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NOFX: Regaining UnconsciousnessRegaining Unconsciousness (2003)
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So NOFX is now officially on Fat, and to kick it off they released an EP that is a "teaser" by anyone's definition. 3 of the 4 songs will be on their anti-Dubya full length "The War on Errorism" due out May 6th, and the 5th track is a hilarious ad for it. "Medio-core" is a great song, and a bi.
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So NOFX is now officially on Fat, and to kick it off they released an EP that is a "teaser" by anyone's definition. 3 of the 4 songs will be on their anti-Dubya full length "The War on Errorism" due out May 6th, and the 5th track is a hilarious ad for it.

"Medio-core" is a great song, and a bit of a departure from NOFX's standard procedure. It's got a slow bass-driven groove with a sparse yet cool guitar part and great backing vocals, and a bit of swing in the later verses. This is interspersed with louder, more typical NOFX parts, and the song breaks into double time in the end.

A more traditional sounding "Idiots are Taking Over" has a break-neck tempo that slows down for a ska bridge. Yeah, I though they said they would never play ska again… and no, this is not reggae. I have no problem with it though, but they should have put some of Hefe's trumpet in there, I miss it! Anyway, the song speeds up again and has some Melvin screams towards the end, but it is really nothing new or super-good, just decent. "Franco Un-American" is a good song, but it surprised me in starting out with a cliché synth part. It works in this mid-tempo poppy political song, which, ever since I first heard it, reminds me of "Quart in Session." Also, this song doesn't have anything to do with the company that makes Spaghetti-O's. Sorry.

Hardcore 84 is the one song that will not be on "The War on Errorism." It is an early 80's style hardcore song obviously, with Eric Melvin on lead vocals, appropriately. It goes through the years 81-84 with verses I can't understand and then a chorus that represents that year's hardcore (that's one guess). It's worth a listen, but not worth buying the EP just to hear it. The last track, the ad, plays some clips from other songs off the full length, with El Hefe doing his best announcer voice over it. The concept sounds lame, but they pull it off with some funny parts like when Hefe plays a clip and Fat Mike says, "dude…that one didn't make the record."

So, is this EP worth getting? No. Just wait for the full length, unless you can get this real cheap or free. Just as they say of their full length at the end of the ad, "Also available for free on the internet." Keep in mind this score is for the tracks themselves, (sort of a hypothesis on the scoring of "The War on Errorism") not the overall worth of this teaser EP.

 

 
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Anonymous (February 22, 2006)

this is the kick in the head music a person needs these days

Anonymous (May 13, 2003)

very average songs on this. the 5th track ad was originally a ramones idea and can be found as the last track on the animal boy (expanded) album.

Anonymous (May 2, 2003)

This is not the best thing they've ever done , especially for Franco Un-American , but this song is made for the lyrics , and they are good . For the full EP , I just think that the songs are just good , Medio Core and Hardcore 84 are songs about the history of the band , and The Idiots are Taking Over is a really goods song , lyrics and music ( Fat Mike is getting better and better for the bass , believe me i play the bass , and the intro of this song is just fuckin hard to play ) . So , I think that NOFX history is taking a new turn , it's still NOFX but the sound is cleaner ( too bad for Hardcore 84 , 'cause a fucked up sound would have been nice for this song ) , Medio Core's verses shows us another new side of NOFX : the groove one ( I didn't expected this one...)> So just wait for the full lenth , i know NOFX , it will be very good , 'cause there are many things to say about W.Bush , and Fat Mike won't miss this idiot son of an asshole's face.

Anonymous (April 26, 2003)

yeah this is only an ep so i dont take it that big and i personally dont think it was that bad. i was just wondering tho, does anyone know anything about the songs "reeko" and "glass wax".

Anonymous (April 22, 2003)

what happened to actually reviewing the music, or has that just been lost in the mix? your psuedo-intrlligent sociopolitical babblings have no place in a music review. sorry for the digression. as far as the music goes: this is a stagnant, overdefined, unoriginal release. nofx needs to break away from the formulaic bullshit, and stop rerecording the same mediocrity.

Anonymous (April 15, 2003)

Ok, I'm the first who predicts it: Irak will win the war. USA will have to enter Bagdad to win, which is impossible.

Thank you.

whoops you goofed. :

Anonymous (April 15, 2003)

everyone loves sarcasm in this thread.

Anonymous (April 3, 2003)

Julien Bureau !!!

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

Fuck.... great review, but this guy was unfair giving this score....

By the way i loved this EP... I hope the entire album goes in the same line this EP is...

NOFX!!! Please come to Bazil!!!

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

hey america? why does everyone hate you?

i must be missing something. I can't imagine why the last 40 years of foreign diplomacy disasters would piss people off so much that they want to end your entire country. that's crazyness, if you ask me. They MUST be crazy, all the while, the US is totally innocent.

Solution! Kill all those who stand in your way! They do pose a threat. That much is true. Pose a threat to the wealth of a few thousand people in the US.

Don't worry, it's too late for you now, the Carter Admin started it, and now they're trying to finish it. The protesters can't turn back time.

If you don't like what I say, then maybe you wanna fight me? Bomb my country? That'll stop the nagging feeling in the back of your asshole. Violence is the solution to all problems, at least, that's how it works for you guys...

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

You would have given that up a long time ago if you had a mind. Organized religion is a joke.

Ah, that's right. I can't believe in something that gives me hope that there will be something better than this shitty place called Earth because it's simply a joke.

I guess also learning about tolerance, love and respect is all a joke too, right?

Please excuse me while I leave this conversation in hopes in finding someone who isn't nearly as big of a tool as you are.

burnthegospel (March 31, 2003)

maybe you're right, the right to freedom was OBTAINED on the frontlines and through bloodshed. but this freedom, what we call a democratic government, is propely MAINTAINED by the people's dissent. protesting, boycotting, and even sometimes improper civil disobedience is what keeps our current social and political system in check. one of the most important characteristic which gives birth to the presevation of democracy is the fact that the government does have to answer the people. without this, you have what you call fascism. just something to think about..

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

religion is a joke. not just organized religion. i like black sabbath.

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

why would punks be leftist??? oh my god! holy shit!!!! punks? leftist? ahh

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

You would have given that up a long time ago if you had a mind. Organized religion is a joke.

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

If NOFX is "God", I'm giving up Catholicism right now.

Toniss (March 31, 2003)

NOFX godlike !!! they are the best and they will be till the end.. they are god...

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

"Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts."

Hmmm, this is a punk site. A punk site being leftist? I can't believe it!! Never!

CallingLondon (March 31, 2003)

hey, remember when we were talking about the CD? that was awesome.

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

"Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts."

Best.Post.Ever.

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

just because your muslim doesn't mean you're automatically PRO-SADDAM or PRO-KILL AMERICANS...just like any other group of people there are gonna be some that give the rest bad names or reputations. don't be narrowminded

FortyMinutesWest (March 31, 2003)

It's hippienews.org, you went to the wrong site.

Anonymous (March 31, 2003)

Is this punknews.org or hippienews.org? Lots of far-left, pant-shitting trash posting on here, fuck off you silly little cunts.

waste_elite (March 30, 2003)

my conclusion:

bitch all you want, for or against, it won't change a thing. it's more fun to throw back a few pabst's and listen to husker du.

the end.

Le_MAD (March 30, 2003)

Ok, I'm the first who predicts it: Irak will win the war. USA will have to enter Bagdad to win, which is impossible.

Thank you.

Anonymous (March 30, 2003)

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20030327.asp

Anonymous (March 30, 2003)

"lol, the united nations. bunch of pussies who sit around debating and never get shit done. fuck that"

From your rhetoric I gathered that you were very well educated and had read books about the UN...

Sarcasm is beautiful.

cawsin (March 30, 2003)

lol, the united nations. bunch of pussies who sit around debating and never get shit done. fuck that

Anonymous (March 30, 2003)

He's an idiot son of an asshole.

Anonymous (March 30, 2003)

the new war is awesome.

wyzo

Anonymous (March 30, 2003)

"America: a nation of noisy idiots."
-Me, 2003

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

(i gave it a 5 cause i don't have it)

hey i read that comment from the guy talkin about how fat sucks and its dead and it makes every band bad yeah blah blah blah. i disagree very much so. although its the only thing ive heard from them, i think dillinger four's situationist comedy is one of the best cds ive ever heard. i think saying fats dead is way off. the Lawrence Arms' Apathy and Exaustion is probably my favorite cd. yeah strung outs newest was a little weak compared to twisted by design. but NUFAN's newest is also another great cd. i expect the war on errorism to be very good, because thats what i usually see from nofx, and most of the other fat bands also.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez... To the post a few below this: Please don't compare this engagement to World War II. We were attacked by an enemy force. We were attacked. We were not attacked by the Iraqis in any way, shape or form. So why are we over there killing their people? Is it because Saddam is a bad man and we need to install a new government? I agree, he is, but overthrowing governments is not the job of the United States. Who made us international policeman? We have no right to do that. There's an equitable, democratic organization for that kind of thing: the United Nations. Also, you claim we're fighting this war against terrorists. How can you say that, though? It was Osama and his minions that were responsible for 9/11, not Saddam. Where's the connection? --JP

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

You know who rocks?

Me.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

"Also, most of you are fighting the war. It would be different if you were sent to fight. If a bunch of you are gonna reply with the fact about how you care about all human life, why all of a sudden now? Why aren't these protests going on in mass hordes for all the injustices provoked by the US, in the interest of the US people?"

Uhhhh... I'm not in the Army, so what the fuck are you talking about? And I'm not "over there" and if I was, I sure as hell wouldn't be okay with planes dropping uranium shells on me... And, on a side note, you write like you have serious mental illness. You ought check it out with a doctor.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

"As for the anarchist fucktard posting below. Go blow yourself up somewhere for your cause. If you got a problem with society, strap a bomb on yourself and explode in a nursery school filled with the future. It seems no one in the world has a problem with that type of violence."

I never said terrorism was okay... I said that Americas reasons for war are just as bad as terrorists... You are such a tool... People protesting war worse than those who are pro-war? You are backwards... And starting a war with Iraq will only heighten the risk of such events as people blowing up nurseries (a bit melodramatic, eh, mom?)... And what the fuck is wrong with "Anarchy"? Anarchy would actually work if the people in America were as good and great as you make them out to be... You are the tool, my friend. Is the real answer to the "Iraqi delima" to drop uranium shells on their civillians? Fuck no, and if you think "all's fair in war", then your mind is too fucked up to be recognized by me... Pro-war people tend to be backwards assholes... Like you.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

maybe the best thing to do is just make all 3rd world countries one big parking lot.
And the countries that have dictators, just nuke them and use the land for landfill sites.
Its amazing just how fucking backward some countries. Disease ridden, and absolutely 0 opportunity for the civilians.
Its funny how people are ok with the idea of a guy like Saddam terrorizing his own people, you wouldn't be if he were one of his people.
So, back to the ep.
Good tracks and really anticipating the full length.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

seriously, a whole bunch of you are fucking tools.
A few things to point out. When there are natural disasters, and thousands of people get killed, either through earthquakes, hurricanes, etc...who do these 3rd world countries come to for money? The United fucking states.
If there is a problem in the world blame the states.
When a terrorist blows himself up in a cafe filled with innocent people its the US's fault.
It fucking bullshit.
The war is bullshit, but a lot of the reasons why you don't support the war are fucking worse than the reasons that support war.
The sad fact that most of us here have it too easy. The world is not a pretty place, and it never will be.
I just personally think that the Iraqi military should stop hiding their shit amongst civillians. Fucking fight face to face, or die trying.
Anyways, no one is going to agree, which is exactly what the problem is in this world.
What I really enjoy seeing is the anti-war protestors getting so riled up that they turn violent, not all, but some.
Also, most of you are fighting the war. It would be different if you were sent to fight. If a bunch of you are gonna reply with the fact about how you care about all human life, why all of a sudden now? Why aren't these protests going on in mass hordes for all the injustices provoked by the US, in the interest of the US people?
When the war is over, you'll still be supporting a rotten government that provides for its people off the backs of 3rd world countries.....most of you won't be complaining then.
As for the anarchist fucktard posting below. Go blow yourself up somewhere for your cause. If you got a problem with society, strap a bomb on yourself and explode in a nursery school filled with the future. It seems no one in the world has a problem with that type of violence.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

I think the question that should be answered is not whether Iraq is capable of attacking the United States but why Iraq and the "evil axis" countries want to attack the United States in the first hand.The United States Army has taken part over more than 30 "peace operations" since WW2, some of them could be called justified and some of them not. However the point to emphasize is that the U.S. is considering himself as the protector of the world peace which is based on the technological superiority of its weapons, missiles and bunker busters.

