Posted by schniebly on 2005-11-24 20:17:47
My Score:

Their first cd was alright but this one is the shiznit

Anyoen know the set list for the bled and underoath??...just curious.

yo this "misplaced" fan is actually a friend of mine you douche.

dude....
the writer of this article is a fag who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about.

music is definatly an expression of ones veiws and beliefs
my problem with this show was basically confusion
thirce depicts some extremely christian views in their lyrics yet thier new album cover and backdrop for thier shows is an astrological wheel shrowded in other ancient religious symbols(non -christian
symbols) is this just another form of christions trying to convert and desanctify other forms of faith? or is thrice non discrimitory if anyone can please
EXPLAIN THIS TO ME

Just what thrice and Underoath wanted! Mindless and hateful fans who go to the show and listen to their music just for the chance to hit some dude in the pit, rather than listen to their meaningful lyrics and extraordinary musical talents. Fuckin bros.

oh, and i forgot one more thing...

your a douche.

you (the reviewer) are one of the most close-minded people i've ever heard. you seemed to hate everything, especially if it didnt reach your expectations. i can tell that you dont take change very well, and another one of your expectations is for everything to be the way it has always been. i guess everyone is entitled to thier own opinions, but this review sounded more like a full out bitch-fest.

I agree with everything you wrote, especially the whole Jesus mumbojumbo.. But Thrice was amazing, and Underoath was a nice addition.

colin your a fucking idiot. If any band had a comment about how satan is the shit. you would probably agree. you boob.

ok whoever wrote this is a retard. they are just some writer who got the job not a music fan who got the job. NEED NEW PEOPLE . whet to that concert last night , it was awsome. HEY REVIEWER GUY YOU SUCK!

Seriously, let people say what they want. If he would have randomly said "Cats are the coolest thing since dogs!" You wouldn't have been complaining. He just said something to give credit to what means a lot to him. That's the band Underoath is. It's their time, their stage. They can say what they want... it's not preaching just to say what means al ot to you.

Seriously, did a pastor like kill your parents? Why does religion need to remain a private topic?

And alas, this has changed from the subject of music to whenever a hardcore band should mention religion in their shows or not. And then I hear people say that religion is not important when it comes to music. It really shouldn't, yet we find ourselves here. Tsk Tsk Human race.

underoath looks like a bunch of jesus's apostles with their long hair faggy side parts. this guy is right though about dustin not using his scream enough. the bled is really bad. i'm guessing this guy is jewish because all he did in the review was complain about a few things underoath said.

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, October 15, 2005 at 5:39 PM (EDT)
My Score:

1 is for the whinneyness of this review

Hey colin man, i really think you need to back down a little here, you're making this whole thing out as if Underoath are some mad christians playing songs about jesus and trying to convert people to religion and going on about "if you're not down with god, you're going to hell". That's just not the case man, they said one sentence at the end of the show about how they thank god which, despite your claims to the contrary, also came with a sentence about how, if you're not down with god, that's cool with them. You're attempting to make something out of a non issue. Let it go.

"do they really respect it, respect my faith? because if they did, they wouldn't bring up theirs. it seems like them trying to cover their ass by saying "we respect it" after the fact."

Well you have to remember that they're saying this to over 2,000 kids a night. They don't know where everyone stands, so why not say something because you never know who's going to care or not care, meaning the ones who care and/or open to other's faiths or the ones who totally are closed to the idea of sharing an opinion. And if they totally alienated you, then I guess that's just too bad. I doubt they meant anything personal by it.

It's not that much different than a straight edge band talking about what they believe in (hello Embrace Today) or Bane talking about hardcore in their sets. People really do put their faith in hardcore/punk/whatever scene or their politics. Everyone should try and accept whatever beliefs one may have. Even if we believe it shouldn't be talked about (spiritual faith or whatever else) and they are talking about theirs, why can't we just agree to disagree?

Honestly, if Underoath were a band of a different faith and talked about it, I think this would be a much different conversation (not between you and I, Colin, just in general) but that's just me.

