I don't see how you could call this band punk, but anyway this album sounds so much different than the two before it because this album is from a different perspective... It is the story of the Writer... So it's bound to sound different than the story so far.

I'm in love with this record. Yeah, the songs are longer, but the muscianship of the tracks is amazing.

If you get a chance, you have to watch the documentary they just put out with the 4 cd/dvd from the 'Neverender' tour. It gives some great perspective about the band and actually makes this record so much more meaningful.

It's not just long song for the sake of being long. It's songs that go the length they need to.

I love it but it ain't punk man.

i dont mind this album although i feel like they've really mellowed everything down a bit. i was expecting a little more from this album than what i got but i guess you get that some times.

As a huge fan of Coheed, I was mildly dissappointed by this release. I don't know, it just lacked the Coheed style that mad the first to albums amazing. But don't get me wrong, the album still gets 4.5 stars. It is brilliant. Just not quite as brilliant as I would have hoped.

Colin u have a vagina and u suck balls! Claudio is going to come out of the ground and kick your fucking ass!

ok colin, i dont care if you dont like the album but to say that Co and Co has no talent is ridiculous
i mean u said urself u loved the first album dont go turnin ur back on the band
ur not a true fan of music and thats y u can go fuck urself

i got some advice for u colin, go fuck yourself cause this is a badass band and cd, ur jus fucked up in the head

this band and this album fucking rock!

this band and this album fucking rock!

:))))))))

All i gotta say is Coheed and Cambria is the greatest band ever invented Claudio Sanchez, Michael Todd, Travis stever and Josh Eppard are rock gods every thing they do is pure genious

Musically, this album is incredible. For some people, the long songs are just that, long. But from a musicians standpoint the music is so great.

Shitty Biased review. Just because this band classifies into pop punk doesnt mean its shitty, thats just the style and i guess some people dont identify wit it. Score is for the album, Not their best but definitely kickass.

Now i know this isn't their best work but the guitar if you listne hard enough is amazing. FAR BETTER THAN ANY NEW BAND. whnei listen to this band it reminds me when you had o have skill to be a musician. now any bozo who can play a chord can be in a band. THE GUITAR FUCKIN ROCKS IN THIS ALBUM PERIOD!

love love love this cd and especially the band. and to that bastard down there on the forum even if i am a 14 yr old girl i am plenty grown up to make a desion about what i do and do not listen to so maybe you need to check yourself to make sure you want to make that generization but im not here to rant about that. COHEED AND CAMBRIA ROCKS AND I LOVE THEM SO!!! ROCK ON AND THEY CAN NEVER BE BEAT!! IM LISTENING TO THEM RIGHT NOW (HEARSHOT KID DISASTER, for your info)YEAH!
LOVE LOVE LOVE

I disagree completely with the review. I really really enjoyed this album as much as I did the first two, if not more. There is only one song on the album I don't like, yet on Second Stage Turbine Blade, there's two that I always skip. I think Coheed and Cambria did an amazing job at keeping the story interesting and the music awesome.

go kill yourself, colin.

(though i agree entirely with the score you gave this)

you dont know what ur talking about man, this is genius of rock and if ur so tied up in ur little pop world that u cant see that then u should be shot

Coheed and cambria is the best band in the world! coheed and cambris is like my drug!!!

I really like this album. Some of the songs sound very similar, but overall, it's a strong, consistent piece of work.

I see quite a bit of bashing going on in these comments, but...frankly, I don't care and you can eat shit. However, I'm going to (1) make an educated guess and (2) give some good sound advice:

1. A majority of the negative comments are probably coming from persons 22 years old or younger. Grow up already.

2. If you feel the need to write something overly negative about a product without putting any thought into it, or writing more than 2-3 sentences to elaborate on your stance, then chances are pretty good you won't be inducted into Mensa anytime soon. I'm not Einstein, but my momma didn't raise no fool. If I'm gonna write something derogatory, I'll back it up sensibly, and for your own good, so should you. It'll keep you from looking like a dumbass.

**This cd is great! this is the cd that pretty much made me addicted to them...they are awesome!**

brilliant album, brilliant band.

brilliant album

Fuck yes!!!! Pure fucking ownage!

fuck all u little mother fuckers coheed and cambria are the greatest band on earth!!!!!!!!!

Shit. Pure shit. Second stage turbine blade was the only thing listenable this band did, and maybe a few songs off in keeping secrets. The longer the title, the more boring it seems to get. This is a little to self involved and pretentious for my blood, which is sad because i listen to the mars volta. I just hope that coheed is happy with this steaming pile of shit theyve created. Kudos to the reviewer for calling it like he sees it. oh and to all of you 14 year old girls, grow up and listen to decent music for a change.

Shit. Pure shit. Second stage turbine blade was the only thing listenable this band did, and maybe a few songs off in keeping secrets. The longer the title, the more boring it seems to get. This is a little to self involved and pretentious for my blood, which is sad because i listen to the mars volta. I just hope that coheed is happy with this steaming pile of shit theyve created. Kudos to the reviewer for calling it like he sees it. oh and to all of you 14 year old girls, grow up and listen to decent music for a change.

I love Coheed and Cambria! They are the best bad. I love his vocie and how he writes his lyrics. They mean something to me. This was (what now is) my ex. boyfriends favorite band. He introduced me to them and I am just loving them! Thier music is just amazingly awesome!

ok guys......listen up....
the new stuff is never going to be as good as the old. thats just the way shit is. and so what if they did something different this time and left the punk roots behind. waht the fuck does that have to do with the meaning of the songs? just because the beats and tempos have changed, doesnt mean that the meanings are gone. i fully enjoyed this cd just as much as the last one....and i dont care that Claudio has changed a bit. nobody else should care either. look at metallica. they are one of the best bands of all time. but their old stuff is way better than the new. and what pisses me off is when ppl call them sellouts. they arent sellouts. they just changed. they still play waht they want to play. Coheed and Cambria is the same way, you shitheads. if you dont like them, then suck a fucking rock, and dont post on this particular site......if you like them, rock on.
my point is....it doesnt matter that they've changed from punk to hard rock. they are still the same band with the same story and the same meaning. waht more could you ask for?

-Carly

i kinda want 2 kill whoever wrote the review cuz they just deserve to die

just cuz a song is long doesnt mean its not good dumbass

ya your a douche

this is the best cd ever out got dam it !!!!!!!!!!!

It's obvious this Album is not for everyone.
You actually have to listen to it.. it has to grow on you, just like their last albums.
This album isn't brilliant, but it is certainly not bad.

fuck that kid coheed is sick and there new cd is amazing.

I waited for this album for months and, damn, was I disappointed. Coheed really turned their backs on their punk roots on this one in favor of classic rock and metal guitar. Some good tracks but I don't have the patience to listen to this one all the way through. Coheed, you aren't Led Zepplin.

i swear all the poeple who say this album sucks are a bunch of stupid fuck tards who don't get it when they hear a good album. Good Apollo is nothing short of brillant fromt the time that it opens to the Final Cut. So what the name of the album is extra long i think it's fucking stupid to say that "This cd sucks" by just looking at the title. Your the dumbshits who need to be punched in the throats!

I like how many of the punk rockers hate this band. They can't really understand it and their attention spans are only 3 minutes long.

