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| Sum 41All Killer, No Filler2001 Island 
 Review by: Pat41 See others by this writer ::::Sum 41:::: (link) Only registered users can post comments 
 
Published on May 8th 2001
Sum 41's first album, Half Hour of Power, is one of the best cd's I've heard in many years. It's a must have for any fan of Blink 182, NOFX, MXPX, and all other pop punk bands. It was easy to be pumped up for their new release, All Killer No Filler. With Fat Lip getting the buzz going around on MTV, Much Music and local radio stations Sum 41 has made their fan base even bigger than Ajax Canada where Deryck, Dave, Cone and Steve are from. Songs like Never Wake Up and Crazy Amanda show their punk roots while Fat Lip and In Too Deep give them a more hip hop sound. Then of course their is the B-side to Fat Lip, Pain for Pleasure, where they give respect to 80's cheese/hair metal. But the best songs on the album are Sum's fast and hard pop punk songs like Motivation, Heart Attack, and All She's Got. Weak points on the album are songs like Handle This and In Too Deep, although great songs not Sum's best work and shows their ability to get the teeny boppers screaming. But all the better for punk fans that they will be played on the radio TV and parties all over the country... now we don't have to listen to any more girly boys singing exactly what their record company tells them to do. Their retro video game site uses an asteroid theme and is a very good source for Sum 41 info. go visit it at Sum41.com. Everyone and their Sea monkeys should go out and buy this album but not before you pick up the original, Half Hour Of Power.
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how did this album get a review of 4 stars wen Half Hour of Power only gt 1 this is shit commercial crap Sum 41 is the best fucking band in the world always has been always will be Fat Lip is an awesome song but everything else is complete crap. Yeah this cd is terrible. Does this look Infected is better....but this is pathetic Holy shit! Am I in some kind of alternate dimension? This disc was all filler, but it got a great review. Where's the MC Hammer review... I'll bet it got a great review too. pop music rises again?!?!?! oh shit. i fogot about niagra falls, canada, you're a-ok! Pepole are very mean to Canada. Screw all y'all. Canadians are very polite. My boyfriend is Canadaian and he's very well groomed also. Also, they have Niagra Falls, which is a national monuments. So we should be more thankjful for rtheir good bands. FUCK CANADA and this stupid LUNCHBOX kid i like sum 41. their new record is better than all killer no filler. even if they are considered "pop-punk" and played on mtv, they're still a good band and have fun live shows (well from what i've seen). this record is just lame and boring. even comments by pat41 are more interesting than this.... Is it that hard to type out 'you'? haha eating shit on a bun...very true They deserve to die for mocking the damned on the cover of spin magazine!!! fuck them to hell!!!! this album is the epidamy of shit my friend bought me this shit because she thought that this shit was punk this shit is shit and thats it MxPx and NoFx own thsi fuckin band they are just fuckin copiers i wud rather lick hairy balls then subject myself to this shit whoever agve this review doesnt kno shit and will rot in pieces Yeah, they go hardcore because they know that there are alot of "hardcore" people out there. Next year, if eating shit on a bun was in, they'd be doing it on stage. they changed their style and it kicks ass, they are heavy now and it's for the good. Fuck u all who hate the sums u have issues if u can compare this shit to NOFX and MXPX music Sum41 is not punk to start off with..They are some wannabe punk band that gets played on MTV and shit..Get some real punk music..7 seconds or Anti-Flag.... Nah, you americans can keep their shitty music, we here in Canada dont even like them (ps. keep nickleback too!) 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They suck my hairy balls. Fuck all Sum 41 fans and their useless tastes. i said, yes they freakkin' well do. screw you sum 41 haters! you suck!!! Sum 41 rules and always will. Listen to the sweet-ass songs on their new cd and see for yourself.SUM 41 RULES and I think that Deryck is soooooooo hot and sexy. he is he is he is!!!!! Haha, wow you have got to be kidding me. Damn that band makes me laugh!!! please leave your damn music in canada Hey, im the guy that wrote the sarcasm below, it is really sad. I heard one of my friends gfs say she is into punk, and then one of my other friends(who isnt a prep like she is) asked her who she likes and she is like "blink 182, sum 41" me and my friend almost died laughing. The person that posted below me is great at writing sarcasm... but isnt it kind of sad? Ok, let me start off by saying I LOVE PUNK RAWK. Blink, NFG, Good Charlotte all of them. AND I LOVE THIS CD. This is as punk as u can get. I just want to get up and mosh everytime i listen to it. Ya da ain't not no reason not to buy this herre awesome cd. I don't know how to write or read, or think inDpendently, so I just watch MTV and like what they tell me to. I also like defending shitty bands like Sum41 (or trying to, cuz I cant wrrrite). Yall best back up and off ma fave band. i juss wanna say dis shit ta evry Sum41 hataz out dere. yall bettah shut da fuk up and like da original slogan, itz dere life, dey live it da way dey want to. if u dont think dey are punk rokaz alrite den datz ur opinion dont go make it a BIG deal outta it. so wat? Sum41 can be watevah dey want ta be. itz dere labelz, lives, etc. so shut da fuk up, dont like da cd? dont buy u dumb fuk! hate dey songz? dont listen to it dumb shithole! dont like anything about dem or wat dey do? dont pay any fukin attention to dem u ugly pieces of shitballz. and to all dose hu adore and is inspired by Sum41 (im one of em...) ROK ON!!!! DERYK(from Sum41) I LUV YOU!!! U ARE DA MOST BEAUTIFULEST PERSON I HAVE EVER SEEN! MUUUUAAAAHH!! Hahaha. Its funny how you people think that punk rock started with NoFx. For the record: You colon ogres, listen to Burzum and forget about this boring pop rock. Fans of Nofx AND Blink??? Who the fuck could that be? NOFX doesn't sound anything like Sum 41, Blink 182, or NFG. Listen to some records, you ass SUM 41 CAN SUCK MY DICK. That band acts like they're all cool and hot. BUT LISTEN TO THEIR MUSIC, THEN LISTEN TO NoFx, Blink 182, NFG, and a few other shitty bands. Its like the members of SUM 41 mixed a bowl of shit then ate it right up! Yummy in my tummy, says the 12 year old fan! Can i just say that Sum41 never calimed to be punk, infact, they strive to stay away from being labled as punks. They are heavily influenced by rock, "heavy metal and mullets were how we were raised/maiden and priest were the gods taht we praised" and they are in no way rap/metal, the comparisons to limp bizkit are far worse and as far-fetched as the comparisons to NOFX. Of course they are a terrible punk band, BEACAUSE THEY ARENT PUNK! It's a very good cd! Deryck you are the most beautiful and i love you! Goodbye -xxx- SUM41 is self-proclaimed POP punk, so quit talking shit about them if you don't like this kind of music. I'm surprised so many 'real' punks actually listened to this. Weak pop punk. one of the greatest cd's ever!!!! This album has one redeeming value. It can be used as a nice coaster. all these people dissing sum 41 can go fuck themself. Sum 41 are a grest band, all you ppl hate them because they actually made it in the world of music. Dont hate them for it because they are doing what they want. How would you liked it if some one said what u were doing really sucked. So FUCK ALL U SUM 41 HATERS, they r the coolest band, they put on a kick ass LIVE show, they have great videos and cool songs. I say ALL KILLER NO FILLER is the best Punk album ever. SUM 41 rule I think sum 41 rule. And then you get some blink 182 fans saying that Sum 41 are shit.But in a few years time blink 182 are going to split up, and then Sum 41 will be the new blink 182.But Sum 41 will be much better than blink 182.Blink 182 might be the best now but in a few years tinme Sum 41 will be the best, and even bigger than blink today. You morons don't know what good punk is. If you really wanted to see good punk bands, you should go to Arizona and check out the Phoenix Scene. Bands like No Gimmick, Fourbanger, Girl Repellant, Logik, and others have musical talent that you will rarely see in a national act. These are the bands that should be recognized instead of that horribly untalented band you call Sum 41. Motivation is one of the most boring, derivative songs ive EVER heard. if thats an album highlight than may god have mercy on us all. The Clash, Dead Kennedys, Bad Religion, Rancid, Sum 41. Doesn't really work now does it. Even if this was the first 'punk' album i ever heard it would still struggle to be the best one. And Sum41 reigns supreme again! Haha... ok so I am as bored with Sum41 as the rest of you I just think its funny that the most hated band on this site is the most read about band on this site... woops... The score is for me!