Uh. Shut the fuck up faggots.

i try and keep my judgements in check

i guess i take my own faiths, and htose i've held previously, very personally and i would never discuss this with a total stranger, and i feel awkward having people push theirs on me.

do they really respect it, respect my faith? because if they did, they wouldn't bring up theirs. it seems like them trying to cover their ass by saying "we respect it" after the fact.

"my point isn't moot, because the fact they brougth up god in the first place is what pisses me off. if they have the audacity to do that, they're probably not cool with people not being down with the JC, but i'm not gonna go there. i'm just going to say that i think it's out of place."

I just saw them last night and during the J.C. speech, they said they respected everyone else's beliefs and if they don't believe what they believe, then it's cool. They always have said that at their shows and they also have toured with not so Christian bands as well. They're down for whatever.

The thing with Christianity, is that the faith IS to proclaim your faith and talk about it. That's what makes Christianity so different than any other belief.

Also, hypocrisy runs EVERYWHERE. Do not judge Christianity by what some believers who've done something in Jesus' name when its obviously not that cool with Christ (a la the Crusades, which I think were retarded and Catholic priests molesting boys). I'm aware of the hypocrisy. But I think assuming Christians are republicans (I'm not), is just as crappy as being hypocritical.

As far as Underoath goes, before I became Christian, I was still ok with them and other bands expressing their faith. It is their opinion and if that's who they feel they owe everything to, it's much better than being self absorbed and not being humble. I respect those bands much more than someone like Blink 182 who just go onstage and talk about farts.

i said my jury is out on the album because i figured if i spoke for everyone and said "the jury is out" than they'd say some stupid shit like "you can't speak for me, i love it omg."

my point isn't moot, because the fact they brougth up god in the first place is what pisses me off. if they have the audacity to do that, they're probably not cool with people not being down with the JC, but i'm not gonna go there. i'm just going to say that i think it's out of place.

and no, i haven't been to a political show where people say if you like bush it's cool... but then again, this wasn't a jesus show. this was four bands, one of which happens to be super christian. this wasn't like going to see rise against and bad religion, where you sort of expect anti bush sentiment (i will, however, say that on both dates i saw that tour, bad religion didn't say shit about bush - veteran bands speak with their music, not between songs).

colin might have his own personal jury that follows him around and assists in decision making.

Hey colin, the vast majority of your argument is moot because the band didn't preach about god, they said, as many have pointed out, "Thanks to god, and if you're not into him, that's cool with us", or words to that effect. Ever been to a political show where the band said "if you're into George Bush, that's cool with us"? Didn't think so.

Oh and the phrase is "the jury's out", not "my jury's out".

Fuzzy: "Maybe it's you who should have done their homework more before walking into Underoath's show? After all, a little work on your part would have told you that they do such things, and it's "standard" in their set."

...Thats bullshit. do 'homework' before going to a show? how about you just rock up to the show and hope that they entertain you, rather than reading up someone elses opinion and ruining the surprises.

"And for the person who said they are so different (ya know, sarcasticly...hardy har) your right. There is not a hint of anything resembling punk or hardcore left in their sound. I can see why they abandoned that album."

hey hey hey, i payed good bandwidth money to download that album and i wanna hear the songs live!!

seriously though, it was a thrice album, and they are thrice, so they should reward their fans and play some freaking songs off the freaking identity crisis album.

Posted by CherryColaRain on 2005-10-13 00:02:44
My Score:

"I'm glad that I know Jesus loves hardcore though; it gets me a better chance of getting into heaven when I die."

Hahaha that goes for ALOT of us around here. Either way, Sucks that The Bled didn't put up such a fight, they are a great band. Glad to hear Underoath and Thrice are still at it though. ALthough I would probably miss Dustin's screaming chords aswell.

When I go see someone play/speak/etc I expect to hear them talk about what they are passionate about. I've had great conversations with musicians during interviews about politics, art, college, and music. I've had great conversations with pastors about sports, religion, culture and more.

Maybe it's you who should have done their homework more before walking into Underoath's show? After all, a little work on your part would have told you that they do such things, and it's "standard" in their set.