If i hear any more bad comments about C&C i may explode into flames of fury..people bad mouth the new album because they dont truly understand the concept of coheed and cambria albums.. it makes me want to cry.. if you would take a second out of your meaningless lives to appreciate just how deep and incredible the lyrics and the band are.. maybe it would shut you all up!!!! ... i found some guy bad mouthing everything past the first few songs.. FFS... theres a chapter story to every album.. for ex . the velorium camper and in this album.. the willing well etc etc.. how can you even begin to judge something you cannot comprehend.. we are fans because it intrigues us.. and we want to learn more.. its a path.. not just music.. dont judge claudio on his morals and his mind..dont judge at all.. because nothing even gives you the right..

so once and for all

COHEED AND CAMBRIA ARE DEEPER AND STRONGER THAN WE WILL EVER COMPREHEND.. SO SHUT YOUR FACES!

lots of love xxxxxx Apollo xxxxxx

I can see that everyone here is on one of two sides, either you hate it or love it. Well being a huge coheed fan i was so disappointed at first with this instalment as i was waiting for the giant hand to reach down and grab me like it had when i first heard time consumer all those moons ago. However, SSTB has dissapeared into insignificance compared to this album, it just needed some time and a little bit of appreciation. You cant listen to a coheed album and not remember that its part of a bigger story. This album is all by one narrator so its gonna sound similar throughout and so what if the two apollo songs have the same tune, its meant to show claudios progression and it does just that. So what is the problem? Im not saying you have to like it, just don listen to two songs then throw it away. Give it a chance, it will suprise you. Cas x

lol. It baffles me that people are saying SSTB is a better album than IKSSE:3 and Good Apollo. I mean, some of my favorite songs from coheed come from second stage. But ALBUM wise, the last two installments are much better. and wtf is this bull about songs getting longer. If im not mistaken, good apollo is the only cd of their last 3 that doesnt include an 8 minute plus song. Final Cut doesnt count because it has that blugrass song on the same track. Maybe its just me, but thats the part of coheed I like. The long songs. you guys are entitled to your opinion, and if this colin guy wants to make a complete ass out of himself by praising Second Stage over these two albums, then so be it.

I'm a coheed fan but I picked this album up the other day and I really can't get into it at all, just drones on and on.

I'm gonna say this once...
stop pretending that you actually LIKED Second Stage. It was structureless and boring and not that good.

In Keeping Secrets is their BEST album, so many hits on it.

Good Apollo is a step down, but still has GOOD songs, especially Willing Well III and Ten Speed.

so stop saying "worst album of the year..", that's reserved for some shitty rap album

I regret paying th $15 for this. Granted, I only listened thru once, but so far, I've only listened to about 3 songs all the way to the end. I shouldve read some reviews first. This is too boring, and drawn out for me.

hey whats up with all you anonymous's? get some balls and make a user name if your going to talk shit

This is a really well put together album, I love the story about Claudio and how he progresses over time. I'm enjoying the album so far and I will for quite a while

ok soooo, granted this cd isnt a front of the music industry thing, and it doesnt seem like thats their aim, this is purely for the job it is doing, creating atmosphere and the extreamly long tracks go towards this, not everyones cup of tea to listen to such long songs of similar sound, but even so their talent makes up for a lot of their flaws, their music isnt greatly catchy but would they get called pop if it was, the point of the cd should not be missed its there for any one who understands, the music they have writen is deep, it isnt simply about falling out with your girlfriend this is epic...epic genre they should rule the epic genre!!! and before they go extreamly crazy in mental home...i hope for them to bring forward in their space crafts many more cds of this epic genre.

Hi @ all! My comment in German.
Finds gut das kaum jemand lesen kann was ich hier schreibe. Da wird sich nur noch mehr aufgeregt.
Coheed & Cambria ist die wohl beste und talentierteste Band die ich je gesehen und gehört habe.
Jeder der das Album richtig gehört hat und was anderes sagt hat keine Ahnung von Musik und sollte sich lieber bisschen bedeckt halten.
Und auch die anderen Alben sind der Hammer.

Das einzige was ich dazu sagen kann:

Coheed & Cambria ruuuuulez:
Greatest Band in the world!!!

And to all the Flamer-Pussys: Shut up!!!

I think this guy should actually know a thing or two about music before he actually goes and says some of the most ignorant comments I have ever heard. You are what is wrong in the world

Listen to the album more than once or twice, this is the most epic progressive shit in a long time. Fuck you guys just cuz u listen to shit that all sounds the same and u have to bitch on peoples shit and not even try to respect - give it a chance

kenjamin is a joke and so is this band. Boring to the max.
They opened for AFI a year or two back and they were telling the audience to "NOT BE SO ROWDY" because somebody might get hurt.
What a bunch of pussies.

AND when they noticed that the people were bored they said stuff like
"Don't worry AFI is up in just a lilttle while"

i think the band took more time making the title of the cd rather than taking time to write a good cd

coheed is complete garbage and dont let anyone convice you otherwise

"i think the dude in this band with the hair made the last 6 posts"
there you go why are you judging the band if you cant even remember the name claudio i meen serious if you knew anything about the band then you at least know his name. really how hard is it to remember the name claudio ive known it since the day i herd of coheed. so i reserve the right to provoke your judging privlidges.

there officialy gone

ok so in the defence of the people who said this album sucked i must admit the first time through this cd i thought it sucked. now when i was hit with this "disapointment" i listen to some other stuff for a while, but for some reason i found myself strangely drawn to this cd, so i gave it another time through and now i cant get enough of it. just like" in keeping secrets" took some time to grow on me "good apollo" did too and theyre both some of the best music ive ever herd. i also think that if you think coheed sucks then you need to learn a little more about them and the whole story." coheed and cambria are fictional characters in a comic book" is the line that has gotten so many of my friends hooked on coheed so check it out www.cobltandcalcium.com its the ultimate coheed fan site (hint: dont say coheed sucks or were likely to kill you). thats really all i have to say so next time instead of going through a cd once and concluding it sucks next time give it a chance and be a real reveiwer. this cd is one of the better ones i own and is in my top five cds of all times witch are all coheed or shabutie albums. so needless to say i think you suck.... penis.... all of you!!!!!

OR dammit, not OT

WOOOOOOOO WHAT A LONG ALBUM TITLE!

THIS ALBUM MUST SUCK! Why bother even listening ot commenting! I already know it will suck since the title is so long!

...sarcasm

He I supposed to be Anonymous

Don't say such bad things Gert-Jan!

I hope you go to hell, You go to hell and you die!

Ugh. I found myself skipping every song halfway through because they sucked so damn bad. Save possibly two songs, this album is shit. I'm sorry I wasted the cash it took to buy it.

Not to dig up an old topic, but, I CANNOT BELIEVE "Cirlce Takes The Square" is being thrown around yestredays trash in this forum.....mabye you people would rather listen to " I was a band popular in the 90s" crap.

I really don't understand what people are talking about when they mention reggae as a part of Coheed's new sound The only reggae thing I've ever heard them do is a jam at the end of concerts, but it's hardly part of the band. Anyone want to clarify?

"This CD is nothing short of brilliant"

So I guess brilliance is now needlessly long titles and making an album so similar to their last one that they should have called it "In Keeping Secrets Of Silent Earth:3 Part 2 (Insert really long subtitle)"

Makes sense.

Man, you are sooooo wrong! This CD is nothing short of brilliant, there isn't a bad track on it. It's unfortunate that you don't seem to "get it", but with all the cookie cutter, no talent bands out there producing the same generic pap, it's a pleasure to listen to a band this original and talented.

