this score is for the funny comments below

Lynnie, I've worket it out. You're a 14 year old overweight girl from middle class suburbia who "no one understands." Maybe one day Pete Fuckhead Media-Whore Wentz will sweep you off your vans slip on covered feet and will understand you for the underground uber-cool rock chick you are.
Score is for your fat ass.

i love hawthorne heights! they are the best!! my favorite band. theyre lyrics mean a lot to me, i dont get how people dont like them!!!

i love hawthorne heights! they are the best!! my favorite band. theyre lyrics mean a lot to me, i dont get how people dont like them!!!

This is an amazing album............. amazingly gay that is.

This album is funny... it really is. I dont honestly see how people can take it seriously. Victory Records will take any band...

Their lyrics make me laugh.
they have as much skill as Anal Cunt
but AC is forever be godly

ohio is for faggots

this band is HILARIOUS!

have you seen that music video...the "these gutters will not change" song

HAHA that video...slow motion guitar spins

im crying from laughing so hard

omg i love hawthorne heights! fave band definetly ever since i heard saying sorry. now i have all their cd's and can't wait for the 2007 album!!! tiz gonna b sweet! and person down there who said they don't won't jt's hair...wutever...i luv jt!!!! he's my favorite out of the band, then casey...then so on...i named my fish jt woodruff....and i had a cat named casey after casey calvert lol. ok...i'll shutup now. anyone who hates hawthorne heights needs to DIE. and this album is definetly a 10! if i could go higher, it would b the highest number there is cuz i hav it and now every song

people r so fucking stupid i mean we know the band rocks so you dont have to put they rock my socks. how fucking stupid and imature.

Please tell me your not serious.

I don't believe Hawthorne Heights has ever been classified as "punk."

If you don't like Hawthorne Heights, you don't understand what you're missing. Fun, catchy, punk songs.

people r so fucking stupid i mean we know the band rocks so you dont have to put they rock my socks. how fucking stupid and imature.

Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet Dude!

Oroe

"This band was awesome live and their album is just as good. And if your going to post something dumb aout a band then at least have the balls to put your name on there. I love hawthorne heights so much i bought both parts, A and B, just so i could put the little booklets together : ) Now that is a true fan!"

haha no that's a true loser.

Great album but the whole 2 CD thing>? I have both but its kinda a bad way of showing how to get money.

My old haircut was kind of like JTs. That was awhile ago and I dont really know how to feel about it. I mean, sure I dont want to be associated with looking like any member of Hawthorne Heights, but all the emo girls love him...

Maybe I should grow my hair like that again.

Why are fans feeling special for owning both parts of the story by buying two copies of the CD?

Even your typical 'dumb consumer' could tell you that it's a money making scheme hoping to cash in on fans and make them feel like they are 'helping the band' when all they're doing is bringing in more money to the label executives.

GREAT ALBUM!
#12 is the best
I love you guys,
FUCKING ROCK MY FUCKING SOCKS!!!

This band was awesome live and their album is just as good. And if your going to post something dumb aout a band then at least have the balls to put your name on there. I love hawthorne heights so much i bought both parts, A and B, just so i could put the little booklets together : ) Now that is a true fan!

in my mind a big let down from the silence in black and white. this album lacks creativity and originality, and becomes redundant already after the first couple of songs. at least the silence... had a couple of tracks that stood out and could be listened to on repeat. i have to agree completely with this review though...i had my hopes up for this album, because i honestly thought the previous was a decent album with bright spots, but i was sadly mistaken. if they don't start bringing something new in, and also improve on their lyrics (which become more and more like a bad pop song where you can tell the lyrics before they even come), they're going to be a dead band soon. which, no doubt, would be a shame.

quite possibly with the exception of Aiden, the worst band in the world.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh mmmmmmmmmmmmmyyyyy eeeeeaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i like their new album but i still think the old one was better. JT IS HOT!!

i like their new album but i still think the old one was better. JT IS HOT!!

its people like the Cat fucking kid why so many people hate this band. It's so terrible. Obviously the kid who typed that is 14 years old and didn't even know who HH was until he saw there video on Fuse. I will say I like this band. They arn't my favorite band by any means but they arn't bad.

if u dont like hawthorne hieghts u should go gett fucked by ure cat u fag cus hawthorne hieghtts rocks

-the shadow in the mirror-=====

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if u dont like hawthorne hieghts u should go gett fucked by ure cat u fag cus hawthorne hieghtts rocks

-the shadow in the mirror-=====

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if u dont like hawthorne hieghts u should go gett fucked by ure cat u fag cus hawthorne hieghtts rocks

-the shadow in the mirror-=====

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if u dont like hawthorne hieghts u should go gett fucked by ure cat u fag cus hawthorne hieghtts rocks

-the shadow in the mirror-=====

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if u dont like hawthorne hieghts u should go gett fucked by ure cat u fag cus hawthorne hieghtts rocks

-the shadow in the mirror-=====

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hey i thought this albulm was pretty good, it wasnt just the best ever but it was pretty cool. i dont understand why people even whine and complain about a band if they dont like them. if u dont like em mind your own damn bussiness and shut the hell up cuzz no one wants to hear you-seriously.
if you commented on here just to say u think they suck...you REALLY do not have a life and need to get a hobby.