We can't even vaguely predict the number of dead American soldiers or the number of civilians killed after all these operations but we can always keep in mind that diplomacy is stronger than
violence and raw power. Do you think that any U.S. citizen in the world can consider himself in total safety after the Iraqi operation? Will the threat be really over after Saddam is captured and executed?Never...
Is there a possibility of 1% that an Iraqi boy whose parents are killed in a bombing yesterday will not hate the United States until the end of his life or do you think it is possible for an American child whose father is killed by the Iraqi militia the other day will not blame it on the whole Iraqi nation?
This is the "threat" that we should all pay attention!

By the way, as the author of these lines above I'm writing you from a long distance - from Turkey, just wanted to give you an opinion about how all the stuff looks from this side of the world.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

"We were forced into WW2, so we should wait until Iraq bombs us and we're forced into a war with them, hmm?"

Iraq has NO Air Force to speak of, let alone any missiles that can fire half way around the world to America... Get your facts straight, dick. If the war we started with Iraq, using "self defense" and "moral grounds" as reasoning, is justified, then what about the terrorists? The next generation of them are the ones who see the absolute worst in America as their houses are bombed to hell and their country torn apart... And we ARE fighting a war on islam... I go to Anti-War rallies, and lately there have been (get this) Pro-War protesters there also. They think we need to bomb Iraq so that we wipe out muslims... Those are the types of people who support war, and I must agree with Lunk.

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

Anyone who supports the war, the troops, or that cunt bush and his fucknuckle manipulative media-dominating conflict of interest cronies can kiss my anarchist arse you fucked up fascist CUNTS! Learn to THINK for once in your pathetic, self-obsessed little lives and get off your smug pedestals before it's too late. Every invader that dies in Iraq is one less moral-less mercenary dickhead for us to deal with when the time comes. Objectively review all information before believing it (read: don't believe the bullshit they shove down your throat or I'll have to kick your teeth in for being such a spineless SHEEP). The world needs less mindless consumerist morons like you warmongering Nazis, so do me and the real people of this world a favour and end your useless cardboard-cut out lives before you can do any more damage with your ignorance. Hide behind your distorted ‘facts’ if it allows you to sleep at night, but don’t believe for a second you're fooling anyone but your conformist friends and your own atrophied brain. Regurgitate the rhetoric that your ‘leaders’ and corporate media spew out on a daily basis, but know that by doing so you are merely displaying your intrinsic lack of moral fibre and intellectual capacity.
-lunk

Anonymous (March 29, 2003)

Anyone know if this album is limited edition? I bought the 7" and it was colored gray vinyl. Im guessing that is limited to maybe around 1000 or so.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

guess what retard. iraq doesnt have weapons that can reach our end of the world. the whole "another 9-11" thing is pretty ignorant. (yeah callin you a retard is too, so what, im sick of this whole thing already)

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

We were forced into WW2, so we should wait until Iraq bombs us and we're forced into a war with them, hmm? I guess you need another 9/11 for a wake up call, the last one sure didn't last long.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

In ww2 we were forced into war and the world was rid of facism, so that was a justified war. Civilian casualties are easy to accept when they're not your own people, friends, or family. This war is unnecessary so are the casualties, that is the problem. How many times must this be explained. If it wasn't for Bush's poor diplomacy we wouldn't be here. The guy was like a "bull in a china shop". -Jay

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

correction:

"aren't purposely killing civilians" in first line. My mistake.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"I only see a problem with it if it's not justified, and I think this war is justified."

Death is death. Wouldn't a muslim terror strike against be "justified", since we're killing so many of them? No, it wouldn't, but by your terms it would. I dont think you'd be singing the same tune if uranium shells were being dropped on your family...


Look, I think war is a terrible thing. We are purposley attacking civilians. Accidents happen unfortuantly, but it's all part of war. Civilian casualties happen in every war.

It seems like everybody wants peace but nobody is willing to work for it. Sometimes when you want peace, you need to go to war (i.e. WWII for example).

And as far as us "killing" muslims over there, that's total bullshit. We are targeting terrorists. Maybe you can't realize the differance between a muslim and a terrorist, but I can. If you want to argue that, maybe you should read about some of the atrocities going on against Americans in Saudi Arabia.

A terrorist has zero justifiction for what they do. No matter if it happens in Palestine, Israel, Ireland or here.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

sadam broke UN sanctions not Us sanctions, so it is the UN who should punish Iraq. And the inspectors were starting to make real progress. And its Bushs bad diplomacy that led us to this war. Would you want to give up your weapons if for three years the most powerful countrie in the world were threatening you?

dignin

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"I only see a problem with it if it's not justified, and I think this war is justified."

Death is death. Wouldn't a muslim terror strike against be "justified", since we're killing so many of them? No, it wouldn't, but by your terms it would. I dont think you'd be singing the same tune if uranium shells were being dropped on your family...

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

and what about the "freedom" fries, those republican assholes are making us americans look like a bunch of ignorant right-wing idiotic pieces of shit in front of the whole world

bomb texas they have oil too

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"Fuck people, it's WAR. Civilian casulties ARE expected. This is a low number compared to previous wars, trust me people, we could bomb Iraq back to the fucking stone age and kill 90% of those people if we wanted to."

And you don't see a problem with that?


I only see a problem with it if it's not justified, and I think this war is justified. (this is MY personal opinion).

It could be a helluva lot worse with these casualites guys.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"Fuck people, it's WAR. Civilian casulties ARE expected. This is a low number compared to previous wars, trust me people, we could bomb Iraq back to the fucking stone age and kill 90% of those people if we wanted to."

And you don't see a problem with that?

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

lets review some facts
9-11... roughly 2500 dead americans
first gulf war... 90,000 dead iraqis.

no wonder the world hates us. iraq and al qaeda dont even have any connections. if you are worried about anything, worry about north korea. they HAVE nuclear weapons, a 1.1 million person military and a crazy guy who hates america and starves his people running the country. do you worry about saddam coming to get you? no! he doesnt have the resources! never will. north korea is a threat, and bush says he wants to use diplomacy there.... hmmm no oil for halliburton so they'll try not to spill blood. the key to getting people to stop committing terrorism is foreign aid and helping improve people's individual lives. Bush is wasting so much money on homeland security and a slew of other "Operation: Mumbo Jumbos" that no wonder everybody hates us. we squander our resources. Spend money on foreign aid!!!! the USA ranks last in per capita foreign aid among the top 20 richest countries in the world according to the state Dept.
oh NOFX kicks ass and the LP is going to be A fucking plus. The EP is too short and they shouldnt have that commerical with HEFE. why doesnt he sing more now? he used to sing a lot, johnny appleseed was cool

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

NOFX good - particularly franco-unamerican. look forward to the full length release

re: iraq war ; it's been planned since 94 - very little oil company involvement - mostly defense contractors and likudite zionists (Pearle, Wolfowitz) involved in JINSA. Read "the men of JINSA and CSA" at iraqwar.org

The world must be cleansed of those evil guys who don't like the Gap and Starbucks and arn't fond of yehuddis.
XXOO, Kolzig

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

No government is a good government... France is a LOT better than America, though... For caring so much about what happened Sept. 11, 2001 (saying "9/11" is such a drab cliche), dems and repubs both are letting it be an excuse for a war for oil... Oh, by the way, to those who think this is a "moral war against Sadam", and that civil. casualties are light, did you know that we are dropping URANIUM shells on the Iraqi people, and that the number of deaths by cancer will outdo the number of death on explosion by tenfold? Humanitarian? "There will be causualties- this is war" my ass... This is a war AMERICA started... That is the excuse terrorists use, and if we are no better than the "enemy" in the causes and excuses for innocent people dying, then how are we more worthy of winning? Bush going around calling other countries "evil" is not going to make things better over here...

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Did anyone else get reminded of Darlington's Judy Jetson from the frist song on the NOFX EP? I don't know all the lyrics, but the songs have similar ideas, but obviously they are different types of bands and the Darlington song is about 4 years old.
Here's a snippet I found on the web, but I don't have the full cd it's from so I can't really compare, i've just heard it a few times:
http://mp3.interpunk.com/52267-4.mp3

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

BTW, I wasn't the one who made the first comment. -Jay

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

I think it's rather obvious that we could kill all of the Iraqis if we want, so I "trust" you. But I think the whole point is, since this war is argueably unecessary, the casualties are as well. It's all too easy to say, hey, this war. But if it was on American soil and we had a say in it (unlike the Iraqi people) the response wouldn't be "this is war, get over it".
-Jay

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Not quite sure where you got that number where 400 civilians are dead.

But, I must say, that's a very low number compared to previous numbers.

Get over it. IT'S A WAR. What the fuck else would you expect? And since when did people all of a sudden start caring for the Iraqi people?

Last time I checked, they didn't give two shits about them until 2 months ago but didn't mind Baghdad being bombed back in 98 and despite the brutality they've gone through for the past 20 years.

Fuck people, it's WAR. Civilian casulties ARE expected. This is a low number compared to previous wars, trust me people, we could bomb Iraq back to the fucking stone age and kill 90% of those people if we wanted to.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

9/11 was horrible, but this war is equally horrid. Almost 400 civilians are already dead, by the time it ends there will probably (hopefully not though) be more than 9/11. Anyone who thinks that 9/11 is of "greater significance" is just another ethnocentric idiot who spends too much time in America.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"And it's not just oil or arms. A report which was commissioned by the French Parliament and published in September last year, put the value of French exports to Iraq since United Nations sanctions were eased in 1996 at US$3.5 billion. French pharmaceutical firms, telecommunications firm Alcatel, engineering company Alstom and car-makers Peugeot and Renault have all made substantial sales in Iraq. France was also the Western country with the largest number of stands at last November's Baghdad Trade Fair."

Why wouldn't this, like the oil trade continue once Iraq was "Democractic".

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

the album is gonna mark the peak of nofx for the fifth time.. (whit trash, heavy petting zoo, so long and thanx for all the shoes and the decline the four previous peaks). In their mid thirties when is nofx gonna start to decline.... hopefully never.... oh yeah and a new evident political mind set will make this band strong for another twenty years..... can anyone say punk rock neil young... lol

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Does anyone see the money owed to the French being paid back if Saddam stays in power? The French sold them weapons and are owed money, but does anyone think he has the money to pay them back or ever will? If so, why hasen't he yet? -Jay

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

I agree forty. There has been a lot of debate on France's reasoning for opposing the US war in Iraq. I've read many things about it and have come to a crossroads. If infact the oil is cheap, what's to say it won't be just as cheap once it's in American hands? Besides that, how come the rest of the world isn't on our side here? Don't talk about the countries with political interesting in going along with the US either. I'm sure the people who oppose this war aren't interested in oil like the French are, so what's their reasoning? It's also very possible that the French have multiple reasons for opposing war. Either way, I'm glad they're standing against Bush in this war. -Jay

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"together on the sand...together on the sand we walked hand in hand on the beach front, she smiled at me as she tightly held my hand, i had my fingers up her...country music played on the radio so i turned it off, we walked down to the water as she grabbed to my honker...a wave swept us away..."