I love this CD, it hasn't left my player since I purchased it bright and early on the day it was released.

Coheed and Cambria Rule!

coheed fucking rules I am getting thier tattoo tonight you can all suck a dick those who shit talk on here wich is 95% on here long live coheed!!!!! fuckers

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Was this a review a fucking joke? Did you listen to it? It's freakin good, wtf...

When I heard "Welcome Home" I had great hopes for this album.

When I heard the rest of it, I'm glad I stole it from a friend, rather than drop money on it.

And "The Suffering" is aptly named. Why did the childrens chorus from Blood Red Summer have to come back? It ruined that song and ruins this one...pretty much because they sound similar.

I guess I'm going to go listen to Second Stage Turbine Blade now. (Because it's actually something of a solid album)

And I'm also going to wait for the classy guy who decides he needs to post to tell me that the children's chorus returned because Claudio's a pediphile.

i think the dude in this band with the hair made the last 6 posts

why would you fucking idiots buiy this CD if u dont like it your all low lifes who spend the whole day doing reviews

fuck every single one on you motherfuckers who said anything bad about the album. it was a spectacular piece of art. and claudios voice is astonishing. so fuck EVERYONE who said even a little negative thing about the album, it rocks my fuckin socks bitches!!!

who ever wrote that is right

stevejones8770 can fuck right off go listen to the ramones or some shit band like that man you dont have taste in music you big fagggggggggg

I cant believe what you all say Id like to find out what you all all listen too so I can totally shit talk it

steve jones ur a faggot

I love this album people should go by the way music sounds and not be fags and nerds and read the lyrics it sounds awesome all of thier music

c&c shit factory is what this is

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

fuck every single one on you motherfuckers who said anything bad about the album. it was a spectacular piece of art. and claudios voice is astonishing. so fuck EVERYONE who said even a little negative thing about the album, it rocks my fuckin socks bitches!!!

Every cd by this band has taken HUGE steps downward.

They will probably never recover. Especially since they're on a major.

This album is actually very very good. To be honest, I didn't like it at first and on first listen would have probably written a review with a negative side. If you actually listen to it and get past things that have no relevance like album or song titles or song lengths (which saying the songs are longer makes no sense since the majority are shorter than any other of their albums) then you'd realize this album is actually great. It's not even that different than "In Keeping Secrets... ". It's more intricate and has better vocal lines.

Claudios voice is definitely unique and with that there are definitely people who won't like it. Just because it's high doesn't mean it's whiny. There aren't many singers that can pull off vocal lines and patterns the way Coheed does. Whether you like it or not, the lines are extremely sophisticated and to write a full album of different lines the way this album has is truly amazing.

There's a reason this band has had so much buzz for the past few years and has achieved the success they have. It's the same reason that this album will probably go platinum and will continue to grow they're already massive fan base. With the success comes jealous fans that wish their favorite band was as popular or got the same recognition.

overrated rock critics shit

i would almost consider taking this seriously:

colin....where is yoru brain tonight..i hope you didnt squander it....maybe you wont find out what i know....coheed is the best damn thing about this shattered shell of a music seen...go cut your wrists and black your eyes...

if it weren't for the abandonment of grammatical rules and spelling errors to boot.

the shattered shell of a music scene you refer to is one that, if coheed and cambria came around at its heyday, would would have exiled the band and its fans immediately. coheed plays sci-fi nerdrock with a reggae twist these days. all their songs sound the same.

if you want to know what i think is good in this "shattered scene" go see my review for circle takes the square. they play equally long songs but they make them interesting and good. they have a girl that screams better than claudio.

shut the fuck up and go back to math class, kid.

what is coheed doing that is so different?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

- not only is this "music" nothing new, its nothing good. its shitty

whatever man.. coheed is one of the only bands out there doing something different... In Keeping Secrets was a wicked ablum. and the new album takes a bit of getting used to, but it's also really good.

i love it, and im glad they chose the path they chose...

so cry on bitch..why aren;t you laughing now?

dear colin,
after reading this review..i have come to a conclusion....your mother and i should have aborted you...

sincerely,
your father

colin....where is yoru brain tonight..i hope you didnt squander it....maybe you wont find out what i know....coheed is the best damn thing about this shattered shell of a music seen...go cut your wrists and black your eyes...

go listen to your boring scream-o with the same power chords and the whining bs i have my life my girlfriend dumped me. With a review like this i wonder how you ever made it in the world. go hang yourself....maybe then youll know what REAL music sounds like.

I take it back.

This shit is pretty boring

I haven't heard the whole thing, mostly because of the length, but the songs that I have heard parts of, sound better than shit on the last full length.

"Whover reviewed this album is a fuckin' close minded, short attention spanned idiot. Finally there is a band that doesn't comply with trends or fall into any category and they get ridiculed for it. What's great is that the band doesn't really give a shit about reviews like this and doesn't claim to be punk, emo, or any of that shit. I think they are getting better and better and are developing a science fiction story on top of it. Of course it sounds nerdy, but who gives a fuck, they straight out rock......like the days of RUSH, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd. Oh yeah, they suck too right."

They do comply to trends. Hair metal, prog.... maybe not trends of today, but they are not that orginal.

Whover reviewed this album is a fuckin' close minded, short attention spanned idiot. Finally there is a band that doesn't comply with trends or fall into any category and they get ridiculed for it. What's great is that the band doesn't really give a shit about reviews like this and doesn't claim to be punk, emo, or any of that shit. I think they are getting better and better and are developing a science fiction story on top of it. Of course it sounds nerdy, but who gives a fuck, they straight out rock......like the days of RUSH, Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd. Oh yeah, they suck too right.

how about... if i dont like it, i just dont listen to it?
this is one of the worst bands to "hit the scene in the past 50 years."

what exactly is FOB?

Coheed rules, if you don't like it, go cry to FOB.

The album cover above is actually a sleeve for the real cover. My roommate bought it, that's how I know....
no seriously... no seriously, I'm not lying guys. Don't look at me like that...I listen to good bands....I mean it! No, guys come back!

-benz

I'm not reading all those comments, but a question:

At my local store, I saw this album with a different cover. Is this because I live in Canada, or is this cover a "limitted edition" sort of thing?

"I think calling Coheed emo is a gargantuan copout. They certainly do not "describe themselves as emo", as anyone with half a brain would more than likely strive to shed the term, not embrace it. Coheed and Cambria are a rock band, their lyrics are composed of a sci-fi story, not some neo-suicidal emotional warblings, I'm tired of every new band that writes a mildly downhearted lyric being called emo. Many of the greatest singer/songwriters of our time, and times gone by , have been writing morbid lyrics, far more morbid than anything here, they were never classified as emo. I'm sorry but for me you classify a band by their instrumentation, not their lyrics. I'd suggest everybody who is still clinging to this ridiculous notion, take a good long look in the mirror and then repeat after me, "I promise never to make ridiculous assumptions based on a band's lyrics ever again, especially when they are conceptual and based on a fictional universe that is not filled with emotional darlings who are so obsessed with the macabre that they wish to slit their wrists with the utmost urgency."

Okay, I never said that morbid lyrics are a bad thing necesarily. Like I said, I like a lot of emo bands, and even this one to an extent. Read my other comments before you go about judging me.

'welcome home' is the only good song. this is worse than the last album. long live second stage turbine blade!