-pat41 (i have made my one and only return) This is the best cd i have, sum41 is the BEST band out there, they don't give a shit what people think of them. Punk is immortal. awesome cd definately in the top 20 greatest punk albums ever. Best thing to happen to punk rawk since da dead kennedys tour dis year. W00t~! ummm.... isnt this punknews.org? Maybe its just me but i dont think sum41 is very punk... whatever This CD gets really boring Really quickly-so cherish the short time that it kicks ass NOFX is not fucking "pop punk"!!!... cock smoker Are you guys all retarded? All of this 'they are punk' and 'they aren't punk' is bullshit. I really doubt that any of you are ones to be judging what is punk and what isn't. I've met the guys in Sum 41, they never claimed to be punk but they kinda are. Not hardcore punk but you can hear punk influences in their music and in their personalities. I didn't like this album as much as the first but I think that's just because this album was more polished. It's good music, I enjoyed it. If you didn't, you really don't need to come on here and bitch and moan about it. I mean, someone said that there should be concentration camps for sum 41 and blink 182 fans. That's very neo-nazi of them. But then again, in his eyes, Hitler must have been pretty fuckin' punk. well they rapped better than p.diddy on fatlip so they get some points. But i think there music is too watered down with fancy guitar stuff like 80's hair metal and most of their songs are catchy enough to listen to more than a few times. Plus they are demeaning punk. I think kids should be listening to something worthwhile, and once they get pop music stuck in their heads its hard to persuade them to enjoy the finer things in music. What Sum 41 have different than Green Day mixed with Blink 182??? None, except their metal influences. We're still having this conversation? This is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this is punk rock this isnt ska so it is punk rock some stuff isnt punk rock but its ska and ska is so gay ska is gay ska is gay I don't give a shit about what anyone else says about the album but I think it's the best CD I have. Sum 41 is probly one of the best punk bands out there.Punk is not dead, it will live forever. this cd is terible shit, but thats not why im typing this. I wanted to say this: Hey Punknews.net, why do you have advertisments that dont work on your site? I'm going to have to agree with the guy under me... except for one point he made. I dont see them as a "boy band" now I see them as blink 182 status pop-punk band. I dont think I would label them boy band though. I saw the big change from HHOP to AKNF too. I saw them go from rowdy pop punkers to less rowdy leaning more towards pop metalers. Now thats all well and good but I enjoyed to punk side much more. Here's my two cents on this album. The first couple of songs on this album are the best on the album. I find it gets weak later on. The first 6 songs are the best with Rhythms (#5) being the weakest of the 6. Never Wake up is a fucking great little song. I wish it was longer. After motivation the album slows down a whole hell of a lot and gets kind of repetitive. This is a great all around album, but I'd have to say that the first couple of songs aren't as good as the rest. I think that this album is definitely a worthwhile investment though. While I am sure there are at least 500 other songs you have heard that are worse than that one yea it is pretty bad. They say it is the "original version" when they actually recorded a version of that song for their first EP and it has the same riffs and same first verse and everything. Has anyone heard the new Sum 182 song for the Spiderman soundtrack? Holy jebus that is the worst song I have ever heard in my life. You all need to understand by that comment I didn't intend to diss on sum41 or blink182, I think they are both very talented bands and I like them both, but has that happened to no one else? Someone says they like punk and the only bands they can think of are blink 182 and sum 41, which, is a start, but yes, i'm sick of all this debate about them being or not being punk. I like it, now wether they are "punk" or not will no change that. All you people on this website make me sad to be a punk. So now I'm getting into Jazz. You guys are too pissy and non-receptive. Anyways, I'm off to www.jazznews.org cuz I'm pretty sure they aren't argueing about who is jazz or not. If anything the lifestyle of a punk is dead. Punk nowadays think that just having a mohawk makes them ultra punk but it has nothing to do with that. The music has stayed alive but maybe you are looking inthe wrong place for it. Bands like sum 41 keep it alive in the mainstream but there are a ton, millions probably, of bands keeping punk alive in the true essence of it. Punk will never die!-pat41 Punk is Semi Dead...the lifestyle lives on but the music is gone. you cannot say that sum 41 sold out, they never really decalred themsleves to be punk. and, i think everyone accuses bands that get big of selling out, look at green day, yes, they changed their sound, but there's a difference between changing your sound for the media, and changing your sound to progress, and i think sum 41 did good here, not my favorite, mayb make it into top 20, but stop ragging on them. Alright you anonymous pussy. If its all about the music then what the fuck do these guys have to say. Their music is extremly contrived and their lyrics are just plain retarted. Don't make fun of Blink 182 or Sum 41 they put their hearts and souls into writing songs about their girlfriends in 8th grade. Fuck you ya stupid ass clown. Too bad there isn't a score for zero. Pat 41 you are the biggest pig fucking, shit eating, dog sucking, dad fucking, visor wearing, pool of monkey cum on the planet. How dare you compare this pile of shit to a legendary band like NOFX. If Fat Mike farted into a mic it would sound better than Shit 41. I want to organize a concentration camp for anyone that is a fan of Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte etc. They will all be given gasoline enemas and set on fire. I will piss on their ashes and burn them again. True punk fans unite and help me stop these motherfuckers! this cd was pretty good, but i really think we need this review the hell off of hear. I'm sure all the posers come in here "oh yea sum 41 blink 182, i love punk" but, otherwise, it's pretty good, i think most of it's really good, except like 4 songs (intro doesn't count, intro's are always dumb) It totally rocks, any fan of blink182, NOFX and other punk rock bands will love it.i got it straight away. i also agree wit the comment of the person who sed the singer sounds different live, he still cute and got a gr8 ice. i LOVE sum41 they rock my world!! Get it if ya want. theres 2 good songs that's it. the rest sucks. btw, wtf is up with the singer, he sounds completely different live than on the cd? You know what? All you "punks" complain about people that are different from them and people that dress a certain way. But people that are not "punk" are saying just the same about you. They talk about your mohawks, they talk about your studs and chains, they talk about your piercings. Are you all too ignorant to notice that people are different and liking a certain kind of music or wearing a certain clothing brand isn't going to make them a bad person. Punks are all about equality for everyone but the only thing this site has taught me is that punks are a bunch of whiny bitches and they all want everyone to be like them and if they arent like them they will make fun of them and tell them how much they suck, over and over and over. Punknews.org is full of a bunch of ridiculous users which Im sure the webmasters wish would never come back because they seem to be pretty down to earth intellegent people. I took one glimpse at the video, heard the song and couldn't bear it. I think a friend of mine who likes Linkin' Biscuit (ya they're both the same) loves them - though he's BMX'ing one minute, Skateboarding the next and oh yes - has to look the part doesn't he. Oh wait, he isn't my friend :/ There are plenty of punk bands out there that have the same amount or less talent than sum 41. I'm not sticking up for sum 41 by any means but if you think about it the Ramones songs all sounded alike and used about 3 chords in all of them. They were revolutionary in their sound but still nothing incredibly talented. The list could go on and on but I dont feel like wasting my time. My point is made... incredible bands, like the Ramones, were about as talented as sum 41. so if you are going to hate them and proclaim that they suck at least give a decent reason that will hold up against other examples. I tried to give it no stars, but I couldn't...this CD sucks and so does the band. Now, I don't hate them just b/c they give punk a bad name, but b/c they also have NO talent...that's right you mall punks...they fuckin' suck my asshole! Now, go ahead, rape my comment, rape it! OK so skinnyhead wasted his time putting this on like 20 reviews.. thats ridiculous.. fathead is gone and isnt coming back so you can cool your jets. Rickets is a smart kid I'll tell you, a smart kid. (Please notice sarcasm.) This is so good better than the rest of that other crap " Hybrid Therory" Other crap like Blink 182 and Linkin Park. This album "all killer no filler " is the best man. Too bad there isn't a score for zero. Pat 41 you are the biggest pig fucking, shit eating, dog sucking, dad fucking, visor wearing, pool of monkey cum on the planet. How dare you compare this pile of shit to a legendary band like NOFX. If Fat Mike farted into a mic it would sound better than Shit 41. I want to organize a concentration camp for anyone that is a fan of Blink 182, Sum 41, Good Charlotte etc. They will all