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The Ataris: So Long, AstoriaSo Long, Astoria (2003)
Sony Music Entertainment

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Contributed by: Brenton Kenkel
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After the Ataris signed to the big-name Columbia label (home to Aerosmith, John Mayer and Will Smith), many fans of the band wondered how the signing would affect the band's future. Unfortunately, So Long, Astoria is defined by its own overproduction and abandonment of any remaining punk ideals. .

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After the Ataris signed to the big-name Columbia label (home to Aerosmith, John Mayer and Will Smith), many fans of the band wondered how the signing would affect the band's future. Unfortunately, So Long, Astoria is defined by its own overproduction and abandonment of any remaining punk ideals.

First, let me make it clear that So Long, Astoria is not a bad album. The melodies are catchy, and the lyrics aren't too bad, especially compared to those of other mainstream pop-punkers (if one can even give them that much credit) like Alien Ant Farm and blink-182. It wasn't a bad deal for six bucks, and eleven wouldn't be asking too much. But early (especially pre-End is Forever) fans will be disappointed in the change in style and production.

It's immediately clear that Kris Roe turned down the "punk" and blasted the "pop" in his recent songwriting. "In This Diary" first rips off the intro of NOFX's "Drop the World" and then launches into a preachy, probably fabricated rendition of Roe's childhood. It's a wonderfully crafted made-for-radio hit. "Summer '79" sounds tired and forced; the lyric "Let's create anthems of our own tonight" is especially ironic since the song is one of the Ataris' least original.

So Long, Astoria is also full of t-shirt-ready soundbites. "Life is only as good as the memories we make," Roe declares on the title track. It seems more condescending than insightful, and it sounds like the band has assumed its audience has lost five years of age since End is Forever (which might be a correct assumption if the major label thing works out the way they want it to). "Appreciate the good times, but don't take the worst for granted / 'Cause you only get so many second chances," Roe says in "Eight of Nine." Maybe he just didn't know how to end the song, so he plagiarized from a book of "inspirational" phrases. Or maybe he's just running out of things to say.

The coup de grace, however, is in "In This Diary": "Being grown up isn't half as fun as fun as growing up / These are the best days of our lives." Although it's probably not a bad idea to assume that most people picking up the Ataris at this point are 13 years old, lyrics like these are insulting to older veteran fans.

The general "growing up" theme seems confused considering that Anywhere But Here covered it to a far superior extent. Unlike So Long, Astoria, it was sincere and didn't seem like a condescending attempt to cater to a young teenage audience. And of course, there are other factors that affect the album as a whole: Kris Roe's vocal style has changed (at times he sounds like Johnny Rzeznik trying to be Dave Grohl), many riffs are "borrowed" from previous albums, and the musical tracks are layered ad nauseam. But these mean little in the face of the condescension and staleness of the tracks.

And on a personal note, the new version of "I Won't Spend Another Night Alone" -- my favorite Ataris song -- is an insult to the original. If some other band had done this album, it would be getting a better score. I admit that the Ataris have never been "pure" punk by any means, but the inferiority of So Long, Astoria compared to any of the past Ataris albums or recordings (especially the pre-remix Anywhere But Here and Blue Skies, Broken Hearts, Next 12 Exits) indicates that Kris Roe and company are either burning out or selling out.

 

 
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13rittk (February 4, 2006)

I love the ataris, but i felt most songs on this album sounded waaay too much alike. howver alomost every song would get stuck in my head for likke 2 weeks. Recommended songs: Boys of Summer, in this diary

Anonymous (July 7, 2005)

I liked this album. They may not be punk, but whos to say thats all bad.

Anonymous (June 26, 2004)

The sound of a man choking on corperate cock

Anonymous (November 8, 2003)

dude u guys dont know what ur missing . and for all u guys who say the ataris suck and its not worth it and all that junk you must be on something because the ataris are one of the greatest bands out there and u kid that said ur a toys r us kid grow up and listen to the words it says that these are the best days of our lives think stupid hes saying its fun to grow up so do that!

