i wish I could have gone to a show off this tour, seeing as A Wilhelm Scream are just about my 2nd favorite band off ALL time, The Lawrence Arms are definitely up there as well, and Lagwagon, although I never got huge into them were alway a great band and remains so today.

CAN't WAIT!!!

Punk rock is not dead! I will be there on the 11th in Vegas (also my birthday) and I will be drunk!!

I have not been this excited for a show in the greater part of a decade. I feel like I almost don't deserve to see these 3 amazing bands all on the same bill.

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, August 7, 2006 at 1:17 AM (EDT)
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"I don't have to know a rape victim to know how they feel. I can imagine."

Wow, I just bet you can, can't you?

sickboi - i was at the end of the bar too - but at the end farthest from the stage...i probably saw you and had no idea...i had on a white hwm shirt and a black cap

wasn't it not too long ago that this site raved about how great AWS are? now they just get swept under the "TLA is great" rug...

I agree completely with this review.
I saw this show in Minneapolis and for fucks sake...This tour was better than Warped.

Yeah, sorry about that. I've had kind of a bad/boring evening, so writing became suddenly very fun, and I went with it.

Also, I took offense to being even slightly misunderstood as "soft on rape". You understand.

Godfather....if you were by the bar, I was the guy in the black Strike Anywhere shirt that kept coming up to the end of it ordering. I was sidestage most of the time, but would run onstage every now and then for pic's and video. I also went into the crowd during TLA, and filmed "Your Gravest Words" from the front left of the crowd.

Cool yer jets, bruther.

I wasn't commenting about what happened at the university. Really, I'm indifferent to that. I'd be pissed is some morons drunk fucked in my communal showers, IMO they should have both been kicked out.

I was commenting about what you said about America's views on rape, it seemed like you said they unfairly favored women, which just isn't true.

And everything you say is spoken like someone who never went to college (This is not a quote directed at your age. I'm referring to the incredibly uber-liberal, to the point that it irritates normal liberals, atmosphere of most colleges. It's something people rarely are exposed to outside of it. Even if you work for extreme activist organizations, there isn't much that compares to the type of lunacy you'll find in America's higher education facilities.).

Everything I typed is the exact rundown of what went on. These two people engaged in consensual sex, and the guy got expelled for date rape, and ended up KILLING HIMSELF. So don't be a douchebag, Will. I don't have to know a rape victim to know how they feel. I can imagine. And knowing a rape victim wouldn't change this case.
He got a lifelong (though that life didn't last much longer) assocation with being a rapist. As I said, clear as day, this was not a case of a guy getting a girl drunk and taking advantage of her. They were both sober enough to stand up and have sex in a dorm shower (and that's pretty sober, as standing sex can be pretty hard to maneuver). They were both drunk. What is it in our society that says the male is always the aggressor? If they were both intoxicated, why is he a rapist and she a victim? How come we don't see it as her raping him, because that does happen.
Is it the age-old stereotype that all men are perverts and all women are sexless victims?
Remember, she never made a claim against him. She never claimed to be violated. The school found out and did all of this themselves. This is the same school that arrested the guy with the "This Bike Is A Pipe Bomb" sticker on his bike.
All I'm saying is that, until crap like this stops, real rape cases won't be taken as seriously as they should be.

Bottom line, how would you like to wake up one morning, after having drunken sex, and find yourself expelled from school and branded a rapist forever? Especially if the girl wasn't the one calling you a rapist?

My point wasn't that I won't ever believe a rape claim. But when it's a university calling something date rape, I will always want to know the details before I pass judgment because of the aforementioned case. That doesn't mean I won't call a rape a rape, because that would be idiotic, but I won't call something rape when I don't know anything about it, either. It's the same thing as when a junior high school teacher gets accused of sexually harrassing students. Even if it isn't true, usually that teacher can't get work as a teacher anymore because the accusations last longer than the truth.

I agree with everything else you said. The problem is that America instills a sense of male dominance that allows for some rape to be justified, but it also believes in that male dominance to a point that, if there's any alcohol involved, the sex is deemed nonconsensual, and the man is the one who the assault charges are levelled at. There are posters on college campuses that say that if a girl is drunk, she cannot legally give consent for sex. All well and good, but what happens when both the guy and girl are drunk? Neither of them are legally expected to be in the mindset to ask for or give consent. But if they have sex, somehow it was the man's responsibility and his alone to make sure they both wanted it to happen. I am not talking about instances in which a real rape occurred or the man was aggressive. I mean the cases where, sans alcohol, the sex would've been consensual. What do you do in that grey area? Do you call the man a rapist, the woman a victim and walk away, washing your hands of it all?

