Media: Mad Caddies: “Distress” (new recording)

Contributed by an Anonymous Source. Posted by john on Wednesday, November 28, 2012 at 12:00 PM (EST)

Mad Caddies have released an updated, reworked version of their song "Distress." The song originally appeared on the band's debut album Quality Softcore in 1998.

You can check out the song here.

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Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

They took out all the ska of the original version, which doesn't only make this re-recording infinitely superior, but means that the song is finally a valid contribution to the medium of music in general.

I've always liked every other musical element of the Caddies; I'll toss in a few bucks for a Kickstarter if they plan to remove all the ska elements from their previous records and make them halfway listenable again.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

They may be poppy, but they're still a ska band. Stop trying to prove a point.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Have you not listened to anything they've released since the '90s? Ska may be one of the elements of their sound, but it's certainly not dominant. It doesn't even take up a significant portion of their live shows. (And that, to me, is what makes a great ska band)

Sliced-T (November 28, 2012)

Zzzzz....

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_Caddies

Read the first line.

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/mad-caddies-mn0000231870

Read the first line.
But I forgot, you know so much more about what qualifies as ska than the professional writers on Allmusic.

Also, this:

chrisss (52 minutes ago)
"Please! Someone argue with me on the internet!! PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE!"

And here I am, giving into your conversational endeavors.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Citing Wikipedia? Plus, AllMusic still claims The Aquabats are an eight-piece ska band. Does that make 'Hi-Five Soup!' the best ska album of 2011? Those horns are so rich!

'Keep It Going' had four ska songs (out of fifteen), 'Just One More' had three (out of fifteen) and 'Rock the Plank' had none. The latter two were dominated by punk and pop-punk, 'Keep It Going' was mostly reggae-influenced, and all three had a fair share of mixed tunes (acoustic, jazzy, sea shanties, etc.). Even their '90s albums are about half ska and half punk/jazz/reggae. If the Mad Caddies are strictly a "ska band", then so is Fishbone and Oingo Boingo.

skolarx (November 28, 2012)

Rock The Plank is my favorite of thier albums by far. The last time I saw them, they were still terrible live (though Rise Against was opening if that says anything about how long ago it was)

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

'Just One More' is my personal favorite. I've seen them twice and I agree, they don't have much of a stage presence. Plus, both times I saw them, their setlist was 90% punk and reggae-rock; I know I was just ragging on their ska material, but I'd much rather hear their ska, Dixieland and more experimental stuff live than that.

skolarx (November 28, 2012)

I think they were just too drunk the times I saw them

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Nobody ever said they were strictly a ska band. Have you heard the Suicide Machines' 2006 album? It had more hardcore songs than ska songs. Yet the band, their fans, and music critics all consider them to be a ska-punk band. It sounds like you want every ska band to just suck all the variety right out of its music. Give some mahfuckas a chance to mature and evolve!

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Your comment is in direct contradiction to everything you've said in this thread. I'd like you to count to ten, go lie down, take a brief nap, then come back here and we can discuss matters properly.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Um, no. I stand by my statement that the Mad Caddies are a ska band. And like every modern ska band, they are influenced by a variety of styles. Like the Suicide Machines, their music has evolved over time, departing further and further from being strictly ska. However, their fan base remains mostly ska fans, and their music is still influenced by ska.

I will take part of your advice, though, and dip for a little bit so I can pretend to do some work.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Interesting how you chose to make that point by trying not at all to make anything resembling that point.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

http://www.allmusic.com/artist/the-aquabats-mn0000034088

Read the first line. But, you know, obviously those professionals at Allmusic are really on top of their game, so maybe I'm wrong.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Obviously, the Aquabats write-up is not up to date. At this point, the Aquabats are neither ska, nor an eight-piece.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

That's the point, Eddie Money. AllMusic is not exactly a website I trust when it comes to music criticism. But, if you're still sticking behind their supposed infallibility, the 'Just One More' review has a couple of enlightening lines: http://goo.gl/xOsYY.
Likewise, I like that you tell me to pay attention to the first line of the Wikipedia article, but completely ignore the second and most important one, as well as the second line in the 'Just One More' article (http://goo.gl/s4yP3) or the bajillion genres listed for the 'Keep It Going' article (http://goo.gl/Klbnu).

