Can you give me a bit of history about Enabler?
Enabler started in the summer of 2009, mainly as a project Iíd been working on myself for a long time just with a drum machine and writing songs. Then I had a band called Heartless that I did drums for and after that, I was a hired drummer for a lot of bands and I just got kind of burned out. It became clear that I really wanted to get out of drumming and I really wanted to get back to playing guitar and sing. I had never sang in a band, so I wanted to do something completely new and I had all these songs written, which ended up being our first record. There was a period where nothing was happening with the songs I was writing and as soon as we had our first line-up, it was just all go from there.
Iíve read that youíve had a lot of line-up changes.
Yeah, thatís going to happen when you have someone in a band that writes all the songs. No one has really written anything else, itís all kind of been my ideal. I treat everyone else as a band member, itís not like Ďmyí band, but youíre going to have that when the songs are already pre-written and people come along saying they love the songs and can join, but then have other commitments.
Andy Hurley from Fall Out Boy joined the band for a while and drummed on your newest release, All Hail The Void. Do you think thatís helped Enabler make a bit of a name for itself?
For us, it was like Andy was in Milwaukee, heís a friend, he loved the band, he put out our first record, and we needed a drummer, it kind of made sense. To the outside world, it was like, ďAndy Hurley from Fall Out Boy is in this band?!Ē and then theyíre hearing the band for the first time and thinking he started the band. People see he was in the band and go ďWhat the fuck?Ē They think of Fall Out Boy and they see Enabler, itís a complete different thing. For me, it made sense, because I liked a lot of Andyís previous bands like Racetraitor and Kill The Slavemaster, so when he came back to playing metal, it just made sense to me, because thatís what he listens to.
I think within the DIY crowd, a lot of people ruled us off, because he was in the band and we had to prove ourselves Ė like, yeah, we have some guy from a pop band, but weíre going to kick your ass right now. It attracted new people, but it definitely stirred things up with a lot of people that had already liked the band, like, ďYou guys replaced your drummer with the guy from Fall Out Boy, are you going to start singing now?Ē [laughs] No. He just played the drums and heís really fucking good at it.
You said you were a touring drummer for a while, how did that start?
I was a guitar player first and I could not find drummers to play with, so I bought a drum set, because I knew I could play drums and I just started playing drums and joining bands. Itís funny, because Iíve been in more bands than I can count on my fingers and toes, and I only have writing credits in Enabler and my old band Heartless. Whoever needed a drummer, I was ready to go. I grew up in a small town in Ohio and had nothing to do. I just wanted to get out.
Were you a fan of these bands or did you just join anything?
There were a couple I worked for just because I was bored, but with Trap Them, Today Is The Day, or Shai Hulud, I was a definitely fan of them prior. I remember getting a call from Today Is The Day and I was like, ďFuck yes!Ē Being a songwriter, I understand when playing drums that this is someone elseís creation and youíre adding to that. This person has wrote a song and youíve got to make that song sound the best it possibly can. Youíve got to play a part in a band, a bandís not just about you. In this band, Iím the songwriter and other people play with me, and weíve got to make this carnation sound as good as we can.
Iíve read that half of you are from Milwaukee and half are from Ohio, how does that work?
Iím originally from Ohio, I grew up in Dayton and I moved to Milwaukee five years ago with my girlfriend, who now plays bass for Enabler. We knew Andy and Greg were going to be leaving on the last tour, and we didnít know anyone in Milwaukee that could handle this about of touring. The current guy playing guitar is Eric, who Iíve known for seven years, so Iím really comfortable with him. Itís the same with Dave, whoís now playing drums, heís in the band Mouth of the Architect and Iíve been a huge fan of that band and watching him play drums since I was a little kid.
Do you still do all the writing? Does no one else contribute?
Yeah, itís just the way that itís worked. When the band first started, I had the songs initially written, so it was ready to go and itís just been kind of like that. Iíve never been against people writing for the project, itís just that no one really has. Itís not a dictatorship. Iím not sitting here telling people what to do, itís just that I have this ready to go. If someone thinks part of my song sucks, then what should we do to make this better? Iím not going to be like, ĎNo, this is my fucking song!í If someone has a better idea, Iím all ears.
Were you stoked about Southern Lordís interest in pressing the CD release of All Hail The Void?
