so, everytime i read an anchors post its gonna crack me up from the wicked retarded accent i use in my head

please don't say 'wicked' it makes you sound like a masshole.

poor poor chinatown, all he does is love NUFAN and he gets torn apart. yet he just keeps coming back, and keep writing reviews. i gotta give him some props.

that being said, i got $10 that say Anchors rips him a new asshole a few more times before this thread gets moved off the main page.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 10:08 AM (EDT)
My Score:

So, because I don't like the band's newer albums, I have to sell all their old ones? You're wicked retarded. -Scott

They're not just any band. They're the guys who got you into punk music, and then more or less landed you a job at an indie store, a role as this site's editor, and a place at Alternative Press. And, despite all of that, you simply write them off as washed-up because they decide to change their sound. Yeah, Tony's voice is a bit higher than before (he quit smoking and took some vocal lessons). Yeah, the songs aren't as aggressive as before (they are, however, doubtlessly more creative and possess bigger, better choruses; all you need to do is compare a random song such as "Alone" with "Apparition" to see that).

It's like you have this set image of No Use as an aggressive
skatepunk band with raw vocals. I dunno if it's because you were so struck by Leche Con Carne! that the band's eventual departure from that sound seemed like an absolute betrayal to you, but up to now you've yet to offer any valid criticism as to why No Use isn't a good band anymore.
I mean, you like bands with soft vocals and a mellow sound (Weezer, Copeland). Just because No Use progressed into that rather than starting right away simply isn't an excuse to hate them. If you separate the various elements of their music (instrumentation, production, lyrics, and so forth), you'll see that they've all improved over the course of the past few years. Yeah, Leche! and Making Friends are my two favorite No Use albums too, but that's because I, like you, was introduced to independent music by way of those two albums. I was able to accept their change in '99, and still think that they're one of the greatest modern punk bands in the world right now.

-Chinatown

What's more is that your claim is dumb in the first place, as I'm not an arrogant person in the least. You're like a less intelligent version of Chinatown, if possible.

I like how you keep on bringing up comments about our "intelligence" in your posts. How the fuck would you know how me or rkl perform academically? If you're basing it solely on whether or not you agree with our comments, well, then, that shows a great deal of immaturity on your part. I won't, say that you're dumb, since there's no real way of knowing that by reading a few of your comments here and there.

Based on the actual content of your reviews, however, I'd say that you have a strong taste for clichés, so you'd better get some original thoughts circulating.

-Chinatown

Wicked is definitely a Northeast thing. I'm from NY, and say it constantly. But one of my suitemates if from Queens and he thinks it's retarded, so who knows.

Does he think it's wicked retarded?
-Dante

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 29, 2005 at 2:59 AM (EDT)
My Score:

I love NUFAN, including Don't Miss the Train, but this cd just sucks. Maybe one or two decent songs. It's amazing how much this band has evolved since this.

"i skipped 4 days a week in hs and still came out with almost enough credits to graduate twice. oh, and i have a fairly decent job, too. what do you do, anchors, that makes you so great?"

I think I speak for the lot of kids when I say, that nobody beyond a freshman girls locker room is impressed by how many days of school you skipped. Did you smoke cigarrettes in the bathroom, too, toughguy?

Besides, "fairly decent" is a pretty relative term. Mowing lawns during the summer for your elderly neighbors in considered "fairly decent" by some people, I'm sure. So if you want to continue to act like the minimum wage desk job you have is something special, go for it. As for me, I'm currently in my sophmore year of college, so I haven't needed to pull down a job just yet. What's more is that your claim is dumb in the first place, as I'm not an arrogant person in the least. You're like a less intelligent version of Chinatown, if possible.

Wicked is definitely a Northeast thing. I'm from NY, and say it constantly. But one of my suitemates if from Queens and he thinks it's retarded, so who knows.

scott, are you from the northeast

wicked retarted?

chinatown gets fucking raped on this sight, seeing as how its an anymous internet name, he should just change it

Seeing as you hate No Use, you should sell those two 7-inches on E-Bay. Just last month a copy of You Bug Me was auctioned for over two hundred dollars. Not only will you make plenty of money out of those two recordings, you'll also be handing them to someone who actually appreciates the band.

-Chinatown

So, because I don't like the band's newer albums, I have to sell all their old ones?

You're wicked retarded.

-Scott

Posted by rkl on 2005-08-29 00:56:04
My Score:

i dont think id call iron maiden "light metal," in fact, im somewhat offended.
score's for saving face in telling senor elitist to go fuck himself.
i skipped 4 days a week in hs and still came out with almost enough credits to graduate twice. oh, and i have a fairly decent job, too. what do you do, anchors, that makes you so great?

I have it scored 70, 63 thus far but with a lifetime to go it can be anyones match.
-Dante

SWEET!!! the day anchors has no reviews, chinatown has a review, so we get anchors vs chinatown round 8

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

I was making fun of kids who purposely drop out of high school, and are thus relegated to those careers. There's a difference.