Anonymous (October 22, 2003)

What is it with people using the insult that something "isn't punk?" Ever since "Blue Skies," I've been a huge Ataris fan, and their sound has changed through every album they have produced. And holy shit, how are they supposed to make any money if they don't sign to a more mainstream label? i loved the album, and for those of you who don't think it is "punk" enough, maybe you should keep listening to those Goo Goo Dolls you seem to love so much!

Anonymous (August 3, 2003)

For that SHIT!! kid down there... what the fuck?

Because he looks different changes things? Fuck off. And grow up, no pun intended.

Anonymous (May 14, 2003)

roe has almost always borrowed things from time to time. "don't ever tell anyone anything, or else you'll wind up missing every body"...the catcher and the rye anybody?

Anonymous (March 16, 2003)

I randomly bought "anywhere but here" about 3 years ago, and only listened to it once before banishing it to the trunk of my car. Easily the most embarrasing CD I own. What the fuck was I thinking?

Anonymous (March 16, 2003)

SHIT!!!
Before u get pissed, I am an ATARIS fan, but this does not resemble an ATARIS effort. Let's face it, Kris lost a few pounds and grew his hair shaggy, big deal. This is a far cry from previous efforts from this otherwise stellar band. Do not waste the loot guys.

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

Give it up, you people are as hung up on record labels, as a cheerleader on the label on the back of her jeans. As for the punk thing, "PUNK" is a stupid dead word, now don't get you panties in a bunch I said the word, not actual punk. The word has been Hi-jacked by Carson Daly. Obviously the album is different, if they made an album that sounded like "Blue Skies" you'd whine and complain that they made the same album twice. I think the album is great, its just different than previous albums and I bet the next one will be different than "so long, Astoria." I don't believe they ever said they were reinventing the wheel, It's Rock 'N" Roll, maybe you've heard of it. So just quit being sad Bastards.

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

Give it up, you people are as hung up on record labels, as a cheerleader on the label on the back of her jeans. As for the punk thing, "PUNK" is a stupid dead word, now don't get you panties in a bunch I said the word, not actual punk. The word has been Hi-jacked by Carson Daly. Obviously the album is different, if they made an album that sounded like "Blue Skies" you'd whine and complain that they made the same album twice. I think the album is great, its just different than previous albums and I bet the next one will be different than "so long, Astoria." I don't believe they ever said they were reinventing the wheel, It's Rock 'N" Roll, maybe you've heard of it. So just quit being sad Bastards.

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

I really like "End is Forever", and I love "Anywhere but Here". It's weird, everyone else loves "Blue Skies...", but I think it sucks.This album is a natural progression for a band like the ataris, and I'm happy for them getting signed to a major. It just sucks that instead of hanging out at the bar with the band after shows, now there's a sea of 15 year old girls.

I miss the days of the 22 year old girls...

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

Its simple, the music grew up, he didn't.

Fuck you poser-ass "punk"

Anonymous (March 14, 2003)

I seriously think this is a great album, and a great band. Any of you who say you used to be a fan but ever since the album End Is Forever came out you haven't liked them, you're not nor ever was a fan. If you were a fan you would stick by the band cuz every band goes through changes. Just because you don't like the fact that The Ataris signed to a major company, doesn't mean the band sucks! You also wouldn't stop listening because they're "sellouts". Stay true to the music. If anyone has a problem, go ahead and e-mail me punkrokstacey@yahoo.com

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

well it's funny how i used to read all kinds of comments about how the ataris would one day be big and here they are, big. unfortunately by trying to get big they killed their sound.
they killed their sound? i read a whole bunch of people saying that they have improved their sound, they got rid of all the extra distortion and cleaned it up. personnaly i prefer recordings that have the extra hiss and not perfectly clean.old school is cool like that.
people say the ataris never were punk. if they weren't how come they are on every punk site you go to? how come at their shows it used to be punks there (now it's little 12 year old girls)? in my opinion they were as punk as any of todays punk bands are punk. but now they are just sellouts. i'll still listen to their old stuff but none of their futur productions unless they re-sign with an indie label.
people are always questioning a bands "punkness" saying that they aren't punk or whatever. what makes punk then? punk isn't only political songs. that much is for sure.
you people all make fun of street punks saying they aren't punk and they are really just losers. they are who punk was originally made for and by. don't diss them.
if you hate what punk is today then go listen to the old stuff, some would say the real stuff. i would agree. but in the words of liam linch: WHATEVER!