"2-I went to Ohio University. Once there, a guy and a girl went (just friends) went out for her 21st birthday. They both got drunk and had sex in a dorm shower. He was expelled for date rape, and ended up suing the school because a teacher called him a predator in the paper. The girl, however, was treated like a victim. Also, she didn't even say the guy raped her. She didn't claim to be a victim. As horrible a crime as rape is, this society likes to dilute that by calling two people having drunken sex the same as that guy raping the girl. So until I saw court records describing exactly what happened, I wouldn't believe it anyway."

Spoken like someone who has never known a rape a victim. Countless rapists are never served justice because America's instilled sexism usually makes them the hardest cases to prosecute. All defense attorneys have to do is show that the female has a "history of wreckless sexual conduct," which translates into "slut got what she asked for."

This society reinforces a sense of male dominance and entitlement that allows for rape to be justified. Sickening, really.

Good review, but someone really should have reviewed the Ted Leo show in Baltimore on the 2nd. It was fantastic. Was anyone else there?

sickboi - yep...i live in baltimore now...and no kidding, i was even getting into AWS....i was mixed towards them going in and i'm still pretty mixed about their studio stuff; but goddamn they sounded good live!

i was sitting at the left bar during AWS and i was all over the place during larry arms and lagwagon....i actually had a feeling you were there but i never saw anybody with a camera

Godfather -

You were at the DC show? Was is me, or did AWS have a really good response?

You know what I just realized? Most of the regular posters on this website would gladly be raped by Brendan Kelly.

Posted by boba_fett on 2006-08-05 16:18:25
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i saw this show when it was in montreal, and it was on a sunday night.

i dunno... i love wilhelm scream and the larry arms but i lagwagon was really just meh. i guess the problem is that i never got into them as a kid, cause to me now they just sounded like generic 90s pop/skate/punk.

I'll be going to this show in Santa Cruz on the 14th, so if you're there come up and say hi. I'll bring a bag of promo CDs to give to people.

In exchange, you have to post about how awesome I am.

Buying friends is easier than making them.

No fucking way, I was THERE at that Falcon show. It was in fucking Pilsen, ask the band.

"the falcon need to have their first practice before they can have their first show" -beeks

but seriously he said they will be playing shows but touring...not probable.
also i heard tom gabel might join the band...

Posted by HYPERINACTIVE on 2006-08-05 13:42:24
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"The falcon will not be doing any touring unless there is a demand for it. We will just be playing local chicago shows and maybe some in new york as of now."
-Neil Hennessy (last night)

Can't wait to see this in Santa Cruz.

Just to go further on the NIU date rape thing...Brendan didnt go to NIU...he went to Northwestern. One is in Dekalb, one is in Evanston.

Posted by grantino on 2006-08-05 12:43:43
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now i feel so stupid for not paying 800 dollars to chicago to see a show on this tour...fuck...i guess i shouldve remebered my formula of the lawrence arms > everything.

Scott, yeah it was just such a good cheap shot I kinda had to say it. But let's be honest, I don't read, so I don't really know.
-Dante

the falcon show review is false. i asked brendan over a year ago and said toby made it up and that (at that point) he was still a pussy for never have been to chicago. ruse. that word is just the best

Yeah, again, I have no idea where my original comment (the one that's from five years ago) came from. Like I said to Toby in our IM, people in Northern Illinois shittalk all the time. My deepest, sincerest and most heartfelt apologies go out to Brendan if he saw that. He's a killer dude and to the best of my knowledge has never harmed a hair on anyone's head.

PS - Ouch, Dante!

-Scott

So...wait. Was that Falcon show review an April Fool's joke? I find it funny how the only people that went to it were anonymous and the people who knew nothing about the show but would have really wanted to go to it and lived in the neighborhood were registered. If that was a joke, then wow....

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 5, 2006 at 12:22 AM (EDT)
My Score:

"anyone know if this is coming to the providence/boston area?"

Came and went, kimosabe.

Score's for me being stupid enough to skip this show.

"you got duped like me, that falcon review was a ruse, no shows yet"

Nuh-uh! Proof?

Posted by nocontrol on 2006-08-04 23:40:11
My Score:

hey godfather, how many songs did laggy play? they played a nice 23 in St.Louis

Posted by Godfather on 2006-08-04 23:37:23
My Score:

holy shit, i was at this show! lagwagon's set was way too short...other than that, perfection

you got duped like me, that falcon review was a ruse, no shows yet

1-The Falcon has already played their first show.