NOFX

FortyMinutesWest (March 28, 2003)

France is not some pious nation looking out for peace. But neither is the U.S. and our long term plans are more dangerous.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Guy 2 below me. No one is saying the U.S. doesnt do stupid shit, we all know we helped them out by giving Saddam biological weapons. All we are saying is that France is almost as guilty, just saying they are not taking the stance they are for humanitarian purposes.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

ska! ska! ska! bink bink bink

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Everyone has their reasons for opposing or agreeing with this war, face the facts.

Some posters have said that France and Germany don't want war due to the fact that they get oil for cheap from Saddam. What exactly is cheap?

Saying that France and Germany are helping feed Iraq's regime are foolish, they are looking out for their own interests. Since WHEN has the US done anything different but look out for their own interest.

Also...please spare me all the bullshit about "If Americans wouldn't have fought in WW2 we'd all be speaking German"...please fuck off. The US joined BOTH World Wars LIGHT YEARS after they started. Only until someone or something lit a fire under their ass did they move (ie Pearl Harbor). Fuck they KNEW it was gonna happen and DID NOTHING to stop it. I'm sick of hearing how America makes the world a better place to live.

Oh and America? Please tell us how you funded IRAQ by giving them weapons to fight IRAN in the 80s. Tell us how you funded the Taliban....

yourfavoritebandsucks (March 28, 2003)

France cares about two things in this war, oil and the money that Saddam owes them. Someone below said we deserved 9/11. How many people did you know who died when that happened? You say what about the people of Iraq dying by US hands? Well I am not going to debate with the majority of the people on here that are making statements because it is the way someone that is punk should answer. Anyone that says we deserved 9/11 ashould die in a firey crash. Better yet, let them watch their loved one jump out of a 100 story burning building to their death.

orkj (March 28, 2003)

well, do you know who has the current oil conections in iraq? germany and france. and who has negociated through the deal with the eventual new government? britain and USA. DIE FOR OIL SUCKERS

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Hey idiot thinking France is so concerned with the people of Iraq.
Explain to me why in the fuck they are making it so difficult for humanitarian aid to reach the people of Iraq...I thought they cared?
There's something that we all don't know with France. I'm very interested to see why they don't want to see a change of power in Iraq, they've made it quite clear that they don't care for the people of Iraq.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

hey bonehead below me,
France and Germany BOTH get large amounts of oil for cheap, as long as Saddam is in power.
Thats the reason why they don't want to go to war. Thats why they wouldn't agree to use force on any of the 17 resolutions.
France and Germany both have a vested interest in oil in Iraq...more so than the forces in there.
Saddam does not want, nor has sold much oil to the US. Sure france didn't go to war, but thats what they are all about. They let the Germans walk right through France.
If it wasn't for the 'dumb' americans fighting in ww2 we would all be speaking german.
Quit pretending you live in a happy world, where if you are peacful, it surely means everyone else will be.
Survival of the fitest. Go eat your fuckin veggies and continue protesting.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Hey moron 2 below. I think you need to quit reading the conservative media. Whoever said that the French only had interests in oil? I wasn't saying France has a "good" government, no one does. But the point I WAS trying to make as that, by atleast staying out of this war, France earns a couple points with me. I mean, the US gets oil from Iraq too and wouldn't France's helping Bush give them more oil? Probably, so your hypothesis doesn't make sense. And, yeah, fuck the troops. You, for the most part, have a choice about this kind of matter. If you go and you get shot that's your problem, it's a shame that someone died, but you knew what you were going there to do- start a fight.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

I don't agree with Fat Mike 100%, but I can appreciate the fact that he is trying to get young people to vote, in a day and age where most of the people voting still think Coca Cola is a nickel... As for the EP, dude, it's like $5. Buy it and support a band, you cheap bastards. It's not half bad, although I would have liked more B-sides. Or get the new Utters CD, cus it is great.

Out like stinky trout,

~ Hayato

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Hey dickhead, the guy a couple posts down, the one who talks about "fuck the troops". Yeah, fuck you. You are trying to tell people that France is the only ones who "have their head on their shoulders". I never thought I would say this, but you need to stop reading so much liberal media. Fuck, the only reason the French dont want to go to war is because they get sweet ass deals on oil from Saddam. The French care as much about human life as Bush does (none). See, the French know that if the U.S. takes over Iraq then they wont be able to get good oil deals anymore and they are also afraid of the U.S. finding out the things the French have done to help Saddam, such as weapons. So dont sit here and say the French are these super humanitarian people, cause they are just as guilty as the U.S. Now they are trying to block the U.N. from sending humanitarian aod to Iraq as a way of boycott. Can you find a more stupid way of boycotting then that? So fuck off and learn before you speak as a spokesman for the unlimate liberal media.

FortyMinutesWest (March 28, 2003)

You'rE an idiot, Im drunk and you still dont make sense, go kill yourself, waste of oxygen.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

let's get back to talking about the album, or the review of the album.
yeah u don't agree with fat mike's politics? So what, he's not saying you have to.
Just don't be so ignorant to think you're government that u support is good for everyone. No matter what side you like.

Face the facts, humans suck. We're never going to get along, and we're always going to disagree.
If its not the US blowing up country it would be another.
If you don't like your government, don't support it. Quit working and drain the money from welfare. When you get a government in that you like, get back to work.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

"and the halliburton thing is horrid. cheney still has business affiliations and it's so very obvious. that man frustrates me very much. i want him to go away."

every politician has business affiliations or they wouldn't be in office.

Everybody just needs to chill out about trivial shit like fat mike isn't punk and i'm punk and my cat has a skin rash so it's punk. Please let's get some constructive fucking criticism for once.

-suburbanXa

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

hey FUCKHEAD.....you're not free. The "troops" can lick my balls. It sucks that some of them may only be there because they are of a minority class. But the majority are ignorant, moronic fools just like yourself. So I guess you can lick my balls too. What the hell are they doing to "protect freedom" you stupid little fuck? They are MURDERING hundreds of innocent civilians (310 thus far) and they are just following orders without question. How is that courageous? It's just weakness. The US troops are incompetent (look at the FF casualties) and ignorant. The Iraqi troops may be half- pro Sadam and half fighting with a gun to their head, meaning Sadam will kill them if they don't. So does this war accomplish anything? No, it doesn't "protect freedom". You're about as easy to mold as play-do, who told you it was "protecting freedom? Your mommy and daddy? Fox News? George Bush? Use your own brain you foolish little man. And what's so great about US? It is flooded with obese, fast food munching, sitcom watching, racist morons who can't even read or write coherently. It's disgusting, you could give 2 shits about your environment or life in general, you only care when some terrorist attacks you.....then all of a sudden terrorism is a "big issue". America, the land of hypocrisy, ignorance, greed, and celloulite.

Anonymous (March 28, 2003)

Support the troops!

They're doing more for us than your sorry ass ever will.

The scene for freedom is not in your local run-down coffee shop, its on the front lines.

you're ignorant to forget that your right to be so insanely idiotic in your opinions came from liberty and freedom won on the battlefield.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

I live in the "USA" and the amount of ignorance being excercised is frightening. What's with this "freedom fries" bullshit? France rocks, they don't care what your fatty, greasey, "american" foods are called. I'm not saying that the French government is anything special....but in the current situation it is the only one with it's head attached to it's shoulders. I swear if I hear another person say "the French suck" or "Support The Troops" I'm gonna go postal.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Iraq is so punk

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Hooray form Fat Mike. He's the guy who makes us have this conversation. Praise him.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

what with the french bashin?
that s ridiculous. the government is only tryin to make you feel like the anti war protest is because of the french. just read the real news and you ll see why the whole world is against you

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

FAT MIKE GO GO GO lets revolution

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Fat Mike is only trying to get kids to vote. Nothing else.
And he's right. Punkers who support this war on oil can suck it. I will never respect any of this pieces of shit. My brother lives in Iraq, and if he gets killes, i ll kkill like 20 americams. that s how it works, that s why you dumbasses should have respected the uno.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

viva fat mike. This guy makes you all think about politics. He has the best fckin songwriting. Fuck olive you, just vote bush and get the fuck outta the punk rock scene, you fuckin pieces o shit morons. learn how to read between the lines. you're poor and supporting bush: that s what any FUCKIN DUMBASS would do, damit, the guy is tryin to SCREW YOU. and you dipshit ameriocans support him. hell, you DESERVED 9/11. fuck off.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

everyone generally offers one side of the story, so that would basically mean anyone with an opinion on politics is an idiot by your standards.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

How about watching 95% of any major news outlet to the "other side" of the story because Fat Mike is one of the only ones offering a different view. I don't know a soul would "blindly" follows Fat Mike like he's the messiah anyway, maybe it's just the losers you hang out with. You probably don't know shit about politics in the first place.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

If people actually sit there and listen and read blindly from what Fat Mike has to say, then all I can say is that I pity them.

Go out and learn things from yourself, not some clown who gives one side of the story.

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

Im mom said i had something on my foot. Ssssssssssquish

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

Happy 5th birthday. Too bads its your last. Haha governeor gjim ghodegs.

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

I herd a bgood idea made up my mamaa told me that if we sold melmons whoosp i mean lemons we could say enjoy the taste of lemons

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

Nofx is my favortie ska band not tska is for babbbys who lsiten to ska

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

I elf my dinner in the flor

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

Take off your pants and jackie

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

My favirte sum four t one song is probbobly its not my place in the 9 to 5 world

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

Whoosp i pooped myself im berg

JOE_MOMMA (March 27, 2003)

I have reterned to teech the kids not to listen to this gay ska music like ramnones.

FortyMinutesWest (March 27, 2003)

I think I got a cavity just reading that.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

I would like to add something to the ice cream debate. Has anyone tried cotton candy ice cream? Our caf has cotton candy ice cream with pop rocks in it, and it is delicious.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

"While we hoped that popular revolt or coup would topple Saddam, neither the U.S. nor the countries of the region wished to see the breakup of the Iraqi state. We were concerned about the long-term balance of power at the head of the Gulf. Trying to eliminate Saddam, extending the ground war into an occupation of Iraq, would have violated our guideline about not changing objectives in midstream, engaging in "mission creep," and would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible. We had been unable to find Noriega in Panama, which we knew intimately. We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq. The coalition would instantly have collapsed, the Arabs deserting it in anger and other allies pulling out as well. Under those circumstances, furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-cold war world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the U.N.'s mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the U.S. could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land. It would have been a dramatically different--and perhaps barren--outcome."
-GEORGE BUSH SR.

MOTHERFUCKERS!

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

300 civilians are dead, 1000 Iraqis are dead and 60 Allied soldiers are dead......half from friendly fire and accidents. Tell me who the hell wins here? This "war" has only lasted a week and already almost 1500 people are dead....probably more.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

You guys are fucking idiots. So what if Fat Mike didn't say anything 12 years ago in the first Gulf War, maybe he wasn't so into politics as he is now. Give me one good reason why it matters. Besides, he's been writing political oriented songs since back when "So long..." came out. Atleast he is offering up an alternative to the right wing zealots we have all over tv now. I don't give a shit if his Bias is to the left, the entire history of the United States has been liberal since its inception. Because it's always been about progression and people. Fuck you, you apathetic, cynical peices of shit.
-Jay

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:hres153:

I'm moving.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Too bad little punk kids blindly listen to a guy like Fat Mike for political views. They used to be fun and as someone else said, great up to Punk in Drublic. Bill Clinton took us to war but you never heard Fat Mike bitching then. Typical anti-Republican dribble that carries little weight. ALL GOVERNMENT SUCKS FAT MIKE. WAKE UP!!

yourfavoritebandsucks (March 27, 2003)

"New Boobs" and "Beer Bong" to soap box political warrior. What was his stance on the first gulf war? Or on anything else for that matter. Sounds like a bandwagon jumping attention hog to me. NOFX has done nothing good since Punk In Drublic. Please stop preaching and start singing about lesbians again.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

I guess, somehow, I should know why you don't like Fat Mike. Whatever, don't explain then. Just make a comment with no backing it up with thoughts for now on.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

"support" and "get"...man I sound like a retard.

