With Honor replace vocalist, continue

Contributed by withhonor. Posted by aubin on Friday, February 3, 2006 at 11:59 AM (EST)

Though there were many rumours that the band had split up, Victory Records hardcore act With Honor will be continuing on, albeit in a different form.

The band announced the departure of vocalist Todd Mackey this week, but have already secured a replacement in Scream Out vocalist Kevin "Whitey" White. With White on board, the band has also confirmed that they will maintain all their current touring obligations, including the upcoming tour with Strike Anywhere and A Global Threat which will go on as scheduled.

The band released their Victory debut, This Is Our Revenge last year.

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SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

what a nick name. Anaconda Choke - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com - mine is much better

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

I go by Bone Smoker. But only when I do my Randy "Machoman" Savage voice...Otherwise that name would be totally gay. -Dante

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

oh YEAH! - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

wow. my reply right there is kinda gay to unless its in macho man's voice - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (February 3, 2006)

damn you're not funny

Shindo (adam) (February 3, 2006)

Yeah I've never heard that one before. I'm sure he's fucking thrilled with it. -adam white

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

haha. anyone ever call you adam "whitey McWhitestein" white? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

thirtyseconds (February 3, 2006)

Ha ha. I don't get it

Someone (February 3, 2006)

thats a relief

Guacam0le (February 4, 2006)

R o l a i d s

Someone (February 3, 2006)

are you kidding me? Todd was the frontman, breakup already!! No way will I support this band with Todd gone.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

wow- I bet they're REALLY bummed about that.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

obviously you are since you responded

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

So is it safe to say With Honor has "White Pride"? Aye oh! Seriously though, I'm glad they didn't break up. Victory needs all the good bands they can get. -Dante P.S. Don't scream "Kill Whitey" at their shows now...It's not ironic it's mean?

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

that question mark in your p.s. really brings your post together quite nicely - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

Sometimes I question my feelings. This is when I need Nesquick Chocolate Drink the most. -Dante

die_die_die (February 3, 2006)

This post was brought to you by….. Nesquick

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Should have recruited Shane West or Jeff Penalty.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

... or Jerry Only

Inspection12e (February 3, 2006)

What "honor" is there in kicking someone out of the band?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

He wasn't kicked out.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

the edge went dull

Someone (February 3, 2006)

he wasn't kicked out, he quit

FAST_ED (February 3, 2006)

ha ha ha!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

WHY? O WHY? that's a shame! I really think you shoudln't keep the same name after replacing the singer...

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Did this Todd fellow write the songs? If so, they should definately break-up (see also: Catch 22) But if not, replace the singer and keep going. (see also: Shai Hulud)

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

But if not, replace the singer and keep going. (see also: Shai Hulud) And DK and The Misfits...Talentless frontmen. Seriously, or do what Stone Temple Pilots did. Do a lot of blow and take homoerotic pictures. Wait...I mean recruit a new frontman and write basically the same stuff but use a new name (see also:Talkshow). Or the coke and pictures thing, your call. -Dante

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Didn't they do Talkshow in between albums? I coulda swore 'Four' came out after Talkshow.

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

It did, they did it while Scott was in rehab/jail. They sort of went on without him for a while. He also did 12 Bar Blues during that period. Over all Talkshow was much more popular. However, Velvet Revolver gets Scott the final laugh. -Dante

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Yeah, but how much fun can it be hanging with the sober versions of Slash and Scott?

SkolarX (February 3, 2006)

i once saw pictures of slash with his hair out of his face. that guy makes the ramones look pretty

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

According to the Daily Show scale Slash has 73 JPSI, or Jewiness Per Square Inch. -Dante

Someone (February 3, 2006)

From what I saw in the interview, he wrote the lyrics but not the songs.

Anchors (February 3, 2006)

Chad wrote all the lyrics for Hearts Once Nourished.. but not the songs, but this is really not an issue anyhow unless the singer plays guitar as well. I've only seen Hulud live with Geert, and he was incredible, the footage of Chad live I've seen wasn't too impressive.

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Yeah, Geert was better. People just like to drop Chad's name because its so "cool" and "ironic" that he plays for a shitty pop band now.