Conclusion: if you were trying to convince me that the Caddies are 100% a ska band, you failed miserably. If you were trying to reinforce MY statement that, quote, "Ska may be one of the elements of their sound, but it's certainly not dominant.", then you succeeded.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

"Nobody ever said they were strictly a ska band." Read what I write before you try to refute it.

As for the Wiki article, I assume you meant the third line, not the second. So let me repeat myself: no band is 100% a single genre. That would be boring as fuck. Like the Wikipedia article says, the Mad Caddies have been influenced by a variety of genres. As has every other band. Nobody wants to listen to the same exact thing over and over again. Except Skibz, apparently.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Your hissy fit was in response to this:

"Have you not listened to anything they've released since the '90s? Ska may be one of the elements of their sound, but it's certainly not dominant. It doesn't even take up a significant portion of their live shows."

Then you provided me with links labeling the Caddies as a "ska punk" band. Then I refuted them, and now you're trying to backpedal by repeating things I've already said and making up a few new ones along the way. I'm not offended, I mean, I come here every day to converse with the intellectually disabled, but just at least stand by your convictions.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Dude, you're crazy. I mean, we already knew that. But you're the one who isn't responding to my points. Instead, you try to insult me (hissy fit, moron, intellectually disabled, etc.) and then make another point that's usually not related to the post you're supposedly responding to. Or, increasingly, you do what I'm doing here: that is, insult my style of arguing rather than responding to my points. When I made an analogy to the Suicide Machines, you told me to lie down. When I brought up the analogy again, you said, "Interesting how you chose to make that point by trying not at all to make anything resembling that point" (evidence, to me, that you either didn't understand my point, or chose to ignore it because it made too much sense). When I corrected your comment about the Wiki article, you accused me of having a hissy fit. So, instead of continuing to critique each other's arguing style instead having an actual discussin, let me sum things up for you.

You're saying that a ska band has to play nothing but strictly ska music to be considered a ska band. I'm saying that there's a lot more to it than that. Bands evolve, their sound changes, even the genre itself changes. Beyond that, the way a band's sound is perceived in the eyes of the public is also affected by the band's fanbase, its label, its tour mates, its instrumentation, etc. Now, I'm gonna use caps lock here, because this next part's important: WE DISAGREE FUNDAMENTALLY ON WHAT DETERMINES A BAND'S GENRE. You determine a band's genre based on its most recent output, apparently on a song by song basis. I determine a band's genre by its entire career. Is one of our views inherently better than the other? Yeah, mine.

Kidding. As the innumerable genre arguments on this website suggest, genre is a matter of opinion. We could continue pointlessly arguing but, to quote the hated Reel Big Fish, "it's a waste of time. We can't change our opinions." So feel free to continue to insult me, but let me ask you this: if I'm so intellectually disabled, how did I go to an acclaimed private school and graduate with honors? If I know so little about ska, how did I play in three ska bands, one of which played shows with and received compliments from the likes of Bomb the Music Industry! and I Voted for Kodos? If I'm having a hissy fit, why do I continue to post level-headed, thought-out comments while you deviate further from responding to the subject matter of my posts? I'd like to hold on to my prior belief that the Skibz does have slightly more integrity than the people here give him credit for. So if you'd like to go back to having an actual discussion, you can respond the the substantive portion of this post that actually contributes to our discussion (admittedly, a fairly small portion: pretty much just the second paragraph). Or respond to some of my earlier posts with actual discussion points instead of trying to write them off. But again, feel free to post something snarky or accuse me of having no life or caring too much about an online discussion. Do whatever you need to do to feel like you got the upper hand.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

TL;DR. Let's dissect our discussion:

Skibz777 (5 hours ago)
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They took out all the ska of the original version, which doesn't only make this re-recording infinitely superior, but means that the song is finally a valid contribution to the medium of music in general.

