Guys, I majored in philosophy. Plato was an asshole. The best description I've ever heard of Plato is that he's the direct ideological predecessor or William F Bucklyer. They both wax on endlessly about fables that never happened and never will.

"Understand" Plato? I'd rather have my head explode..which, incidentally, is the pre-req for understanding Plato.

if you don't love Terror you really do suck.

Also I think this EP is their best stuff since Lowest of the Low, also that Dag Nasty cover rules, I really wish all of their songs sounded like them trying to cover Dag Nasty.

Posted by glasspipemurder on 2007-11-14 23:57:11
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Throwdown started as a joke band...they did their first split with Good Clean Fun. People liked it and they ran with it. Terror is fronted by Scott Vogel whose onstage diction consists of lines like "We need to elevate the maximum stagedive potential!", "Battlefield ignite!", and "Activate this dancefloor!". The lyrics and posture is part of their schtick. They thrive on how ridiculous it is.

I totally jive with where y'all are coming from, but I think it's speculative at best that Terror and Throwdown are "in on the joke."

Naming a song "Disconnected" is the same thing as calling one "Satisfaction". Shouldn't be done anymore.

Ah, nothing like hearing high school students who read Book VII of the Republic try to talk about Plato. Scurry back to your Dan Brown books, now.

Posted by defianceohioequalslove on 2007-11-13 20:17:58
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This band is sooooooooooooooooooooo generic

Contrarian, I think the point I was trying to make here is that it's less idiotic than their past material.

You can ask anyone who even remotely knows me -- they'll tell you I haven't been able to even stand Terror since I got into hardcore. However, they put out an admittedly solid release here, and I have to give kudos when it's due. Trust me, I might pan shitty bands less often than I used to but it's not because I'm scared.

I guarantee you haven't even heard this EP. And obviously those three bands you mentioned are on wayyyy different levels than Terror.

I would argue with contrarian, but he did shout-out Melt Banana, so he wins regardless.

have you read Plato? I have..small world, huh? Nothing great about Plato

Reading and understanding are two different things my friend. But that's ok, you probably aren't interested in understanding anyway.

Terror rules

Scott Vogel is a legend.

Posted by GlassPipeMurder on 2007-11-13 04:37:40
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"punk" does not equal stupid
I agree, but I think in the grand scheme of things, each artist/song/lyrical style serves a different purpose. For example, when I listen to Fifteen, I know I'm not gonna get anything incredibly eloquent or poetic, but I still resonates with me because it matters to me personally. And you have to take into account that most of the bands like Terror, Throwdown, Casey Jones etc are in on the joke and their lyrics are intentionally constructed in such a way.

Victim: all Western culture starts with Plato. That includes the crappy music you read about on this board. Nothing great about Plato? What about being the first person to have 75% of the best ideas ever before everyone else? Reading Plato in "Philosophy for Dummies" doesn't count.

Glasspipe: "punk" does not equal stupid. Terror, the Casualties and My Chemical Romance should be held to the same standards as Fugazi, Melt Banana and Dillinger Four. If you'd prefer to eat a Big Mac over fillet mignon, that's your business. But then your business obviously hasn't shit to do with art.

Calling their lyrics not up to par with Plato is one of the vastest understatements in the history of music "journalism."

I'm not interested in this band but..have you read Plato? I have..small world, huh? Nothing great about Plato..

Last time I heard these guys, they sounded like an Earth Crisis tribute band. "Tough hardcore?"

Pass.

Posted by GlassPipeMurder on 2007-11-13 02:57:38
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Calling their lyrics not up to par with Plato is one of the vastest understatements in the history of music "journalism."

You are entitled to your opinion, but I think you're taking it a little too seriously. 1)It's punk, 2)people are entitled to their opinions, and 3)punknews.org overall does an excellent job staying between the extremes of pitchfork and absolutepunk.net.

Terribly off-base review. This shit is still idiotic and derivative. Calling their lyrics not up to par with Plato is one of the vastest understatements in the history of music "journalism."

Also, the word "creativity" should never be applied to this crap. If I was any good at coding I guarantee you I could write a computer program that automatically composes music that sounds exactly like this "sub-subgenre." And it would probably be a lot better.

Certain staff members are rapidly losing their credibility in the way of music criticism as of late.

Actually just The Aggrolites.

The Aggrolites and Against Me! did it first.

The cover art is just as bad as the new Agnostic Front.

Posted by JonDaley on 2007-11-13 00:47:25
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score is for the art work.

Album cover is so bad its funny.

Posted by GlassPipeMurder on 2007-11-13 00:19:47
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Good review Brian. It's certainly new school hardcore, but I can dig it.