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

I don't follow hardcore, what band does Chad play in? -Dante

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

New Found Glory

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

Humba...Rubbla...Shumana...Gerticflibeldy...Humnachabado...WHA!? *Ahem* let me restart myself. As niether a fan of a majority of hardcore or mainstream bands I think it's clear why I didn't know that. However, I have heard Shai Hulud (all post Chad I assume) and the 180 there scares the crap outta me. Guess it beats Hazen St. -Dante

givemeamuseumandillfillit (February 3, 2006)

If you saw them with chad you'd know the deal, he was only 16 and that translated really well, he was pretty perfect for the band during that period. That being said, geert was just too good to be true.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

you are incorrect sir. matt fox wrote all the lyrics for that band always, except when damian moyal (as friends rust) was in the band. he wrote the lyrics to "hardly", off their first seven inch,

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Chad had a FAR better voive than Geert in Shai Hulud. Chad had deep pissed off screams that added a really dark vibe to Shai Hulud. Geert has too high-pitched of a voice and sounded very pre-pubescant in comparison.

jamespastepunk (February 3, 2006)

This fucking blows. What's Todd doing next?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

your mom and then Crooked

Someone (February 3, 2006)

then my mom

Someone (February 3, 2006)

drinking apparently

Someone (February 3, 2006)

idiot

Someone (February 3, 2006)

he's being an idiot apparently

Someone (February 3, 2006)

no hes being awesommmmee - you are being an idoit - Im being infidelllish

Someone (February 3, 2006)

if this true then it sounds like he lost what the honesty the band was about, so it makes sense they should continue

Someone (February 3, 2006)

he should start a band - he will be missed

CrookedSuperhero (February 3, 2006)

Well, the guy changed his voice so much i suppose they could just get a new singer in. Not that hard a voice to replicate either way. Bland.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i'm completely bummed, but I wasn't into the new With Honor sounding just like Strike Anywhere

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

i bet crooked really wanted to know that - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (February 3, 2006)

people who say that WH sound like SA have really no idea what are they talking about...have you even listened to both bands...perhaps if you hear both bands once you can say they sound alike...but I am listening to SA from their beginning and started listening to WH about a year ago and woudl not say they sound the same...yeah so both bands play fast and agressive style - so they sound alike or what!?!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i've listened to Strike Anywhere since their first EP came out and With Honor the same. The new With Honor sounds VERY similar to Strike Anywhere.

Tom1022 (February 3, 2006)

i definetly hear similarities. i think they are two bands that can be compared, though they are clearly not the exact same. with honor is slightly more technical, and strike anywhere is slightly more punk, but i think its a fair comparison.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

uhh no todd in this band... i don't know what to expect. he made with honor if you ask me...this was one of my fav hardcore bands...fuck this sucks

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i agreee - BREAK UP - the lyrics and spirit of this band were TODD -

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i don't know about that... i know alot of people weren't into him

Someone (February 4, 2006)

and the spirit of the band? Come on...some of the lyrics were just generic bullshit...we're so posi... get over...the band chooses to continue...either continue to support them or not... but give it up...Todd wasn't a saint

backupdork (February 3, 2006)

Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

You sure you don't want to hold auditions? -Alex Pappas

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

that ryan heart dude from american idol gets first dibs. back off - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

He's my MySpace friend! Soon I will lure him into my clutches and force him to "sing" for my own ammusement. -Dante

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

hahaha. that guy...oh man...that guy...is that actually how the singer of seinfeld or whatever band sounds? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (February 3, 2006)

they could do an audition show on FUSE, like MTV did for Limp Bizkit and VH1 for INXS. Look at what those shows did for their careers!!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Alex Pappas, it's been too long...

Someone (February 3, 2006)

in more important news, the new P.O.D. record came out last week.

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

I didn't know nu-metal got any worse...until POD came - religious nu-metal. Ugh.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

i heard those douche bags(and i dont like to throw that insult around too often) on love line, you could tell they were trying to downplay their religious thoughts and beliefs, by saying it wasnt an organized religion kind of thing. it was "deeper" and "personal" and then dr. drew would say something like "oh, so a church isnt involved, its more like a personal spiritual thing?" and the guys would answer "no. we go to church every week. but i mean. thats not what really helps our family. its something personal" and he would go on and mumble the most vague bullshit i have ever heard. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com - or maybe he wasnt trying to downplay it, but is actually just one of the worst speakers i have ever heard

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

"i wanna get down on my knees and start pleasing jesus i wanna feel his salvation all over my face!" - cartman

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

that episode was fucking hilarious. - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (February 3, 2006)

being too punk for religion is cool

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Sorry, I don't waste my time hoping my imaginary father in the sky will solve all my problems.