now lets see all the crap yall are gonna say about this.

hey i thought this albulm was pretty good, it wasnt just the best ever but it was pretty cool. i dont understand why people even whine and complain about a band if they dont like them. if u dont like em mind your own damn bussiness and shut the hell up cuzz no one wants to hear you-seriously.
if you commented on here just to say u think they suck...you REALLY do not have a life and need to get a hobby.

now lets see all the crap yall are gonna say about this.

hey i thought this albulm was pretty good, it wasnt just the best ever but it was pretty cool. i dont understand why people even whine and complain about a band if they dont like them. if u dont like em mind your own damn bussiness and shut the hell up cuzz no one wants to hear you-seriously.
if you commented on here just to say u think they suck...you REALLY do not have a life and need to get a hobby.

now lets see all the crap yall are gonna say about this.

thank you for finally making a suggestion on something you like rather than ripping what you don't like...Bane is pretty good. My favorite metal bands are Darkest Hour and Haste The Day.

it seems to me that the people who didn't put a score are about even on liking it and hating it...not to mention me, i'd probably give it around a 3 and a half or so...

It seems to me that you made a mistake about the people.

Why not go listen to something good, maybe some Bane?

hey fallen12 why dont you go cut your wrists and black your eyes HAHAHA! i give this albulm zero stars!

it seems to me that the people who didn't put a score are about even on liking it and hating it...not to mention me, i'd probably give it around a 3 and a half or so...

If you read you'd notice that a majority of the 'haters' dont put a score rating.

So a majority of the people on here hate them.

Once you factor in regulars, more hate

No, I'm not saying this is the true meaning of music...i'm saying this stuff isn't terrible, but I can see how people think it is, just because it is getting so popular. The way I see it is that this band is getting quite a few good reviews from users on here...(even if they are 12), if you have to keep disagreeing with everyone mabye you just need to get the hell off of here

Posted by fallen12 on 2006-03-22 22:32:38

Does that 12 represent your age?

Because you sure act 12.

score for the band id give you a 1 for the review. go suck a dick man. heh and after reading the posts that says hawthorne heigths are so popular but there music sucks and evryone listens to them...
hmm...and the bands that are popular and no 1 listens to them........i don;t know about you but the statistics are showing that maybe you dont have a good taste in music. just saying...and to those of you who think their lyrics suck, at least you don't have to look the lyrics up to know what their saying on every word.

holy. dude!! what kinda crack you smoking??? hawthorne heights is the best band there is. hand down. so you just go and turn on your slipknot and have a drink.
oh, p.s. there not a satanic band

hawthorne heights kicks ass dude.
both albums r off the hook and its great music to skate to.
effing stereotypers thinking that emo music is just *cut my wrists and black my eyes* its not just that. that by the way is a figure of speech. so go chew out rap or death metal

~hawthorne heights rocks~

always will

Nice nice cd love it and the old cd is pretty rad 2

What you aint one of the emo drones that thinks this is the true meaning of music.

I'm fucking shocked.

Hawthorne Heights = SHit

what a fuckstick toledo. You steriotype people by the music they listen to...that is one of the shittiest things about people who also listen to rock music and people in general...you will probably counter that by saying something like "HH isn't rock music, its just shit" okay we get that you don't like them but you dont have to go make comments about masacists (sp). For your information I have never cut myself and never felt the least bit of need to. So whatever man

Most good songs some r only ok

That is BS man...they have some bad songs but they ROCK....and its "Wish we knew this from the start" look at the lyrics before you make fun of them >.

And there's nothing to like about them....

Hawthrone Heights is a fabulous band. And there's nothing to hate about them....

= ||

this cd is the best

Hawthorne Heights - If Only You Were Lonely
Posted by md40_07 on 2006-03-10 21:11:31

Look at his first score of "Silence" it was a 1 out of 10 and he basically said he wouldn't wipe his ass with the pages in this CD booklet. He admits that HH arn't at the bottom of the barrel anymore. This could have been a completely different band that made this CD and it could have gotten a 7 out of 10, but just because its Hawthorne Heights everyone has to rip on them. If he didn't give this CD a shitty score then he would have been laughed at by people like you on here...thats all i'm saying

He still hated it.

And your an idioit, go cry yourself to sleep tonight. Your probably going to cut yourself too.

Don't hate the band.
Hate the genre.

I personally love this album.
Got it the first day.
And I don't regret a thing about it.

i had this cd february 1st, smart ones like me , go the there site and get the songs, download them and then burn it ;)
-the cd is bad ass! fuck the haters

this band is a complete fucking joke.

the end.

-xLEGOSx

Look at his first score of "Silence" it was a 1 out of 10 and he basically said he wouldn't wipe his ass with the pages in this CD booklet. He admits that HH arn't at the bottom of the barrel anymore. This could have been a completely different band that made this CD and it could have gotten a 7 out of 10, but just because its Hawthorne Heights everyone has to rip on them. If he didn't give this CD a shitty score then he would have been laughed at by people like you on here...thats all i'm saying

How is giving it a 3/10 saying it isn't bad?

who gives a fuck about what sold more? This album isn't bad, Brian admitted it and you should too

According to the latest SoundScan figures, Ne-Yo's closest rival was last week's #1 album, the soundtrack to the Disney Channel original movie "High School Musical," which drops to #2 with sales nearing 128,000 (see "What Is 'High School Musical' And How Did It Get To #1?").