I've always liked EVERY OTHER MUSICAL ELEMENT of the Caddies; I'll toss in a few bucks for a Kickstarter if they plan to remove all the ska elements from their previous records and make them halfway listenable again.
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****Translation: the first paragraph is a simple reference to my known hatred of ska music. Okay, I can dig it. The second part, I'm basically saying I like every musical element of the Caddies except ska. Pretty straightforward.)****

davebrave4 (5 hours ago)
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They may be poppy, but they're still a ska band. Stop trying to prove a point.
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****OOH, TIME OUT: Don't recall any moment where I said ANYTHING about what genre they are, only that I don't like their ska stuff. Swing and a miss.****

Skibz777 (5 hours ago)
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Have you not listened to anything they've released since the '90s? SKA MAY BE ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THEIR SOUND, but it's certainly NOT DOMINANT. It doesn't even take up a significant portion of their live shows. (And that, to me, is what makes a great ska band)
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****More straightforward speak: Despite having said nothing about what genre they were before, I'll play along. I clearly state that ska is one of the components of their sound, but not wholly so. Ended it with yet another trademark potshot at the genre. Classic Skibz.****

davebrave4 (3 hours ago)
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Read the first line.
("The Mad Caddies (or the Caddies) are a ska punk band from Solvang, California.")

Read the first line.
("Santa Barbara's softcore ska-punkers Mad Caddies have been rollicking as a solid seven-piece since late summer 1995, but their musical origin dates back to the mid-'80s.")
But I forgot, you know so much more about what qualifies as ska than the professional writers on Allmusic.
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****Last part omitted. So, you said "they're still a ska band", I refuted that, and then you offered two links which state they're a "ska punk" band, complete with a condescending comment about how AllMusic's outdated entries (Caddies are currently a six-piece not counting their touring keyboardist) are somehow professional opinions.

So...your two basic links to Wikipedia and AllMusic, written in response to "Ska may be one of the elements of their sound, but it's certainly not dominant", written in response to "They may be poppy, but they're still a ska band.", written in response to a post that makes absolutely no reference to what I consider the band's genre to be.....is in fact:
"They are influenced by a variety of styles. Like the Suicide Machines, their music has evolved over time, departing further and further from being strictly ska."
...with overtones of...
"It sounds like you want every ska band to just suck all the variety right out of its music"
...which was posted in the same thread where I wrote...
"It's their genre-bending experimentalism which gives them a far greater upper hand over stagnant '90s leftovers like Reel Big Fish."

Just want to make sure I'm completely straight on your side of the argument before you change it again. :)

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Well, I can see you've decided to keep trying to show that I've been contradicting myself (I haven't) instead of debating my point: that a band's genre is determined by more than horns and upstrokes. You've also compromised your own integrity by using quotations as biased and as out of context as possible. You still haven't responded to my Suicide Machines analogy. You still haven't acknowledged that you quoted the wrong line of an article. You even consciously omitted the part where I quoted another Punknews user who basically said that you'll grasp at any and all straws you possibly can in hopes of starting and maintaining an argument. I could point to a number of other users in a number of different articles who have said pretty much the same thing in the brief interval since we started this thread. I said that the Caddies are a ska band. I also said that the Caddies and other ska bands incorporate a variety of non-ska elements into their music. I then spent the rest of our discussion expaining why this is not a contradiction. You spent the rest of our discussion pointing out this alleged contradicition in as many ways and places as possible, trying each time to frame it as me changing my opinion.