2-I went to Ohio University. Once there, a guy and a girl went (just friends) went out for her 21st birthday. They both got drunk and had sex in a dorm shower. He was expelled for date rape, and ended up suing the school because a teacher called him a predator in the paper. The girl, however, was treated like a victim. Also, she didn't even say the guy raped her. She didn't claim to be a victim. As horrible a crime as rape is, this society likes to dilute that by calling two people having drunken sex the same as that guy raping the girl. So until I saw court records describing exactly what happened, I wouldn't believe it anyway.

3-Scott raped my mom.

Posted by notfeelingcreative on 2006-08-04 22:27:03
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Saw this show here in orlando last night! Oddly, the band I was looking most forward to seeing (Lawrence Arms) played my least favorite set of the night (a little to "Oh Calcutta" heavy). I hadn't seen lagwagon since the 1997 warped tour, but they were really good, I was never a huge lagwagon fan in the past, but I'm starting to enjoy them alot more than I used to, Joey's voice just took some getting used to for me (about ten years of getting used to, I guess.

"Haha, I like how Toby gave up on disguising Scott's handle with several IMs to go."

Yeah that was dumb of me. I think I got sidetracked.

Posted by cuapunkradio on 2006-08-04 20:29:28
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Alright, this whole story honestly perturbed me as i couldnt believe brendan would do a thing, but hell you never know. after about an hour of internet searching/researching (while gettin' paid!) i am 97% sure that this whole incident is bs. this band Showoff is full of sexist assholes who got called out by brendan years ago. apparently they were jokingly telling a crowd to 'rape' a girl. later brendan onstage called them out on it and they wrote this song called 'anti-song' which sarcastically says that if something is to be 'punk' it has to be approved by brendan. they say fuck being pc and if you look around they love to call girls dumb sluts. and also i couldnt find shit relating to any date rape stuff at northern illinois (im not fucking paying to acces court documents). and if there was an incident in the last ten years it would be somewhere concidering how low date rape and convictions of such are looked at by the media. so basically showoff (what a goddamn awful band name) is pissed that brendan called them out onstage and their fans and them have perpetuated this slanderous rumor. i think at the first falcon show they should be led onstage and pelted with shit. and believe you me, there will be falcon shows....plus lets be honest, if anyone was going to pull a date rape incident it obviously would have been neil. captain hennessy. score is for the 'Arms

I think it's clear the only thing Scott ever raped was the sense of decency left in "underground" music publications.
-Dante

Haha, I like how Toby gave up on disguising Scott's handle with several IMs to go.

there was no rape, scott admits to making the story up below.

did he or didn't he rape that girl?

God showoff sucks. To think they had Madonna(!) buying their way into the scene and they need to resort to this shit to get attention.

Posted by SlowStupidHungry on 2006-08-04 18:37:33
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Fuck these rapists.

thanks for posting that toby, that shit made me a little sick to my stomach, i couldnt fathom that

Pretty serious slander being thrown about. I asked our man Scott and he said I could post our IM exchange...

Scott'sIM: no idea in specific where it came from, to be honest
Scott'sIM: and yeah, i had no idea what i was talking about back then.
Toby FWCSF: sure sure, but you say "has in fact raped a girl before "
Toby FWCSF: oh boy
Scott'sIM: i'm from northern illinois, that's what everyone said and i believed it then.,
Toby FWCSF: heh heh, right on
Scott'sIM: yeah, that remark was five years old.
Toby FWCSF: ummm, anyway you can post that?
Scott'sIM: you can just cut and paste this IM onto there.
Scott'sIM: brendan kelly is a stand-up dude.
Scott'sIM: i'd let him date my sister.
Toby FWCSF: ha, well he is married
Scott'sIM: fair enough.
Scott'sIM: if, god forbid, he were to cease being married, i would let him date my sister.
Scott'sIM: only until next july, though, because that's when she's getting married.
altpressscott: right. so.
Toby FWCSF: i am gonna honeslty post that shit, if that's cool
altpressscott: fire away.
altpressscott: people in northern illinois like to shit talk.
altpressscott: for whatever reason.
altpressscott: i'm sure i raped someone, depending on who you ask.
Toby FWCSF: well, that's a softball...

great show, but i didnt understand why there were so many thug kids at philly.

Posted by RondoMondo on 2006-08-04 17:10:33
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I saw this tour last night and I got to meet Neil from the Lawrence Arms! The Arms played Necrotism for me and my friend since we kept screaming it at them, lol.

Joey was drunk off his ass in Boston, and at the high points of every song he would do a metal scream, he still hit the notes though it was very impressive considering his intoxicated state

Yeah, I saw that. Scott was like 18 or something when he wrote it, so let's hope he was just shit-talking...