-sickboi

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Waste:

While I generally do not suppoty hippie endeavors, got the Ben and Jerry's Peanut Butter Cup Icecream. You'll thank me later.

-sickboi

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

"Let's hear why you don't take him seriously."

If you don't already know, explaining it to you would be futile (thus a waste of my time). I already wasted my time reading this review, fuck

waste_elite (March 27, 2003)

"It aint got nothing on Peanut Butter cup ice cream. Oh man."

they make that shit?

snap...

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Let's hear why you don't take him seriously.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

"i am sick of all you fucks saying stupid things like "why cant someone be a punk and still support bush?"
what the fuck is wrong with you people? are you paying any attention whatsoever? are you from houston? go buy a creed CD you fucking republicans."

You sir, are a fucking moron. How old are you, 15? Shut the fuck up bitch. After reading fat mike's bullshit on punkvoter.com, I could never take that guy seriously (I never really could in the first place)

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

It aint got nothing on Peanut Butter cup ice cream. Oh man.

-sickboi

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Chocolate Chip Mint ice cream is the bomb.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

http://www.turnleft.com/rush/debate.html

This is a funny list of typical neo-conservative rules of debate which are hilarious (and sadly) true.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

by the way, Nicaragua DOES have a democracy... but not due to U.S. effort--the U.S. were on the side of the dictator. Now that tells you a little about what the US thinks about trying to make countries into democracies: the gov't doesn't give a shit about making a country better or helping the citizens of another country, it just wants to profit off of that country, and it has to have a reason besides just financial gain, so it tells the public that it is trying to "bring peace and democracy" to another country. What bullshit. Yeah, let's bomb a country, so they can see how great democracy is. I'm sure those people dying over there are really loving the democracy that the US represents right now.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Www. Fair. Org - read it motherfuckers!

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Cathy Breen, a 54-year-old nurse from New York City who's been in Baghdad for five months, described yesterday what she saw during a visit to the city's Yermuke Hospital: A 2-year-old killed when a rocket shattered her house; an 8-year-old, his head and abdomen wrapped in gauze, who lost three family members, including his father; a 10-year-old with multiple broken bones who waited a day to be brought to hospital.

"It's the most tragic thing I have ever seen," she said.

"It is a slaughter. I have no words left to describe it." Breen said an Iraqi friend told her: "Tell your president to stop talking about humanitarian aid.

"Tell your president to shut up. Our lives, our houses are being destroyed."

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Frank is my favorite Trading Spacer.

sickboi (March 27, 2003)

Wyzo likes Trading Spaces...heheh. Didn't you get the memo thats its all about Iron Chef?

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

"jay - no evidence of the zionist roots of the iraq war? see iraqwar.org and for godsakes - read more."

I don't think there is enough substantial evidence that would make me believe Jews are behind this war. Sure, there are interests, but I don't see it. Thanks for the advice, but I do read, quiet a bit actually.
-Jay

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Punk, I don't know why the hell you're talking to me about that.
-Jay

jfluck (March 27, 2003)

ATTENTION REVIEWERS: Get over your fucking political stances for once and just rate the album.

punky (March 27, 2003)

To jay,
The United States makes and sells more arms than any other country in the world. It is also the only nation to have dropped atomic bombs on civilian populations. And traditionally it has always been at war with somebody.(Attacking 22 nations since WW II) Who is it that threatens world peace? Iraq?
Don't make me laugh...
So Iraq does not heed UN resolutions? And what about Bush, who has just dealt the most resounding blow ever to international legality? And what about Israel, the leading specialist in ignoring UN resolutions?
Mind you, Iraq has ignored 17 UN resolutions,while Israel 64. Will Bush bomb his most loyal ally?

No blood for anything...

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

this is alright, but mr.brett's guitar playing has gone downhill, and graffins lyrics are way heavy on bad puns.

Kid dynamite were the new circle jerks kind of how while you were out is the new trading spaces.

wyzo

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Once again,to all who think this shite is remotely any good... Go listen to the new f-minus... That makes this sound like your sisters pin-up boy band crap... Keep it comin'-oldpunker-

hubitcherkokov (March 27, 2003)

This EP is amazing.

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Addendum: damn mother-fucking straight power to the people! I signed that petition and look where it got us! Maybe Scott realized how completely fucking shitty that American Hi-Fi review was? Wasn't their one-hit wonder "hit" called "Flavor Of The Week." HAHAHAHAHAHA, how fucking ironic...

-El Vaquero

Anonymous (March 27, 2003)

Strung Out did change buddy, for the worse too. I still love them though (and have the new cd), now let me tell you why and how they changed: They branched out a lot, too much. They tried some lighter fare, they tried some hardcore. But, it wasn't Strung Out. On the Sonic Defiance EP, they progressed to a heavier sound while still retaining that delicious technical SO flavor. So, they lost their lovin' sound, oh well, they still rock hard.

Yes, Republicans and Capitalists: do fuck off, won't you? Thanks a bunch.

Yes the Lawrence Arms Fat release is 200% better than their other LPs. I play Apathy and Exhaustion around 3 times a day now. Their splits are pretty incredible too, I think that Chris' songwriting peaked around Nebraska, Faintly Falling Ashes, and 100 Resolutions. I think Brendan still has many a song to sing, this can only mean one thing: fuckin kick-ass cd comin up soon.

Kid Dynamite was good, but one of the best punk bands? Maybe not... "Death and Taxes" is a great song though.

-El Vaquero
(The day that the Lawrence Arms sell out is the day I eat my own ball sack, pinky swear)

moldy (March 27, 2003)

the protests worked the bold reviews are gone power to the mother fucking people

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

this CD is ok, i cant wait for the LP. franco un-american is A
i would just like to tell the asshat a few comments below me to take a fucking look at FAT and tell me that it is Fat Mike who is encouraging bands like No Use to abandone their old (good) music and write trendy crap. I agree that there a few bands on FAT trying to sell out, but FAT Mike has such bad relations with MTV that they cant even get their videos played. No Use has recently sunken to a whole new level of horse shit. I really doubt that fat mike actually likes their new music. You cant blame Fat Mike or Fat Wreck. Blame No Use, and if you wish strung out, but i dont think strung out's music really changed THAT much. No Use's music used to be kinda hardcore. Now Tony's voice sounds like he got castrated. What a pussaaay. I went to go see them play in denver recently and they were trying to get the whole crowd to sing harmonies in the background like they were fucking mxpx or some pussy shit. that did not come from FAT!!!
Fat has signed some great new bands lately that arent bent on fame and fortune like Dillinger Four and Against Me! and Fat does not suck. You could say Epitaph sucks just because Millencolin started to suck and they signed that new crappy band the transplants, but you don't, do you?
love, kevin furlong

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

i am sick of all you fucks saying stupid things like "why cant someone be a punk and still support bush?"
what the fuck is wrong with you people? are you paying any attention whatsoever? are you from houston? go buy a creed CD you fucking republicans.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Johnny Ramone really DOESN'T have that much honor... I mean, yeah, he's a fuckin Ramone, but what does that ammount to? Just some kid from New Yaaaaawk with a guitar who played in an amazing band. Really, "integrity-wise", Tommy is probably the better Ramone...

Pro-war people have proved themselves to be tools time and time again... "Move to another country if you dont like it here!" Yeah, I'll do that, puppet... Just move to France (which really is a very nive country) and ignore problems in my old country because if I dont agree with some Bushite, then I'm un-fucking-American.

dropkick (March 26, 2003)

if u like political music buy it if u dont and u like more of the older nofx stuff skip it

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

The original title was "2nd best album" - judging by el hefe's teaser - it sounds about right - good stuff.

jay - no evidence of the zionist roots of the iraq war? see iraqwar.org and for godsakes - read more.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"Why, of course, the people don't want war.Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

"But in a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

"That is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

-Hermann Goering, nazi official, 1946.

President Bush shouldn't listen to a nazi.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

i could careless what those big gayfers say about the ep , i liked it it was fuckin good,the only reason those people dont like it is cause they spent to much time listening to gay music like queen, or sting, they're probably just on there period .That stuff is good , i listen to it when i take a crap.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

dillinger 4 turned to shit...got an earwax clog jerkface.

Ramo
(mosh 4 hay-sus)

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

you know you're fucking bored when you've read every single comment on this review. hahahhhaahh ohhhh im lonely.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Well, that's just your opinion. The Lawrence Arms CD was about 200% better than any of their other ones before Fat.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

do yourself a favor and never buy a fat wreck chords release again. i grew up listening to all those bands but it is safe to say that the label has turned to shit. strung out, no use, those new albums were worse than the "punk rock" you see on Mtv. from what i have heard the new lagwagon even sounds bad. dillinger 4 turned to shit when they signed to fat. they used to talk shit about blink 182 but now there shit is even more catchy and watered down. now jay from one of the best punk bands i have ever heard(kid dynamite) is starting some shitty pop punk band on fat. everything fat touches turns to shit. i have given them so many chances and have been let down so many times. i used to respect the fact that these bands stuck with fat when it was obvious that they could be making more money if they signed to a major label but now they might as well because there music is no better than the blinks and sum 45s on mtv. just had to get that off my chest. i still love ya jay(KD) but none more black....so dissapointed. it even sounded weak live. oh well. the safest bet is to stick w/east coast music, because you guys over there on the west coast seem to sing about your achy breaky hearts to much. jus jokes. iz jus fooln yalls. much love. FAT IS DEAD. fat mike please dont let any more decent bands sign to your label. its time to hang it up. and keep the east coast over here. by the way i havent heard this cd. i hope fat can prove me wrong cuz i could definitley go for another ill lagwagon release. the decline was ill, i think fat died somewhere after that.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/4/starr-p.html

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"For those who genuinely believe we can turn Iraq into a "beacon of freedom," the great precedents are the democratization of Japan and Germany after 1945, but these examples point up how long and costly such an undertaking might be. American forces occupied Japan for seven years, and West Germany did not become fully sovereign until 1955; both countries were long barred from fully rearming, and for decades the United States assumed much of the burden of their defense from the Soviet Union. The Japanese and German cases, moreover, are not parallel with Iraq in the most elementary respects: World War II had extinguished fascism, whereas a war in Iraq will leave undemocratic regimes standing throughout the region and inflame the forces most hostile to America."

Food for thought for all you Liberate Iraq idiots.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

I'm assuming the comment about quoting people was a joke because it was so stupid it had to be. Otherwise, the war will cost $75 billion and counting. Another civil war? I seriously hope that one was a joke.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

this kid below me is canadian

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

I'll quote you "I'm a fucking idiot"

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"what's with the quoting what other people just said...that's so dumb"

---man you are so right

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

what's with the quoting what other people just said...that's so dumb

i just want to know if anyone knows how much money we're spending on this war?
and how much of that WAR FUND is going to the "in-house" security, cause of dumb shit protesters who won't cooperate with anything?

a nation divided...$100 says we have another civil war and shit

somebody quote me...

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

no matter what the fuck you say or do, this war is going to go on however george w. wants it to. so lets just bite the bullet and fuckin stop it with this protest bullshit. shut up and get a fuckin life."