Hawthorne Heights' If Only You Were Lonely finished at #3

ROFFLE

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1525609/20060308/ne_yo.jhtml?he adlines=true

MTV did something good.

Hawthorne Heights came in thrid, not first.

OMG Hawthorne Heights is the best band out there and you can think whatever you want about them but I know I'm not the only one saying this, their new CD KICKS ASS and your just full of shit!

Say whatever you want ; I LOVE this band, and I LOVE this cd ; plain and simple.

Ne-Yo is a FUCKING FAG...Hawthorne Heights is the best band EvEr...

This is the best Album I have heard in a while. Better than any other shit thats out right now. And if you say its not, then clean the shit out of your ears and listen again.

i freaking love hawthorne heights and if you don't you are so full of monkey crap so go funk yourself you piece of shitaki

Hawthorne Heights kicks arse

ne-yo fucked a donkey

i freaking love hawthorne heights and if you don't you are so full of monkey crap so go funk yourself you piece of shitaki

Hawthorne Heights kicks arse

i freaking love hawthorne heights and if you don't you are so full of monkey crap so go funk yourself you piece of shitaki

Hawthorne Heights kicks arse

o my freaking gosh man!!! ok first u probabally dont even listen to punk stuff and u think its weird so why would u write that bullshark? i love hawthorne heights and everyone else in the world that listens to punk likes them 2 so just get over yourself!

word out

this album is really good 2 me it reminds me of anberlin
but to say its better than the white album is just not right man

the video for the single is like 5 different directors ideas and they just shoved them all together. Not to mention the absolute deer in headlight acting they all do.

Hawthorne Heights and Angels and Airwaves should do a tour. I can see it now, "The Holy Duelfecta of ROCK and Salvation"

this is a little too heavy for my liking but for a straight up hardcore album it is pretty good. Give them a few more years and they will be sounding like simple plan in no time. Keep it up! and never stop reaching for the stars.

-The Holocaust was an illusion321

Much better than Silence...This is Who We Are and Where Do I Stab Myself In the Ears are great songs.

great band

Omg

Say what you will about Blink, but they are head and shoulders above anything this band could dream of producing. To suggest a comparison is an insult to human dignity. And I'm not even a huge Blink fan, though I admit I enjoy them.

to fat amanda

not all of hawthorne heights fans are fat. Some are fucking gorgeous 14-17 year old girls. Shame they have such shitty taste

I think that last comment proves teenage girls and boys with no taste in music, are there sole listeners. OMGz!111

u guyz r assholes hawthorne heights r rly talented and theyre live show is incredible if u dont lyk em then u dont have to listen to em its as simple as that

-fat amanda

HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS IS THE GREATEST!!! WHY ARE YOU B**CHING ON THEM. They do have a little work to do on there live stuff but over all they fricken rock you homo beasts!!!! Why dont you compare them to blink who totally went and changed their style all together. Lets face it HAWTHORNE ROCKS

meh.

i dont mind the single.

omg u fags need to shut up becuz hawthorne heights r more punk rock then any of the shit you faggots listen 2. green day n blink arent punk just so u no so shut up FAGGOTS!!!!!

you have to realize....people who buy the most popular music usually dont spend all of their time on the internet posting angry messages to strangers on forums. they are busy working out and fucking beautiful women

Facinating story crazytoledo.

=)

So I was playing Halo 2 on Xbox Live at a friends house and I was playing Team Slayer and the on guy was quoting the Hawthorne Heights song 'Saying Sorry,' putting his mic up to the song so I had to hear it, and was saying its the #1 album.

So I told him Hawthorne Heights are horrible an dhe's an idiot.

Led Zepplin's "lV" The Beatles "White Album" = 1/10 the quality of the Heights!

I feel bad for Brian being subjected to listening to this ROCK music to write a review.

No sympathy for him until he does what's right.

Two words: Shit Sandwich

So last night I went through and read all the lyrics to these songs....wow. You know the best kinds of laughs, the belly laughs that make your entire body go into convulsions because you're laughing so hard? Yeah, well I haven't had too many of those in awhile but the lyrics to these songs certainly provided me with a few.

My score still stands, and I'm actually being pretty generous with the score because the lyrics are just that awful. It really deserves a zero. Next time, maybe they'll try. And if they really did try....they don't deserve to make music.

I feel bad for Brian being subjected to listening to this ROCK music to write a review.

When it comes down to it, these guys just suck.

why the hell do you post this nonsense, and why do i always click on it

Haha that was supposed to be anonymous

Hello everyone jamey jasta from hatebreed here!! apparently hambone heights think they are the new saviors of rock!? !?? That is bs, hatebreed will personally bonesaw these turd furgesons into a four figure leg lock submission!!! we rock out with our edge out, and mark my words, i will give a biceptual smackdown to any assbitch who dares try and steal our baton of rock!!!! they threw themselves into this living hell!! (a clever play on words of my favorite song from the hatebreed discografy)

till death tear the limbs of hambone thighs' wanna be torch berrors of rock apart,

Danrock is my girlfriend.