"Just for the record, this band does suck. But about the rape thing: I don't know what Showoff sair or didn't say. I *do* know that Brendan Kelly [from the Arms/Broadways/Slapstick] has in fact raped a girl before [or 2, if I recall correctly] on campus [he goes/went to Northern Illinois University]. He was charged with date rape in both cases, I believe. So what's that old saying, something about not throwing stones in glass houses..."
-Scott

is this true? where is this information? say it ain't so

http://www.punknews.org/review/652

check the comments

I went to last night's show. A Wilhelm Scream was good. Lagwagon was awesome. But I hate to say it.....Larry Arms is a better studio band than a live band. I've seen them 3 times, they aren't really that good.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 4, 2006 at 3:08 PM (EDT)
My Score:

saw this in ATlanta. only bad thing was the venue's sound was pretty awful, or maybe it's their style, but I couldnt really hear the vocals on most of TLA songs.
and I know kids love their jeans these days, but I coulda sworn Brenden was wearing True Religions, which are north of $200. next time I'm d/l their album

"For someone who knows so much about the guy, you'd think you get his name right. The real story behind this is that some major label punk band (who was bankrolled by Madonna) got called out so they made up bullshit stories. THAT you can ask anyone about, cuz that's the story.

where's the link to that story

anyone know if this is coming to the providence/boston area?

this show restored a lot of my faith in pop-punk. when lagwagon closed with razor burn, i definitely lost my mind for about three minutes. i had already begun to accept that they weren't going to play it.

this tour will be topped by the larry arms, draft, blackout pact, methadones tour. but i was at this show in st louis and it was super fun. i gave bk a cd from my band.

there's no links cuz it's a jealous, failed poser punk.

For someone who knows so much about the guy, you'd think you get his name right. The real story behind this is that some major label punk band (who was bankrolled by Madonna) got called out so they made up bullshit stories. THAT you can ask anyone about, cuz that's the story.

"Brandon is an asshole. His head is way to big. Lets not forget he rapes young girls. Thats a fact its in the chicago police department. Look it up. Its what broke the broadways up!"

you cant post that without providing a link/source. its fucked up

"Actually if YOU knew anything about guitars you'd know that only guitars with a floating bridge such as a Floyd Rose that is not blocked off actually go out of tune when a string breaks, and that you almost never see a punk band play a guitar with this kind of bridge because a) it's only useful if you use a whammy bar, and b) it sounds terrible when a string breaks!

MOST guitars and nearly all that any punk guitarist will use have a tune-o-matic bridge that does not go out of tune when a string breaks."

You must be one of those geeks who hangs around guitar stores talking about, aargh, "specs" and serial numbers and such.

So you can BLOW ME as well.

Rise to my bait, kiddies.

Brandon is an asshole. His head is way to big. Lets not forget he rapes young girls. Thats a fact its in the chicago police department. Look it up. Its what broke the broadways up!

How's that for intellugunt?

i can't laugh hard enough...

"If you're trying to sound intelligent why do you come off as a complete moron?"

Hey Kirby, SUCK ME.

How's that for intellugunt?

If you're such a brainiac, why do you rise to my bait? You fuckin' child.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 4, 2006 at 11:07 AM (EDT)
My Score:

i was a ripped but im a lucid drunk. also, joey cape is the man for taking my jabs in stride. in fact, somehow he turned all those jokes on me and made me look stupid. i just know when that video of the week is posted im selling my shit and moving to hollywood b.c im going to be FAMOUS, like john stamos style.
-cuapunkradio
ps. who the hell posted my name on here...lets keep it someones and anonymous. its cooler

I don't see why the reviewer thought that playing with a broken string was a sign of "professionalism." When a string breaks, the whole guitar immediately goes out of tune and sounds like shit. Of course, music doesn't matter if it's punk, right? Actually, I'm betting that the reviewer wasn't smart enough to know how bad that sounded.

Actually if YOU knew anything about guitars you'd know that only guitars with a floating bridge such as a Floyd Rose that is not blocked off actually go out of tune when a string breaks, and that you almost never see a punk band play a guitar with this kind of bridge because a) it's only useful if you use a whammy bar, and b) it sounds terrible when a string breaks!

MOST guitars and nearly all that any punk guitarist will use have a tune-o-matic bridge that does not go out of tune when a string breaks.

Not to mention it does take some level of professionalism and experience to be able to finish out a song with a broken string, which you'd also know if you had ever had to do so yourself.