be given gasoline enemas and set on fire. I will piss on their ashes and burn them again. True punk fans unite and help me stop these motherfuckers! Didnt they rap on the "great" half hour of power? Wouldnt that suck on that album too? I think half of hour of power was an awsome c.d. and their concert was great, But I think all filler no killer SUCKS. They are trying to be too mainstream. And it sucks when they try and rap and do that hip hop crap. Sum 41 is NOT as offensive than NSYNC... they may be popular and have a wide teenage following but that does NOT make them a boy band. They are boys in a band but not what is stereotypically a boy band. The lyrics may be simple but so are NOFX, and so are a lot of Rancid songs, so are Useless ID, and Big Wig. If you are going to complain about a band make it something that will actually stand up and not become hypocritical. Sum 41 may not be the best band in the world but they are making a buck and having a fucking great time doing it. I love when people talk about how they should die because they dont make music that they enjoy. Wishing death upon someone just because of your taste in music is ridiculous. Every band in the world has someone that says they suck. Every band has people that think they are great. Why dont we just allow what we dont like to let be. These MOTHERFUCKERS created modern day punk rock. Rancid stole all their chords for their new LP, out early fall on Hellcat, from these freeks. Sure they make my cock stand at tall (what spikey hair does to a person) and so what if when I think of them my hair grows faster. Shit, this dudes are FUCKING CLASSIC. Motivation is so fucking tragic, such a sad song dudes. So sad. They should be put out of OUR misery. Sum 41 is a boy band, possibly even more offensive than N'Sync. What douche bags. Their music is shallow, boring and predictable. The last comment I will ever make on thi board... Why doesnt everybody just listen to what you like and not listen to what you dont like. If you dont like this album dont listen to it. hehe, i forgot to change the album score... now i did... i fucked up Let's not start fights about this band/album. Let's act like hippies and smoke pot all day long and smell like we live in the sewer... bands like these killed the spirit of punk... what's worth fightin for... right on ! people who like sum 41 also like to start stupid fights about nothing. it's a well known fact. just ignore them. hey i didnt trash sum 41 , i just said that sum 41 wasnt a definition of punk , dont need to get all crazy here , i dont hate people that like sum 41 , im not saying they suck , i m just saying that i dont like their music , u dont need to feel like ur insulted and all , i was just saying that i know a lot of people that consider themselves "punk" because they listen to sum 41 and blink , and because they dont have the IDEOLOGIES behind it , thats all , damn ur crazy , i didnt insut you , im peaceful , dont want to start a fight about wether or not sum 41 sucks , it will never end... Hey, im french too, i like SUm41 and Blink 182?? Am i a murderer? no, i think i just listen what i want. Get the fuck out with saying that SUm41 is not punk!! looooollll, keep out with your fashion's false punk boy. You want to listen to NOFX or Good Ridance?? So go listen to it but dont fuck on Sum41. good point but actually it's like that in the US if you're not in a large city. there are exceptions but they don't carry much punk in record stores in central illinois. there is no scene here. how depressing. i'm going to go slit my wrists now. hey! im french and i just want to say that u guys dont realize the chance u have , in france they are only posers , what i mean is that punk isnt mainstream , french people are mainly into rap , but there are a couple of huys in my city that think thay are so fucking punk because they wear large pants and hoodies , they don t have any punk ideologies , nothing , except some spiked hair , and i think that its sad that on their backpacks i see blink 182 and....sum 41 , see these are the only bands that are " punk " here...we dont have anything else , personnaly i dont like sum 41 , their music isnt appealing to me Are you serious when you say that you agreed with Clinton's politics-- his tax more from the people, let government spend more kind of politics-- his use the the military if anything happens in foreign affairs kind of politics-- his running as a "New Democrat" and making none of his campaign promises just so he'd get elected kind of politics-- please tell me your definition of Republican so I may get a clearer perspective on your politics. That comment was just fucking retarded... sum 41 may not be punk but who cares... they arent even that good either... and if anyone still pays $18 for a cd they are sad sad people. hey sum41 suxs why the fuck would you waste $18 on a shitty cd and a shitty that conciders themslef punk when there signed 2 fuckin def jam records i mean come on i have 2 say they are kinda talented but there not punk there just shit I hate bands who fucking suck live, especially if they don't sound like anything from their cd. Sum41 is no expection. Oh well. I'm guessing the money offered to them wasn't too ugly. it makes me wonder how many people bash NOFX on message boards just so they can sound "punk." so they make catchy music, so did the ramones and all those '77 bands you people like to throw around and sound cool talking about. they try DAMN hard to stay out of the corporate world, leave them alone. the NOFX thing: I went to see Rancid at Warped last Summer and I sure was glad Sum 41 was there, cause their fans squeal like little bitches when you thrash 'em in the pit. i think that happy guy is geared more toward how you treat individuals because of their beliefs. i have friends that have been christian their whole lives and they're still my friends regardless of how i feel about christianity itself as a whole. try to see it this way : i consider myself to be very liberal, but i think bill clinton, as a person, is a sleazeball. That's not to say that i don't agree with his politics. Now bob dole, on the other hand, seems like a decent guy even though i despise the republican party. you cannot judge someone entirely by just looking a one aspect of that person's life. Pat41 will definitely be back tomorrow. Anyways, back to the whole NOFX thing, he also says in Happy Guy, "Don't try to judge him- he's just a man" and if The Decline isn't jusging Christians, then the sky isn't blue either. Also, when he wrote Happy Guy, he was what, 30? He had that opinion for thirty years, even in the face of all the anarchy bands that he listened to, and in five short years that opinion suddenly changed? I really like NOFX's older albums, I just really hate the Decline. Jeez. Don't take such offense. good. shut up. die. thanks. Yea this might be another problem... people keep coming back and not talking about sum 41.. or sometimes music at all. I think a lot of the subjects we have discussed have been smart and interesting.. but most of the time there is stupid things being said. All anyone ever does on here is bitch... same thing with almost all comment boards... im really getting sick of the people on this site. Dont expect to hear from me for a while. I don't think anyone has actually talked about sum41 or any music at all on this page for some time now. Wrong again pat41. Don't you read anything before throwing a hissy fit? And even worse... the same people keep coming back and saying the same thing... sum 41 suck, sum 41 is exactly like blink 182, blah blah blah... well boo hoo... you keep coming back for more. You keep bringing up the same points so bitching about them can go on and on. I have an idea... why dont you stop coming back and stop complaining about them.. all the attention you are giving this review im sure is making you more punk. Isn't it sad that you guys have been debating over this album for over 8 months? bands like this get all the press and bands like Erase Errata and the Dismemberment Plan are hardly known at all in comparison. can anyone explain this to me? I mean I thought talent and sounding different actually meant something... evidently not. Pat, cant you see that every one hates you, and will you PPLLEEAASSEE go away! Ok so I dont really remember you making any points in your arguments either... i dont remember ever hearing anything of worth posted by yourself. If you are Brento Otter who so badly wanted me to die I think I have other things to bash you about. How intellegent is it to want a person you have never met, never seen, never had any contact other than a message board to die. You dont know what kind of person I am... How would you know what my offspring will be like? I would also like yuo to explain to me how I am such a threat to the human race... that is what keeps puzzling me. Explain to me why you would EVER encourage someone to kill them self.. that just doesnt make sense... i will never meet you and if i did i would probably not want to talk to you or ever have anything to do with you ever again so what "threat" am i to you?! below I meant to say 'you've never made a good point'. It's so very true. pat41, I made the coment about siding with Canada, and I have been the one arguing with you a majority of the time. You have made a good point, and you have never even backed up your shitty ones. I make good points and you ignore them and go off in some random direction. Scroll down if you want proof. It's all