Well, I play guitar and I recognize that the guys have talent, there new shit isn't interesting though. So it's just like they wasted their talent on some stupid concept. you can be good and talented and still have bad taste. Especially when you think everything you play is good just because you sold a bunch of records to some 16 year olds. Basically this new shit doesn't have any powerful emotions behind it and is just boring. When good bands have been doing prog rock music lately they have been using the idea of prog rock which is going crazy and doing NEW things, experimenting with sounds that have not been used before, or using old sounds in a fresh context. These guys however are just ripping off old ideas. There is no luster on their riffs because they've already been standardized. At least the last two records had songs where I was like okay, this song feels cool and sounds fresh. Unfortunatelly that same energy is not there in this record. And going from acoustic guitar to distorted guitar is so used already by fucking radio bands. These guys have pushed themselves downward rather than forward because they want to impress everyone and show that their not just a part of this fucking cookie-cutter hardcore/emo/punk thing that every band seems to be in some way connected to. This new shit isn't heartfelt, its thought-through way too much. If they really want to sound NEW they should start a NEW band.

anybody else recieve their new Jelvins record yet? The new version of "California Uber Alles" is killer.

I think that Coheed and Cambria is the best band to hit the scene in years. Anyone who doesn't think so should suffer 50 lashes from a wet noodle. On the other hand, Claudio's voice is super duper totally potally high. Like, o my gosh! This band is totally not tough enough for my hard ass. But wait a minute. You don't listen to Against Me! You need to be banished from this Website! ...and so continues the endless punknews debates.

I don't think I could understand an argument saying anything other than that Second Stage Turbine Blade is the only good Coheed cd.

The other two are not good. Really.

-benz

Now this is what I call a heated debate. Am I right? Does Coheed suck? Do they have talent? Is this album worth while? Only one thing is for sure, only you can find out for sure by listening to the album. In addition to this comment, only you can prevent forest fires.
That is all children. Next weeks hot debate, where has Steve Jones been? Where are you Steven!!??

do you think his pubic region looks like his head?

i can play an instrument really badly.

last i understood, this site was punknews.org
yet i still see people getting indignant when nonpunk bands arent worshipped for their talent and yadda yadda yadda. who gives a fuck?
yngwie malmsteen has talent, & he's still boring as hell.

You, my friend, are a fool. I can imagine you are some geek that listens to much and talks about it like you know it better then your private parts. Can you even play and instrument? Write a review based on skill and talent and not your personal opinions.

I like the singer's hair cut!

Tthe first zepplin album was such a standard blues record. I think most fans agree that their later (ahem, "diverse") records were far superior. Thanks for the music lesson there chump. Did all of the idiot absolutepunk.net kids come here to defend coheed or something?

Okay, turbine blade was pretty damn good, keeping secrets was freakin amazing, the new album is not quite as good as in keeping secrets but good none the less. I don't get where this guy is coming from because last time i checked, talent and creativity was a good thing. ...even better when it comes with great songwriting and concepts. It does stray away from the mostly punk influence sound of the first album just like the second album did. My only complaint about this album is the lack of up beat songs the second album had which gave it more dynamics.

"Good bands like to dabble into different music because they want to become more diverse."

yeah but when good bands do this, their diverse material is still good. when bad bands do this, like coheed, it sounds like crap.

just because its different doesnt mean its good. besides, it doesnt sound ALL THAT different from their old stuff

Now a days everyone judges a band by the first couple songs they hear then expect them to put out the same material. Good bands evolve and change over time. i am a huge zeppelin fan but for the other people saying they are, you are full of crap. You probably only like the first couple albums and hate "presence" and "in through the out door". You are not truly a fan of music. Name one great band that played the same type of music for their entire carrer. Good bands like to dabble into different music because they want to become more diverse. So either you like the band or you don't. How can you expect the same songs and material from a band? If you do, once again i repeat, you are not truly a fan of music. I dont even want to get started on lyrics. so fuck you all. you know nothing about music

why does it happen?
because it happens
roll the bones

It's been said many times before, but why don't people just listen to Rush instead. They did this shit like 35 years ago, and were good. Fuck these guys.

Sugar were goin down

opps wrong band.

-sirens

"20 something assholes who display middle school writing abilities, don't know the difference between a clarinet and a guitar and attempt to "criticize" music albums by demonstrating "how boring" the music is or "how lame" the lyrics were written."

haha thats me!

see ya later anonymous guy #28485978798 we'll really notice your absence

ban his ip hahahahaHA he cant' keep away!

paul

shit son you like some bad music

do you still wear acid wash jeans and nike force hightops?

as for C&C being emo i'm fairly sure i've heard them describe themselves as a progressive emotional rock band

Coheed And Cambria - Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV, Vol. 1: From Fear Through The Eyes Of Madness
Posted by mikeinflames on 2005-09-20 19:28:54

all you guys complaining about Coheed dragging on are the same guys who think they can satisfy a women in 25 seconds

oh silly little premature ejaculators

i like sabbath. i like maiden. i like kyuss.
i dont like this. whats the difference, you might ask?
well, none of the bands i mentioned sucked. this band does. if youre going to have really long songs with clearly enounciated vocals, then you need to have good lyrics, something c&c lack. call it led zeppelin syndrome.

"Fuck! this album rocks, you can judge it only for "Welcome home", because it is, in my opinion, the worst song of the album! This album is a trip, is a fuckin' amazing work! Coheed and Cambria can change their music from song to song, from metal to emo, from pop to rock, it's amazing! and the story, ladies and gentlemen, is fantastic!
The best bend in the world! Definetely!"

You like men.

I think calling Coheed emo is a gargantuan copout. They certainly do not "describe themselves as emo", as anyone with half a brain would more than likely strive to shed the term, not embrace it. Coheed and Cambria are a rock band, their lyrics are composed of a sci-fi story, not some neo-suicidal emotional warblings, I'm tired of every new band that writes a mildly downhearted lyric being called emo. Many of the greatest singer/songwriters of our time, and times gone by , have been writing morbid lyrics, far more morbid than anything here, they were never classified as emo. I'm sorry but for me you classify a band by their instrumentation, not their lyrics. I'd suggest everybody who is still clinging to this ridiculous notion, take a good long look in the mirror and then repeat after me, "I promise never to make ridiculous assumptions based on a band's lyrics ever again, especially when they are conceptual and based on a fictional universe that is not filled with emotional darlings who are so obsessed with the macabre that they wish to slit their wrists with the utmost urgency."

Fuck! this album rocks, you can judge it only for "Welcome home", because it is, in my opinion, the worst song of the album! This album is a trip, is a fuckin' amazing work! Coheed and Cambria can change their music from song to song, from metal to emo, from pop to rock, it's amazing! and the story, ladies and gentlemen, is fantastic!
The best bend in the world! Definetely!

Yeah, the new With Honor is another huuuuuge disappointment this year.

2005 sucks.

Jimmy you are gay
Why post a big rant about something that is obviously going to continue with or without your dumbass?

I like this album... commence my crucifixion.

jimmys leaving?

man, i'm going to really miss him. just like everyone will really miss me if i'ld stop posting

note to jimmy: if you dont regularly post your name or have a username or contribute to the site, then you shouldnt go on rants like that. they mean nothing.