As you can see, I've given up on trying to debate you, since you continually refuse to respond with anything of substance. So instead, I'm going to go home, where I don't allow myself the indulgence of the internet, and will instead interact face-to-face with a variety of friends and acquaintances with whom I can have actual discussions without them ignoring my points and focusing instead on my semantics. Have fun continuing to post so you can feel like you've "won" our debate (even after I pointed out your desire for the "upper hand," you ended your next post by trying to make me look foolish) and making your internet persona as grating and obnoxious as possible. I won't lie, it's given me a few laughs in the past, although those times are far outweighed by the times I felt embarassed for you (sorry, that was kinda douchey).

P.S. I fucking LOVE cartoons.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

So basically, the entire fucking argument was just:

Julian: "The Mad Caddies aren't a ska band."
davebrave4: "Yes they are."

Dammit, I wasted too much time on your bullshit. The worst part is that this isn't even my own argument; your original post had absolutely NOTHING do to with my original post. You were just trying to antagonize me, weren't you? I'd expect this kind of thing from sketchyjoe or spoon_of_grimbo, but not you.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

I did pick up one core piece of your argument, that "...their fan base remains mostly ska fans, and their music is still influenced by ska", which in your eyes justifies the label of "ska band". I heartily disagree. After all, can't you say the same thing about The Aquabats? They still have a lot of ska-based fans and a couple of ska riffs found their way into even their newest albums and TV show. Yet when I pointed out that the media still labels them as a "ska band", you vehemently disagreed. The Caddies may flaunt more of a ska influence, but would you not draw a parallel between the two groups' evolution out of their original genre labels?

With ska taking up a mere fraction of the Caddies' contemporary output, I think it's wholly fair to say they've transcended the label of "ska band". The only problem, of course, is that it's difficult to accurately describe their music. To that extent, "ska punk" is somewhat close, but not entirely correct, no more than - again - calling Fishbone a "ska punk" band.

NotSteven (November 28, 2012)

Jesus, little did you know Skibz actually does know more about ska than the professional writers at AllMusic, mostly because most rock n' roll writers (the worst kind of sleaze) don't know much about ska, and put minimal effort into ascertaining what defines the genre when they're asked to review a record purported as ska, hence why No Doubt is still mentioned in every ska article, though maybe they have like... five ska songs. Possibly. I've just listened to iTunes samples from their early albums to see if I can hear any semblance of that element. And, yeah. A few songs with a bit of 90s faux reggae, some horns... that's it. And don't come back at me trying to point out some hypocrisy I have regarding my minimal effort to research No Doubt's sound despite bringing them up as an example of what ska isn't. Someone else who's heard the entirety of the first two records can back me up on this.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Have you ever heard of a sub-genre? Mad Caddies, Dance Hall Crasher, and old No Doubt are all part of the same sub-genre of ska. Ska-punk is a sub-genre of ska music. And, whether you like it or not, ska pop is also a sub-genre of ska music. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean that a ska pop band is any less influenced by ska music than a ska punk band. Which I believe Skibz also hates.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

FINALLY, I get to use this...I've been waiting for so long: http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j120/Skibz777/Me/Moron.jpg

T here's a difference between ska-punk and punk. And Dixieland. And reggae. And acoustic rock. And sea shanties. "Ska-punk" is not an all-encapsulating term which means that if a band is grounded in ska-punk, it makes literally EVERYTHING THEY PLAY "ska-punk" by definition. To paraphrase something I said earlier, if the Mad Caddies are strictly a "ska-punk" band, then so is Fishbone and Mr. Bungle.

strumz (November 28, 2012)

does one differentiate ska-punk and ska-core? just wondering

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

In California, they do. There's a huge Latin skacore scene which is nearly completely separate from the regular ska scene. From what little I've heard, it doesn't seem to be as much rooted in hardcore as it is just very fast, very punky ska with Latin influences and sung in Spanish.

strumz (November 28, 2012)