If you go to Colgate and decide, "hey you know what, I want to bag groceries at Wegmans till I retire," more power to you. The people I'm making fun of are the kids who thing skipping 4 days of school a week to smoke weed and thinking that makes them greatest thing ever, then are subsequently kept in dead-end jobs for life.

Get a clue, man.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 6:58 PM (EDT)
My Score:

You even come off as an arrogant asshole in your reviews.

Riiiiiiiiiiight. I'm not the one making fun of "grocery-baggers" and "road pavers" in my reviews, jerk.

http://www.punknews.org/reviews.php?op=albumreview&id=40 82

-Chinatown

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 6:53 PM (EDT)
My Score:

I have both of NUFAN's early 7-inches; the "You Bug Me!" one with a green cover, and the "Let 'Em Out!" one on blue marble vinyl. I was lucky enough to be working at an indie record store when I was 16 when some dude came in and sold his entire record collection. I have so much awesome stuff I don't know what to do with it all (not to mention a virtually complete collection of Boris The Sprinkler 7-inches). -Scott

Seeing as you hate No Use, you should sell those two 7-inches on E-Bay. Just last month a copy of You Bug Me was auctioned for over two hundred dollars. Not only will you make plenty of money out of those two recordings, you'll also be handing them to someone who actually appreciates the band.

-Chinatown

""Truth Hits Everybody" is not a NUFAN song, it is a police song. Please don't make a comment about tony's lyrics in the song when they are not his they are sting's."

to chinatowns credit, he addresses that its a police song.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 5:41 PM (EDT)
My Score:

"Truth Hits Everybody" is not a NUFAN song, it is a police song. Please don't make a comment about tony's lyrics in the song when they are not his they are sting's.

Posted by gladimnotemo on 2005-08-28 17:32:02
My Score:

I'm going to see Hellnation at Roboto Project near the end of the month. I am so stoked.

I have both of NUFAN's early 7-inches; the "You Bug Me!" one with a green cover, and the "Let 'Em Out!" one on blue marble vinyl. I was lucky enough to be working at an indie record store when I was 16 when some dude came in and sold his entire record collection. I have so much awesome stuff I don't know what to do with it all (not to mention a virtually complete collection of Boris The Sprinkler 7-inches).

-Scott

NUFAN was co-founded by Dodge. NUFAN had an ep which was #3 on slap-a-ham. (Try finding that on ebay!) The original band was to be black-flag oriented fast hardcore, but obviously there was some conflicts about that.

Chris Dodge played in many ground-breaking bands like Stikky, Spazz, Ancient Chinese Secret, Burn Your Bridges and did some strange solo noise stuff as Jesus Philbin. He also filled in for Doug in Hellnation for a while. His best stuff, if you ask me, is the East West Blast Test project with Dave Witte from Discordance Axis on drums. Anyone remotely interested in weird fast music should pick that disc up.

-Ken

Snapcase?

You really don't have any clue what you are talking about do you?

also, i own the NRA release of this album...hopefully i still have the jewel case and liner notes around somewhere...

I can't even get past the first paragraph. There are soo many fucking problems. First off Fat made a big ass deal about the re-issue. I remember recieving several e-mails about it as well as seeing it all up on their website. Secondly fat floats as would Butterbean. Thirdly, don't try and use big words, they don't work for you.
-Dante
P.S. I even like NUFAN for godsakes.

Posted by Josiah on 2005-08-28 12:39:18
My Score:

i am a huge NUFAN fan, but this album is terrible.

even Tony Sly hates it.

Sorry if I came off as anti-Spazz? I love them with my whole heart. I need to find one of their records soon, or I just won't know what to do with myself.

You even come off as an arrogant asshole in your reviews.

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 28, 2005 at 11:09 AM (EDT)
My Score:

Haha, do you expect me to take your criticism seriously? I apologize if my review didn't have enough Starcraft references. Stupid fucking gamer.

-Chinatown

Crappy band, crappy, messy review.

this review is too long, so i didn't read it

"yeah, but, is there any growling on this record for christsakes?"

yeah, what's up with that?

Posted by psychoos231 on 2005-08-28 00:53:32
My Score:

"Anyone unfamiliar with No Use For A Name’s history"

Thats all i read and got bored with the review.

Posted by TheCaptain on 2005-08-28 00:51:27
My Score:

This is one of the worst albums I've ever heard. Damn this band used to suck. Well, they still suck, but at least they've managed to put out a few decent songs in their current lineup.

Chris Dodge was in this band was also in Spazz. I wouldn't call Spazz a chaotic mess. They are like a perfectly-honed buzz bomb of thrash madness.

Now Larm, on the other hand...

-Will

yeah, but, is there any growling on this record for christsakes?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Posted by gladimnotemo on 2005-08-28 00:27:45
My Score:

What in the hell is there talk about Spazz in this for? I read the whole thing, and I'm still completely confused. He sang for this band?

This score is for Spazz, being a complete chaotic mess.

this is gonna make chinatown happy

Uh, Snapcase?

-Will