You get a life you imbicile. That is the biggest load of shit I've heard today. Yeah, don't protest, be silent, don't speak up for what you believe. I shouldn't even be responding to this idiocy.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

fat mike mustve had the people who post on this message board in mind when he wrote "idiots are taking over over"
-max

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

ahahahahahahahha...all of you got your info from MOMMY and DADDY...you don't have a clue as what's going on..."THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT LIVES WERE LOST ON 9-11, BUT WE CAN PUT THAT OFF FOR NOW...IRAQ IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE"...what's the matter with you kids. i don't know about the JEW thing, that seems a little far fetched, but it does seem kind of coincedental that the UNITED NATIONS won't back us, saying that they don't agree with our reason for war...and it wasn't the JEWS that were oppressed in BABYLONIA...do some homework@the kid who said something about that...

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

will you assholes quit talking about the fucking war? this part of the site is for comments regarding a NOFX review. shut the fuck up about your stupid ass protests you stupid fucks. i've got news for you... no matter what the fuck you say or do, this war is going to go on however george w. wants it to. so lets just bite the bullet and fuckin stop it with this protest bullshit. shut up and get a fuckin life.

waste_elite (March 26, 2003)

also, i don't understand you kids trashing epitaph, fat wreck, fat mike, nofx etc on the grounds that they are "only giving one side of the debate"? that has got to be the dumbest thing i've ever heard, what you mean to say is "they don't agree with me so i'm pissed off at them".

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,669961,00.ht ml

lieutenant (March 26, 2003)

Comrades, fight back. For the good of your nation. Don't let this be a quiet riot.

waste_elite (March 26, 2003)

limbaugh is a hack. i'd love to see him debate someone that actually knows what he's talking about.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"the JEWS have something to gain by this WAR (holy land)"

wow you are an idiot. there is no land in iraq holy to the jews. the jews were oppressed in babylonia for many long years. the land is in no way holy. there may be archeological sites but we're already digging them up. seriously dude, where did you get your info?

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

We're fighting with Iraq because of different reasons that I stated, so that's why we've ignored the Bin Laden issue. I think we both know that, but our reasons for the war differ.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Ok I see. Well, I don't think I buy it. The connection between the holy land and Iraq has a small impact. I'm going with American imperialism or oil or both for this one. The evidence is there and pissing off the world to please the Jews just doesn't make sense to me. I see a higher purpose for this.
-Jay

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

don't confuse what i'm saying...i'm not saying that the JEWS are behind the war...i'm saying that just like in POLITICS, the old saying "you scratch my back i'll scratch yours" is in effect...like i said the JEWS have something to gain by this WAR (holy land) and the US has something to gain (OIL)...i asked earlier...what HAPPENED TO OSAMA BIN LADIN and the AFGHANI'S?...isn't that who they said bombed the WORLD TRADE CENTER?...if so why are we fighting a war with a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT COUNTRY?

AMERICA is helpin the JEWS get what they want while the JEWS are helping AMERICA get what they want

that's what i'm saying (not that this war is fought by the jews)

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

No, I def. don't think politics are on the level. What I do think, however, is that the jews do have political pull and a great deal of it. I also recognize why they do etc. But I just can't find any hard facts that says the Jews are behind this war. I can see all the other reasons, but not this one.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

the italian mob doesn't really exist anymore...people like HENRY HILL ratted out most of the BIG NAMES, and as a result the industry of organized crime died out...but if you remember where ever there was a ITALIAN mob figure...there were jews runnin the books and legitamte business...the jews didn't get indicted or sent to jail, they're still out there doing what the ITALIANS did.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

JFK was behind in the PRIMARY ELECTION in '61 by almost 37%, but once he got his brother-in-law (PETER LAWFORD, who was a close friend of FRANK SINATRA) to have some of his friends help out his campaign...he jumped out in front by almost 25% and won the election because of the (financial) contributions that were made on the part of SINATRA(who had mob ties).

it has happened before.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

answer me this:

do you think that politics is stricly on the level?

how many MAJOR COMPANIES out there do you think are JEW owned?

let say any one of them (JEWISH OWNED COMPANIES)makes a big financial contribution to a presidential campaign, do you think that the candidate gets that contribution for free?

how many NEW POLITICAL OFFICIALS were appointed once BUSH got in office?

how many of those OFFICIALS do you think are jewish?

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

To the guy talking about Jews running America: your theory is a little far-fetch. Although Jews do have a great deal of political pull their power stops at having the US on their side in the Middle East. There is bascially no evidence around otherwise, besides crazy conspiracy theories. I've thought about that and the evidence just isn't there. There are a few simple connections that can be made, but otherwise I just don't see it. Unless you have some more proof, I'd be interested in seeing it.
-Jay

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

To jeb - hey, asshole, I'm not american and I don't know how you spell most of those country names in english. Believe it or not, americans are not the only one connected to the internet.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

You know what I would love to see? Instead of some average pro-war person who DOESN'T talk about politics all day long debate Limbaugh, we could have someone with a brain and an idea of history who did. Then you would see how much of a peice of shit he is. There have been countless books pointing out his lies and spin and severe bias. He knows bascially nothing and degrades everyone like a belligerent assholes. He is a complete joke and so are his fucked up baseless views. It's almost creepy to think people actually listen to him. -Jay

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

ok how about this...bear with me:

Abraham's wife can't have kids so she asks him to impregnate her maid servant so that they might have kids (ISHMAEL), a couple of years go bye and GOD rewards Abraham by makin his wife (the one who couldn't bear kids)fertile and she has a son (ISAAC). Abraham's wife becomes jealous of her maid servant (because ABE loves ISHMAEL) so ISHMAEL and his mother are sent away never to return...ABRAHAM is told by GOD not to worry because his seeds (ISAAC and ISHMAEL) will inherit the promise land...ISAAC became the founder of the JEWISH nation and ISHMAEL the ARAB nation...and for years the two fought and fought over who was the real seed of Abraham (the jews called the arabs bastard sons of a whore)but for some reason the ARABS occupied the land that they were both promised

FAST FOWARD to now...JEWS run AMERICA (and anyone who doubts is incredibley naive) IRAQ, IRAN, SAUDI ARABIA and ISRAEL...is the land that GOD promised the JEWS and the ARABS...now ask yourself...WHY ARE WE AT WAR? WHY HAPPEND TO OSAMA BIN LADIN and the AFGHANI'S?...the jewish nation has and always have made an INCREDIBLE contribution to presidential campaigns, there hasn't been a president since that hasn't had the support of the JEWS in america. SO WHY ARE WE AT WAR?

jews want the arabs out, so they can posses the land for themselves...ask yourself why do the ARABS fight against an army that is without a doubt bigger and stronger and more advanced...cause they're fighting for sacred ground...

it's right in front of your face...OPEN YOUR EYES.

FortyMinutesWest (March 26, 2003)

Apparently war supporters hate former Pittsburgh Penguins defenseman Ian Moran:

http://members.cox.net/lazarus33/protestormoron.jpg

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Seriously, the links page has links to rushlimbaugh.com - can't much more stupid than that.

FortyMinutesWest (March 26, 2003)

I support the troops, but that site is just bullshit.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

The site is more food for thought than anything else. They've gone to the anti-war rallies to hold their debates. If you want a real war debate, go and listen to Rush Limbaugh, he's not my favorite but every anti-war protestor that I've heard, has gotten shot down.

I'd rather go to that site than say, oh, What Really Happened or some other leftist b.s.

Besides. Support the troops whether you support the war or not.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

oops, I meant JAY

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Great, more garbage. www.protestwarrior.com is hilarious. It's gotten to the point where this shit is starting to be funny, and that is sad. This is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. These pussies can't even have a real debate. This site doesn't even have any facts on it and it looks like it was made by a bunch of immature middleschoolers, just like most people on the right.
-Jat

FortyMinutesWest (March 26, 2003)

That site is complete bullshit. They use the old "pro peace, hate america" rhetoric, please. War ended communism? Thats news to me?

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

www.protestwarrior.com

Open your eyes from this leftist bullshit.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Its ok but i still hang on to "Punk In Drublic" and "White Trash Two Heebs and A Bean" for now.

Ramo
(off to freedom kiss a girl)

FortyMinutesWest (March 26, 2003)

"I would give the guy who posted all those countries more credibility if he had spelled them correctly."

The facts were right, the spelling is irrelevant.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

RIBBED is still the best.

check out CANNIBAL OX - The Cold Vein
Mr Lif - Enters the Colluses
Jedi Mind Tricks - Violent By Design
Atoms Family - The Prequel
Heltah Skeltah - Nocturnal
311 - Music
311 - Grassroots
311 - S/T
311 - Transistor
311 - Soundsystem
311 - From Chaos
Deftones - White Pony
Tool - Opiate

def jux baby

crazyjeb (March 26, 2003)

I would give the guy who posted all those countries more credibility if he had spelled them correctly.

jeb

SomeoneElse (March 26, 2003)

"this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org."

your absolutly right. if anyone really thinks that their opinion matters, than take it to action, dont talk about it with a bunch of other people across the internet who will just call you a mall punk anyways.
and this nofx e.p. rules. yes, that is the original topic believe it or not.

FortyMinutesWest (March 26, 2003)

Exactly, what makes anyone think Iraq will be different.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

ok, let's cut the crap and consider facts.

Fact 1: Bush says he wants to "free the people of Iraq".

Fact 2: Here's a list of countries that were bombed by the US since 1945:
China 1945-46, Corea 1950-53, China 1950-53, Guatemala 1954, Indonesia 1958, Cuba 1959-60, Guatemala 1960, Congo 1964, Peru 1965, Laos 1964-73, Vietnam 1961-73, Cambodge 1969-70, Guatemala 1967-69, Grenade 1983, Lybia 1986, Salvador 1980, Nicaragua 1980,, Panama 1989, Iraq 1991-99, Soudan 1998, Afghanistan 1998, Yougoslavia 1999

Fact 3: Guess in which of these countries a democratic government has emerged after the US attacks?
Don't try too hard, the answer is zero.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

You guys opened my eyes, i just love nofx now, they really kick ass, i feel good about myself for the first time in 15 years!
maybe i will even drop the whole "i write in caps because it makes me feel bigger" thing. Just give me time. -oldpunker

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org"

Thanks, I appreciate that comment. I mean, I think I accomplished alot in the last 3 days. I went to an anti-war protest on Sunday. Yesterday, you know, worked most of the day and started putting together the preliminary drafts and taking the necessary steps to get my town to pass a resolution against the patriot act. Today, worked, came home.... made plans to get to Boston on Saturday for the anti-war protest. I think I'm accomplishing things, even if I do take a few hours before bedtime to catch up on punknews.org. I think everyone has something to say, why not listen and debate if needed?

greg0rb (March 26, 2003)

Wow is all I can say. Too bad all these hits are just people coming back to defend themselves against the backlash of comments they are sure to get no matter what they say. By the way, what's with all the random NOFX comments? Heh. Seriously though I think there are more comments that DONT mention NOFX than those that do. It's all good though.
-Greg

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

damn right i am complaining...the ridiculaous things that i have read here are amazing...a website hosted for a "community"??...yeah right...got you to react though didn't I???...thanks

And then, you reacted to me... Booyah.

You're too funny. Funny like a bunny.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

i used to love epitaph records...but i can't stand onesidedness

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org

Way to waste your time complaining."

damn right i am complaining...the ridiculaous things that i have read here are amazing...a website hosted for a "community"??...yeah right...got you to react though didn't I???...thanks

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

everyone here is really going far...all you can do is argue...nobody can possibly say they have the real facts...honestly...so give it up...republican/democrat who gives a damn

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org

Way to waste your time complaining.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

NOFX blows.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

this is the largest group of wannabe politicians and educated commentators i have ever seen...what a joke...instead of wasting your views here try and make a difference somewhere that counts...way to flex your intellectual prowess on punknews.org

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

waste_elite is a dipshit

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

Tom Daschle is a complete half-ass. He supports this war, doesn't he? In addition, he argues over pretty much everything Bush does, including some things of relative merit. I'm a left-wing Democrat but I really don't like Tom Daschle either. It's just the impression he gives.

waste_elite (March 26, 2003)

why do you hate Tom Daschle? i want to hear this.