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

This album has not left my discman since i bought it 5 days ago. I love it. All of you "hardcore punkers" need to go review hardcore punker CDS. Im really sick of everyone on this site knocking bands. You all need to get lives.

StratManX (March 13, 2003)

Is it just me or is the song "In This Diary" alot like the Toys R Us Song? "I don't wanna grow up i'm a toys r us kid..."

What do I think of The Ataris, pure garbage then, pure garbage now.

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

dude wears plugs with hearts on them in his ears.

nuff said.

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

' Band like this one really make me hate music. '

Word.

-501

FortyMinutesWest (March 13, 2003)

In Soviet Russia, books read you.

The_Killings (March 13, 2003)

"Ok i got something to say about punk rock.They had a lot of good bands and they just want to have some evolution i their music so they signed on major label.It's our role to let all the prejudice behind and listen carefully and honestly so long astoria is one of the best cd i ever heard after a couples of listening session and read carefully the lyrics they are amazing and yes i am a very big fans of bands like millencolin,mxpx,thursday but i also really like nofx and bad religion."

But what do the ataris have to do with punk rock? As long as I can remember, they've been watered down mall-pop.

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

Band like this one really make me hate music.

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

Ok i got something to say about punk rock.They had a lot of good bands and they just want to have some evolution i their music so they signed on major label.It's our role to let all the prejudice behind and listen carefully and honestly so long astoria is one of the best cd i ever heard after a couples of listening session and read carefully the lyrics they are amazing and yes i am a very big fans of bands like millencolin,mxpx,thursday but i also really like nofx and bad religion.

ElVaquero (March 13, 2003)

And the world let out a resounding "meh.."

Anonymous (March 13, 2003)

I agree. This album is disappointing. They lost me on End is Forever. Roe's lyrics never quite made it past middle school. At least for me...I grew up. Jam Anywhere But Hereand Blue Skies to hear this band at it's peak. This? Yawwwwwn.

By the way, well written and informative review. NOTE: Punknews.org, please sort your reviews and post more like this one. The AFI review is utterly shit-tacular.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

My friend bought this CD and upon my first listen of it, I was not too impressed. Maybe it just needs to grow on me, but I'm not too sure. I was a huge fan of the Ataris, but was disappointed with End is Forever. I don't really think So Long Astoria is going to make me a believer again.

joeg (March 12, 2003)

i know. h2o's "go" was a brilliant debut record. now that's a band to look out for in the future.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

so i get a call from my little sister about atris on trl, turns out the ataris "have released many EPs" according to MTV's pop up bubble.

when you jump to a major, DENY EVERYTHING.

YOUR MAJOR LABEL DEBUT IS THE FIRST RECORD YOUVE RELEASED.

degenerate (March 12, 2003)

How come you ladies get all upset with the re-recording of 'another night alone' yet theres no mention on the 'blue skies' review comment board about 'angry nerd rock' having the same treatment? Maybe we should all calm down.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

this album reminds me of jimmy eat world, if all their songs were written jjust like 'the middle'. its poppy, its got a slight, very slight punk edge, and its ready for radio. yea, its bleed american part 2. not for old fans, but i'm sure it'll be huge. there are a few good songs on it (takeoff's and landings, so longs astoria, radio #2) and thats about it. alot of it is just real boring and clice'd (SP). i mean cmon, do you need to make every song 4 minutes long, its pop'punk' for gods sake.
cawknocker

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

Rap sucks!! (so does pop)

(so does heavy metal)

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

you can find me in da club.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

they suck deez nuts

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

The Ataris USED to be my favorite band... when i picked up BLue Skies and End is Forever i was amazed and overjoyed. When the news came that they were heading to a major. i was shocked and extremely disapointed. but my friend reassured me that they will be just as good if not better. wel ii picked up the CD listened to it a few times and realized there is about 2 good songs and the rest i cannt stand Kris's original sound that he used to possess is now replaced by a more poppy gayish kind of sound i am extremely dissapointed, dont waste ur timeon this album go by an ALkaline Trio album and see a real original band in action.

insinceredave (March 12, 2003)

Yes, growing up can be tough. I still long for life on the farm.

insincere dave

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

I agree with the review. I like the Ataris....I own just about all their CDs actually. But this album coming from a guy that cites Bad Religion and Fugazi as major influences just befuddles me. I mean, I like the album, but they've kinda drifted over that thin line from "pop punk" to "power rock" or whatever it's being called these days. But hey, as long as they let all these emo kids know who Jawbreaker are, they can't be all that bad...