Yeah, Southern Lord released the CD and then we had Halo of Flies and Creator-Destructor split the vinyl pressing in the States, and a label called Phobiact released the vinyl in Europe, which actually worked out really well, because we were able to keep the vinyl prices really low, since they were released through DIY labels. Then Southern Lord pressed the CD and they have their distribution. It keeps the punk people into the band, but it also expands into new audiences, since Southern Lord is a big label. Thereís a lot of people who listen to Southern Lord bands just because itís on Southern Lord. Itís a trust-worthy label where you know most of the stuff they put out is going to be quality. I was definitely excited when I got the email; I think it was a day before Christmas. We knew who were doing the vinyl pressing and we wanted CDs out. I know a lot of people are against CDs now, but we sell just as many CDs as we do records. Then Southern Lord got in touch and everything started to line up.
All Hail The Void is still really heavy, but some itís definitely a lot more melodic and accessible Ė was that what you were going for?
I think itís just a natural evolution of songwriting. On Eden Sank To Grief, it was this eight-song explosion, which was pissed about a lot of shit, and that vibe is definitely captured. On this record, itís like, I got all that out and expanded the sound. Adding in the melodies has been a big thing, it gives the record room to breathe, but still has all those intense parts.
Your lyrics still seem really bitter and angry at the world, even your Twitter bio says, ďThe world is fucked and this is the soundtrack to its demise.Ē Where does that aggression come from?
Thatís my political views. Everybodyís fighting for something and things are too far-gone, what more can you do at this point? People arenít going to change their mind. Thereís this obnoxious right-wring Christian side of America and Iím not saying all republicans are bad, but thereís this insane sect of people in America that want everybody to act and be like them, and if youíre not, youíre damned and going to Hell. Itís ingrained in peopleís childhoods and where theyíve grown up - so, fuck it. Iím just going to be pissed about it. Iím not going to try to change these peopleís minds. They donít want to listen.
I got a new job recently and I work with a guy whoís extremely racist, like scary-racist. I kind of forgot how bad it is. Like, this guy is a 50-year-old dude and heís not going to change his mind, thatís how he is. What can you do in that situation? You just have to ignore, heís not going to change his mind. A lot of Americans are stubborn with their views and it doesnít make any sense, but what can you do to change it? The only thing you can do to change it is be yourself and not be like them. This band is my reaction to a lot of what you see on television and how things are here sometimes.
I read an interview with you and you said you donít think All Hail The Void is your best work to date, which I found surprising.
After I did All Hail The Void, I was really burned out. It was almost 20-days of tracking and nearly 3-months of mixing and editing. I think in retrospect, itís a really good record and theyíre things on it that I wasnít most pleased about, like some of the production things, but the thing is, Iím working with a producer, itís not just my vision. The producer also has a vision, who was also the second guitarist at the time, and there were certain things I didnít necessarily agree with, but overall, it came out to be a really cohesive record and itís a good representation of the band and a good stamp of where we were at the time as a band. After that record was done, it really made me appreciate the first record a lot more. The first record really has this intensity to it and this fire that All Hail The Void doesnít have.
They compliment each other really well where All Hail The Void is a lot more controlled, tighter and cleaner. All the things you donít get on All Hail The Void, you get on Eden Sank To Grief and all the things you donít get on Eden Sank To Grief, you get on All Hail The Void. I donít think All Hail The Void is necessarily the best work, but in the time line, itís a very necessary part of the band and Iím looking forward to the future right now.
We just recorded a new EP last month and weíre looking to get that out in February. I had almost 30 songs for this record I had to pick from and thereís a lot of new material that didnít get used, so Iím really giddy about a lot of the new material thatís to come in the next few years. I think some of my best work is best to come. Weíre not going to be that one band that puts out one record then tries to follow it up and not know what to do. The follow up is there already, itís just figuring record labels and when will be realistic to record and put it out, which is fine, because the more time you have to sit on it, the more time you have to make it better, especially with the new guysí input.
With Eric, heís came in as the lead guitarist and itís the first time since we first started that weíve actually had a lead guitarist, where previously Iíve done the leads, even though Iím not a lead guitarist. I worked so hard to write and learn these solos, and theyíre ok, then he steps in and doesnít even try and totally out-shreds me. Iíve always wanted that combo where I handle rhythm and vocals and have someone else whoís the best fucking guitar player ever. Iím really looking forward to see what the guitar work is going to be like on the next record. I think itís going to be completely over the top and blow everybodyís mind. I definitely am happy with All Hail The Void, but Iím looking forward to moving on at the same time.