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

"and, for the record, Tom Daschle is a douchebag. I seriously cannot stand him."

finally someone who else thinks that

Anonymous (March 26, 2003)

fat mike mustve done something right if he started all this pro and anti war dialog....

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

We supported ex-nazis who trained death squads in Latin America, so don't doubt that our new government will kill people. We knowlingly supported regimes that literally left rivers choked with the dead in countries like El Salvador, or how about the massacres in East Timor?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

and the halliburton thing is horrid. cheney still has business affiliations and it's so very obvious. that man frustrates me very much. i want him to go away.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

true, our government we set up will probably be sub-par, but i have a feeling we won't slaughter anyone that speaks out. maybe the business oriented government will even bring some money to the country and the people might get to use some of it, rather than strictly just the head honcho? i doubt their conditions will be as good as ours, but i still think it would be an improvement. i don't know for sure, but that is my guess.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"How, by installing a puppet government that only cares about business interests? Our track record is terrible."

The first government contract to rebuild Iraq was given today. It went to Halliburton. Cheney is the former CEO of the company.

this is also interesting.....

http://www.judicialwatch.org/2221.shtml

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

How, by installing a puppet government that only cares about business interests? Our track record is terrible.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

same person from below here. i forgot to mention. yes, we did help put saddam in power and supported him way too long. we did make a huge error there. we can not change that we did that, so why not try to make up for it?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

my views.

i'm fairly neutral about the war. i think bush's reasoning is absolutely horrid, and he is really a subpar president. unfortunately, i do believe this war needed to happen. i think we may be going overboard on the firepower, but saddam is an awful man. if bush was like him, all the anti-bush people would be put to death. violently, being shreded or tortured. speech in iraq is so limited, and that is why you don't hear iraqis ever speaking out against saddam. saddam has also violated a un resolution since the gulf war. he blew off inspections for years, and his sanctions were ignored by other countries, and he went on with it. we gave him more time, numerous times. towards the end, he started destroying weapons he claimed not to have. he also claimed not to have the scud missles the iraqis have used. bush's reasoning is ridiculous, and the al-queda connection is very very weak. also, his plea of the iraqis to not set oil wells on fire was fairly suspicious. i don't believe the war is completely about oil, but good way to make everyone suspicious, bush.

also, the war has started, and to stop it now would be pretty horrible for iraq. the country would be left in shambles with an angry leader. his people would be treated even worse, or if he is dead, his sons would have a scramble for power, possibly starting a civil war. at this point, i believe the best we can do is support our troops, hope for minimal casualties, a quick end, and bush to prove himself to be better than i expect of him. i am trying my best to have faith in our government, though it is hard sometimes. i guess we'll just see, eh?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Right on waste!

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

Great post

waste_elite (March 25, 2003)

ok, i'm going to come out and say that if you are pro-war, you are ignorant. please, enlighten me to what this war is REALLY about? i find it funny that the bush administration has played several cards in order to sell the war to the american public. first it was the possibility of them possessing weapons of mass destruction, then it became a humanitarian effort, then it was accusing iraq of being linked to al qaeda.

please...

weapons of mass destruction? first of all, there hasn't been any conclusive proof that Iraq does in fact possess these weapons. second of all, if these weapons do exist, when do you think iraq is most apt to use them? an american invasion sure seems like an open invitation to fire away does it not? don't get me started on the whole concept of a "pre-emptive" attack. if you justify this war by saying that iraq could POSSIBLY be a threat in the future, than that opens up an entire new can of worms. we could, in essence, declare war on half of the world because they "could" be a threat to us.

this war is not a humanitarian effort. did you happen to know that we, the united states, are in fact very responsible for saddam hussein being in power today. in 1963, it was a main concern of the west to rid iraq if its then dictator Abdel Karim Kassem. we were instrumental in his removal and in placing his successors, the baath party, in power. why the baath party? well, they were a strong anti-communist force. you have to remember that this was 1963, the red scare was in full effect. now here is a kicker, the CIA provided the new regime with a list of suspected communists and leftists currently living within iraq. what resulted was a bloodbath, they systematically rooted out and killed hundreds, possibly thousands, of innocent people all with the support of the united states government. anyway, long story short, member of the baath party, Saddam Hussein quickly rose to power with full support from washington. Saddam has always been evil, he's been committing full scale atrocites from the moment he's been in power, and we've just turned a blind eye to it (and occassionally supported it!) because it was in our interest to do so. don't let our buddy George W convince you into believing we are doing this for the liberation of the Iraqi people. also, here's an interesting note: Bush Sr. authorized loan guarantees and the sales of advanced technology with clear applications for weapons of mass destruction all the way up to Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. hmmm...

i have yet to hear from an iraqi that is happy about this war. i can't see anyone jumping up and down as bombs drop all around them, shouting "freedom!". no, not at all. and if you look at our track record for nation building, the iraqis should be very worried about our eventual occupation.

and now we are trying to link Saddam with al qaeda. why? well, it plays on the fears of the american public. we are on whole still enraged by 9/11, and if saddam is in bed with terrorists, then the public is sure to be gung-ho for this war. let's ignore the fact that there has been no conclusive evidence supporting this case.

alright, i'm done typing. go out and educate yourself.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Political parties are a waste of time.

Let people think for themselves.

and, for the record, Tom Daschle is a douchebag. I seriously cannot stand him. Same goes for Ari Fleischer.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"Don't be a smart ass. If you don't know, I mean liberal political views. Democrats. No liberal views are not bad. I vote on many democratically pressed issues. My point was that the website doesn't give you but one point of view. "

Liberal democrats aren't really liberal. It's just a formality I believe. Republicans and Democrats really aren't too much different with there views. Some issues definately, but they are so close it's hard to differentiate. I look at Joe Lieberman who's is from my state. He calls himself a Democrat but I just can't see the difference.

My big question is to people support the Republican party. Why do you support the Republican party? What issues do you stand behind?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved."

that chemical plant was just a chemical plant. There were no weapons there. They did admit to having that plant and it hasn't been used since the eighties. And about that coalition force, only a few of those countries are actually giving military aid. Most of the countries on the force disagree with the war but are providing humanitarian (i can't spell) aid for the citizens of Iraq.

and to the NOFX release, i very much enjoyed the songs and look forward to their new album.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Yeah, but what else would you expect. It is a shame, I agree.

SomeoneElse (March 25, 2003)

"Don't be a smart ass. If you don't know, I mean liberal political views. Democrats. No liberal views are not bad. I vote on many democratically pressed issues. My point was that the website doesn't give you but one point of view."

neither does the gop's website, and i find that much more threatening than punkvoter.com.

SomeoneElse (March 25, 2003)

well, i didnt know this was such a big deal that a petition had to be involved.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

According to Webster....

Liberal: BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

that doesn't sound so bad to me.....

I don't make these definitions up.....

Don't be a smart ass. If you don't know, I mean liberal political views. Democrats. No liberal views are not bad. I vote on many democratically pressed issues. My point was that the website doesn't give you but one point of view.

bruceless (March 25, 2003)

ATTN: Punknews.org readers:

Sign this petition here regarding the new bold print review listing system.
Keep in mind, this aims for a real goal but has been created in with a sense of humor and the awareness of the actual (lack of) urgency of this situation. Though for the record, I mean every notion this petition suggests. Thank you.

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

"this is not a smart ass comment...what exactly does leaning towards Marxism mean?..i honestly do not know so please educate me
"

Read the Communist manifesto and see what I mean. I'd be a full on communist except that I don't think human nature will allow it to work.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"What's worst of all? Punkvoter.com allows you to register to vote. So when you've gotten your full of liberally biased information, you can line up behind the rest of them."

According to Webster....

Liberal: BROAD-MINDED; especially : not bound by authoritarianism, orthodoxy, or traditional forms

that doesn't sound so bad to me.....

I don't make these definitions up.....

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

your FILL... FILL

my bad.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

What's worst of all? Punkvoter.com allows you to register to vote. So when you've gotten your full of liberally biased information, you can line up behind the rest of them.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

By the way, the album is growing on me. Went from 4 to 6. Still, not that great though.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

DUHHHH ME SOO DUMMMM! ME ANTI-WAR BUTT NOT UNDRSTAD WAR AN STUFF! ME TOO STOOPIDD! REEL LIF TOO COMPLIKADED FOR ME! ME NOT THINK RITE WITH CURRENT EVENT AN STUFF! TOO MUCH PRAPAGANDA FOR MI HED! OW OW OW! HURT HED! DUHHHHHHHH!

Please. When you write something like that, YOU'RE the one that sounds like a moron. Being pro-war as well, don't discredit my opinion by making an ass out of yourself.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Duhhhh me soo dummmm! me anti-war butt not undrstad war an stuff! me too stoopidd! reel lif too complikaded for me! me not think rite with current event an stuff! too much prapaganda for mi hed! ow ow ow! hurt hed! duhhhhhhhh!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i agree!!

bruceless (March 25, 2003)

Hopefully, the heat has died down. Regardless, I will repeat a point made earlier which may have gone lost unnoticed in a hay of comments. (I may just as well be a fool for re-posting in the potentially current busiest page, but...)
Now the question pondered by many...
Frankly, I believe I speak for many when I promote that we just get rid of the bolded lettering. All it does is create barriers in a "community" where all are supposedly as equal as the other. Especially when it comes down to deciding who is worth the bold print. As this is a web site for the kids, I believe there is a strong majority vote that we rid of the new lettering. I know I'm not alone. Consider it.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

and really, by bitching and complaining about fat mike and punkvoter.com, your doing more for his cause than you think. if you really want to make a statement about fat mike, ignore him and continue on with your lives.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved."

finally.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"Change only occurs if people actually try and change it."

that is what this war is about

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i noticed something. for every one nofx fan, theres 10 who think nofx sucks. i myself have always been a big fan of nofx, even when it's cool to hate them.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"the whole point behind telling someone to leave is that if you don't like or believe in the country that you live in then why live here...why not go to live in whatever country that you want that is so much better that life here...wherever that is, is fine...there is no reason to be down on this country when you are free to go"

You completely missed the point. We as human beings could have it so much better. Change only occurs if people actually try and change it. I mean rebellion was what this country was founded upon. This war is estimated to cost 75 billion dollars. There are 75 billion things here at home that the money could be used for.

-AHI

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

How many of you anti-war people understand what the war is really about? My guess is none. The invasion of Iraq is to remove Saddam from power because he is and has been violating the agreement he made with the UN after the Gulf War. Didn't any of you read that they found a 100 acre chemical plant? Didn't Saddam say that he didn't have any? Also, understand for those of you that are mislead to believe that it's the US invasion of Iraq guess again. Why do you think that it is being called a coalition force? I'll tell you. It's because there are over 40 countries involved.

Yes, you do have a right to speak out, but everyone also has an asshole. Does that allow you to shit where ever you want? Stop for a minute and research the facts and disreguard all opinion before you make your choice on things.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I just wish that Fat Mike would let people think for themselves and give sides to both stories instead spewing out this anti-Bush crap.

The sad thing is, he'd support any Democrat in office as long as Bush isn't in there.

Same goes with this shit with Epitaph, show both sides. Stop spewing out this anti-war bullshit and start presenting the real facts of the situation and let people decide for themselves. I'm pro-war, and I've seen both sides (and was once anti-war). But damnit, in all their newsletters it's always something anti-war or anti-Bush. I'm fucking tired of it and so are many other people.