Also, there is no difference between religion and politics, except for one controls the course of the country...and it's not the latter.

the underoath keyboardist looks like philip seymour hoffman and yes it is hilarious to see him hit one button every ten minutes and then start banging his head.

thrice don't like Identity Crisis, they consider their first "real" record to be the illusion of safety. They have tried reworking a few of the songs so it doesn't annoy them as much. My point being, don't expect to hear anything off of identity crisis.

Posted by wrongstring on 2005-10-12 19:38:29
My Score:

score for best and most humourously written live review i've ever read on this site. great job.
it was pretty much the exact same at the San Diego Show. though thrice seemed off that particular night. maybe it was the general shit sound of Soma though, it is a giant cement box.
i guess my beef with UO thanking jesus is that HIS name is synonymous with hypocrisy, republicans and the military. i guess invoking it in a concert setting shows character in the face of an apathetic generation that will drive an SUV to a show and applaud your courage while surrounded by other middle class white people. but thats just an opinion.
ah...loathe subjectivity in neo journalism

hahaha at the zeus comment.

i will say that i do have a bias against christian shout outs (but that is probably obvious by now) because i think there's a problem with organized religion. when i was a part of the church i was still never 'a part' of it so to speak, i keep my faith personal. i never liked people saying "you should be more christian," just as now i don't like them saying "you should be christian" or "you'd really enjoy buddha", it's like, i believe what i believe.

it's also something of a public venue situation. if i go to see chuck klosterman speak, i expect to hear about music, social commentary, and perhaps a zany story about his personal life. i wouldn't expect to have a deep religious debate. if i went to a church to talk with a pastor, i wouldn't expect to have lighthearted debate over the red sox sucking it up this year, i'd expect to have a meaningful conversation about faith.

and when i go to a concert, i expect to hear music. if you want to thank the people for coming out, even if they're not there to see you, etc., that's cool. but bringing up such a debated topic in a public forum, and obviously quite unexpectedly to the people around me, is unnecessary for a musical venue. do your preaching in places where people go to hear it.

I bet you wouldnt have complained if he had thanked Zeus. Fascist!

I like Thrices new album alot now. Its a winner.

And for the person who said they are so different (ya know, sarcasticly...hardy har) your right. There is not a hint of anything resembling punk or hardcore left in their sound. I can see why they abandoned that album.

Wow, thanks for responding in an even more civil manner than I did. I was having a bad day at work.
That makes a bit more sense, but I still say to each his own.

As for the whole love thing, I was merely making the comparison that their are people, nihilists and the cynical, who claim that love isn't real, that we imagine it. There's no scientific way to prove it's anything more than a chemical reaction, possibly with some other purpose. I don't believe that, I'm just saying, it's as ethereal as religion is.

Anyway, we've had an interesting conversation.

man. that must have taken like, 5 songs out of Thrice's set list, to thank god.
get over it

scruffy;

i didn't mean sing about, i mean take time out of a set that you're supposed to be singing in order to thank god. i don't believe that should be done. it's alienating to the people that don't share your faith.

when you speak of love, you're speaking of an emotion that i'd be a lot of people have in common. i don't see how that fits into your arguement really. it's not a belief-based thing, it's a feeling we all have (or at least a label for an emotion).

i don't think anything should ever be preached at shows, ithink that bands should shut up and play music, because if you can't speak with your music than you shouldn't use it as a tool just to stand on a soapbox.

And the two things you never talk about with strangers?
Politics and religion.
I guess they are the same. Orrrrrr, maybe, just because you can find a popular phrase or aphorism that mentions the two doesn't mean it dictates everything about them.
So, if someone's religion is extremely important to them, you want them to just not sing about it? I thought most people sing about what matters to them. I don't disagree with your right to find this stupid, but to think people have no right to sing about something just because it isn't provable is retarded.
Love isn't provable, some say it's a man-made idea, yet the majority of songs ever written have been about love.
Also, I find the idea that the diversity of the environment should affect what people sing about reeks of fascism (at the least conformity), regardless of what you wish they weren't singing about.
Oh, and bands may not thank their families on stage, but I've seen more than enough thank the crowds that support them and the people that have booked them, even their roadies.