- Kirby

sXenster: it appears that you take all the corporate bullshit those stores feed you seriously. I worked in the music section of the equivilant to Best Buy for 4 years, and it's all shit. Pure shit. I didn't mind when people stole, as long as it wasn't around me, and even if it was, I'm not risking my life for some bullshit company.

Although when kids play on the video game machines and leave their garbage there, and I have to clean it up... that's a little annoying.

" I couldn't even understand how little 12 year old girls would enjoy it. I feel bad for anyone who owns a part of this band's discography."

Because they are soooo cute and dangerous!

Kirby hasa girlfriend!

The song "Saying Sorry" is actually refering to their failure to perpetuate ROCK music to the forefront. It turns out Neo was victorious after all in his struggle to save Zion.

I was flipping through the On Demand videos the other day over my girlfriend's house and I noticed this band had one on there. I had never listened to the band and figured I would give it a shot...

WOW.

They are terrrrrrible.

I couldn't even understand how little 12 year old girls would enjoy it. I feel bad for anyone who owns a part of this band's discography.

- Kirby

On the comment about the screaming...I heard the first record, and to me, it sounds like the screaming was an afterthought. Like..oh shit, no one likes pop punk anymore, better through some unintelligble screams in there...and throw a bunch of studio effects on it too.

From what i understand, the battle is not over until the end of the week.

what now bitches

Anyone want to see The Loved Ones’ record release show at CBGB’s tonight?

Unfortunately, despite the widespread rumors, Hilary Duff will not opening but None More Black and Zolof the Rock and Roll Destroyer are, so there will be a decent level of ROCK in the room. Not quite Hawthorne Heights' ROCK, but still...

I have an extra ticket.

Victory used to be good what the hell happened? I had victory style 1-4 and it was all crazy hardcore.

So did this (horrible) record save ROCK music??

lol how french of you

no u wise ass fag (what a shit insult) oh yes lets listen to simple plan(but secretly get bummed up the ass)D

DICKWEED!!!

by the way i think fag has one g shitwit

I accept defeat on mispelling grammar.

the wies is fag he would not no a good band if it hit him in teh ballz. listen to real bands like simple plan and mest.
i can speak for all the guyz on this board when i say they are the best.
FAGGG!

well this is certainly much better than hip-hop ganster shit that somehow makes it to the top of the charts because they drug everyone up first so in conclusion

FUCK YOU GANTSTA SHITS!!!!!!

thewise, you are a complete douchebag....you tried to act all high and mighty telling someone to use proper grammar and then misspelled the fucking word "grammar"...so basically, not only are you a douchebag, but youre a stupid douchebag

yeah post his phone number im seriously gonna call that douche bag up....i wont threaten him or anything but ill damn sure put him in his place

Hello every1!
Somethin9s rulz, yet other thin9s are teh suck!

It sounds like you need to call him. Repeatedly.
And have us all do the same.
And, when you call, just have Hawthorne Heights playing into the earpiece.

haha you can't even spell grammar, why should we listen to you?

hahahahahaahahah

what a douche

Oh, and learn to use some fucking grammer.

Unlike that little shit a few comments down, I have the guts to at least post with an account.
I know real bands, I am not a little 'emo fag'.
My favorite band is Bad Religion.
Real bands? Descendants, Propagandhi, Face to Face.
Oh, and I'm most likely a few years older than you, shithead.

So I sent Tony an e-mail telling him he's giving Chicago a bad name. He replies with his phone number, telling me to call him. I think it's pretty fucking funny.

tub of douche > tony brummel

Wow.

With that email HH now is officially the worst band in the world.

Game over guys.

"Please remind me how Hawthorne Heights are destroying underground music."

I had a big post in my head but just look at that street team e-mail.

These guys have moved on to the top of the Holy Trinity of the Suck.

"which we knew this from the start"

aha. this is actually the line in the song... of the link posted.

something like: "and we knew this from the start" i think would have been more applicable.

that victory street team e-mail is amazingly scaryyy.

hey the wise i bet your relly a litttle emo fag you probebly dont even know who real band are are ive been listening to punk forever and hawthorn are fags

he's right you know. san dimas high school football does in fact rule. however, hawthorne heights does not.

This band is good but they could be better, a little less emo guys!

Victory in spite of all terror

thats pretty creepy.

So, I work at a CD store, the biggest chain in the US 'cause I'm a massive sellout.

Ne-Yo's sold extremely well, so far.
My (hot) assistant manager put on the HH CD last night to see if it was any good. We took it off within 30 seconds.

How has the HH CD sold so far? It hasn't. I don't think we've sold a single fucking copy. That neck-and-neck business is bullshit.

And kids? Don't fucking move CDs on us, because then I have an excuse to be a bastard to you. Aww, you want that parental advisory CD? FUCK NO! ID! NOW! GET OUT!

And seriously, all you 12 year olds who think it's funny to look through the porn - it's not. It's fucking annoying, and a waste of my time to admonish you because I give one warning, then you're the fuck out of my store.

To conclude-
San Dimas High Football RULES!

This was posted on the Velvet Rope.