Reading all these comments from such well informed music fans I have changed my mind about this band. This cd is my generation's equivalent to Stravinsky's "Rites of Spring." I predict that people, after hearing the mind fuck brilliance of this record, will riot in the streets of NY!! Mr. Narrator, this is Bob Dylan to me! This is one rock & roll band that I will put my life in their hands! Oh, Jimmy, please come back to Punknews.org because you've seriously changed one misguided sorry excuse of a middle school dropout's opinion on music. This record is perfect.

wow i swear this is the last time i come here, i mean i come to visit this fucking lame excuse for a "website" every month or so and not once, ONCE, have i been able to read a single decent review, thus here is my resignation letter:

dear reviewer(s) and founders of punknews.org:

why the fuck are you all so retarded?
im sick of your lameass site polluting the world wide web with 20 something assholes who display middle school writing abilities, don't know the difference between a clarinet and a guitar and attempt to "criticize" music albums by demonstrating "how boring" the music is or "how lame" the lyrics were written.

please

please i beg you

stop this crap

sincerely

Jimmy

ps. ban my ip if your are able to, thank you, i never, ever, want to come back here

"And by some of the comments maybe it is worth buying for the whole CD. The guy below me is right they are tryin to set a mood. Hmmm tough choice but yeah maybe this is worth my pennies."

ah, if only it was a matter of pennies rather than dollars. this isnt worth the price of gas used in a honda insight to drive to the store down the street

And by some of the comments maybe it is worth buying for the whole CD. The guy below me is right they are tryin to set a mood. Hmmm tough choice but yeah maybe this is worth my pennies.

Hmm. I'm a big fan of "The second Stage Turbine Blade" and yeah their next album was almost too prog rockish but it wasn't half bad. I guess this just gets worse but "Welcome Home" caugh my attention so I may buy it just for it. Either way I hope Coheed And Cambria hasn't lost their talent.

The goal of the album was to set a mood to better illustrate the conceptual story being told. Coheed made an marked attempt to reguventate prog-rock, and i'd say they were pretty fuckin successful...just because the songs are less "popy" doesnt make them boring. THey are theatrical, which was the goal in the first place... Try going to another Coheed show...you will see that they still rock the fuckin house just as they did....they bring a punk latin feel to the crowd, and the shows are never as dramatic as the cds...

agree? disagree? ......IM me ...HomieGyopank.....

i'm a fucking fag

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Garbage that won't matter in a few years

if i did though i may have to give it a 6

"What's your take on the new With Honor?

Please don't say it's a 9...."

truthfully...

6.5

i don't know if i can bring myself to review it...:-/

"All of you who are complaining about the "pretentiously long" CD title or the slower pace of the music on this album should stop bashing things you don't understand. The PURPOSE of Coheed and Cambria's music is to tell the story behind the songs, and everything from lyrics to tempo to mood across each CD conveys that story. Maybe if you're not a fan and don't follow the storyline, it is kind of boring. There's a simple solution: Stop bashing things you haven't even attempted to understand because you're either too "scene" or too dumb to care, and let those of us who see the genius behind a band willing to put that much work into their music enjoy what we hear."

so basically, what your saying is, the music sounds this way because of the mood of the story they are presenting at the moment.

i guess this album is telling the really really really shitty/boring part of the story.

and so were the first two albums

-j

Ooh, the always clever "If you don't like this music you're too stupid to understand it" bit.

All of you who are complaining about the "pretentiously long" CD title or the slower pace of the music on this album should stop bashing things you don't understand. The PURPOSE of Coheed and Cambria's music is to tell the story behind the songs, and everything from lyrics to tempo to mood across each CD conveys that story. Maybe if you're not a fan and don't follow the storyline, it is kind of boring. There's a simple solution: Stop bashing things you haven't even attempted to understand because you're either too "scene" or too dumb to care, and let those of us who see the genius behind a band willing to put that much work into their music enjoy what we hear.

with honor was badass When they played with h2o
Nowadays h2o can make most bands look badass I guess.
Anyways to the guy who said guttermouth should be shot..
Take your clams and whammys and get the hell outta here!

What's your take on the new With Honor?

Please don't say it's a 9....

i think this is the only time i will agree with crooked

how many bands actually set out to be "emo". i understand being hardcore and punk way way back in the day....but we're bands looking to be emo?

No. Critics gave them that label and im sure internet forum whores would have to if it was possible

"I won't list "real emo" bands, because i hate people who do that, but seriously, this isn't at all. Just because they have some whiney lyrics does not make them "emo"."

Well you make a valid point. But the lyrics in this album and the last define what the mainstream "emo" music has become due to shit bands that gave emotion a bad name. But I concede to your infinite knowledge.

I won't list "real emo" bands, because i hate people who do that, but seriously, this isn't at all. Just because they have some whiney lyrics does not make them "emo".

Dude the lyrics are extremely emo. The music may be some sort of hair metal mixed with prog, but lyrics such as "Pull The Trigger and the nightmare stops" is emo by definition. Their not like any of the bands i listed and that was the point. Those bands are really good and this ablu sucks. Hence what was going for with that statement.

"No. They are emo and they even describe themselves as emo. This isn't necessarily a bad thin, but this album definatly is. I liked SSTB, and they were a few tracks on the last CD I like a lot as well. Bu this blows. I mean l love Cursive, Built To Spill, Modest Mouse, and a few more emo bands, but this is pure shit."

Just because a band says they're something it doesn't mean they are. This is nothing like the bands you mentioned, which means i've just realised you don't know what you're talking about. Sigh.

"Anyone who believes that Coheed are emo clearly has an ill founded conception of the term, i.e. they're pretty stupid"

No. They are emo and they even describe themselves as emo. This isn't necessarily a bad thin, but this album definatly is. I liked SSTB, and they were a few tracks on the last CD I like a lot as well. Bu this blows. I mean l love Cursive, Built To Spill, Modest Mouse, and a few more emo bands, but this is pure shit.

Anyone who believes that Coheed are emo clearly has an ill founded conception of the term, i.e. they're pretty stupid

paul,

he has vaginas for testicles

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

do you think claudio perhaps has no genitalia and a hole between his legs for a pencil? it would explain the voice and the troll pencil top hair

paul

"yeah but guttermouth are making fun of bands that write "love" songs and make fun of bands being "emo"
they have also taken a liking to making fun of bands that change thier sound to fit trends
meanwhile the band did exactly that
guttermouth are the biggest joke in punk rock today and someone really needs to kill them"

i dont know. they talk shit on themselves for gusto too.
they talk shit on everyone.
they are punk and they need to live
so i dont think they are really hypocrits

"or 100,000 people are idiots"

How many people voted for Bush in the last election?

How many people believe in Bible-literal creationism?

How many people listen to Anti-Flag?

It seems like there's at least 100k of idiots out there. Maybe a few hundred million more too.

"those are both great albums. argue all you want that the music wasnt "guttermouth" or what you want guttermouth to be, but the lyrics were top notch and the music was good"

yeah but guttermouth are making fun of bands that write "love" songs and make fun of bands being "emo"
they have also taken a liking to making fun of bands that change thier sound to fit trends
meanwhile the band did exactly that
guttermouth are the biggest joke in punk rock today and someone really needs to kill them

This album has almost sold 100,000 copies which either means that we know nothing about what is cool, or 100,000 people are idiots.

"guttermouth are the biggest fucking hypocrites around today
someone needs to remind them about covered with ants and gusto"

those are both great albums. argue all you want that the music wasnt "guttermouth" or what you want guttermouth to be, but the lyrics were top notch and the music was good

"Score is for guttermouth making fun of kids who are into this poop."

guttermouth are the biggest fucking hypocrites around today
someone needs to remind them about covered with ants and gusto

"i will agree this album isn't great, but to post a review by somebody that tells you early in the review he doesn't like the direction the band is going from prior albums kid of sucks. i just want to click on a review on this site again of people that just love music and don't constantly hate."