Fuck you Fat Mike and Epitaph.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

hahaha, AstroVince has SLATFATS. Howard Stern should grade himself next. Talk about no talent.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I think the general sentiment is:NOFX, please stop. You're giving me hot face.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

the whole point behind telling someone to leave is that if you don't like or believe in the country that you live in then why live here...why not go to live in whatever country that you want that is so much better that life here...wherever that is, is fine...there is no reason to be down on this country when you are free to go

AstroVince (March 25, 2003)

NOFX? No talent.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

no, the beauty of it is, i speak out, and if people dont agree with me then i have the RIGHT to leave.. but telling people to leave is as ignorant as not understanding the importance of freedom of speech.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"if you don't like it go live in Baghdad...or France or somewhere else far from the "wimp fucks"...I love this country "

This is a great country to live in.... The beauty of it all is that we can speak out. We also SHOULD speak out. If you can't deal with that, then maybe you should leave.

-AHI

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Yes, good media that's not for profit.....

www.zmag.org

www.indymedia.org

good places to start..... Let me take off my cape and put my glasses back on. Let me clarify a little. Newspapers and such only report so much. TV stations only report so much. What's good for readership and ratings and more importantly, MONEY.... Support your independent news sources....

-AHI

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i hope everyone knows that iraqi forces were killing their own countrymen today for speaking out as we are allowed to do

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

funny the international red cross is reporting collateral damage in the single digits and injured civilians less than 50...i don't know of anyone sitting at home making fun of dead iraqis...civilian numbers are a part of war...a sad one but inevitable...I believe we lost some civilians in the world trade center and many muslim people overseas did rejoice in that..please get things straight before illustrating your ignorance....where do you want Americans to be other than in their suburban homes...if you don't like it go live in Baghdad...or France or somewhere else far from the "wimp fucks"...I love this country

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

This war is going as I figured it would. Already the civilian casualties are almost equal to the amount of soldiers dead. Today 300 Iraqi soldiers were killed in a battle.....somewhere around 40 americans/british have been killed, half by friendly fire and accidents. And an estimate between 170 and 278 civilians have been killed. Women and children, taxis have been blown up. I don't see how this solves anything. In the end their will probably be thousands of dead civilians and thousands of dead soldiers and MAYBE (but unlikely) a captured Sadam. All the while ignorant little wimp fucks in the US will sit safely in their suburban neighborhoods making fun of dead Iraqis. Damn, this world sickens me. What will this war acoomplish? Nothing, not a goddamn thing. I would call Bush a pig, but I wouldn't want to insult the animal in that way.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"crass fan and total fucking dickhead? isnt that an oxymoron?"

stellar retort

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i would like that guy a few down suggest to us what his "non-media for profit" sources are so we can get all the facts, as he must have them

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

crass fan and total fucking dickhead? isnt that an oxymoron?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

the 7" has only tracks 2 and 3. those are the best ones i would say, but i dunno which one i would get if i was you.

i liked this, the person who said "franco unamerican"was nofx at their most charming was great, that song rules. "the idiots are taking over" has great lyrics too, especially right after the ska part. i wish the whole song had lyrics as strong as that. track 1 mediocore addresses exactly what youre talking about with nofx sounding the same. on this song they do not, and on this ep i dont think they do. commercial is very funny and promising! i liked it.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

damn straight to that dude 2 below...how many different sources does clark kent down there check...or should I just get on the sattelite phone and call my brother who is fighting in Iraq right now in the Army 3rd Infantry Division to get the "real story"...i am sure that the citizens of Iraq are getting a clear picture of what is going on too...as they fear being tortured, raped, poisoned, having chenicals tested on them, etc. for merely speaking opinions as we are all taking advantage of having the ability to do here!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

supporting bush and being a crass fan means that i can formulate my own views from more than one source you idiot...not just from some band or magazine i read...whoa revelation huh?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

You can be pro-war and all, but where do you kids get your information? I mean media for profit just isn't gonna cut it. They only report what they want you to hear. Get ALL sides of a story before you rush to judgement. Remember that EVERYTHING is biased. Then you'll be more informed to make that decision. Watching NBC news at 11 won't help your stance. I work for a big newspaper and it's "reputable" but they only print pro american and pro war rhetoric. It's sad that the majority of people only read this stuff.....

I supposed I should trust Iraqi or French news sources? Talk about bias. Fox News and newspapers didn't tell me what to believe in. Its a matter of analyzing the facts, THEN making a judgement. I'm skeptical, but I trust an free press system more than any.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

supporting bush AND crass fan? isnt that an oxymoron?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

You can be pro-war and all, but where do you kids get your information? I mean media for profit just isn't gonna cut it. They only report what they want you to hear. Get ALL sides of a story before you rush to judgement. Remember that EVERYTHING is biased. Then you'll be more informed to make that decision. Watching NBC news at 11 won't help your stance. I work for a big newspaper and it's "reputable" but they only print pro american and pro war rhetoric. It's sad that the majority of people only read this stuff.....

On to the record. I think this stuff is strong. A little different, but not exactly departing their sound at the same time. Everything they do is recorded by Ryan Greene and mastered by Eddy Schreyer. They're obviously going for that same sound.

Musicians are musicians, they do what they do, not usually what other people want them to do. If you were the lead singer of a band, wouldn't you rather sing about what is in your head? Let it be.

It's not about old school/new school 3 chords/technical ability.... it's about passion and heart.....

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

liberal animation was one of the worst releases by a band to date...i have heard so much better in so many garages its not even funny dude!!!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

dammit...3 below this one is the one that i agree with

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

this rating is for the dude below me....i feel the exact same way and could not agree more!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

1.Liberal Animation- their hardest

I'd call it their sloppiest.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I'm a punk that's not anti-war. Take whatever stance you want, but don't judge me if I think an terrorist-training dictatorship should be taken out. It seems like too many people are anti-war because they think they should be. Watch/read the news. Before you take a stance, figure out what you're standing against. If you're still anti-war, that's fine. But know what you're standing for.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I was waiting for this review to begin, because I wanted to say that I'm incredibly disappointed. I've listened to it twice, and if this is a sample of the things to come, blah. I'll give it a few more listens, but it's never taken this long to get into a nofx album.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

riiight...because a mohawk and/or a Crass shirt makes you punk...you little image fags need to go away...oh by the way...i have a Crass shirt and sticker on my car, had a mohawk in highschool, and GASP...i supoort BUSH!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

everyone on this site keeps bitching about these "republican punks." what are you all talking about? i have never run into a kid with a mohawk or a crass shirt who supported bush. fuck, i've never even ran into a kid with a less than jake shirt who liked bush.

NOFXPunkLTJ22 (March 25, 2003)

How about this OLDPUNKER? Shut up! NOFX is 50000000000 times more talented than that old school stuff than is nothing but a chord or two each song. NOFX may not be legends of punk but they changed punk, with theyre great writing talent. Have you heard all of NOFX's CDs? Whoever is saying they sound alike is stupid and should be quite due to the fact that they dont know what they are talking about. NOFX changes each cd. Here i will list the styles of each NOFX CD.
1.Liberal Animation- their hardest
2. S & M Airlines- Great Leads, awesome riffs, old school nofx sound.
3. Ribbed- Still the old school NOFX sound, great leads awesome riffs in everysong, these guys can play.
4. White Trash Two Heebs and a Bean- a couple of joke songs, great leads again in everysong, overall probably their best, a big change from ribbed though.
5. Punk in Drublic- more of punk pop, with one or two ska tracks, overall very fast and meaningful songs, except for a couple joke songs.
6. Heavy Petting Zoo- Slower than all others, fat mike uses a laid back voice a lot, less anger, the songs are more meaningful on this though and this cd probably has their darkest lyrics, a xylophone is even on one song called "Philly Phil Philantropist."
7. So Long and Thanks For All The Shoes- More Ska, about 5 ska tracks, most with trumpets, a lot of cool ska and some harder faster stuff on this one, really cool cd, complete change in direction from where Heavy Petting Zoo left off.
8. the Decline- Punk masterpiece, 18 minute song with a little bit of everything, slow, fast, ska, punk, everythings in this.
9. Pump Up the Valuum- No more ska on this one, basically punk with more backup vocals, a decent amount of punk pop, great cd.

Now that you know all that listen to it NOFX has tons of diverse songs, even a reggae one here and there (Eat the Meek, cover of Radio) What about Mattersville with the xylophone? NOFX does many diverse things which is cool in a band. So OLDPUNKER SHUT UP YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, GO LISTEN TO YOUR THREE CHORDS AND HAVE FUN!

No to review Regaining Unconciousness, its different. Fat Mike uses a laid back voice in most of it. The first song very different, slow, kind of ska but not, they have done songs somewhat like this before though. Idiots are Taking Over is a classic NOFX song, sounds like their "general sound" if you can find one. Franco-Unamerican is weird, with the keyboards and stuff and i think even organ at one point, a lot of diversity hear. Track 4 is like a hardcore song, Melvin sings pretty cool, overall i like it but its different, the clips at the end make the war on errorism sound very incredible im very excited.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

when you think of those reasons...just let me know, i'd like to hear them

SomeoneElse (March 25, 2003)

well, anonymous, what can i say that hasnt already been said about bush. bottom line is i dont trust him. as for who i'd like to see in office, i wouldve rather had nader, and i'll leave my reasons why for another discussion.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Nice cover artwork.

- BITTER

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

the ignorance of the comment three posts down is amazing...by the way I am also neither prop bush or gore and I too do not know who I think would be a good president

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i feel that terrorism is a huge threat...i lost my aunt and uncle in the trade center attack...i never want to see anyhting like that again...so i have to respectfully disagree...i believe education is important as I am a law student...I beleive that the environment is another worthwhile concern...but terrorism not being important is something i can never agree with.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

this is not a smart ass comment...what exactly does leaning towards Marxism mean?..i honestly do not know so please educate me

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

You're a true moron if like Bush OR Gore. If you are so blind as to not see the complete idiociy which is George Bush then you need medical help. Bush is just a silver spoon fed rich boy who doesn't know ANYTHING about what the lower classes need. He could give 2 shits about your education, he wants to cut down all of our forests (I know all of you trendy punks are saying "I don't care, but you are a true moron if you think you are "too cool" to appreciate THE REASON you're alive). On top of that Bush is more concerned with "terrorists" than the REAL problems. Is terrorism REALLY that big of a threat? Hell no, you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning than dying at the hands of terrorists. But, of course, you people sheepishly accept everything you hear on Fox News and allow yourselves to be pushed into a state of fear and belief that all Arabs are "out to get you". I think you people spend too much time drinking and eating and watching TV than using your heads and educating yourself. Just because Fat Mike makes some pretty sloganistic and childish remarks.....atleast he has the right idea, and I'm sure if you asked to be serious he could make some excellent points. Afterall, at a concert do you really want to listen to a long intelligent political speech or instead some funny, quick remarks. You Pro-Bush "punks" are making excuses, not giving answers as to why you support this whitetrash moron. Oh, and about Johnny Ramone, does it really matter if he's pro-Bush? No, Joey wasn't and neither was Dee Dee and to my knowledge Marky isn't either. But were the Ramones (a great band) however really an intellectual beacon? No, Jello Biafra, Greg Graffin, Henry Rollins, Chuck D, Ice T, Noam Chomsky, etc. etc. are the rea intellectual points of punk, even though many of them are not involved with punk musically, but they carry the spirit.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

i love it when "fans" have the need to tell bands what and what not to write about. let's make this easy for everybody-just email fat mike and tell him they should stop writing songs about bush, i'm sure he'll realize the error of his ways and stop.