(o__0)

eazyd2 (November 28, 2012)

not that i give a fuck about your nerd argument but im prob with that retard skib on this one. caddies arent a.ska band.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

They're no more so a proper "ska band" as would be The Police, Sublime, etc. It's their genre-bending experimentalism which gives them a far greater upper hand over stagnant '90s leftovers like Reel Big Fish.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

For God's sake, people! All I intended to do was post a snarky comment deriding ska music, as is my usual MO with nearly EVERY ska story. Maybe I'd post a few responses talking about Caddies albums with other fans, but I certainly didn't expect it to spiral into....into ^THIS^. You have only yourselves to blame. If you see the fuse is lit, just walk the heck away from the dynamite, don't pick it up and stick it in your mouth. >:[

And what about Chuck Robertson?! What if HE sees this thread?! Poor kid will probably blow his brains out. Jeez Louise.

FelixT (November 28, 2012)

Dude, you really have time to waste... That argument took what... 2 hours of your time? Wow.

skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Wow, I spent two hours on the internet. Clearly I'm a maSter nerd.

FelixT (November 29, 2012)

Never said you were a nerd. I spend way more time than that on the net per day and I don't consider myself to be a nerd. I was just saying that you could have done something so much more productive if you were gonna stay 2 hours on the net anyway. Like watching porn. Or even better yet, watching the video of a monkey raping a frog for the 10 000th time on Youtube (don't act like you didn't).

Skibz777 (November 29, 2012)

Yes, because I was totally just staring at and refreshing a single screen for two hours straight. On my desktop, PunkNews serves only as a distraction from other projects I'm working on, as it almost never requires the effort and concentration needed to carry a normal human discussion: I just shout and scream with stream-of-consciousness abandon to alleviate the tedium of my dull white-collar lifestyle. -_-

Speaking of white bread honkeys, the Skibz is in the midst of converting to Protestantism, so porn is out of the question. If I want to get really risque with my time, I'll watch 'Yentl', thank you very much.

wentz_equals_death (November 28, 2012)

the bandcamp page says it came out in 1997. who's right? band or punknews?

Sliced-T (November 28, 2012)

1997 on Allmusic.

likeaparasite (November 28, 2012)

I've always found this song gloomy. In high school, I once played it for a guy who was into jazz (and I'm pretty sure not very familiar with ska or punk rock), and his reaction was to say, "This is so happy!".

I was really surprised by his response, and it made me wonder, "Do you people just automatically think ska or ska-influenced stuff always sounds happy? Am I the only one whose interpretation of whether a song is happy or sad depends first and foremost on the lyrics?". To me, this song never came across as anything but downbeat and I imagined everyone else would see it the same way because of its lyrics (even with horns present).

But now Mad Caddies have shown that this song can be an 100% fun party song, without even changing the lyrics. I never imagined this could be like one of their riotous mosh pit-ready songs, but here it is as just that. It's been turned into a spiritual cousin to "Road Rash". Fascinating.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

Yes to the second paragraph. Ska is inherently stigmatized in that way; even when a song is composed in minor chords, it's still centered on a dance beat and that has unfortunately positive connotations with most people.

Ours is a very superficial culture. We don't really pay attention to what's under the surface, we just take it at face value with little thought or concern. Just the other day I stumbled across some well-intentioned jackass talking about how ska was a genre that "promotes optimism" and all I could think about was the many Jamaican songs about ghetto life, the grim sociopolitical commentary of Thatcher-era 2-Tone and the rampant Gen-X cynicism of '90s ska-punk. They just don't get it; they only want escapism, even if they have to project it.

badbrain (November 28, 2012)

It sounds so exhausting to be you

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

Haha, I think the same exact same thing when he posts.

seth_uber_alles (November 28, 2012)

me three

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

I have to admit, I have no idea what that means. But then again, I did go to Catholic school.