there. Aw, fuck.... you wouldn't understand what I'm talking about anyway. You never have, so why should you start now. All I can hope is that I have provided others with quality entertainment and evidence of just how dense and ignorant people can be. Now I realize that you are just going to say something about how I shouldn't pick on you just because you like sum41. Well, I never have and I never will. I wanted you to die... because you are a threat to the human race. If you breed and others like you breed, then we're all fucked and we'll have to live around a bunch of pat41s forever. Please please PLEASE kill yourself. You don't deserve to live. You really don't. This has nothing to do with your musical taste so don't pass it off on some band. Just die. You don't even have to take back all the nonsense you've spewed all over this site. Just die. That's all I ask of you. Number one... go back and check im the only one that makes valid arguments on here... with the exception of a select few... and number two... i dont even like sum 41 that much... i think they play decent music and they have fun which is important for a band I can't remember you ever backing up one of your points... I did my reseaech, and you ARE stupid. Come on, you're making fun of the country your favorite band comes from. Maybe you should do some research about how stupid i am. I am one of the only people to make a good argument on here and one of the only people to actually make a point that I can back up... yea i must be stupid... puta I think it's a hell of a lot funnier for all of Canada to make fun of pat41 than it is for pat41 to make fun of Canada. Anyone who has ever read anything that pat41 has had to say, knows what I'm talking about. I'm from Chicago myself, but if I had to choose between all of Canada or one stupid american.... well, it's the great white north for me. Choke on a bag of broken glass pat41. Hey take a joke canuck... jesus christ. You guys really do have shitty beer though... although ours isnt the greatest. There is nothing wrong with Canada its just funny to make fun of it sometimes... get a sense of humor fuck face. Worse beer? Why? Because it actually gets you drunk? And we definately do not wish we were America. Don't even get me started on that subject. I will just pass that comment off as an ignorant idiot opening his ignorant Sum41 loving mouth and confirming his idiotdom. Pat I didn't really have anything against you until now... Something stinks in here and I think it's pat41. Dude there are thousands of punk bands in America that kick ass. That doesnt mean anything... Canada wishes it was America thats all there is to it.. they are fake America with worse beer. 80-90% that YOU have heard. Just because they're not signed or released in the States doesn't mean it's not good. Nothing against American punk, I love it, but I know of hundreds of Canadian bands that kick a lot of ass. I don't think our music should be judged by the few bands you guys actually get to hear. whoa whoa... fathead has been resurrected??? pat41 farted. yeah the US has put out more than it's fair share of shitpop. but the high amount of great punk bands more than makes up for it. id say the US produces about 80%-90% of all the good punk to come out in the past and present. heads up! angry canadian on the loose! Why are you all so stupid? Fuck you to whoever made the comment on Canadian music. Sure Celine sucks ass but you Americans, along with the British, brought pop back. Celine is one big piece of shit, you guys have got hundreds, if not thousands. Still, I do apologize for us letting her loose on the rest of the world. I tried to have her killed years ago. OK to add another thing to the NOFX "selling out" thing. "The Christians love their guns the church and NRA punks are stupid all they bitch about is selling out, i would like to grab one and shave his goofy mohawk. Mullets and Iron Maiden RULE!!!! what's with all that crap that rory sends all the time it's sure is no killer and all filler cause there videos are helarious propaghandi's from canada. that's a definite plus. ya know ive been thinking alot about canadian music (because sum 41 is from canada)and well i cant find to many good canadian bands there are a few but more bad than good. But because of canda we have not only sum 41 but also Celien Deion. Just something to think about since when is contradicting yourself considered "selling out". people's opinions change from time to time. they aren't set in stone. personally i used to have no problem with christians. do whatever the fuck you want, you know? but after seeing so many of these right-winged religious fascists trying to mold the world to their specific "vision", i grew to detest the religion. does that make me a sellout for changing my opinion? i dont think so. oh yeah? fat wreck, a major corporation? give me a fucking break. they may be a fairly big punk label but considering them a "giant corporation" is ridiculous. and if fat mike is so interested in the success of his "giant corporation" and making himself some big bucks, he would have moved his band on over to his own label years ago. have some respect, NOFX has worked really fucking hard to get where they are today. and they stayed true the entire time. and if they were so interested in making tons of money they would have put their songs on radio and MTV a long time ago. I dont remember the last time I read someting more moronic. First of all, the biggest problem in your comment, fat wreck chords is NOT, absolutley NOT, a major label. They are an independent label. They may be one of the bigger independent labels the world has but they absolutely NOT a major label. And second, in case you havent noticed, NOFX's lyrics dont ever have too much depth to them. And since when does contradicting one self make you a sell out?! Fat Mike didnt bash Christians to make money, if he wanted to make money he would have by selling his music to MTV and radio stations. But never once have you seen NOFX on the radio, and it is very rare that you catch a NOFX song on the radio, although it has happened. To say that NOFX are sellouts is fucking retarded. Im sure most everyone on this site will agree with me. They have sold out about as much as Rancid has sold out... maybe even less. And my last comment, maybe that anonymous doesnt know the meaning of sarcasm but i was definitley using a hell of a lot of it when i was talking about how alcohol only fucked up your family. Of course I know that alcohol has fucked up a lot of people but i was making my point (that not everyone has a problem with alcohol and that it isnt a bad thing by any means)better by using sarcasm... the smart people got it. I have just recently decided that NOFX ARE THE BIGGEST FUCKING SELLOUTS EVER!! My proof? The Decline. In "Happy Guy," from Punk in Drublic, he states, talking about Christians, "Don't try to judge him/ He's just a man" and in his cute little 18-minute song, he spends most of it bashing Christians. So, NOFX doesn't care about the almighty dollar? Fat Mike is the head of one of those giant corporations that he's always bitching about (Oh yes, Fat Wreck Chords IS a major label). All just to seem more "punk." I think we're all starting to forget the fact that pat41 doesn't drink. He's 8. Yes pat41, alcohol has only touched my family. I seriously don't care if you drink or not. You obviously can't get anymore dense and overall stupid than you already are. Who knows? It might actually do you good. Or it might kill you.... wait, that's good. Yes, drink up my friend. to whoever said this like a million posts ago: "People should also stop fooling themselves into beliving that NOFX are like SUPER-PUNK!!!!" Just because it fucked up your family doesnt mean it is going to fuck us up. Not everyone turns into an alcoholic when they drink maybe its just your family. I don't drink because I've seen it do horrible things to the rest of my family. I'm not necessarily against drinking, I just don't do it because of my family history with alcohol. I gave up alcohol when I turned 21. I'm 22 now. I have friends that drink and thats their own business. So there goes your theory. I got their first cd as promo where I worked and that was pretty cool. But after a listen to this...well let's just I'm glad I got it used. I would've been pissed if I paid $18 for this. There's nothing particulary bad about this...but nothing really good. I liked Fat Lip before they went overkill with it on the radio. You're totally missing the point. No matter who you were writing to, it's still a lot of nonsensical bullshit. It makes no sense. End of story. And as for my 'beef' with alcohol, I just don't think that people of your intelligence level should be aloud to drink. You strongly stand by your comments and then claim that you may have been a little tipsy and infer that alcohol may have had some influence on your ramblings. If you claim that they make so much sense, that why even mention that you were tipsy? If you're going to defend your posts with your life, then don't go back on it at all. Nobody should trust a word you say, because you are full of shit. Wow so anonymous down there has some real beef against alcohol. To clarify I was writing my family an email to let them know I wouldnt be home... I figured I would check out what was going on with all the cool kids on the sum 41 comments... and I wrote that since no one had said anything in a while... looks like some people read it and decided to reply huh. Looks