An email for the Victory Street Team:
"Happy Hawthorne Heights day everyone - street date has finally arrived!

It all comes down to the next six days and maximizing our sales at as
many stores as possible. We are neck-and-neck with this Ne-yo
character on Universal and we need everyone out there tilting the tide
in our favor. Our projected numbers for first week sales are about
even so we really need to make every unit count if we want to win.

We do this first by selling more Hawthorne Heights, hitting as many
stores as possible, making sure Hawthorne Heights stock is in the
front and very visible in every store we visit. Get inside, do what
you need to do, and move on to the next store. Move Hawthorne Heights
into as many key positions as you can. Remember there are two covers
so not only put them together, put them in different places. HH should
have spots in all the new release racks toward the front of the store
but we can always increase our presence by dropping a few in another
displays.

If you don't see our product on display at the front of the store,
particularly later in the week, then go to the bin and move what you
can. There are a lot of stores that are not as on top of this as they
should be, especially something as hot as Hawthorne Heights, so we
need to give these people all the help they can get.

Also look for HH in the areas where stores keep overstock. Sometimes
this is below the bins or on the top of the rack. If you find any CDs,
particularly under the bins, try to move those out first to the other
areas of the store.

On the off chance you find a store that doesn't have any copies of the
new Hawthorne, find a clerk and ask him why they don't have it. If
it's sold out, find out when they have more coming in. If it's showing
as in stock, let him know that you can't find it so he knows to order
more.

Here is a list of the best chain stores to go to:

Best Buy

Target

Wal Mart

FYE

Coconuts

Wherehouse

Circuit City

Sam's Club

K Mart

Sam Goody

Virgin Borders

Borders

Barnes & Noble

Fred Meyer

Hastings

Meijer

As for Ne-yo, the name of the game is to decrease the chances of a
sale here. If you were to pick up handful of Ne-yo CDs, as if you
were about to buy them, but then changed your mind and didn't bother
to put them back in the same place, that would work. Even though this
record will be heavily stocked and you might not be able to move all
the stock, just relocating a handful creates issues: Even though the
store will appear to be out of stock, the computer will see it as in
stock and not re-order the title once it sells down and then Ne-Yo
will lose a few sales later in the week

This is most important in stores were we are competing with Ne-yo,
which is in the big chains that sell pop and urban product. The stores
listed above are in the order you should hit them up.

The main thing is to keep the pressure up all week. First day sales
are important but keeping our sales going and having a strong weekend
are equally important to grabbing the #1 slot that belongs to us.

Please be sure to email me this week and let me know which stores you
have gone to and worked your magic at.

Thanks everyone,

Abby

Victory at all costs, Victory in spite of all terror, Victory however
long and hard the road may be; for without Victory, there is no
survival.

hey lets listen to nickelback, they also rock
I heard that hootie & the blowfish will sign to victory next week, they could also save rock & punk
and manowar will also sign a victory deal...man that is punkrawk

wait, this band didn't revive ROCK did they? And by that i mean, they didn't beat that one group/Guy did they?

just cos it got guitars its doesnt mean its rock or even punk, ha ha hawthorne heights they suck ass, ´holy shit Tesco Vee can you beat this Emo Kids up please

I'd rather be raped by an elephant than listen to this piece of shit.

I have no idea what this band or a lot of the other bands The Kids listen to these days and I keep looking at the Take Action sampler. Its only $6... For fans of this kinda stuff, is it a good sampler?
--Cos

You guys are crazy. This has got to be one of the best albums of the year, possibly of the last 5 years. Emotional, intricate, genre-bending. This the the soundtrack to 2006. Rock music has returned.

-Jason Tate

Oh, and also, either get an account or post under your user name.

Please remind me how Hawthorne Heights are destroying underground music.
I don't love this band, but it is rare to see a rock band on the billboard charts, getting attention, in a world filled with rap music. And as for the comment on immaturity, just look at how many people resort to calling them fags, as opposed to intelligent observation.

hahahaha the comment below me made me burst out laughing

I am more than ready to personally hand HH the impenetrable torch of ROCK music to carry on its legacy.

sup, just wanted to post my score again in case you guys forgot

i saw comeback kid in portland a couple nights ago and they played like a 30 minute warped tour style set, super super short, that shit was kinda dissapointing...

Seriously? its not that bad of an album? ive had it for a while (ADVANCE COPY WOOOO!) and it def isnt great, but its not as fucking horrible as you are making it out to be.

Also, FUCK Ne-Yo? what the fuck? who would listen to that shit?

when is the Lagwagon US tour?

Good sound, terribile lyrics!!!!

Out here in the cornfields of the midwest, it's either post relentlessly on the internet or do drugs, and I'm not a big fan of drugs.

I don't get the big deal over hating this band. Yes, their music is pretty damn boring, and the most they ever seem to accomplish is a marginally catchy hook here or there. Yes a lot of dumb kids like them, a lot apparently. Who cares? A lot of breath seems to be wasted on this band.

You're getting too worked up over the thought of someone getting worked up that your getting worked up over people getting worked up.

Na, just kidding.

And these guys aren't ruining music, they just suck. But they suck a lot and I'm pretty much constantly bored. That's why I post a lot.