Though, it is okay to hate Underoath because their music sucks.

Right on! Isn't music art? Isn't music a device to express yourself? Why shouldn't underoath be able to preach their message? Anti-Flag is constantly spewing their political message. Should I they check their beliefs at the door. In an age when tolorance is so rampant, I'm surprised Colin is so close-minded. Especially as a "punx".

separation of church and state, sir. politics and religion are totally different things. chances are if you're at an anti-flag show, you agree with their politics.

i don't think any preaching without just cause is right. i think if you can have a reason to back up your message (aka, "george bush is an asshole" is one thing, but "george bush is an asshole because he manipulated the public's available information on trying to sway congress in order to invade iraq to carry out a personal vendetta" is a much better arguement - and one that allows for debate).

preaching religion without justification is fucking retarded. which is why preaching in general is lame. there's no hard evidence god exists, just a book that is 2,000 years old and has been translated over and over again.

i've never seen bands thank their friends or families live, or people that "really" support them, so i don't believe it's proper to bring up jesus in a venue with a diverse environment. sorry.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 4:30 PM (EDT)
My Score:

" how many people thank God for things and you have to redicule you dumb fuck...this score is for how much of an asshole colin is"

Right on! Isn't music art? Isn't music a device to express yourself? Why shouldn't underoath be able to preach their message? Anti-Flag is constantly spewing their political message. Should I they check their beliefs at the door. In an age when tolorance is so rampant, I'm surprised Colin is so close-minded. Especially as a "punx".

I wasn't at this show, but I have seen Thrice play a couple of these songs.

I gotta say that their live show is on a downward spiral. As much as I like the acoustic version of "Stare At The Sun," it needs to stay on the "In Honor" compilation. Live it's...let's just say less than captivating.

And one of their new songs made me leave the fucking show, even after they blew me away with "Under A Killing Moon". Hopefully the rest of the album is better.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 12, 2005 at 12:12 PM (EDT)
My Score:

Score is for the author mentioning the retarded sound-board guy who rocks out on the side of the stage at Underoaths shows. Underoath sucks and that guy really weirds me out, he just rocks out hitting 1 button, honestly the funniest thing I have seen in the history of going to concerts

they've completely disowned identity crisis which is ghey. yeah it's SO old. and they sound SO much different now...ha.

mixing up and wearing a white shirt and a black belt. hahhaha fantastic. you're lucky the scene police didn't cite you right on the spot for fucking that one up.
-TOBB

Good review, Thrice played a lot of their new stuff which is cool. I want to see one of those bands :(

The Dillinger Escape Plan and The Locust are the only bands that have my permission to use a strobe light.

yeah, i have to say, regardless of what you think of a bands material, thats a pretty good mix of songs especially considering they have a new album coming out. you should be lucky they included so many from illusion and artist....

i really love the new thrice but i dont think everyone is going to come along for the ride...it is much more different from 'ambulance' than ambulance was differentr from 'safety'.

they still play a nice mix of songs

can you really blame them for not playing identity crisis stuff? they were like teens when they wrote it, and they've completely eclipsed every song on that album w/ something better. i say good riddance, although i loved it at the time.

oh yea the new album is amazing

paul

Thrice's merch is always ugly

No Identity Crisis, super weak!!!
A big choke on dick to thrice for that.

This review was pretty good, but here’s what I would do to make it better:

1. In the parking lot before the show, what was going one?

2. There was no review of the merch table. Review the merch table.

3. Did the people searching you at the door grab your butt? SCORE!

4. What was the ratio of black shirts : Thrice shirts. Or Camo shorts : Dickies?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 11:53 AM (EDT)
My Score:

first of all, i was at this show and i disagree with a lot of what this dude is saying. As an atheist myself, i was suprised/somewhat disappointed when the lead singer of Underoath was preaching. But he did follow it up with something along the lines of "And if you dont belive in jesus christ, than that is fine, we respect your opinion and we are glad you came to see us." I think if youre a christian band that is the rigth way to do it.