like you just jumped to conclusions huh. Maybe you should completely understand what the situation is before you go and accuse me of anything. Why dont you get a life, forget about mine and learn that not everyone should "kill themselves" because they do something stupid every once and a while... maybe getting a life would go along with that. Shitbrick dude just use some common sense and realize that i was trying to say "whole" instead of "while". Yes, pat41 "It made a while lot of sense..." are you on crack or something? what the fuck are you talking about? drunk assholes always claim they understand things that they don't. and then you argue that it makes so much sense when it's just some alcohol induced raving about nothing. it makes no sense. everyone else knows it make no sense. you are not cool and you never will be. go kill yourself. and by the way, you must feel really cool getting drunk alone and then sitting at your computer. even if you were with friends, that just makes you a group of losers. Maybe you should have read the comment in the first place and then you might have gotten it. It made a while lot of sense... i was a little tipsy at the time i wrote it but i still understand what the point was. hmmmm..... maybe if you wouldn't have had your head shoved up your ass when you said it the first time, it would've made sense. Give it some thought. And seriously, don't get mad at me because you're rambling on in random directions, and as a result of this, you sound like a total jackass. You dig your own hole, as always. How does that comment not make sense?!?! whats so hard to understand about the fact that the only thing people are really reading about on this site is sum 41... other than the fact that now scott has made it to the list the only thing that has made any ground on the review page of this site is sum 41. hmm yes that was very hard to understand. the post below this one makes no sense. this is an excellent example of a stupid person trying to sound smart and failing miserably. que lastima. Ever notice that until Scott wrote his top ten picks of 2001 my review of sum 41 is the only thing that has changed on the review page.. like ever... except for the way that things that were higher than it are now not because sum 41 has pretty much become the most popular band to read about on this site... now all you people who bitch and moan about sum 41 will have something to think about next time you want to come in here and read what the next person has had to say about how much you are retarted. fuck you all i wam drunk agun... time for throw up.. woohooooooo... i love life.. puke pukle pukke Oh, did I mention that you suck? People like this should not be allowed to review great albums. If you do not fully like the music, you suck, go away, we don't like you. Thank you. The comments on here have gotten so stupid, regular people should not have to see them. Aubin, please delete this review. Well, I'm back children. YEs it's me Kommisar and I have finally returned, I was absent for a month due to a recent bankrupty, and well I see that alot has went down since I last commented. I still think Sum41 sucks, but I still think all the bashing of Pat41 is a little extreme. That one kid who really wants to kill you Pat is a fucking moron, and an ass. My family is so black that when we hold hands we look like a stretch limo. ok all u gayass fuckers need a life i mean seriously if all u do is fight w/ people u dont kno on a message board then like go screw urself itd b more productive Intellegence is not what rory keeps saying about how black he is. Intellegence is not what most of the posts are... most of the posts are ignorant and thats all ill say. I think that most of these comments are pretty intelligent. We aren't hearing from any of those kids who are always saying shit like, "sum41 are shit. if you like them fuck you." That's pure stupidity. It seems to me that most of these comments are well thought out, but you just don't understand them pat41. Even Rory seems more intelligent than you do. First of all Im 20. Second.. I dont take everything so seriously.. believe me! I am just trying to make people realize what they are saying is, not wrong, but not right. Most of the time it is unintellegent and just plain dumb. People try and sound like they know what the are talking about but all that comes out is a bunch of bullshit.-pat41 we're not pissed at you. it's just fun to ridicule someone who takes everything so seriously, ya putz! how old are you anyway? I'm so black, I could show up naked to a funeral. How could be alcohol be only for rednecks and fratboys is more than half the world consumes alcohol on a regular basis? How is it that I MUST have been faking it? How come everybody thinks im 12 when im most likely older than any of you in here? These questions all come about after that last comment about me. Ohg yea another one... how come if you all hat eme so much you keep coming back here and keep getting pissed at me? mmmmmmmmm..........pizza. i just shat on my lap. figure that one out. Is anyone here from Chicago? If so, what's the best pizza you've had there? I usually eat Giordanno's when I go, but I'd like to try some other stuff. And by the way, I also made the post below, so don't rip on me for not writing anything that has anything to do with this review. I think that ripping the author of the original review a new asshole makes it apparent what I feel for sum 41. pat41 post #1: word im sooo drnbk right nwoie.... you all esucks... i hope you all realize thrtat by morningt tg when igtjlfd wake up.. peacretr out!!! I'm so black that the teacher always marked me absent at night school. How the hell could an Album review turn into a civil rights debate? Seems kinda off the wall to me, or maybe i'm just stupid. -SaYnE GuY I'm so black that when I go swimming it looks like an oil spill. Rory is Chinese. We may be on the same level except for the fact that i know that there is more to this site than hardcore punks and business men and the whole thing about the new no doubt cd. I can just tell by the new song that that cd will be terrible. They used to be a really good band but now they just suck a big fat one... gwen stefani is still MMAAAAAAADDD HOT though... other than that yea we realize that there is more to life than ultimate punkness and rebelling. I'm so black that I drink water and pee out coffee. Pat41, this is EXACTLY what I'm talking about, we are on the same fucking level and you are too dense to even notice. I'm saying fuck being so "punk" oriented, be open minded, wear a sweatshirt and listen to something new....it doesn't mean you're uncool, or not hardcore or anything. As for fathead, I never said ANYTHING about you...scroll down asshole, does it say "fathead" anywhere in my text? No, it does not. For your information I sat with several people at my lunch table at school and have never recieved a "wedgie" or a "wet willie". I think you need to get over yourself, not everyone is trying to attack you. You're obviously not "strong enough" to take my anger, because I haven't got any towards you but you're so paranoid you jump to the conclusion that I have some Freudian fixation on how I was tormented at an early age and I'm projecting that onto you. Christ man, lighten up. So does anyone else know why this message board is still exsistant. Im pretty sure everyone got their pennies worth x 4. Please erase this. -Rock my apologies to sr. potpourri for misquoting him in reference to the gay fag comment. however, everything else i said in reference to you still stands firm, especailly the head up the ass comment. i think brento otter pegged you right as the lamest guy in the world, not to mention the most ingnorant. at least dont admit to fathead being the reason you got into punk. Why would you want to tell everyone that fathead, a person that you have bever met before in your entire life, is the reason that there is more to life than "mtv punk". Why admit that to people and make yourself seem like a moron. Fathead is not a respectable person by any means.. just a moron you fuck! He makes good points and backs them up.. unlike you and a lot of other people on here.. but other than that he is just pretty dumb Actually, I wasn't into punk when I got on here. I liked Sum 41 a lot back then and when to a fan website where there was a link to this very review. I saw all the anti-Sum 41 comments and thought, "What the fuck?" One person I argued persistently about the matter was fathead, and he mostly was my influence to try some of the stuff on here. As for max999, about Muslims, being in a certain religion, I believe, constitutes ceratin behaviors that they have to follow- however, being of a different skin color doesn't mean special rights to do certain things that a white man would be punished for. eddie, you are the kid who sat by himself at the lunch table aren't you. i know it must have been hard for you, i mean, with the disgusting stinch and all, but man, channel your anger elsewhere. i've never done anything to you....oh i see, you associate me with all the big kids who used to give you wedgies and wet willies. well i understand now. its ok, i'll take the brunt of your anger. i'm strong enough.