Some of you people are bigger drama queens than this band (apparently) is. they're not destroying the 'scene' or ruining 'music'. Thats impossible. There are still many great punk bands making real music to listen to. I've never even listened to a whole song by these guys and I don't have to. Neither do any of you. A simple 'this band sucks' or something along those lines will do. No need to get worked up over it.

And for the idiot who says, 'you're getting worked up over people getting worked up', I'm really not. I'm just bored and started rambling.

Chinatown,
Probably b/c they knew it would garner the most posts/hatemail.

Why didn't they do an animated icon for the TWO album covers?

whoah someone gave props to benton falls! Ethel Meserve is one of my favorite emo bands of all time

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Is there a reason why this review is on top? Victory obviously isn't paying you to review the album, so there's no need to glorify it like this.

-Chinatown

frick u this an amazing song/album why dnt u go bak to listening to ur barbies hip-hop wigger shit

Great first sentence on this review. Well done.

This band sucks my ass.

Where did anyone say they dislike this band because other people like them. I'm pretty sure we're disliking them for all the reasons you mentioned, other than that one.

i heard that the hawthorne heights drummer is so bad that the producer of their first album had to go in and record some of the stuff himself and then later took his name off the album because even he hated it.

jesus.

hate this band for being boring, hate them for being bad, hate them for being unoriginal, but for fuck's sake, stop hating bands because people like them. you sound like a bunch of goth kids.

if you want to listen to a flawless emo performance, listen to benton falls' "guilt beats hate"

in-fucking-credible

I played these guys on my radio show last week as a joke and I lost 8 listeners in 60 seconds (i'm on internet radio, so we can see how many people were listening). That event proves that there still is hope.

I am surprise the Hawthorne Heights mafia hasn't bashed on you guys and started crying about it yet. Fucking Emo bitches.....

"I know it's "cool" to sit your Mom's basement and type bad things about new bands"

It is? Crap. I'd better move back home and stop working full-time, then.
Also, apparently my mom needs to build a basement.

can someone post this duff review somewhere else? I missed it when it first went up and now I feel like I've missed out on something very important.

-(formerly Kenjamin)

You guys should seriously check out their message/myspace-ish site. It is the biggest collection of douche bags in one place in the history of music.

I'm considering collecting the pictures/usernames/quotes from that site for historic purposes, to always have a reference point to make sure I'm never as much as a douche bag of these douches.

Um no. Fuck this band. Wahhhh we said mean things wahhhh
Part of being an artist that produces music for public consumption is the chance that they will be criticized, deal with it chica.

That's just the point, a band espcially in the punk community is more than just music! so stop telling people they're immature for standing up to bands like HH who are actually destroying underground music. Maybe to you it's just music and that's fine but please shut the fuck up when people who actually care about this scene stand up for it.

I won't score it yet, as I have yet to hear it, but I'm sure most of the people on this board have done so.
Seriously guys, I'm not a fan of this band but grow the fuck up. I know it's "cool" to sit your Mom's basement and type bad things about new bands, but in the words of Jello Biafra,
"If it offends you, just don't listen to it!"

Oh, and worry not, I'm writing Bigwig for Tuesday unless someone submits something well-written enough.

I would submit a Bigwig review, but how will I know if you'll post it? I mean, the Duff review was very well-written.

Great Review!

in the words of dan yemin... Hawthorne Heights is music for retarded fags

I would have reviewed Bigwig if my copy had turned up at my front door yet. Oh, you said well written.

I'm mad stoked for that new Ne-Yo record to drop yo

their lyrics made me laugh like wow..
emo kids we ll love this..its all about whinning and cut some wrists

less talk, more... ROCK!

i want to kick every member of this band in the throat.

i love how tony@victory hasnt posted here under his screenname in forever....i guess he knows what a giant douchebag he is.

I'm surprised somebody hasn't made a nickname recently as has been done with Dick Cheney and Tom Delonge.

What happened to Christie front drive, Boys life, Penfold and the like??? When emo was called badly recorded indie rock???

i love how tony@victory hasnt posted here under his screenname in forever....i guess he knows what a giant douchebag he is.

i take that back, calling him a giant douchebag is an insult to douchebags

Some of the most god-awful music known to man. Not many sounds make me want to extinguish lit cigarettes inside my ears...this did. When is this fucking trend going to go the way of the boy bands???

---Trav.

If you kids want to listen to good music, check out Ceremony. They're from viirginia and play some of the the best rock i've heard. fuckin jesus and mary chain on drum machine crack. do it.

haha, i'm spamming for a band i'm not even in!

Oh, and worry not, I'm writing Bigwig for Tuesday unless someone submits something well-written enough.

Thanks for reviewing this album guys...I'm gonna go swallow a shotgun shell.

a simile is a metaphor.

I've never ever in my life heard any song by this band, nor have I ever seen a picture of them. Drown me in the sweet waters of your envy.

-Ken

Seriously good call on the simile/metaphor thing, I wrote this from scratch this morning in like 20 minutes and was bound to fuck something up.