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

I am sick of people saying that "He is 26 now so why would he want to write song's about girls anymore" Well...lets see EiF came out 2 years ago so what would he have been then 24. Wow. That makes sense. Also, It was probably the label's idea to put the remake of "I won't spend another night alone" on the album. Whoever approves the songs for the label was probably like "shit, he doesn't want to write songs about girls anymore. What the fuck are we gonna do now we're totally gonna split our market. Teenage boys don't give a shit about growing up, they want soft music about love and shit, to fuck to, and teenage girls want to hear how much they suck..." So down the road someone was like let's take a song that's four years old pretty it up and no one will know the difference. So the band is like "now people will think we're sellouts...put it at the end of the record." So that is just one possibility of how it got on the record.

End Rant
onelastcigarette

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

This is one of the better written reviews I've seen on this site.

This album is terrible.

They need to stop singing about being teenagers. Isn't the singer like 27?

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

Weak as it gets.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

oh yeah, i forgot something. No bands want to make the same record over and over again. Even the Ramones experimented with tempo and melody. That being said, The Ataris are no exception here. It gets boring not just writing the same record ad nauseum, but also recording it, playing it live and the audience listening to it. It's just the nature of the beast that is the music industry.

Anonymous (March 12, 2003)

ok..it's been said before, but what the hell, here goes.
Whenever you buy a new cd, it's going to take time to get used to it. It's happened to me with almost all i've bought, with a few exceptions.
This record isn't bad, but it isn't perfect either. The songs are more "grown up," hence the underlying theme of the record. While they may have evolved since EiF, which in turn, evolved from Blue Skies.., people said the same thing. Then a few weeks later, it was people's favorite from the band.
I think it's a pretty good record. The lyrics have moved on from just being about girls, which kris beat to death previously, there's more melody here, which is always nice, and it's not just fast power chords. There's structure and riffs and solos, something absent from a lot of "punk" records. To me, they've moved on from their previous records without ever leaving the punk energy behind; it's just not as prevalent as it was pre-EiF. I think there's some "punk" bands out there that can learn a few things from Kris' songwriting and it's evolution.
But that's just my opinion, I could be wrong...

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

come on, listen to the cd people, the ataris havent changed at all, the only thing you guys are bitter about is when you turn the cd over you see the "columbia records" logo instead of "kungFu records"....... i dont know, but the ataris have been very influencial in my life and im sure many of yours, "blue skies..." got me through many of hard times..as did theyre other cds, but the great thing is, they havent changed...AT ALL! great cd guys, nice job.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

the album was ok...but the remake of i wont spend another night alone? what the fuck was that? no other cd ever put out by this band will ever even come close to blue skys...so stop trying to make old songs better. that goes for all bands(period)

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

wuss i gotta agree end is forever is a horible alblum i must have broken or burnt it or something this is much better than that i hesitated to give it a chance beacsue of the last alblum but this is certainly a good cd and will be enjoyed by fans, any new ones they will be making however will probably be ones seeing them on TRL or hearing them on the radio o well from way back when u knew it was going to happen when mark hoppus did guest vocals on the anywhere but here alblum so i have heard thought i am not totaly sure just so somone doesnt come bash me correct me if their is somtihng inacurate about that

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

This album has some cool songs but 80% of the songs on this album sound the same. In my opinion "Blue Skies..." has been their best album thus far, and I'll listen to that over this disc anyday. I'm not trying to say this is a bad album, its just nothing amazing. This is a cd that sounds like it was made for radio, at least all your non "punk" friends wil dig it...

:[Chris]:

WussEmoRock (March 11, 2003)

The last guy went a little overboard. Now for the real comment: This CD isn't too bad, much better than I had anticipated. I still personally think, that "end is forever" is their shittiest record to date. The songs on that were horrid.