- fathead THE NEW NO DOUBT CD... THATS A LOAD OF CRAP... DID YOU HEAR THE NEW SONG?! THEY USED TO BE A VERY GOOD SKA/PUNK BAND NOW THEY ARE A VERY BAD POP BAND!! And why is it that their is only 2 types of people on this site... Super punks and business men(?!?!). How does that work... cant there be any punk fans but they arent all pro lets rebel and fight against authority like "real punks". This is a punk FAN site not a lets go out and by the tightest black jeans rip them and put them back together with safety pins and stud out jackets and pin a global threat patches on everything. Couldnt a punk be someone that listens to punk music but doesnt dress the part... god shut up and dont sound like such a moron and then try and tell us to listen to some good music but then mention the NEW NO DOUBT CD!!! Look, you are on a punk website. Nobody here is going to admit to being racist or sexist or anything like that. Because everyone here is convinced that they are this ultra-alternative, all-aqccepting, enlightened son of a bitch who listens to underground music and is part of this "scene" which makes them better than everyone else. Either that or you're just some upper-class suburban guy who listens to muzak and works in a cubicle staring off into a computer day aftyer day typing pointless comments and writing article after article on a punkwebsite that you found when you typed "punky brewster" into yahoo one day. I think we all know who I'm talking about. Open your minds, guys. Listen to OTHER genres of music, go out and buy the new No Doubt Cd. How can Sr Potpourri credit fathead with getting him into punk when he has probably never and probably will never meet him in his entire life.. obvously you were into punk before you heard of fathead since you were at this site. First of all, max999, I didn't call fathead a gay fag. I credit him with getting me into punk, and I agree with him on most things. Also, I know that there is racism against blacks and that there are blacks in poverty, but the civil rights people aren't doing shit for them. They've got their giant corporations and loads of money, yet all they are doing is a giant witch hunt for racists. Just because you're born in poverty doesn't mean you have to live a horrible life. One example is Jimi Hendrix. He came from a family with nothing, had nearly no education, and yet he came so far. Why? He tried. He persevered. Just bitching about your problems isn't gonna do anything. Also, witht the poverty and everything, there are two ends to the spectrum. What about the poor white boy whose dad didn't get a job because an underqualified person in a minority was hired so the employer wouldn't seem "racist"? Just because the loud-mouthed liberals in the mainstream media say they're the only ones who are oppressed against doesn't mean that's true. I believe in equal rights, but not special protection, that sums up my feelings. I'm so black, I make asphalt look grey. Basically the whole problem with affirmative action is that it is taking jobs away from people who may deserve it more than the other. Companies may have to reach their affirmative action requirement by hiring a black person over a white person who MAY be more qualified. I think jobs should be given to those who deserve them more. Yea there are some companies that would most likely have wealthy white racist presidents and CEOs that would hire all whites and thats what affirmative action is for but I still have a tremendous amount of disagreement with the affirmative action law.I apologize to max about calling her a guy... I didnt know that you were a woman I just saw the name max and figure it was maxwell... i forget that it could have been maxine or some other girls name. My apologies about the confusion... but I do think that you are the first person on here to make a point that would make me change my mind on a subject. I still think that blacks shouldnt use the word nigger but you gave me good enough reason to explain to me why they do use it. I wish the world could be rid of all racist people or that everybody could just realize that a skin color is just a skin color but I have my doubts about that happening. Blacks were only made black to protect their skin from the sun in Africa... not to show some sort of inferiority. I think people like Colin Powell have proven to some whites that blacks can have a huge impact on America... a good impact. But then again its people like Jesse Jackson that give blacks a bad name. Why was he Clintons advisor through the time when he was cheating on Hilary but then we find out that he was fucking around on his wife too?! That man has no sense of what is right for America... he wants more and more handouts for "his" black people and thats it. He isnt thinking about the welfare of the entire country... he is thinking about how much money the government/tax payers the put towards welfare and black scholarship funds, and other things to give every black person and easier life. The country is in severe debt and the LAST thing we need to do is give more free money to ANYBODY, white, black, brown, yellow, purple, red.. whatever. It really makes me mad when blacks think that they deserve more than whites... they dont. Waht they deserve is EQUAL to what the whites get. Thats what we have been pushing for for so many years and now that it is finally almost coming to an equality we have people like Jesse Jackson fighting to get blacks more and more.Maybe I would have taken that other guy a little more seriously if he EVER learned to spell senSe correctly! but again I should apologize about calling max a guy when she is not! SHAME ON ME... HAHA! Hey, you know that none of you are going to be able to change anyone's mind on here, so let's just cut the whole racism crap and go back to making fun of fathead. affirmative action hands blacks anything and everything. and its taxpayers money. its not fair. you would probably think it was really racist if people rallied for money taxpayers money to white people. blacks dont have to work as hard as whites. black colleges, many funded by the government, take all blacks who are willing to go. and they can get good educations there. affirmative action is oppressing blacks. its not going to make racist people suddenly become non-racist. affirmative action just keeps blacks from working towards their goal. they are given everything just like rich white kids. this might seem to come out equal for some but there is a huge minority of poor white people who are greatly affected by this oppression on blacks. because of affirmative action blacks dont have to try. they loose motivation and nothing gets done. its sad. i have nothing against any race. i love all black and white. i just want people to see this side of it. and hopefully reject these black organazations just like we all reject white organazation(kkk,war). they are equal. they are both trying to get ahead of each other. we are all equal. we need to fight against this act of racism. support a politician who is not going to take sides.(i.e. libertarian party). no one mentioned the black panthers, naacp, national urban league, united negros college fund. this is descrimination. i am poor. blacks get ten times the money i do(for college, etc.)JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE BLACK they get special treatment. its sick. i dont get anything extra. where is the Poor European American College Fund? Is that racist? cause its the same thing black people have. maybe that is racist. It makes no sence. I do know about jim crow and where many of these groups started from. that was over 40 years ago. its over. the gov. no longer oppresses people. the gov. just loves to hand as much money as possible to blacks. and they do. this is why i am a libertarian. in a sence, the white people like me, who are not scared to admitt it, are in a similar situation as the blacks were. fuck your p.c. bullshit. i just want to address two things: Can't we all just get along? Wait, not along...a stick. Then beat the hell out of some white guys. OK so I just went back and reread UltraBlacks comment and I came up with another question. How come it is ok for him to go ahead and say that punks are "A bunch of bored ass middle class back packed white kids who ain't got nothin to do so they act like they are finding music and act like they are finding intellect in polotics when all they really found was another team to try out for cuz they obviously got cut from the varisity"? How can he say that "Thats what I think of anyone posting here" when isnt that being discriminatory towards all punks? How come he is allowed to discriminate against us when we stood up for white people and we got bitched at? Why didnt whats his face bitch at ultrablack for being a total hypocrate? Because thats exactly what he is. Plus he is an ignorant shit that has no idea what he is talking about. If you really wanted to talk about black music, well quality black music, you would not have mentioned Kieth Murray. You would have brought up people like Marvin Gaye, 2 Pac, Jimi Hendrix, Public Enemy, Brand Nubian, Stevie Wonder, Wyclef Jean, Lauryn Hill, John Lee Hooker, Run DMC (not that piece of crap Crown Royal either), and I'll give you the Erik Sermon thing but at least learn how to spell his name. Also Sum 41 isnt from California. Is that just what you assumed because they were a successful group of white musicians? Because thats generalizing a type of person, just like you didnt want us to do to black people. Sum 41 is from Ajax, Ontario Canada. Ignorant bitch. OK Ill admit I dont know a LOT about the history of racism and whatnot.. Im more of a computer nerd. But I still dont understand how blacks can take a racial slur like nigger and make it into a term of endearment for their