Also, these lyrics are not typoed in any form or fashion.

was i too drunk to hear any boos for tlo/tla. and the nofx set was amazing and i havent listened to them in years. maybe i was just drunk

I was at The Nation. The Lawrence Arms set was amazing. So was The Loved Ones. NoFX was a letdown, but their fans were the real irritation.
I was right up front for the first two bands, and the number of dumb jocks that booed them and complained because "these pussy bands should get off the stage for NoFX" was aggravating.
Not to mention, I love the irony in comparing Fat Mike's open-minded liberal lyrics to El Hefe's somewhat-bigoted onstage banter.
Anyway, I may write a review of it, so I'm gonna stop talking now.

i totally agree with every aspect of this based on what ive heard from their singles but i gotta ask...if u hate all these aspects of this band then why would u even bother listening to their album?

if you only review albums that are good, or only give good reviews to albums, you end up losing credibility. look at how absolutepunk used to / sometimes currently operates. they did nothing but hype albums and paid no attention to the negative aspects, or albums outside of their target demographic, and since have basically become the joke of the scene.

while hawthorne heights is, in no way, punk rock, their affiliation with victory and the loose affiliation with being 'indie' gives them a reason to be on this site. the point of being a review site is to show that there are both good and bad albums, and if we ignore the bad ones, then how is it to show what we're looking for in music?

Score is for Husker Du's "I Don't Want To Know If You Are Lonely." Clearly they were a big influence on Hawthorne Heights as they gave them the courage to be an openly gay punk band.

I waiting for the new Streetlight Manifesto CD

yea we got "necrotism" (the RAB tracK) as well

They played Quincetuple? FUCK YOU!!!!

Though we got that track from Rock Against Bush

yo so the lawrence arms/nofx show last night at nation anyone?? any show were you can see 100 resolutions, quencituple your money, and the decline in its entirety is actually worth the twenty bucks

haha....im not saying this is a good record, but jesus christ i am sick of fucking pencil pushing nerds who write these reviews....if this music is so easy to do and elementary - why isnt everyone famous? its really easy to be a hater; step out from behind your review and go start a band smart ass......

this is my new 'get it on' cd

i totally agree with every aspect of this based on what ive heard from their singles but i gotta ask...if u hate all these aspects of this band then why would u even bother listening to their album?

Some of the guitar work actually aint bad. The singer is so pro tooled and horrible that he kills any momentum that the guitars almost build. INcredibly generic song structure. Atrocious lyrics. Is that a fucking moog in their single? Oh acoustic guitars AND screaming in ONE song? That shits insane for realz.

If someone introduced the lead guitarist to some Fugazi records and put him in a new band, he might not be half bad. I cant believe they have three guitarists. It sounds more like they hve half of one.

Anyway. Less ROCK and more DUFF

i just wanted to post my score again :)

Brian spent time writing a review for this album.

C'Mon. He reads from a card!!!

Post reviews for a radio-friendly modern ROCK "emo" album, because they're a "band" and have played Warped Tour and are on a once relevant label, but what about a solo artist who is a young woman? Sexism. We all know Duff ROCKS way harder. And her music is explicitly about deconstructing the formulaic boudaries that exist within Brian's mind when he posts reviews of bands like Hawthorne Heights, instead (as well as the boundaries that limit this type of horrible horrible music).

Brian has the spine of a chocolate eclair.

Jesus christ , post a Bigwig review already. What are you waiting for?

I read an interview with them 3 months ago where they said that the new stuff "had breakdowns". There's like 3-4 of them on this cd and they are hilarious, they're even weeker than the one in that OUTSIDE OF YOUR WINDOW....WITH MYY RAAADIIIOO song. Overall, it's aids pop, so i'm gonna give it a 4 because we won the fucking hockey, and i hate hockey.

This band go to their own merch table a few times per tour... BUY THEIR CD!. It's 100% ROCK!

How are those fish in that barrel doing? Seriously, good review though. I just found out that I used to date a girl who's waaaaay into this band now. That's more than a little creepy.

I hate this band more than Dr. Phil.

I still don't see how its humanly possible to make a statement like "Hawthorne Heights are the worst band ever housed on Victory" when the same label released two records by Snow Dogs.

He has a point.

kudos to you my friend, and kudos again. what a fucking bullshit, joke of a band.

Look at this hilarious attempt to take "rock" back to the masses. This band is a product of media buys and over spending. It shows you that with enough money you can actually be a "hyped" band... can you build fans or credibility NO. Let's just hope Victory gets another Taking Back Sunday... oops... this must be it.

I'll help you burn this record too!
tony

simile, not metaphor

What about Strife? best band ever

Ill buy it off iTunes too.

NEW HH CD! I'll but it off iTunes right now!

are these guys really thinking they can save rock music? seriously, fuck hawthorn heights.

sucks

Anyone want to meet up in a bathroom in central park for some tea bagging?

I still don't see how its humanly possible to make a statement like "Hawthorne Heights are the worst band ever housed on Victory" when the same label released two records by Snow Dogs.

Thats right - TWO!

I feel sorry for Brian, it seems like he's the one that always has to review all the horrible, lame, & generic records.

I hope punknews offers to pay for your therapy that you'll probably need years from now for having to listen to albums like this.

As far as the Replacements go, let's be fair, they DID steal "Let It Be" from the Beatles in the first place. Besides, does anybody for a second even think Hawthorne Heights even know who The Replacements are? I doubt it.