Posted by baseball on 2006-08-04 10:14:07
My Score:

this show was amazing

probably the best one i've been too all year

Lagwagon was like 100x better than the last time i saw them, and the Lawrence Arms set was definitely better than when they came with NOFX

"Reviewer dude..

Were you the one with Smith/Ryan/DrunkOffHisAssDude that went to Philly too?"

that guy couldnt stand straight and spilled beer all over my nofx shirt,

He said he was pretty ripped, but he didn't seem that bad to me. You should have seen when we were interviewing, Joey kept fucking with him, it was hilarious.

I don't see why the reviewer thought that playing with a broken string was a sign of "professionalism." When a string breaks, the whole guitar immediately goes out of tune and sounds like shit. Of course, music doesn't matter if it's punk, right? Actually, I'm betting that the reviewer wasn't smart enough to know how bad that sounded.

If you're trying to sound intelligent why do you come off as a complete moron?

- Kirby

"Reviewer dude..

Were you the one with Smith/Ryan/DrunkOffHisAssDude that went to Philly too?"

that guy couldnt stand straight and spilled beer all over my nofx shirt

I mean getting to a point that wasn't so dependent on the guitar, where Brendan can carry the load on bass. They are a 3 piece, and they are certain parts in every song where it will sound like COMPLETE ass without a guitar, and other parts where you can just do a little improv bass solo.

I don't see why the reviewer thought that playing with a broken string was a sign of "professionalism." When a string breaks, the whole guitar immediately goes out of tune and sounds like shit. Of course, music doesn't matter if it's punk, right? Actually, I'm betting that the reviewer wasn't smart enough to know how bad that sounded.

How do you mean, about transitioning the song?

I think this show would have received a perfect score if Lagwagon had played "Bombs Away". Best Lagwagon song, ever.

Reviewer dude..

Were you the one with Smith/Ryan/DrunkOffHisAssDude that went to Philly too?

Yup.

Catching this show tonight in Ft. Lauderdale. Never really listened to Lagwagon, am going for the Larry Arms and AWS. That said, your comment about great club packages during the summer was spot-on.

Great review ... the lack of fanboy-emphasis on uber-complete setlists was refreshing.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 4, 2006 at 3:14 AM (EDT)
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great tour, it's been said a bunch before, but you gotta love the arms.

I thought the "cream themselves over them" links were funny. Unfortunately, I missed this tour because I just couldn't make it to Detroit.

I wish this had come to Denver, such a great line up, sounds like an awesome show.

here are the (drunk) setlists for those that asked
aws-rip,killingit,morrissey,congrats,dicks,famousfriends,h ike,diver,king isdead,anchor end,softcell,cancerdream
larry-quencituple,toast,gravest,barely, telephone,alert,ch13,100resolutions,
devils,cutitup,recover,reco rdplayer,greatlakes (might have missed one)
lagwagon-basically same as other dates cept without sadastronaut and it had rager, resolve, never stops and back one out.

i just want to say thanks to lagwagon/arms for the beer and that his show was beyond good... by the end of the lag set i could not see straight and i couldnt hear a damn thing for two days

Posted by branden on 2006-08-04 01:13:19
My Score:

this was an amazing show

Ha! Sickboi agrees with me! Resolve IS their best album!

two wrongs don't make a right.

Also, they played "Your GRavest Words" in Chicago, if I recall correctly, so it's apparently on their set for this tour.

Ha! Sickboi agrees with me! Resolve IS their best album!

Reviewer dude..

Were you the one with Smith/Ryan/DrunkOffHisAssDude that went to Philly too?

seeing this tomorrow.......

Lagwagon was so amazing.

St.Louis set list (in order)

Heartbreaking
Automatic

After you my friend
Falling Apart
Move The Car
Sleep

Making Friends
Messengers
Runs In The Family
Never Stops
Rager

Alien8
Resolve

May 16
Know It All

Sick
Give It Back
Violins
Mr.Coffee

Encore
Sad Astronaut
Rifle
Razor Burn

BEST NIGHT OF MY LIFE!! GO TO THIS TOUR!!

I checked this tour out in Toronto, and it was a really good show. I admit, I haven't listened to Lagwagon in eons, but it was nice to have fun again. Older crowd, must have been 90% 19 , I reccommend checking out this tour.

Posted by Mute98 on 2006-08-04 00:09:26
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im goin on august 11th! about resolve im not sure if its my favorite but i probably tie it for first with feelings

did lagwagon magically play change despair?

and did the arms do ramblin boys?

and also do you mind posting setlists?

also, this better be video of the week. and when i say video, i mean videos. and by videos, i mean all the larry arms and lagwagon sets. thanks.

dang they played your gravest words? nice.