friends and family. Wouldnt they want to rid themselves of the term completely since it was used in such a negative way back when slavery was legal and even when they were being outrightly oppressed in the 50s and 60s. I know that yes not all whites have given the term up and have stopped using it but by them using it isnt that showing the white people that still use it that it is accepted? I can honestly tell you that I am NOT a racist. I believe in equal rights for all people and no matter what whats his face in the last long comment said I can say that without question. Yea I have black friends and I even listen to some black artists, DMX, Busta Rhymes, Public Enemy, and others like that but how can you say that because I do that I still cant consider my self not racist. Obviously I accept black culture and other parts of black society. I went to school in Lawerence MA one of the most poverty stricken cities in MA. You will probably say thats racist of me to say that I went to school in a poverty stricken city so that means that it must be a dominantly black city, well fuck that. I knew a lot of white people that lived there, as well as black, spanish, and other races. I accepted all of that for what it was. I did a lot of community service in that city to help the less fortunate citizens and saw that the race of the families in the homes I visited was evenly distributed, there was as many whites as there were black, spanish, lebanese, and any other race. There may have been more latino houses that were visited because the city is, by fact, a predominantly spanish city.For anyone to go ahead and call me a racist now I will accept it as long as you have intellegent evidence behind it like that last person did. That was the first comment in a while that did not piss me off to read. Although most of it was saying I was wrong I'll admit that I was because he had reasons why i was wrong and reasons that I was not aware of so I thank him for being intellegent and learned in the area being discussed. If you want to continue posting comments like this on here.. whatever... but this is a sum 41 review comment sheet and shouldnt we be discussing sum 41 or some aspect of music? If you agree with me but would still like to make your point to me email me... fols164@hotmail.com. Im open to anything that you would like to add to the subject. So, what? OK I have never said anything about joining the KKK or any group similar to it.. thats a bunch of horse shit! I was just asking why its ok for a black group to have an all black meeting and not allow white people or even just say that its an all black meeting. How can that be possible when if there was to be an all white meeting somewhere then it would be considered racist and prejudiced?!?! Why is it ok for black people to talk a bunch of shit about white people when its not for white people to do the same right back?!?! Yea so we put blacks through a whole bunch of shit like 1 hundred years ago but things are better now... sure not all white people are perfect and they still dont think that blacks are equal. Ill admit that. But I really like black, spanish, asian, whatever... people. I actually get along with them very well. Some of my closest friends over the years have been dominican or puerto rican. I have no beef whatsoever about blacks and latinos and whatever... IF they act rationally and try to sound intellegent. How intellegent does it sound to say "Thats why I fucked your mother" or even the word "nigga" while it may be spelled differently it still has the same meaning and shouldnt be used by anyone. Whites used that word YEARS ago to reject the black people but now black people are using it to call their friends and family. That just doesnt make sense.If anybody can explain any of these things to me it would be a great help and I dont want a bunch of shit about how blacks were oppressed years ago because you know what... .that was years ago... half of them werent even born then. Yea so their ancestors went through it but people make mistakes and people learn from them. I think (most) white people have learned from the mistakes that they have made but why does it now seem like the black people are trying to turn it around on us? Does this seem fair to any of you? I said nothing about having an all-white male group, I said that racism is reversed in America... I'm not discriminating against skin color, I'm angry about the behavior that is excused by skin color... One example- UltraBlack down there used the "n" word without any second thought of it. White people, in no context, are allowed to say that word. I personally don't. However, turn on any rap station and it will probabl be the first word that hits your ears. Along with being excused for saying that, you've got derogatory terms for whites use widespread such as "kracker", "honkey, and "whitey". (Cough*DoubleStandard*Cough) There are people who say Bush is a racist. How come he has more black people on his staff than Clinton ever did? In response to that, I have heard people say Powell isn't "Black enough." SOO, all black people have to think and act the same? That's just stereotyping even more? It makes no sense. UltrBlack is offended that I said that whites are hated, yet it's okay for him to say "after 400 years whitey gonna get whats comin to him. And he aint gonna like it." So, because I wasn't around during slavery and had nothing to do with it, I should get hurt? You are all a bunch of idiots, all of humanity should be nuked off the planet, and we most likely will be in about 10 years. ultrablack is right... well, not so much about puff daddy. But he's right in saying that the club you're looking for is the kkk. do you even realize what you are saying? a group for white males.... there you go. have fun burning crosses and shit. prejudiced fucks. Why don't you white son's of white bitches just join the KKK and get it over with. Or better yet, why don't you become fuckin' pigs and get to beat niggas like me down on the curb every day? You know thats what you really wanna do deep inside. I can see your hate writhing through your seemingly political comments. Thats OK. Whitey will pay. After 400 years of opression, whitey's gonna get whats comin to him. And he ain't gonna like it. Thats why I fucked your momma AND your sister and slapped them in the face with my big black dick. right on. i couldn't agree more. either fuck the black/african-american and womens goups or accept the fucking male, or white/european-american group. Sr Potpourri is right... white males are THE MOST discriminated against people in america. How can there be groups that consist of all blacks or all women and have that be accepted but if a group decides that it wants to be all male or all white then it is considered discriminatory? Explain that to me... -pat41ps. i have seen thursday 3 times brent bad religion, nofx, pulley, and union 13 are not 'underground'. nofx sells their shows out everywhere they go and bad religion is a punk legend. the singer of pulley is a fucking rich baseball player. the major league is hardly underground yo. listen to violet skies. they're very much underground. too much maybe. - - ralphaldo! Sr. Potpourri just surprised me by turning out to be even more of an idiot thay pat41. My condolences go out to pat41 for losing the honor of being the lamest guy in the world. what about muslims? Ha... punks say that killing anyone is wrong... this record is pretty terrible. this band just sucks. to say they are like mxpx is insulting. mxpx have talent. fuck, even blink 182 are better than this shitty band. if you people would listen to what pat 41 is saying i think hes right. "mtv" punk helped me discover more underground stuff. just because someone likes some pop stuff dosent mean they dont like underground stuff too. i like blink 182 and nfg, but i also like bands like pulley, union 13, nofx and bad religion to name a few. but you people still probably go on saying you suck pat 41 and you should die without even listening to what he says, which actualy makes sense. pat41, woops I have 2 number 2's. The second number 2 is supposed to be number 3 OK number one, Wanting to kill me because I have posted comments on something that I believe in and something that I think is right must be the DUMBEST thing Ive ever heard. Number 2 I have been supporting punk for years too. I think punk rock is the "best thing since sliced bread" and I am always supposting my local scene in any way possible. Just because I also happen to like sum 41, good charlotte and NFG doesnt mean that I only like the pop-punk side of punk. Number 2, I was making that generalization about punks to make a point to all you people. You have stereotyped all sum 41 fans into something that they may or may not be. Same as I did to you. Maybe I should kill all of you too.. would that make sense to you? Didnt think so. If this doesnt prove SOMETHING to you then I dont know what will. really, i don't like anyone who likes the mtv punk shit. it's a slap in the face to all us punks who have supported the underground scene for years. - fatheadIsnt "MTV punk" what could get people to notice what goes in underground punk scenes. The first punk band my friend ever listened to was Blink 182 about 5 years ago. Since then he has evolved in his "punkness" and is now enjoying punk as we all know it. Isnt that something positive out of the "MTV punk" thing. I also wrote the fathead is gay thing in a drunken stupor. I didnt know what I was