So you want happy-happy reviews by people unfamiliar with the band? Fuck that. I'd rather read what someone who is familiar with the band thinks. If this reviewer was a long-time listener and LOVED this record, would you post the same thing?

P.S.- I think the review's fine, maybe because I don't have a firm opinion of the band either way. (although all the prog-rock talk below makes me skittish- those bands almost destroyed rock and roll in the 70s!)

Has this homeboy hit puberty yet?

they might as well just make their next album's title the Preamble to the constitution, atleast thats a meaningful run on sentance.

but still, i love this band. cant help it.

k-dubs

Of the first 11 songs Welcome Home is the longest. All the rest (except 1) are in the 3:30-4:30 range.

The last 3 songs are all 7 minutes so I guess I can understand your beef on those, but saying the majority of the CD consists of songs that just keeep going and going and going? Seems flawed to me.

anything that garners even a hint of a mainstream audience is shut down almost immediately.

Yeah...no.

sorry but this reviewer has straylight run on his favorite records list. STRAYLIGHT RUN!

The five top-scored albums reviewed by users appear in their respective "profiles." Straylight Run, despite only a 2.5 star rating, is the fifth highest-scored album by Colin, as he's only reviewed around a dozen combined live performances / CDs.

its funny reading what 15 year olds think "good" music is supposed to be.....

This band is definitely going in there own direction with a post-zepplin sound which is a little differnt from there first cd which was more emo-corish.

This site has some pretty bad reviewers though, just looking back and remembering that the new funeral for a friend cd got 4 stars while this gets 1 1/2. I know they were two differnt people but that is still pretty bad.

Frankly, IKSOSE3 is my favourite Coheed and Cambria album, anyone who says that that record only possesses a meagre "few good tracks" is only interested in the commercial, radio-friendly side of coheed, and really shouldn't be buying their albums anyway. It's so "cool" to rubbish this latest effort, but if you like the first two efforts, I can't see that you have a legitimate claim to disparaging what is essentially one of the most innovative rock records that will be released all year. Good review though, expediently informs you that if you don't care for the "watered down" side of Coheed, that would appeal to the more pop orientated listener , then you should steer clear. I for one think this CD is excellent, as good as SSTB but not as well done as IKSOSE3.

mars volta and coheed are two good bands.... you are the geek if you say that they are overrated (just to pretend that you are so cool).

This band is truly awful, there are no two ways about it. If you like them then you're a cunt. It's fact I'm afraid.

I liked it.

The Suffering is actually a pretty catchy track but the video is horrible. Pure camp.

art rock?
ha ha ha ha
Jesus Man! How about albacore?
Score is for guttermouth making fun of kids who are into this poop.

it makes me ashamed that my brothers band is on the same label.

I dont know how anyone could not find this band to be comical.

check out the video for suffering at mtv2.com. it is the worst trhing i have ever seen.

so bad its funny

http://www.mtv2.com/#videoPremiere/1509973

i'm all about creativity, what i'm not about is falling asleep. i'm into all kinds of music -fast, slow, hard, soft, what the fuck ever.

but this shit is just boring.

im sick of people accusing everyone of not liking albums soley based on being mainstream. i saw these play right when their first cd came out and hated it. and i hate this just as much.

avenged sevenfold is better than this when it comes to "music from modern bands that is reminiscent of the music punk was trying to destroy in the first place."

throw mars volta into that genre too

I'd go with an early Rancid album myself. Let's Go was good.

Don't Compare Them To Rancid or The Casualties

If I had a choice between Rancid, The Casualties, and this cd, I'd pick Coheed and Cambria. It doesn't change the fact that this shit is whack and despite any genre you place it under, it still has indulgent solos, obnoxious vocals, and characters and stories that no normal person can relate to. What I'm really saying is, you people defending this cd are making piss-poor excuses as to why this shouldn't have gotten such poor reviews and really need to go fuck off.

"3.The Die Hard Coheed Fan Which Will Give This A 10.
I admit i think they are one of the best bands around at the moment, but no this is not their best. IKSSE:3 Was"

If this is true, then i feel sorry for the die hard Coheed fan for they were born deaf.

okay i'll look at this cd in the 3 ways everyone seems to:

1.Second Stage Turbine Blade was their cd to get them on the map. Now they're playing the music THEY want to. It's better then having a "Forth Stage Turbine Blade"

2.They are not punk. So they must suck right? Well this website should really be called www.punkerthenyou.com
Music is Music. You may hate opera and think it all sucks. *not saying i like it*Well To Someone that likes opera they could probably go on for hours about how someone is better then somebody else. It's the same here. Don't Compare Them To Rancid or The Casualties.

3.The Die Hard Coheed Fan Which Will Give This A 10.
I admit i think they are one of the best bands around at the moment, but no this is not their best. IKSSE:3 Was.

So Here's My Review:
It's sounds like nothing else out there. So Between switching Thursday and Thrice albums, How bout some variaty?

Good review, shit album.

i'm not saying i love everything that comes out today... but reading reviews on this site is depressing when it used to be fun. anything that garners even a hint of a mainstream audience is shut down almost immediately. i will agree this album isn't great, but to post a review by somebody that tells you early in the review he doesn't like the direction the band is going from prior albums kid of sucks. i just want to click on a review on this site again of people that just love music and don't constantly hate.

matt

does this album remind anyone else an insane amount of alien ant farm?...

This seems old and probably is redundant since there is a slew of comments between the one directed at me and this, but here goes:

I'm not a writer because I have a volunteer position at a webzine. I'm a writer because I write short stories and other fictions. It's what I go to school for. Don't confuse my reviews with my writings.

Sigh.... I remeber when this was a good band. I guess Scream Sayonara is right.... This band has been Time Consumed.

yayforapathy

i can certainly see why people wouldn't like this, but i'm a fan of art rock and progressive rock as well as punk, hardcore, and metal, so there's a lot on here that i can really appreciate. Excellent musicianship is displayed here. I like it so far.

i was also excited to see that the best buy exclusive bonus disc was recorded at the hollywood show that i was at. that 12-minute version of "the final cut" rocked my socks off when they played it

Scott Kurtz>Claudio Sanchez

"all you guys complaining about Coheed dragging on are the same guys who think they can satisfy a women in 25 seconds

oh silly little premature ejaculators"

all you guys who think that this album doesnt drag on are the same kids who brag that they last 4 hours everytime with the biggest erections theyve ever had, yet half of you have never had sex, and the other half havent realized that no one is stupid enough to believe them

This was a good review.... he had no bias what so ever, good job collin.

all you guys complaining about Coheed dragging on are the same guys who think they can satisfy a women in 25 seconds

oh silly little premature ejaculators

This guy just took the words out of my mouth.

"A. the singer's voice is "too whiney/high"
B. they think C&C are "pretentious" because they have insanely long album and track titles
C. their lyrical subject material is based on a fictitous sci-fi epic, and is thus made for "pussies""

I know he responded to each of these but like Coheed it dragged on way too long for me to keep paying attention.

