I wish anonymous would create an account. We've had long running and frought battles such as: Anchors Vs Chinatown, Anchors Vs BSD, but Anchors Vs Anonymous doesn't really work.

Posted by 'anonymous' :)

Oh, and Anon...: Hope you take all of this with a grin. After all, this is the internet, and I'm just a loser talking about an obscure corner of a young genre of music that hasn't spread its wings quite yet, which is itself, the spawn of a slightly older genre which is only what, 60-70 years old? (Send my love to the estate of Chuck Berry, I suppose.)

I hope you're laughing at your own hopeless lack of knowledge on the subject.

//Oh, I'm not, but you're being too polite to me.//

When American hardcore was at an all time low, Europe kept it going strong. Without Larm, Heresy, Ripcord, Raw Power, BGK, etc., the mid to late 80's could have very well been completely devoid of any hardcore music, let alone the scene as a whole wouldn't have ever been influenced by those great bands.

//You got me, man (or woman, I suppose). I mean, how would the Gorilla Biscuits, Bold, Turning Point, Youth of Today, 7 Seconds, Chain of Strength, Kingface, Youth Brigade, Dag Nasty, Judge, Embrace, the Bad Brains and Fugazi have survived without Heresy, Ripcord, Raw Power, BGK and Larm?//

Sweden alone probably has as many truly awesome bands as the U.S.. As Mark McCoy (singer of Das Oath) notes, these are countries where people have all the time in the world to perfect their craft.

//I'll disagree, but reccomend me some bands and maybe I'll change my mind.//

Fuck, Discharge, the first or second hardcore band to ever exist, a group that influenced everyone from Minor Threat to The Fix, were from the UK. I'm not saying every single Euro HC band is great, but to give this form of music an exclusivity to America only shows how little you must know about it.

//I'm not saying hardcore is exclusive to America. I never did. I said that European hardcore being "greater" than American hardcore for years now is laughable. What I mean is that seeing the amazing hardcore bands that are coming out of America now that's a pretty bold statement. Then again, who dares wins. But, let's see the cards you've got in your hand.//

Whoa whoa whoa, let's back up a little bit here pal.

All I did was make a little joke about Belgian waffles at the beginning of the review. Did I say anywhere; "this is the only hardcore band from Belgium," or "this is the only hardcore band from Europe?" No. I said nothing even close to that. What I did say, was that European hardcore bands have little to no presence in America. I hear a hell of a lot more about Japanese thrash and hardcore than I do about anything in Europe besides the metal that comes from Norway, Sweden, and so on.

Sorry that you're a little butt hurt that I don't know as much about European hardcore as you seem to think I should, but the fact is I've never claimed to. I never claimed it didn't exist, so I don't know where you're pulling all this baseless information from.

Look, I'm sure Europe has plenty to offer in the way of hardcore, but my underlying point is that European labels seemingly don't care much about giving their bands exposure in the states. And that's fine, but don't get on my case over it, and don't put words in my mouth either.

I'm not going to turn this into a "who knows more about hardcore" pissing match, I'm not 16, but for future reference, if you're going to make this big a stink about a one line joke in a review, save it, because I'm not even going to acknowledge it.

I don't claim to be an expert; you don't have to be an expert to know that Europe has a huge hardcore scene.

I'm not trying to say you "suck" or are a dumber person than me (which you yourself are accusing me of; I am so indifferent to that sort of petty internet attack), but you have proven to know less than me about hardcore. This would be okay if you didn't come off as a totally condescending asshole towards the international scene in your reviews.

I know you don't mean to come off as an asshole, and maybe you don't even think that what you wrote is stupid, but if you ever, by chance, become an actual fan of this music, you would be insulted by this sort of review. Remember, this is an international site. Making lame stereotypes in a review would be one thing if you backed it up with any knowledge of the hardcore scene there... But you didn't. You just claim that since you don't know about it, it must not exist, and that I, a fan of European hardcore, must be imagining all of these great bands that come from there. If you are a begginer, check out Havoc records. They are one of the most respected HC labels and have released some awesome European hardcore... If you don't know who DS 13 are, then you should seriously check them out.

It's insulting to read such American-centric reviews about a form of music that has a scene in many parts of the world besides America, and was greatly shaped by non-American bands.

Yeah buddy, you sound like quite the expert on "real hardcore."

"All I said was that it's likely most of the people bitching don't know any more about European HC than I do -- very little.

I'm not saying, nor have I ever, that it doesn't exist, but it's definitely a lot less prevalent and a lot less promoted over here than American bands are over there. So all you holier than thou Euros commenting in this review can go ahead and pipe the fuck down, because all you're doing is making something out of nothing."

Hey, thanks for backing your ignorance up with childish insults about reading comprehension. Padding your ignorance with immature little attacks makes all the difference.

Who cares about what's "promoted?" I think regardless of how "promoted" a lot of Euro HC is, it has a fan base overseas... Leave promotion to bands like With Honor or whoever. Bands that have nothing to do with real HC.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 20, 2006 at 4:02 PM (EDT)

Uh, if you know more about European hardcore than any of us (even those who live in Europe), why is the tone of your reviews that of someone who's just discovered the stuff?

Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Had you mastered that skill somewhere along in life, you wouldn't have made as dumb a statement as you did. All I said was that it's likely most of the people bitching don't know any more about European HC than I do -- very little.

I'm not saying, nor have I ever, that it doesn't exist, but it's definitely a lot less prevalent and a lot less promoted over here than American bands are over there. So all you holier than thou Euros commenting in this review can go ahead and pipe the fuck down, because all you're doing is making something out of nothing.

In regards to whoever asked if this was tough guy HC.. no, buuuuut somebody who likes those kinds of bands would likely enjoy this. It's the traditional slow churning Boston style. Righteous Jams would be a good contemporary example.

Somebody who likes screamo (La Quiete and so on) may or may not like this, depends on personal taste.

*Luxembourg

Shit Anchors, I can't believe you don't even know about all the great hardcore bands from Luxembour either!! You ignorant bastard!!

I hope you're laughing at your own hopeless lack of knowledge on the subject.

When American hardcore was at an all time low, Europe kept it going strong. Without Larm, Heresy, Ripcord, Raw Power, BGK, etc., the mid to late 80's could have very well been completely devoid of any hardcore music, let alone the scene as a whole wouldn't have ever been influenced by those great bands.

Sweden alone probably has as many truly awesome bands as the U.S.. As Mark McCoy (singer of Das Oath) notes, these are countries where people have all the time in the world to perfect their craft.

Fuck, Discharge, the first or second hardcore band to ever exist, a group that influenced everyone from Minor Threat to The Fix, were from the UK. I'm not saying every single Euro HC band is great, but to give this form of music an exclusivity to America only shows how little you must know about it.

European Hardcore has been influential and as good as (if not better than) American hardcore for years now.

Dude, I haven't laughed this hard in months.

Is this toughguy hardcore? I don't get all the differences between the hardcores. Would someone who listens to screamo like this?

I remember there was some CD someone reviewed, gave it like five stars, said it was a hardcore comeback. I listened to it and the vocals were just like raaaaaaaaahhhhhh and the music was just like dnananannanana. When I listen to music like this, I want the vocals to sound like raaaaAAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaah and the music to sound like DnanannaDnanndndnBAANna

see?

Uh, if you know more about European hardcore than any of us (even those who live in Europe), why is the tone of your reviews that of someone who's just discovered the stuff? Why do you make a big deal out of the band's nationality like they sprung up out of nowhere?

Not to mention, Seein' Red, Regulations, Skitsystem, and others have toured America in recent years- and not just 2 or 3 dates, but full tours. Less European screamo bands tour than real hardcore ones.

What it comes down to is this: Just because you're ignorant to its existance doesn't mean it isn't out there. European Hardcore has been influential and as good as (if not better than) American hardcore for years now.

I guarantee that 98% of you that are bitching no no more about European hardcore than I do. The fact is, Euro hardcore bands don't tour the US have as much as our bands tour Europe. And if they do, either it's not well promoted, or they aren't touring with well enough known US bands to really garner any attention.

The only European scene that sends many bands over here is screamo. Amanda Woodward, La Quiete, Daitro, and so on.

So please, proceed with your hypocritical bitching all you like, as long as you know it's nothing more than that.

"Anchors should review a GitoGito Hustler or Gorilla Angreb album."

Or Conga Fury? I can imagine it now... "It's cool that the Japanese are starting to get into hardcore, but why do they have to have a girl singer!?!?"

soooo good saw them in daytona a month ago

if you want good reveiws on more non-american bands, check out wrecktheplace.com

they have a pretty good scope of that kind of stuff.

score is for "shut the fuck up about an american using amaerican bands as points of reference, and making witty food related jokes"

yeah, i know that was not funny. but then, i am no christopher reeves

Anchors should review a GitoGito Hustler or Gorilla Angreb album. His ignorance of international scenes and bias against female fronted bands would make for an entertaining read.

Forgot the score and of course i meant compared, not combined.

Still really really good though.

One of my favorite bands in the area, but seriously, everyone knows they're nothing combined to dead stop, holy shit what a band that was.

well if hes from america i doubt he's heard of every single obscure hardcore band from europe...so instead of getting all pissed off why dont you take the high road and tell him about some of your good hardcore bands?

There's no real excuse. If he didn't pretend to know a lot about hardcore, it would be one thing, but he acts like he has some sort of reason to be surprised that a band came from Belgium besides the fact that he's just out and out ignorant. Hardcore is such an internationally based scene, it's offensive when he writes...

Sorry dudes, but I'd guess Anchors doesnt know the local scenes of Europe well enough to make references to them in reviews. Also, you may have noticed this site is skewed towards North America, so in context, his reviews make sense.

I understand him.
I was also surprised to find out that Americans can write.
I mean, some of them.

Yeah, they are from Belgium.

I am sick of how every time Anchors reviews fucking international hardcore, he has to pretend that there's some sort of precedent. Maybe on this site, but if Anchors really knew what he was talking about, he wouldn't pretend Justice were the first of their kind or something.

His reviews are so US-centric and lame.

Weren't Dead Stop from Belgium?