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

I dislike the president because of his foreign policy and his appointees. I'm not sure about who I'd rather have, perhaps Gore, this war might not be happening if Gore was in office, but that's a whole different argument altogether. I'm neither democrat nor republican, I lean slighly towards Marxism. Then again, I don't consider myself a "true punk" or anything like that.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I hate it when bands turn too political for their own good. It happened to Pennywise and now NOFX has jumped in the same bandwagon.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

word..i saw these dudes and all they did was bitch about bush...annoying and he sounds like an uneducated moron

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Fat Mike needs to drop the whole anti-Bush gimmick and get back to writing good songs. Enough of these I'm-a-Democrat-and-don't-like-a-Republican-in-the-WhiteHouse crap songs. I've seen them live twice in the past year, by far the worst band I've ever seen. They were probably once really good but when half their show is them bitching about Bush is where I find myself wondering if they know that people come to see them play not hear their politics.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

oh...P.s. i don't hate you, why all the anger and animosity...looks like a closed one track mind rearing its ugly head?.?.?.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

point taken SomeoneElse...scratch the "record" and "Band"...i would like to hear some of the reasons these "true punks" who do not support the President have for their stance...and who they would like to see in his place...anyone, anyone??

SomeoneElse (March 25, 2003)

i hate everyone on this site who thinks everyone ELSE who comments on this site has a one track mind and doesnt make a decision without first consulting song lyrics. please people, give it a rest.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I wonder who all you guys that are "true punks" because you follow what some record or band tells you and decide to be a non-Bush supporter, would suggest we elect president??...isn't this the dumbest thing you guys have ever heard??? not being "punk"...whatever that means...because you support President Bush???

bruceless (March 25, 2003)

Pardon my grammatical typ-os.

bruceless (March 25, 2003)

Now the question pondered by many...

Why the bolded font in this instance? Frankly, I believe I speak for many when I promote that we just get rid of the bolded lettering. All it does is create barriers in a "community" where are all supposed to be as equal as another. Especially when it comes down to decided who is worth the bold print. As this is a web site for the kids, I believe there is a strong majority vote that we rid of the new lettering. I know I'm not alone. Consider it.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Johnny Ramone= Republican and George W Bush Supporter

But I suppose all you "old school" punks are still gonna say he's not punk

bruceless (March 25, 2003)

These songs are NOFX at some of their highest points. NOFX have never strayed far from his pattern of pop-punk but now and then they'll turn out new, fresh songs like on this EP. Franco Un-American is NOFX at their most charming moment.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

There's a term we give "punks" who support Bush and use racial slurs.....a neo-redneck.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

alright i definitely recognize the song hardcore 84 from someone else besides nofx playing it. where did i hear this?

Vien (March 25, 2003)

Does anybody know the pressing info on that 7"? !

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Fat Mike is a musical genius, simply put. Who cares if you don't like his style or his politics, I don't like his politics at all, but considering how many albums and songs he's written by himself over the years, all of them at a level most bands just will never achieve, I think he deserves some credit. His record label didn't do too bad either. In short, NOFX, and fat Mike, rule.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I really like NOFX and cant wait to get the full length album. I hate most of the stereotypical '90s style punk-Pennywise, Lagwagon, No Use For A Name- but I love NOFX. My favorite bands are Dead Kennedys, The Clash, The Germs, NOFX, and Misfits. As you can see I like mostly "old school" but NOFX breaks that trend. This is because they are good. They write intelligent lyrics (most of the time) and good sounding music. Fat Mike is a punk rock legend just like Jello Biafra, Joe Strummer, Darby Crash, and Danzig and NOFX is one of the best punk bands ever.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

you dude's talkin about how you can't be a Bush supporter and still be punk sound like the new generation of hippies...go listen to your mom's Joan Baez records...PEACE HIPPIES!!!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

yet another boring reptitive album full of Fat Mike's unintelligent dribble and attempts at political credit...way to go guys you once again fail miserably at making a "point"...i heard it in my friends car and felt sorry that he wasted his money on another overrated release from possibly the worst band of all time...they were "neat" when i was in highschool and punk in drublic came out..."neat" at best

TheOneTrueBill (March 25, 2003)

i want the 7" becuase i'm one of those people

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

NOFX, along with AFI, are two of the most overrated bands I've ever listened to in my life. Not to say everything they do is bad, but I still don't "get it" I suppose.

NOFX's music becomes stale rather quickly, and yeah, for all you NOFX fans, I've heard all their albums up until this one.

And unlike what Scott said, I'd rather have a band progress and do something new creativly then turn out the same shit they've been doing for years, it gets old very quickly. If a band isn't willing to try something new or interesting than I think that speaks volumes of the band itself.

Anyway, I'll give this one a shot and see. But I'm not holding my breath for anything spectacular.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Freedom Fries?! HAHAHA! I saw that the other day! What a joke! France is a cool place, a beautiful country that enjoys great food......and french fries ARE NOT french anyway......so I doubt they care what some stupid fat american fucks name some greasy, fatty, fried food. They should call them Fat Fries. France is cool, they are mailing GW pretzals....talk about slick.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

YES! That's what I've been saying! Even if it is generic, atleast it's not some conservative "punk" bullshit, How the hell can you be pro-Bush, yet a "punk", it's simply inconceiveable. You little high school "punks" amaze me.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

At least NOFX doesn't make music for this strange new "punk" generation who vote republican and order "freedom fries".

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

The guy below me obviously doen't know shit because NOFX is a waaaaaaaaay better band than NOFX.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

NOFX is the best band named NOFX.

waste_elite (March 25, 2003)

OLDPUNKER likes mxpx

in light of this, i find the fact that he bashes NOFX to be quite hilarious...

M4CH1N3 (March 25, 2003)

I liked the EP, the songwriting and lyrics are amazing, and the commercial is hilarious ("Also available for free on the internet"). BUT I'd suggest you wait for the full length, because Hardcore 84 alone isn't enough to justify buying this EP.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Does anyone else think "Medio-Core" sounds almost exactly like their cover of Bracket's "Lazy"?

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

this was a badass e.p. if the album is as good as this, i predict it'll be my favorite album of this year.
~Zäk

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

ska!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

to me, idiots are taking over is just incredible...and the lyrics are absolutley sick. listen to em closely and then make a judgment. love the entire ep, and can not wait for the full length. mike and the guys should be appluaded for staying in it, and being so damn good for so damn long......all the hating going on??? i just dont get it

FortyMinutesWest (March 25, 2003)

haha that was great.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

No he isn't a legend. He isn't a legend because i say so. Other than that i really have nothing to support my argument. But if you haven't noticed my screen name is "old punker" which implies that i've seen more than you and i know much more about punk than you do. So if you're smart you will agree with me no matter how little water my argument actually holds -old punker-

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

somerset is better

CallingLondon (March 25, 2003)

he most certainly is a legend. he basically invented this type of pop-punk that so many bands take as influence, and created and runs a successful label that houses some of the biggest bands in punk, even if it's just now getting better again. maybe it's a little early to call him a legend, but in my eyes, he is. anyway, if kurt cobain can be considered a legend, which he is, then fat mike definitely can, being that he's still alive and all.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I love NOFX, the new album will be excellent :>

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"these songs are pretty good....just as you'd expect but with franco-unamerican it sounds more like that 'nothing seems much fun anymore to me song' than watever that review guy thought it was LIVE ON THE DECLINE!"

How did no one comment on THAT one? Dude, "nothing seems much fun anymore to me song" IS "Quart in Session" (The tune the reviewer mentioned)

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I agree with you sickboi but "legend"no lets save that title for the likes of joe strummer,stiv bator,mike ness etc. -oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

http://www.nypunk.cjb.net/

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I'm gonna have to disagree with you this time OLDPUNKER....while NOFX's music can get a little old and stale, Mike has always stayed true to the whole punkrock ethic of DIY. Now, I've heard stories that its been through the financial backing of his parents, but so fucking what. Better them than the slimeballs at Sony or MCA.

-sickboi

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Punk Rock Legend...what's so funny about that? Mike's band created their own sound many years ago. He has a label that introduced tons of bands to the masses. And he's been doing it for about 15-20 years. I think that qualifies as punk rock legend, don't you? NOFX has been great, still is great, and will always be great. One of the few bands out there to be so successful with out any major label/MTV help. Viva la NOFX.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

To scott a few posts down, "punk rock legend.. Hahahahahahahahaahaha, i have now read the most ridiculous comment on this site-oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

to those who say nofx always sounds the same I seriously wonder if you've ever actually listened to them. only the deaf would not be able to tell the difference between a song on liberal animation and punk in drublic or slatfats or pump up the valuum or any of their other albums. its not always good but each album is different. you can always tell its nofx though but that should be a good thing (especially if you like them but even if you dont).

adam (March 25, 2003)

You've got to remember that while 70% of the commenters bitch, probably far less than 15% of the readers actually comment.

I, for one, quite like this EP. It has all the elements that make me love NOFX and none of the sillyness that makes turns me away. Good job guys. Looking forward to the full lenght.

adam

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

People make me giggle. 70% of this site sits here and bitches about everything. I often question if any of you even like music or if you just like to make fun of it.

It's time to grow up kids.

Think of a more thoughtful and insightful way to say you don't like a record to get your point across, rather than "DuDE THIZ suX0rZ!!11"

On that note, the comments here tend to be a lot of "Every NOFX song sounds the same."

And you know what, I'm glad they do! I'm tired of all of these bands "progressing" and then just ending up sounding like shit and going to the dumps. NOFX is simply playing their sound, the same thing they've been doing throughout their career. It's their band, it's their music, let them do what they want with it.

And I'm pretty sure that just because Fat Mike is some kind of Punk Rock Legened, he's still allowed to have a political view. So quit complaining about him hating Bush.

I like the EP and I'm looking forward to the album, now get over yourselves.

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(Boohoo!)

insinceredave (March 25, 2003)

This seems like great value for money!

insincere dave

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

"I despair dude".. what is that a srufer growing up in early england?

eyeball_kid (March 25, 2003)

Oldpunker - if you're so damn old I would have expected you to have got out of the NOFX bashing habit by now. You'd think age would at least have allowed you to grow out of meaningless bickering. I despair dude...

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

noofz is SO panteez!

haha panties!

ya!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

Only 10-13 year olds like these guys,nofx=mall punk for soccer moms and jock kids,pathetic drivel-oldpunker-

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

these songs are pretty good....just as you'd expect but with franco-unamerican it sounds more like that 'nothing seems much fun anymore to me song' than watever that review guy thought it was LIVE ON THE DECLINE!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

great ep
if u like nofx, you'll like this.
if u don't like nofx, then you won't like this.
Its really that simple.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

don't listen to all the doubters, the new album is going to be a classic. medio-core and franco-unamerican are superb tracks and some of the clips on the commercial are very promising. i can't wait.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I don`t know what you`re all complaining about, this is NOFX, what did you expect?!? It`s always been the same deal with NOFX albums, you know what you`re getting before you buy it and it`s always good entertainment! Why doesn`t anyone mention the funny but intelligent lyrics on this one, I really appreciate bands thinking ... if you`re looking for something different, don`t buy it because you know what to expect ... go home and steal your sisters simple plan cds or something ...

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

I love the whole Anti-war Anti-Bush thing, and this EP has some solid NOFX tracks. But that's just the problem. People always complain about PW sounding the same, but NOFX is FARRRRR more guilty of that crime than anyone.

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

What collection of shit! NOFX has passed their prime(punk in drublic). Time to cash in a little more before the emo trend totally takes over. I hear Fat Mike and Connner Oberst will be collaborating on the next Emo Diaries.

-feedmynightmare

CallingLondon (March 25, 2003)

i thought that song was pretty sweet. i'm excited.

ClidesdaleScale (March 25, 2003)

I've heard The Idiots are Taking Over and it was less than mediocre. I think these guys are starting to lose it. They should write more songs like Drop the World, The Black and White, or 180 Degrees. Judging by the last few times I've seen them live it seems like they are doing it for the pay check.

GregSka (March 25, 2003)

I love Nofx, the new cd is going to be great!

Anonymous (March 25, 2003)

this record is mediocore, seriously these guys need to reevaluate thier careers. this is just plain fucking average.

punky (March 25, 2003)

Good review.I think that I'll just wait for the album to come out.

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