Wyzo

guess i'm the only fucker on this site pretentious enough to like this

good fucking album

Score is for the comment about wanting to give Claudio Sanchez a dirty Sanchez, becuase I too have fantasized about giving him a dirty Sanchez and spraying his face with diarrhea after a lng night of drinking a lot of alcohol and Taco Bell.

not a single track on this album is 8 minutes long
thus making the statement about 8 minute solos a frabrication

A. the singer's voice is "too whiney/high"
B. they think C&C are "pretentious" because they have insanely long album and track titles
or C. their lyrical subject material is based on a fictitous sci-fi epic, and is thus made for "pussies"

What about the music sucks besides that? I've tried to get into these guys but i just dont dig it. They are pretentious apart form long album/song titles.

/niveK82

How bout this- the music just sucks....flat out....can I make it any clearer???

i can't deal with this any longer. everyone seems to be criticizing this band for one of 3 reasons. either:
A. the singer's voice is "too whiney/high"
B. they think C&C are "pretentious" because they have insanely long album and track titles
or C. their lyrical subject material is based on a fictitous sci-fi epic, and is thus made for "pussies"

i don't see a problem with any of those aforementioned "problems." here at punknews, a lead singer's range should really not be a major concern. half the bands that are revered among this site's posters are fronted by men that sound as if they've had throat cancer for the past 15 years or have swallowed a serrated knife. that garbled, warbling "punk rock howl" is really beautiful to the tone deaf, perhaps. for most of this crowd, complaining about Co & Ca for having a lead singer who's range is a bit higher than normal just seems hypocritical.

as for the extremely long titles, ok. i can understand that it's excessive and maybe even annoying, but it's an interesting novelty. even more than that, it's better than bands who make unfunny puns out of their titles or who have no creativity at all and attempt to make half-assed political statements from their titles. besides, it's the music that matters, not the titles. if you believe Co & Ca's MUSIC is pretentious, you've clearly never listened to any so-called "symphonic metal" bands or incredibly "underground" indie rock. that shit is pretentious.

now about that lyrical content...it's great. it's based on the lead singer's comic book series (which is admittedly crappy) involving some kind of galatic struggle and blah blah blah. whatever. the lyrics are interesting. they're chock full of weird imagery and they're just amorphous enough to be applied as a metaphor in any realm of life. there are endless possibilities as to their interpretation. this is not a band who simply writes songs lambasting politicians or whining about their first kiss at the junior high dance. they're not simplistic by any means, and to delegate their lyrics to the realm of meaningless "D&D, star trek" shit is just ignorant.

i want to give claudio sanchez a dirty sanchez

paul

oh and it looks like i messed up on my previous rating...sorry

well this album isnt as good as the first 2, but its better than most people on here say. i bought it today at lunch and am actually enjoying it. but then again im not an eliteist little shit like most people on this site seem to be. i mean if you dont like a band, dont read the review or post some stupid comment. why waste your time? and to the guy that asked if this is the coverart, its not...its the art on the slipcase.

why do all the reviews on this site start with the writer proving his punk-ness? A majority of reviews begin with the reviewer explaining to the reader how many times they saw the band or how long ago they got into the band. Are we supposed to belive that because the reviewer liked the band from the start that somehow affects the quality of the record?

actually, it was the opposite for me. for a band like coheed and cambria, a lot of the kids around here would just lash out because coheed was never "punk" to begin with. i was trying to set up the review as someone who isn't just lashing out at this band; i was a big fan of the first album, and i wanted to show that it's not about punk attitude, it's about a serious decline in the ability to record half-decent music. if i wanted to supply a punker-than-thou review, or a "pitchfork" review, i would have suggested going to listen to refused or okkervil river for good long songs without the unnecessary overproduction and excessively lame storyline.

if you really think you can do a better review, then write one, but don't pretend to know where i'm coming from with the way i write. i tried to make it available to people of all intellectual levels but obviously i skipped over yours.

why do all the reviews on this site start with the writer proving his punk-ness? A majority of reviews begin with the reviewer explaining to the reader how many times they saw the band or how long ago they got into the band. Are we supposed to belive that because the reviewer liked the band from the start that somehow affects the quality of the record?

1 1/2 stars? The album isn't THAT bad, admittedly it's not good either.

WWW.PITCHFORKMEDIA.COM support private college grad hipsters from long island who drive their dad's old jetta. Fill the cup and shut the fuck up.

Meh, I'm a fan of this band, and, while this CD doesnt outdue past albums, its still decent. too much hate.

Rush sucked enough. These guys are like the even worse Rush.

Rush, Rush, Rush. They knew how to play but couldn't write a decent song for the life of'em.

-Will

sorry but this reviewer has straylight run on his favorite records list. STRAYLIGHT RUN!

can i direct you here, sir?

i'm not exactly sure what you're referring to. if it's the new straylight run EP, then yes, i enjoy 3 of the 6 songs because they show growth and a new direction, even if one is a dylan cover. but i don't know where you're getting my favorite records from.

plus, you're defending this hour long piece of shit that shows a band going in the complete wrong direction.

what's the pitchfork website's address? i grow weary of reviews of bands that i don't like/don't fit the description of punk(anymore)

Reviewing good albums! The Hold Steady - Separation Sunday...can you say ALBUM OF THE FUCKING YEAR. Maybe even The New Lows & Hard-Fi. I guess i am gonna go hit up Pitchfork. They wouldnt dare review an asshole as shitty as Coheed and Cambria.

sorry but this reviewer has straylight run on his favorite records list. STRAYLIGHT RUN! The truth is this record isn't NEARLY as bad as you all are saying, it may not be 2nd stage but it's not the end of the world. Also to the guy who says coheed is "the cheesiest band of today", dude dream theater still exists. I rest my case.

This Album Blows. Why would you even dare review an album this terrible. Leave this shit for mtv and corporate cash cows. Where is your Jimmy Fallon "The Bathroom Wall" review or your Jesse Camp review. Take my $$$ so I can't spend it on drugs

Oh yeah, the quote is...

Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

It's attributed to everyone.

Score's for Ellis and Moore. No score for this poop.

If you throw Willingham and Bendis in there, you've got my four favorite comic authors.

having a high voice doesn't mean its whining....on this cd he actually sings alot lower in some songs

jesse, you can't arbitrarily dub yourself a writer because you quote a saying. we all know better. thats like saying all gays do nothing but fuck each other in the ass - they're soooo into blowjobs.

I don't care for this, but it's a sad day when weirdo comic book, post Zepplin bands aren't at least getting their due for being weirdo comic book, post Zepplin bands. Frankly, I'm glad the scene supports such insane crap - it's part of what makes music fun.

OC

nofx should change their name to "grow weed & cannibus" and record a concept album of their own. the first track could be called "the decline part 2: keep your dungeons and dragons, captain spock, weak ass, prog rock shit out of my scene."

any ideas on what the album should be called?

i wouldn't use this even for a coaster.......ohhhh!

every time i read anything about coheed and cambria i think of the lawrence arms making fun of their long-ass titles and i laugh...

man i suck. i cant stop listening to this. i really like it. maybe i should write a review for it, like aubin says

Alan Moore and Warren Ellis would have a field day kicking the shit out of this whiney douchebag.

score's for that comment.

There's a saying amongst writers (Regardless of the misused comma):

Those who can't, teach.

There's also now apparently a saying amongst sci-fi comic book writers:

Those who can't start shitty-ass prog wannabe bands to gloss over their thinly veiled, predictable plot lines.