*****Wuss-Emo-Rock*****

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

I think it's time i stepped up to the plate...

First to clarify a few issues here...

1. The Radio Still Sucks:

You all seem to have misconstrued the meaning of this song. It's not an anti-radio song, it's simply stating that all the bands on the radio suck. To quote Radio #2 (off of So Long Astoria):

"Why do so many bands never make it to the radio?"

The issue here is not that the radio itself sucks, but it plays bad bands. In this respect, the Ataris really haven't sold out.

2. To address the "Stay DIY/Indie" sentiment, put it in perspective:

The Ataris previous three albums have each sold over 100,000 copies. That's an enormous number, especially for a label of Kung Fu's size. The decision to go major was a result of the fact that as a band, The Ataris had outgrown their label. Plain and simple, Kung Fu couldn't support a band of such status.

-A few notes about the review:

"It's immediately clear that Kris Roe turned down the "punk" and blasted the "pop" in his recent songwriting. "In This Diary" first rips off the intro of NOFX's "Drop the World" and then launches into a preachy, probably fabricated rendition of Roe's childhood. It's a wonderfully crafted made-for-radio hit."

-It's funny that you fault 'In This Diary' for ripping off 'Drop the World' (that's a real stretch there by the way) in a review that focuses so diehardly to the 'punk' dilema. Dare i say any 2 given punk bands are going to sound much more similar (read: rip-offs) than those 2 songs?

-You seem to be ardently against the band right from the get-go here, as evidenced by such lines as "and then launches into a preachy, probably fabricated rendition of Roe's childhood."

Let's for the sake of a review, assume what the singer is saying is true. You have no evidence to support your claim. It's little more than a cheap shot, and only serves to weaken the review as a whole.

(As a side note, this song is actually almost entirely recollection of days past. The line about breaking into hotel swimming pools is a reference to an on-tour incident captured in photograph form on the inside of the remixed "...Anywhere But Here", with the image of Marco pouring the wine all over himself. That's a photo from the night, Kris is referecing.)

-On, a whole, I'd say you sort of missed the theme of the album. I would say it is best embodied by the T-shirt ready line itself:

"Life is only as good as the memories we make."

Interestingly enough, this is a sentiment first proposed by 'punk' legend, Richard Hell in his book "Go Now." The idea being that memories trancend actual events. The book is referenced numerous times throughout the album, including an actual audio clip from the audio version of the book in 'Eight of Nine'.

-To address the 'I Won't Spend Another Night Alone' issue, they recorded the song more for fun than anything, and decided to add it to the album as simply a bonus. Take it as you like...

Now, your opinion is your own, I just factually wanted to clear up a few things. In my opinion this is an excellent Pop-Rock album. Lyrically, I found it to be quite interesting. 'Unopened Letter to the World' in particular is intriguing. It raises the issue of artists recognition, and in particular gained recognition posthumously, citing Emily Dickinson as a prime example. I found the strong referencing and imagery in this song to be thouroughly enjoyable.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

i like the ataris and i think this cd is good, not great but it's a good buy for $6. I won't get mad at them for playing TRL or jumping into the mainstream but i will say they are hypocrites. A band that always spoke of keeping it indie and do it yourself is now pretty far from that. The band that made a good anthem against the radio and all the bullshit they play has now jumped into that mess of garbage. It seems like they aren't the same people in a way, somewhere along the way their beliefs changed. It's their choice so i guess i shouldn't judge them but it is still a let down

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

I always thought Kris's voice sounded ten times better live than on record. I was really stoked when I first saw them, then bought Blue Skies (their latest at the time) and was really let down. Decent songs though..