- J'Tr'Vay

remember snapcase and strife?
(sigh)

I'm starting a campaign to get everyone to buy the Ne-Yo record to spite these guys. I've never heard Ne-Yo, nor do I care about them but I have heard Hawthorne Heights and I'll bet my 1957 Bel Air that Ne-Yo's record sucks less.

I like albums with different covers. I had all 4 copies of Korn (Issues).

I have to say this one surprised me, and no I'm not emo. Its not super, but it sure as hell is an improvement to their debut album

i have never heard this band but the name of the record is about as pathetic as it gets.

"Song titles like "We Are So Last Year" and "Where Can I Stab Myself in the Ears" prove the band is well aware they are capable of nothing more than writing flat-sounding but catchy enough radio emo pop songs"

hahahah

"Did the reviewer even LISTEN to this album before he wrote this?"

Hahaa, I hope not. This band licks sweaty nutsucks.

I haven't been to their website, but I've that their forums have become a meeting place for homosexuals to meet and hook up. I might have to check it out, as I'm in dire need of loving.

"Did the reviewer even LISTEN to this album before he wrote this?"

Hahaa, I hope not. This band licks sweaty nutsucks.

i bet AP.net would have a BIgWig review up!! bahh..

"if only you were lonely" by the replacements is a killer song

this is not even trendy

Score:

ROCK: 1
Away: 0

Tony Victory I hope you read this: Fuck you and your trendy records

Fuck you Victory.

oh man please can they stop releasing all this metalcore and emocore and screamocore and all those shit that has nothing to do with hardcore. Are there really so many dumbfucks out there??

this album has two covers, don't know why.

i've never heard this band and i consider that a good thing.

way to ROCK the review.

Zombie apocalypse

Did the reviewer even LISTEN to this album before he wrote this?

How I probably would have written the first sentence of this review (even though it was a good review):

Hawthorne Heights must relinquish their crown of "potentially worst active band" with If Only You Were Lonely and now embrace the difficult to earn status as "actually the worst active band" and "potentially the worst band in history."

I give this album a -6.0 for stealing Paul Westerberg's song title. What the fuck, guys.

Worst active band that is signed. Also highest ratio of suck to record sales; which is impressive since they've sold a TON of records, only to be surpassed by an infinite amount of suck.

wheres the bigwig review?

i love that song on this album that features ne-yo

I can imagine loads of bitching about the lack of screaming on this album on HH message boards.

zomg where is teh emotion?

Speaking of typos...
"saying goodbye's the hardest part / which we knew this from the start."

I hope with all of my heart that that was a mistake by the reviewer.

*It's a "ROCK" album.

Just for future reference, this isn't a "rock" album. It's about "ROCK" album

http://crazytoledo.com/index.php?id=music/reviews/hh

Horrible !

Worst CD of the year easily.

Maybe my ideas are just a bit more extremist, but I hold the belief that if you can't write lyrics, and you attempt to write serious lyrics, you don't deserve anything more than a 1 even if the music is showing signs of progression. I dunno. Those lyrics are some of the worst I've ever seen a band write. I honestly cannot believe they take themselves seriously with that kind of shit. I think I'm going to look them up on PLyrics and laugh my ass off now. Fucking christ, those are so awful. A mentally handicapped seventh grader with the left side of his brain paralyzed could write about the same. Maybe better. But i'm being generous. Pretty good review. My hatred for this band skyrocketed in the last 24 hours.

-phdecontrol

hate hate hate

Again...

Bigwig?

i just don't get bands like this. they seriously owe ALL of whatever fame they have to 15 year old girls with no taste in music but who want to be "different"

Have now officially become the worst band ever.

and this one is for the review

"and that they are simply a lasting fad who will (hopefully) fail to reach a considerable level of influence on the scene they believe to be dominating."

i like that end part. this is a well written review. good job!

this score is for the band

Score is for the designated screamer in the band and dude getting paid for it.

Band sucks, review sucks.

wow, this sucks

ROCK WINS!!!!

why bother reviewing this on this site
no one is going to have any good things to say about this band

and it is a shame that bands like this are huge while bands with amazing talent are not

Review is amazing quite frankly, nicely done!

this band is a scene enigma.

and to think how many fucking amazing bands there are who'll never have the success these fuckers are enjoying. it's mind boggling.

This band sounds like every other band out their that teenagers with terrible taste in music love.

Hawthorne Heights is radical.

They rock my socks off.

YAY FOR THEIR UNIQUE STYLE!

:looks down:

Kirby 'Cold Blooded' Puckett.

Meanwhile Scott Heisel is cuddled up on the couch w/ some bon bons enjoying his soaps and this record during commercial breaks.

- Kirby

New Contest:

Who looks to be the biggest douche on their my-space rip off website?

Come on, there are so many to choose from!

And that is a similie not a metaphor... douche bag!

ps - Score is for the review.

Ahaahha, best timing for this review.

First Post Shit Band

yeah, but they're trying to bring back ROCK

wow, surprised to see any stars attached to this.
this shouldn't even classify as music.

first.

this band uses studio musicians.

- tony

Fuck this. Seriously. I'm gonna review Ne-yo this week.