GreatStoryOfApathy (February 4, 2006)

Actually, he's not just in the sky. He's everywhere. Duhh!

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

not being religious or not having a religion is being too punk for one now? i'm pretty sure there were athiests and agnostics before punk music. like, in the 1930's when people first stop believing in god - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Someone (February 3, 2006)

nothing to do with the statement above, but thanks

Someone (February 3, 2006)

wow. you can't read then

Someone (February 3, 2006)

wow!!

FuckYouOiOiOi (February 3, 2006)

religion is bullshit. i believe in god though.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

does anybody know why this happened? i didn't see this coming at all.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

todd quit -- i heard it was a long time coming, he moved outta state and broke edge a while ago

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Posted on a board this past week: sent to an exec who sent it to some kid. from todd: Yo, Thank you for opening this, I know all of you guys are more than busy, and I will not keep you long here. As some of you already know I have decided to leave with honor. I have a million reasons that are unnecessary to get into and would be self-defeating to bring to any light anyway, so I won't. I don't have anything to hide, I just wanted to thank you for everything you did with the band while I was with. Thank you for being great, real people. Thank you for taking risks on us and giving us a chance to make a little something more of our music. I saw things and did more than I would ever have thought possible when this began. So in whatever comes next, I wish you guys all the best and success. I am hoping beyong hope that we get some moments as special as these hav

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Someone (February 3, 2006)

apparently he's an idiot and banging moms

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

name one label worse than victory

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Polyvinyl

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

i'll take your word on that....

Anchors (February 3, 2006)

Hahaha, not a chance.

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

I can't think of a single band on that label I can stomach.

VitusTinnitus (February 3, 2006)

I'm a huge fan of Owen and American Football. They also had Braid, which I'm not a big fan of, but it seems a whole truckload of people like them on this site. by the way, any word on the HWM video?

David_Arquette (February 3, 2006)

Between Braid, all the Kinsella brothers stuff, the J. Robbins stuff, etc. it's one of the best labels around. Still not up there with Fat, Asian Man, No Idea, or Jade Tree, of course.

David_Arquette (February 3, 2006)

My bad. J. Robbins has most of his stuff on DeSoto.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Drive Thru

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

nope

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Drive Thru is by far a worse label than Victory.

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

Yes. Drive Thru has 1, maybe 2 good bands. Victory has With Honor, Comeback Kid, Darkest Hour, Madcap, Streetlight Manifesto, The Tossers and A Perfect Murder.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

hahahaha madcap, come on now!

CrookedSuperhero (February 3, 2006)

All the bands listed suck. Actually, SM and the Tossers are alright. Well, not the Victory Tossers album.

iconoclast (February 3, 2006)

i think trustkill is right up there with victory in terms of consistently churning out a bunch of shit. victory did release snapcase dont forget. or maybe you didnt forget that and just dont like snapcase either.

AlmostPunkEnough (February 3, 2006)

yup, Trustkill was my choice too.

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

Eyeball, but that's a personal reason.. They may be an awesome label. -Dante

Someone (February 3, 2006)

any label that puts out hipster indie music

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

French Kiss? Sold!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

yes! keep them coming

die_die_die (February 3, 2006)

Island...

Anchors (February 3, 2006)

Uh, Fueled By Ramen, easily.

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

absolutepunk records just wait for it - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

AlmostPunkEnough (February 3, 2006)

i can't even imagine how awful that will be.... and you know it will be an incubator for the majors.

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

okay guys, you've all come up with some pretty good examples....but i think we're forgetting about aiden, silverstein, hawthorne heights, atreyu, taking back sunday, straylight run, etc.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Fat, Epitaph, Nitro, Fearless, Drive Thru, Vagrant, and I'm sure i can list many more if I had time... It is true Victory has shitty policies with their bands, and they do have a handful of god-awful bands (ie: Aiden and Hawthorn Heights), but the bands they haave that are good are some of the best out there. Lastly, With Honor's last album was a bit of a disappointment. They stopped being hardcore and went more pop-punk in a Rise Against kind of way. Maybe the new vocalist will help bring their edge back.