--Cos

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

man, what an elitist, "punk-rock" fucking reviewer. i absolutely HATE that word over-production. its so fucking overused. you want a good example of real over-production? the starting line's new cd. this new ataris cd is overproduced...it just SOUNDS GOOD. god forbid the ataris wanting to make a great sounding cd. a pre-remix of ABH sucks. the remixed version sounds ten times better. stupid idiot. overproduced...i cant fucking believe that.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

That's because you like men

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Fuck this review.
I've been an ataris fan ever since "Anywhere but Here", I bought this album the day it came out and I think it's great.
People are so quick to judge bands as soon as they sign to a major. All those people care about is if it's "more poppy" or has more catch-phrases or whatever. Thats not because they're on a major, it's because they're becoming better song writers. It's about the music.
Granted, "so long,astoria" isn't The*Ataris best album, but, it's the logical next step for the band. Would you be really happy as an artist putting out your 4th full length and not growing at all? They've moved past the fast/epi-fat style and onto something else, and I say good for them.
so long,astoria is the album of the year, so far. In my opinion.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Got this cd a couple of days ago. Dunno, everytime I buy an Ataris album (4th time) at first I'm rather disappointed, but when I give the album another listen or two... Well, let's say I like it better each time I hear it. (End Is Forever even became one of my all time faves.)

This time this happened again. Would've liked more diversity in the tempo though. And yeah, the other version of "I won't spend another night alone" isn't half as strong as is the original. Don't quite understand why they did this... And two versions of "The saddest song" is a bit much.

Especially when you know they left out "Beautiful Mistake" to put a full band version of fan-fave "looking back on today" on it. Strange choices.

Anything but here: 20 songs, about 30 mins.
So long astoria: 15 songs, 50 mins.
--> What a difference...

All in all: not a bad album, if you give it a few more listens; not their best either.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

end is forever is the absolute worst cd ever made in the history of bad cd's. Piece of art? ha. The most uninsightful lyrics i've heard in a while. Anything can top that cd.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

The CD is really good, but when I listen to it in relation to their previous albums, it's clearly not as good. End Is Forever was abosulte genius, slightly better than Blue Skies IMO, so this is kinda dissappointing that they didn't keep getting better.

thefirstfive (March 11, 2003)

I got this the day it came out, and even though its a side step into new sound i love it. This isn't a punk cd. I doubt it was ment to be, christ Kris himself has said it's more in the tone of foo fighters than nofx. They just finally realised that it was time for the band to stop or evolve. They chose to do the later. I dont know how i feel about them playing TRL, but you know what? if this album gets some 14 year old Avril clone into blue skies great! that album was important to me getting into the scene and getting out of my "mall punk" stage.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

"They covered "I won't spend another night alone" WHY?"

i dont think a band actually covers there own song, they just re-recorded it, and it should have been mentioned its one of two hidden songs, its not actually on the album so cut them some slack.

anyway, "the hero dies in this one" and "my reply" is good, but since end is forever (which had "song 13" and "summer wind...") they've been a 2 good songs an album band for me.

wyzo

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

it's so stupid to sit there and disect someone elses lyrics. i mean it's their thoughts and feelings. regardless if u feel they're cheesy or fake, it's not really anyone's place to criticize someone's thoughts and feelings. i coulda used more song quotes in the review though. as for ripping on the production of the cd. yeah, i guess they should have used the money the label provided for recording to buy a car or something and record shitty sound quality songs in their garage instead of making the cd sound nice and crisp.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

"Why the hell are they still singing about growing up? Kris Roe is losing his hair so he's pulling a Ronnie James Dio move and attempting to grow out a comb-over. If anyone knows about growing old, its him so why the hell is he still playing the role of a teenager."

that's what i've been wondering as well...

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

They covered "I won't spend another night alone" WHY?
Anyhow, hearing the single from this cd made me very sad. No, not because the lyrics got to me, but simply because it showcases what The Ataris have become. No, they have never been original or groundbreaking, but they were DAMN good at making pop punk songs. They had emotion and spirit and were genuine. Now they're just old, singing about the same things, using the same riffs, etc. I feel like they've become an Ataris cover band, instead of the original version. Who knew that the band that made "The radio still sucks" would eventually become part of the corporate business they hated.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

"I think you should give them a break. Their like 26 now so can't continue singing songs about how much they want to ask a girl out but cant find the courage. No its not as good as 'blue skies' but in its own right is a good record."

Why the hell are they still singing about growing up? Kris Roe is losing his hair so he's pulling a Ronnie James Dio move and attempting to grow out a comb-over. If anyone knows about growing old, its him so why the hell is he still playing the role of a teenager.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

this album seems so....generic and the lyrics are cheesy. it's a good CD to put on thought when you want noise but dont really want to have to pay attention to it...but i have to admit, covering cheesy rock songs is great.
___===IlikeSKA===___

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

If you even think about listening to the Ataris, you should throw yourself off a bridge..