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

It means you pedantically over-state something, until it makes you appear as if you're a completely joyless human being. You obsessively and redundantly find a reason to argue about everything and anything. Like he said, it must be incredibly exhausting to be you.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

That's what I figured, but why is it in response to that particular comment? Firstly, it's in complete agreement to the post I was responding to, and secondly, there's nothing specifically Skibzian about my cynicism...you'd disagree that American pop culture is materialistic and we tend to perceive it in such a way?

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

No, I don't disagree. Skibz on, you crazy unicorn... or whatever..

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

People on this website can't even insult me properly. Well, at least I can commend you for the effort...you're a step above MN_DrNick in that you're not just posting random YouTube links and .JPG pictures.

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

I wasn't intending to insult you. I was just making an observation. I used to think you were clearly insane, but now I've grown fond of said insanity.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

I'm not *insane*, I'm opinionated, and often outspoken. You know who else was opinionated and outspoken? Jesus Christ. So shut up.

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

Jesus also didn't have any strong opinions about the classification of ska bands.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

But I think we'd both agree he'd still hate Five Iron Frenzy.

Look, it's not that complicated. This is a ska song: http://goo.gl/v4sSC . This is NOT a ska song: http://goo.gl/DtUiW . And neither is this: http://goo.gl/IuIRp . When the Caddies have more songs like the latter two than the former, it's not that "insane" of a stretch to say that they're not strictly a "ska band", but a band that includes ska as one of many different influences. It's easier to call them a "ska band" than a "ska/punk/jazz/reggae/whatever band", but nobody will say that accurately defines them.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Hah! I know I said I was gonna dip, but this is too funny. Without my involvement, you're finally responding to our central argument about whether having more non-ska songs than ska songs makes a band stop being a ska band. Priceless. Alright now I'm out for real. Be easy.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

It does. Mad Caddies aren't a ska band.

strumz (November 28, 2012)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=exhausting

rel ated: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=exhausted and http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=exhaust

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

I clicked on the first link, and the definition it gave me was "Interesting and hopelessly addicting" with the example being "Robby is so exhausting! I can't stop talking to him and I'm sexually attracted to him."

Replace "Robby" with "Skibz" and you're sending me really mixed signals.

NotSteven (November 28, 2012)

The Specials and The Hotknives have convinced me that there's absolutely no reason to be happy if you live in the UK. Especially the latter group. Really bleak stuff.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

The Hotknives are one of my favourite ska ensembles, though I could say the same about anyone from the late-'80s UK boom. That's the only era of ska which is safe from my acerbic cynicism.

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

I know what you mean. I guess I'm the opposite, though; because for me, the music determines whether a song is happy- or sad-sounding moreso than the lyrics. Take, for example, Reel Big Fish. Their lyrics are grim, cynical, and depressing, but they juxtapose these lyrics with upbeat, happy-sounding music. This irony is part of what makes the band so funny and successful.

Either way, it makes sense for your friend to think the song is happy. It's his first listen, so unless he's paying very close attention to the lyrics, he probably doesn't know what the song is about. And since he's into jazz, he was probably listening more to the music itself than to the lyrics.

wentz_equals_death (November 28, 2012)

farts are jazz to assholes

strumz (November 28, 2012)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxHXbp3gBvs jazz it up!

davebrave4 (November 28, 2012)

Good fucking song.

jeanbeartheimmasulator (November 28, 2012)

They need to hurry up and release a new cd already...

Tudor (November 28, 2012)

I second this, their last album was really underrated in my opinion.

Skibz777 (November 28, 2012)

That's because it had the Cherry Poppin' Daddies on it, duh. It was too reggae-oriented for my tastes, though.

Weirdly enough, I really dug Ellwood's debut through and through. They were promising five albums in five years, but I'm starting to think they're not going to live up to that quota. I wouldn't mind another batch of pogs from those pollywogs.

jeffernator (November 28, 2012)

I saw them live with the Mad Caddies and liked what I heard. But then I went to their myspace and didn't like it as much. Still a solid band though.