Alan Moore and Warren Ellis would have a field day kicking the shit out of this whiney douchebag.

Anyone else going to see the HORSE the band record release show this friday in Anaheim?

i loved both second stage and in keeping secrets, but this...this just let me down in so many ways. i thought it might be a grower, but it isn't. i think i dislike it more with every listen actually, which is pretty fucking frustrating considering the fact that i looked forward to this for so long. ugh.

its "the final cut" bitch

just like avenged sevenfold There is too many posts bad or not for this piece of crap.
Bob Barker says "Remember keep the wuss butt-rock population down neuter your singer"

I absolutely cannot stand this no balls yahoo serious troll pencil top rush covering sideways backpack boy's in capri's endless song titled star trek dork comic book shit.

wow that was a runon sentence...maybe coheed and cambria can use it on their next album!

paul

The review is fine......no problems at all......it's just the band that sucks. I agree with the review for the most part.......it's well written and informative.

If you disagree with this review, please feel free to submit your own.

i'm pretty disapointed with the album as a whole...no tracks really jump out and grab me...maybe it'll be a grower...

I can't even see how a band would make such a terrible downward progression like Coheed and Cambria.

It's been said a thousand times, but I'll say it again, Second Stage Turbine Blade was awesome, the next one was pretty trashy, and this is even worse.

I don't know what the band is going for, their Iron Maiden and prog rock fetish has gotten out of control. How can they make songs like "Welcome Home" and not think that they are the cheesiest band in rock right now?

Oh well, at least I'll always have Second Stage Turbine Blade.

-benz

Mexican dudes with afros who sing like chicks should not be this popular. I blame it on Queer Eye...

Yeah, with an album title like that....

I can only imagine the intricate detail of 7-minute guitar solos and abstract lyrics with philosphic references. People who like crap like this should go take a nap in a running car.

worst album of the year.

I havent heard this one yet... although I do like the first one, I liked the second one even more. If it sounds anything like the first one, I should like this one too. Can't wait to hear it. Shit like long titles, long songs... i just don't care. A song can be long and good, like Tool. They're my favorite band and have 15 minute songs. oh well, to each his own.

Nice review from a guy who doesn't seem to like the band in the first place-oh wait, he liked Second Stage and that was that, and 'never could get into them' apparently.

He saw them live and says he enjoys Second Stage to this day. Being disappointed by any further output from a band doesn't disqualify you from your opinion. Better a review from someone objective than a drooling Coheed fanboy.

How about you write some reviews yourself weiner.

Nice review from a guy who doesn't seem to like the band in the first place-oh wait, he liked Second Stage and that was that, and 'never could get into them' apparently.

How about we get reviews from people who know how to review the band's material and not people who don't like them?

I can't fucking believe there is a book to "accompany" this album.

-brad

coheed are from around kingston ny, which is ulster county..not orange county.
-TOBB

To keep the album title short, just call it GA,IBSIV,V1:FFTTEOM.
oh shit.

Comment of the day.

this band is a bunch of ugly turds. and their music is retarded.

concept prog rock = nein danke. step away, there is nothing to see here

did anyone have any hope for this not sucking?

i really wanted it to be good, i really did, i liked a few songs from 'Second Stage...', and thought MAYBE they'll go back to that sound. but jesus christ, this is not good at all. lame.

i'll say it again; as far as major label bands from Orange County NY are conerned, gimme Autopilot Off any day of the week over this.

To keep the album title short, just call it GA,IBSIV,V1:FFTTEOM.
oh shit.

I used to be a huge Co&Ca fan, even beyond their dissappointing sophmore release, but this new shit is far removed from their old sound, and its just all show and no substance. Some bands just sound better when no one is listening.

Its hard to see a band change sometimes, mainly because they subvert what you liked about them intitially, which I would say was their punk influence. But these guys have changed for all the wrong reasons, and I can't quite put my finger on it. They used to strive to be something different, and now they're all about raping 70s arena rock with irony. And might I mention, the punk movement was feuled by hatred for the epic, self-indulged crap of 70's arena rock bands. So it doesn't surprise me to see many people that come to a site titled Punknews and outright reject this nonsense.

Yeah, this album for teh win.

"Anyone who calls Coheed "whiny shit" is completely off base, and has probably never heard the band. It's tired, everyone says it, shut up."

It's not even close to being as tired as your reviewing "style."

Where is the new Horse the Band please?

I really liked "Second Stage." I really, really liked "In Keeping Secrets." I can't wait to pick this up tomorrow.

i really enjoyed this album. could have been a little better but its better than most of the stuff ive heard lately.

Yet another dumb fuck band uses a number as an album title. If your band is not called "Cursed" or "Led Zeppelin" don't use numbers as album titles. I'm going to name an album VIII just to take the piss out of these pretentious bastards.

Barkley

this band does have talent but they are terrible. it's fucking cheezy and his voice is downright terrible. this is a new rush, terrible. if i girl breaks your heart and you can write 3 albums comparing it to arming your battlestations, you're really a homo. stop wasting time with girls, go straight for the cock. i'll put on the new randy and go for some rock........bitches!

Anyone who calls Coheed "whiny shit" is completely off base, and has probably never heard the band. It's tired, everyone says it, shut up.

That said, I have no desire whatsoever to listen to this album. I really enjoyed "The Second Stage.." and "In Keeping..." had it's moments, but I can't really see this being that worth my time.

For the guy confused about the title...
Apollo is a dog, Star IV is ... well it's a place.
Originally 'Good Apollo, I'm Burning Star IV' was suppossed to be one cd, but now it's two, hence the "Part 1".

Score is for Delirium Trigger

this is a really really good review. i totally agree, second stage was a great album, and a much much better direction than this new garbage.

LOL Is that the cover? WOW

i just want to try and understand the title...

is it addressing someone/something named Apollo or Good Apollo and telling him/it that he is going to burn a star/ship/something named Star IV?

and the rest is self explanatory, the title of the first volume of what i wrote above?

either way, score is for this band

I fucking can't stand this whinney band. Yeah I know "then don't listen to them"......I just really needed to get it off my chest.

i haven't heard this yet but judging by the slide of their last album and the increasing song and solo lengths, I'd say the score is right on.

Score is for keeping Thrice happy on the road.

"Second Stage" was a truly phenomenal album. And the reviewer is right in pointing out that it's been all down hill from there.

OC

score is for the intro song.

but seriously, i love this band... i just wish they'd go a little less in keeping secrets... and little more devil in jersey city.

k-dubs

I haven't heard this album so I can't comment.

I liked In Keeping quite a bit, honestly. But I have no desire to hear this after "Welcome Home." They're redefining "over the top."

I can't even believe the pretentiousness of that title. When one of their family members asks them the name of their new album, aren't they embarassed to say it with a straight face - or do they quickly change the subject?

Second Stage Turbine? One of my fav albums. Delirium Trigger is astonishingly good. In Keeping Secrets? A definete step down, but much more listenable then this reviewer would have you think. The Crowing and Al the killer were really good. This one? I have heard 3 songs off of it, and they are all so bad that I hope I never stumble upon them again. Im afraid to even listen to the rest of this album....but from whaz I heard of those 3 tracks, this gets a 1 all the way.

this album really is horrible

high five for the ballsy review

I'll put this one under suprises of the decade. Who'd have expected this would suck? Oh wait, nearly everyone even their old fans.
-Dante

these guys are just so goddamn lame. that album title makes me want to punch all of them in the throat.