Please don't breed.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

The ataris used to have it. Now they are money hungry, sell outin', bad haircut wearing wankers. Their new album is crap. Songs always about the past and topics every 15 year old girl can relate to. 'The boys of summer' is a fun cover, but other than that, steer clear of this album. Also, doesn't the word hypocrite come to mind when watching MTV and listening to the radio and hearing the ataris. Does anyone remember a little song called 'the radio still sux?' Well, now it really sux cause the ataris are blurring up the air waves.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Five stars is for your nice review, but for the Ataris's album, only two stars are OK. One word : DISAPPOINTMENT !

-Louis

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Travisangst,

I don't think the issue that people have is that the new Ataris album isn't "punk enough", it's just that they've lost their spirit. I was a huge Ataris fan after Blue Skies came out. They had alot more intensity then most other pop-punk and seemed to be something special. When End is Forever came out, Kris said in an interview that they wrote most of the songs in the studio in two weeks and it showed. Half the songs were rehashed older songs and the other half were, with a few exceptions, uninspired at best. Talk about disappointment. The only thing that can make the band a sellout is if they say one thing and do another. While the Ataris may never have been "punk rock", they said many times that Indie/DIY was THE way to go. Then again, he only said for US to "stay indie, stay DIY", maybe he didn't want competition for a record deal?

-Painaxl

sloppyblake (March 11, 2003)

So Long, Astoria is also full of t-shirt-ready soundbites

made my day.

degenerate (March 11, 2003)

I think you should give them a break. Their like 26 now so can't continue singing songs about how much they want to ask a girl out but cant find the courage. No its not as good as 'blue skies' but in its own right is a good record.

The fact that its based on the goonies also deserves an extra star.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

I heard them on the radio the other day... 3 words.. Goo goo dolls-oldpunker-oh yeah. Total shite-

travisangst (March 11, 2003)

all you assholes are so arrogant and jaded...the ataris ahve never really been punk rock, and they have always been trying to seel this shit to a 13 year old audience. i actually kinda dig the songs i've heard on this album way more than any of the ones on previous albums. didn't anyone care to realize that maybe, just maybe the band is growing up and they don't want to play the same shit? maybe they want to be an awesome pop band instead of a shitty rehashed punk band?

and as for the "insult to older audiences", i'm 21, and i don't feel any insult when they say that growing up is much more fun that being grown up.

it makes me laugh when people call bands sellouts. i think the production level on this album soars miles above anything they've ever done. take that as a good thing or bad thing, but as for me, if i had the chance to bring my music to tons more people, and to have the recording quality crystal-clear, i'd do it. isn't that what its all about? getting your music to as many people as possible?

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

What happened to the Ataris? Cah-ching.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Have any of you morons seen the other fat bastards in this band? No wonder Kris Roe is the only one shown in the video. It wouldn't get played otherwise if they showed the other dudes in the band. Those guys look like they work at a fucking car wash.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Never liked them, don't care now. Same old sh*t.

user13 (March 11, 2003)

Ataris are such fucking sell outs. Have u seen the in this diary video??? They might as well change the name of the band to Kris Roe. He was the only one in the band showed for more than two seconds

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Ataris fucking suck.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

They always played boring music.
I remember on their mp3.com site, they use to have:
"Stay Diy, stay indie, dont sign to major label" under explenation for "radio still sucks".
Then they signed with major.
Sellouts?Sellouts...

TenderBransonX (March 11, 2003)

I liked these guys and when I saw them live I was like "good stuff why is everyone coming down on them?" then I heard this cd.... dammit. This is just the exact reason it would take me to stop being a fan. Repitious and the only good parts are rips off the old albums. Whatever happened to songs like Song 13?

sonicice (March 11, 2003)

This album is horrible. I am going to pretend the only Ataris albums ever released were Anywhere But Here and Blue Skies, Broken Hearts.

Anonymous (March 11, 2003)

Yeah that guy sounds like the Goo Goo Goo Goo Goo Dolls guy

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