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

go be gay in the corner

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i agree with your last sentence, but that is all. godfather = gay

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

fuck you

AlmostPunkEnough (February 3, 2006)

oh man, you equal gay. that's such a burn.

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

looks like i've made another "anon-enemy" ROFL

CrookedSuperhero (February 3, 2006)

Second worst poster.

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

i liked it more when i was called worst poster....i guess second worst is okay too

thirtyseconds (February 3, 2006)

And the worst is...

CrookedSuperhero (February 3, 2006)

After the Clit 45 incident, Fuckyouoioioioi will never be overthrown.

thirtyseconds (February 3, 2006)

Shit. I missed that. I'm still hurting from the laughter

Someone (February 3, 2006)

losers

Someone (February 3, 2006)

ROFL!!!!

Godfather (February 3, 2006)

actually, the answer we were looking for was carbon copy records....and i don't even think they've signed a band yet

die_die_die (February 3, 2006)

punknews.....Kidding!.

UncleFunkyPants (February 3, 2006)

militia group

die_die_die (February 3, 2006)

Every time I see a news post about this band all I remember is Chicken: Yeah we’re hoping. I think we’re a little different type though. A lot of the hardcore out right now is like the tough guy face tattoo, kind of like songs about your honor and oath. Jason: And picking yourself up when you fall down. Everybody’s falling down. Chicken: Yeah, all these hardcore kids are falling down and they all sing songs about how they pick themselves up. Jason: And people are holding them down too. Chicken: They’re holding each other down, and picking each other up and they won’t sacrifice and they all have an honor and a code. Jason: A lot of honor. This is like Braveheart rock.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i don't get it

SteveJonesTheRealBones (February 3, 2006)

thats not really a talking chicken, its a dude named "chicken". does that help? - jones the bones - stevejones8770@yahoo.com

thegetaway (February 3, 2006)

chicken little: "the sky is falling" hxc kid: "no, it's sky came falling

Tom1022 (February 3, 2006)

haha, that was so funny. that reminds me more of comeback kid though. their band description on myspace was basically the exact same as this interview, minus the honor part.

sickboi (chris) (February 3, 2006)

They were fucking hilarious the other night. Chicken is right up there with Bren for bringing the funny to the stage.

Dante3000 (rich) (February 3, 2006)

Did you call for him and Ken to stare off? -Dante "Every punishing bass line I play is dedicated to you. So keep your eyes right here (makes imaginary circle around himself), because there's gonna be a lot of em"

thegetaway (February 3, 2006)

That sucks, I have always wanted to see them play a show. Does anyone know what the new singer sounds like?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

like the singer of bleeding through

Tom1022 (February 3, 2006)

i thought todd was a pretty decent singer. he could sing and scream and blend the two, kind of like thomas from strike anywhere. but i have to admit i think i liked the band more when he screamed more than he sang. i wonder which way they will go with the new singer. i've never heard of scream out, are they good?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Do they have MP3s anywhere to listen?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Saw them open for SOIA at CB's in the fall and they were great. One of the guitarists from With Honor played guitar for them (not sure which brother). Whitey can sing and could definitely handle the With Honor material. They have an EP out and I think a myspace page.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Terror is breaking up next. Thank the lord in heaven above.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

tell me the details. and yes thank God, no one cares about trailer park hardcore anymore. I mean LOOK at those guys in the band, all border line mentally challenged.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

or if you're sickboi, you won't thank the lord above.

P-Fresh (February 3, 2006)

How will Vogel support his coke addiction then?

Someone (February 3, 2006)

haha he can dress in a bunny costume outside of kodak theatre

NailedToTheX (February 3, 2006)

Yeeeeesssss! I cant wait to see this, thinking about following the tour on the East Coast, Whitey White is going to be an awesome adition to WH!!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

lol - shameless whitey supporter...WH is done sadly

dev (February 3, 2006)

With all the Victory shit-talking that usually goes on in here, I'm surprised people actually give a fuck about this band. Are they the exception to the rule? I've never heard em.