And about thrice. They were ridiculously good, like almost scary good. I've been a fan of thrice since identity crisis and although that is the cd that got me into the band, their new songs are so much of better songs than identity crisis. And I disagree with the fact that he said he wished they had more screaming, I think that Dustin did an awesome job of mixing it up a bit. Also, the faster, heavier songs were recieved well, the slow ones were not...middle fingers from frat looking dudes and the occasional "PLAY PHOENIX IGNITION" were yelled during the slow songs.

Nothing from 'Identity Crisis'? Fuck that shit....

I enjoyed this review.

As for Underoath...

"Jesus' dead flesh just keeps on rotting" to quote Born Against.

I've seen underoath a few times, and the only preaching they do is 10 seconds at the end of the set, something in the lines of.

"we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for jesus, but we don't expect or feel like you have to feel the same".

That's not really something to make a big deal about, is it?

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 4:30 AM (EDT)
My Score:

i love it when people use the word "portly".

well done.

I just got back from this show in Seattle, and since I'm guessing this show in Portland was probably just the other day, this review sounded perfect as to what I just saw. Spot on. I thought Thrice was still great, but the lack of anything off Identity Crisis, despite a hearty "Phoenix Ignition" chant, kind of dampened the set. And the new stuff is slow. I don't know about it.

You CAN use strobe lights, if you're the Dillinger Escape Plan. Those dudes rule. Fuck Underoath.

Were lots of kids with black hair crying tears of joy? Did their mascara run? Actually, it was probably mostly frat boys. Nevermind.

Thrice= over rated crap

I like the new albums direction. They have thrown alot of atmospheric stuff in there. Its definetly a grower.

Illusion of safety will always be their best though.

I'd really like to see Thrice, but I've never listened to Veda and Underoath is terrible.

I've got the new album... and let me say, it really sounds like 11 rewrites of linkin park's "my december" tune. Not kidding. It's bad radio rock.

I respect Thrice and have loved them since practically the get-go (got into them shortly after identity crisis came out... 400 scene points!) and kudos for trying something different.

That being said, the record is HORRIBLE. there's ZERO thrice-metal-riffiing. This band keeps downtuning their guitars each release and this time out they the guitars sound borderline nu-metal. and all the "riffs" are so simplistic and not really that moving at all.

I'm going to give it a few more spins, but I don't think I'm going to come around to it.

Blech.

Im goin to this in Chitown for Veda and Thrice

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, October 11, 2005 at 12:46 AM (EDT)
My Score:

this guy colin is such an ignorant prick. This statement is purely for his statement that religion should be left at the front door regarding underoaths set. This guy has no real knowledge about shit that this band believes it. Underoath just thanks jesue christ for allowing them to do what they do. I'm sure spencer didn't say you SHOULD believe this or anything of the nature......sheesh how many people thank God for things and you have to redicule you dumb fuck...this score is for how much of an asshole colin is

19 song set? fuckkk

The Bled weren't that great when they played witt The Used awhile ago. Speaking of, The Used has the fucking shittiest lights ever. Not to mention the fucking shittiest everything. Good thing The Bronx slayed that shit...

Three stars? Pretty harsh for a Thrice show.

i was scoring by the following factors:

1.) veda's music was uninteresting, except for the vocals
2.) i have more fun listening to the bled alone at home than i did watching them live
3.) underoath was a good live band but the jesus stuff annoyed me
4.) thrice was really good but it was still the worst that i had ever seen of them. i'm not sure if it was the new material that made the set jagged or if it was the band lacked the intensity they usually provide, but it was a three star show.

Three stars? Pretty harsh for a Thrice show.

fuck, "paper tigers" was also played. i was amazed they played as many songs as they did.

Sue me, but as I just recently got into Veda, this is a great lineup. Despite the huge venue I'll be seeing this in I'm really looking forward to it.

Vheissu is a grower. I can say that much so far. But some people act like they haven't heard a Cave In or Fugazi record before.

Oh, wait..