Black FlagWho's Got the 10½?: Live (1986)Black Flag Reviewer Rating: User Rating: Contributed by: JohnGentile (others by this writer | submit your own) Published on September 18th 2007
Often the debate arises on whether it was Henry Rollins or Greg Ginn that ruined Black Flag. Sometimes Unicorn’s 1982-1983 injunction on Black Flag releases is singled out as the culprit. Despite valid points on all sides, the fact is that all three theories blaming someone for ruining Black Flag are wrong simply because Black Flag was never ruined. While the immediate differences between the pre-Damaged and post-Damaged output are quite striking, let’s remember that with every release, Black Flag evolved its sound going in dramatic new directions. What made Black Flag stand out is that it was willing to take risks that its contemporaries eschewed. Look at the entirely non-musical Dez-era song “Machine,” or Rollins’ version of “Damaged 1.” These songs stand as some of Black Flag’s greatest moments because they were risky, dangerous, and completely brand new. So, once Black Flag began to evolve past Damaged, it’s unfair to accuse the band of changing or being ruined. In contrast, Black Flag seemed to be the most punk of all by refusing to identify with a certain image, sound and vehemently remaining DIY. So on the band’s final release, the live Who's Got the 10½?, Black Flag matured into an infinitely interesting, sometimes meandering, improvisational unit.
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I think you meant Kira and Martinez-- Kira is Kira Roessler. I prefer Live 84 only because I have listened to 50 trillion times since 1985... I was always and still am a huge fan of this album. I cant tell you how many of my mixtapes the live version of slip it in made it on over the years. Are you kidding me? 3.5 stars???? This is the greatest live album ever recorded. Henry is in top form- screaming his lungs out like a man possessed and the rest of the band is far tighter than they are on record. This is my favorite Black Flag release. P.S.- Kira. Duh! This is an intense, kick ass live record. It's not as incredible as Ramones "It's Alive" or Dictators "Viva Dictators," but about as cool as The Clash "Live From Here To Eternity!" I think this is the only Black Flag record I don't have yet. I need to get on that. none of the Black Flag vocalists were "good singers" retard....atleast not in any conventional sense........they were definitely just what the music needed though....and of those people Rollins had the most intense, visceral scream. This is one of my favorite albums of all time. I'm gonna go dig it out and listen to it. I like Rollins, but surely no one thinks he's a good singer. "Kira and Roessler add a more metallic, heaver sound to the band." Woah. Slow down there and let's not say things we can't take back. Black Flag was at their best post-Damaged anyway Are you kidding me? 3.5 stars???? This is the greatest live album ever recorded. Henry is in top form- screaming his lungs out like a man possessed and the rest of the band is far tighter than they are on record. This is my favorite Black Flag release. they probably didn't realize how easy they were making it for black fag in the future a lot of these tracks (ie the loose nut ones) are better than the studio version, but still overall way too wanky like most later-era black flag. and hell, i LIKE wanky music, but later BF is too self indulgent without any sense of thrill or drive to it. kind of a strange opening. | Features
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