Tom1022 (February 3, 2006)

they are good. one of the few exception to the victory rule. check them out.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

yeah, they haven't reached that level of success and sales numbers yet before all the punker than thou posters on here turn their backs

Someone (February 3, 2006)

they also really hated the lable

Someone (February 3, 2006)

they also really hated the label

Someone (February 3, 2006)

they also really hated victory

AlmostPunkEnough (February 3, 2006)

i don't now how i fell about this. i'm gonna give them a chance live hopefully and check out any new stuff they put out, but Todd was one of the best parts of the band. oh well, maybe this guy will somehow be better, though i think a name change wouldn't be a terrible idea. Strike Anywhere/AGT and them will still be sick.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

givemeamuseumandillfillit (February 3, 2006)

all the heart of the lyricist of with honor? that's a shitload of heart!

crazytoledo (February 3, 2006)

God damn I loved this band and this was a great vocalist. Hopefully he resurfaces in another band sometime down the line.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i think he might begin a christian rock project, thats what i'm hearing anyways

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i'm hearing he might start a prog, folkcore band

FAST_ED (February 3, 2006)

That's not very "positive" of them.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

read the post, he quit i dont' think its their fault

Someone (February 3, 2006)

yeah you can read a letter from the dude

FAST_ED (February 6, 2006)

I was making a sacastic joke assholes. Jeessh!

FAST_ED (February 3, 2006)

Buy "this is our revenge" if you havn't already. It slays pretty well. Very well actually.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

I agree actaully I only heard "like Trumphets" but I think it sounds good

Someone (February 3, 2006)

waiting for someone to say the last record was better and then someone to say the ep was better

NailedToTheX (February 3, 2006)

Hey Todd, Sucks things didnt work out, you gotta post something new here if you come out with it. Anything in the works?????

Someone (February 3, 2006)

everything i liked about this band is now gone. and honestly - this is our revenge blows compared to their older stuff. leave sounding like comeback kid to comeback kid.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

" this is our revenge blows compared to their older stuff" WHY??????? WHY GOD DAMN IT????

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i think this is our revenge is pretty good its not the same as the old stuff but still it should be appreciated for what is not rediculed for what is isnt and in my opinon not a single song on the record sounds anything like comeback kid not even remotely close

Someone (February 3, 2006)

last time I saw tham that whitey guy sang like two songs from what i heard it didnt seem too much diffrent. it was fun with todd though he would always go pretty crazy and from my experiences he was a nice dude but I dont think anymore leaving is a reason to not support a band granted they will sound diffrent but there all nice guys and the music is still pretty good I think they all definately deserve a chance

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Right on

TeeBee (February 3, 2006)

where can I hear Scream Out at??????????

Drunken3rd (February 3, 2006)

This band has offically "Jumped the Shark"

Someone (February 3, 2006)

wow, that's to bad, i'm through with this band

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Only one band can do this: BLACK FLAG

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Further Seems Forever!!!

boba_fett (February 3, 2006)

ive never heard of the new guy, but hopefully he has what it takes.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

Mosh dood! Look at the beatdowns brah. http://www.advancepromo.co.uk/gigphotos/06-02-01-mostpre ciousblood/05-Most%20Precious%20Blood%20(52).html people getting kicked in the bollocks IS funny!

Someone (February 3, 2006)

I'm pretty sure that there was more to the band's music than just the vocals, so acting like Todd was the whole band is quite stupid. It sucks a lot that he's gone. He was an awesome dude, but the dude chose to leave the bands of his own free will, so people shouldn't be bitching about them kicking him out. The song I saw them do with the new guy in Long Island last month seemed pretty good, so I have hope that things will still continue to be enjoyable.

Someone (February 3, 2006)

when bands lose a lead singer who writes all of the lyrics, they need to break up or at least go by a different band name

Someone (February 3, 2006)

not always...sometimes they just need to put out a new record, case in point: shai hulud, killswitch engage

Someone (February 3, 2006)

i was there too pretty good times except for first 3 bands ha

NailedToTheX (February 4, 2006)

I dont care, im totally psyched last time i saw Scream Out it was sick!!! It was at CB's and i set it off!!!! This is gonna rule, look for me at the Levittown show, i finally got my SSD sweatshirt from ebay so ill be rockin that shit! Roll Call for the Levittown show!!!!

Someone (February 6, 2006)

this is gay. champion breaks up and now with honor decides to change their amazing singer thats laaame. whats going on with straight edge anyways? does anyone care anymore? thats too sad

Someone (February 17, 2006)

Whitey is hottttttt