writing, I, personally, hate when people use the word fag or gay of homo in a derogatory sense. I think people should be what they want to be and I just leave them be whether I agree with what they do or not. Isnt that something that punk, the attitude, is all about. Like Ive said a thousand times shouldnt we all just let what is be what it is instead of attacking it and wanting to kill it. While I havent always reasoned with you people I have most of the time tried to make sense of this whole sum 41 sucks thing and pat 41 is a moron because he likes sum 41. Is punk to you killing what annoys you or killing what you dont agree with. I know this is not the opinion of everybody on this site but i know that it is for at least one person in particular... I dont even bother to know his name because I think that little of him. If killing what annoys you is what you believe in should I kill my dad because he annoys me and pisses me off? Should I kill my teacher because he is ignorant and that annoys me? Or should I leave it be because thats the way things are. I try to deal with it in a ratioinal manner, not jump to murder everytime something annoying comes up. OK I have ranted and raved enogh and now its time for ALLLLLLL the criticism to come... bring it on, I know there will be a ton! I don't care if they're punk or not, I don't really care since their shows are boring and their music is unoriginal (Whatever happened to good songwiting?) but it doesn't matter. The thing that sucks is that you have people thinking this is the end all of punk, because they only know the handful of "punk" bands these on MTV. Heck there could even be a thrving amazing seen in some kids city and they wouldn't even kow about it, because they think this is the only thing punk has to offer. come on pat, take a joke man. oh i'm sorry, is it "uncool" to have a since of humor in your high school. feel the love man. And that guy who called fathead a 'gay fag' is a homophobe and probably a racist, and he should die too. Fuckers. Dear pat41, OK so fathead is saying that just because Im a sum 41 fan he doesnt want me on this site. Wow Im glad im not as cool as he is! Cyndi Lauper's back in the music industry? NO FUCKING WAY! i think he wants to kill you so it will eliminate the only Sum 41 fan left on this site. i don't want to kill you pat, i'd just like to flip you really hard in the nose.- fathead OK so I am not opposing to the idea of killing me, although id rather it didnt happen, I would just like to know WHY you want to kill me. Because I like sum 41 or because I am smarter than you and realize that not everything is about liberty spikes and studded belts. just leave pat41 alone you fuckers. hes allowed to like any thing he wants. and fathead is a gay fag. he tries to hard to be a sterotypical punk. at least pat has the balls to stick up for a band that he likes but no one else does. as far as the cd goes (this waht were supposed to commenting on right??) its ok but they did a bad job releasing their singles. in too deep sucks ass. nothing on my back should have been next I think we should all kill pat41. Seriously. Is anyone opposed? (pat41 doesn't count.) i love when people have the balls to sign someone elses name to stupid comments they make trying to be funny. don't sign my name to anymore seasame street speils fucker, or YOU WILL DIE!!!- the real fathead Hmmmmmm how did a band who is SO not punk end up as the most read album review in PUNKnews.org??? I agree they are not punk but if you all have so much to complain about why did you make this the most popular review?! HOW DID THIS GET READ 4480 times!? SUM 41 is dumb. HAHAHAHAHAHA I didnt know I wrote that.. kick ass! I'm not exactly sure what the first one means but thats ok i guess gafatjhead is gay word im sooo drnbk right nwoie.... you all esucks... i hope you all realize thrtat by morningt tg when igtjlfd wake up.. peacretr out!!! Have you guys ever thought about how clever the Sesame Street character "The Count" was? He teaches kids to cout and he's named the count!!!! FUCKING GREAT!!! Good times. The only downside is that if anyone else wanted to relate vampires to counting everyone would say that they are copying Sesame Street. It really is a connection that should be made more often. Oh well...-fathead Have you guys ever thought about how clever the Sesame Street character "The Count" was? He teaches kids to cout and he's named the count!!!! FUCKING GREAT!!! Good times. The only downside is that if anyone else wanted to relate vampires to counting everyone would say that they are copying Sesame Street. It really is a connection that should be made more often. Oh well...-fathead ... it was Fathead who originally called him the president, and i'm pretty sure he was joking too. Pat's been defending them for I don't know how long now, and all of a sudden says he doesn't even like them that much. I just thought that was funny. I was joking. You all need to calm down, not me. Wait, whoever made that dumbass remark about pat 41 being sum 41's president obviously has no fucking clue what they were talking about. I personnally never remember pat saying he was there president. I thought we were going to leave him alone, holy hell settle your ass down. I meant to say any GOOD metal punk bands I didnt say there wasnt any metal punk bands... i said sum 41 is not a good one... thats all. There are some really awesome metal punk bands. Strung Out and Bigwig would be my favorites. Hey, maybe they should do a split CD. Dude calm down, I didnt say I didnt like them at all. All I am saying is that the second album was nearly what Half Hour Of Power was. That album is so fucking good. Maybe if you could get your head out of your ASS then you might have realized what I was talking about. They have gone dowhill since getting popular. Why would they release In Too Deep instead of Motivation, or All Shes Got? Those songs are ten times better. Their next EP is going to be all 80's metal, I think the 80's metal gimmic has gone on long enough and it isnt funny anymore, nor was it ever really. They may be big fans but I dont think they are a great metal band. They are good at what they do and thats not metal. Pat182 you suck. You don't even like Sum 41 that much? You wrote this review. Your name is Pat41. They've gone downhill since they got popular? They havent changed a bit. They always sucked and always will. So are you resigning as president or what? Come on... they suck, you suck, it's a match made in heaven. Stay on as president. They need you. lets settle this. it's all relative. punk has it's super talented bands (choke,lagwagon,strung out,). the drum parts are near immpossible, and the guitars are no slouch either. classic rock has it's supertalent bands. no one can play like Jimi Hendrix, and Rush is in a category all their own(Neal Pert is a bad mutha fucka). yes, punk and classic rock have their shitty, simple bands that take very little talent to play. however, to judge a genre soully on a few bands is dumb. i'm sure you can play the drums well pat, but i've seen some instructional videos with Carter (DMB) along with live videos of DMB and he is a REALLY,REALLY good drummer. sum 41 sucks.- fathead I agree DMB violinist is good. On the other hand I wasn't calling whoever a "dumbass" I was stating people who support DMB are dumbass's. As I stated some classic rock, Hendrix, CCR, and Eagles are ok. But saying all punk is is distortion and power chords is wrong and some punk and classic rock drum parts are easy. But for the most part it takes talent to play the majority of drum parts in punk. Classic rock is well, for the most part simple. Kommisar Yea so punk drums are easy. Not a hard thing to figure out. Jeez! How can you judge what kind of drummer I am without EVER meeting me never mind hearing me play?! You people are ridiculous!! Dave Matthews band is not good at all, i dont see any talent in what they do except for that damn violin player. I dont eve like sum 41 that much! How can I be the president of their fan club if I'm not even that big of a fan. I do like them and enjoy there music but they have gone downhill since getting popular. Well, seeing as no one has presented any counterpoints to this ammohatespunk kid yet, I'll take a whack at it. Yeah, blah blah blah punk guitar parts are just power chords blah blah blah jimmy paige is my idol... Okay, whatever. I doubt that you've actually heard any punk. Just listen to some Fugazi or The Living End. There are some quite complex guitar parts (But you might wanna be careful, they us distortion [oh no! how evil!]). I used to try to like classic rock, but everyone's attitude of "You're not cool if you don't listen to it" just really bugs me. The basic structure of all classic rock songs are verse, chorus, verse, chorus, three minute long guitar solo, chorus, and maybe a bridge sometimes. One other thing: a lot of the more elitist punks have blamed many bands for being "lazy rock stars." Weren't the classic rock bands? They were the Limp Biscuits(not talentwise) of their time! Yes, they're talented, but they're pompous, pretentious moneygrubbing bastards! Lyrically, it's all cocaine-inspired and makes no sense. People just call it genius so it seems like they understand it and they look smarter to everyone else. Almost the same for DMB's lyrics. It's all a bunch of metaphorical love songs, and I really hate it when EVERY FUCKING SONG someone does is a fucking love song. As for the easy drum parts in punk, help me out drummers, I play bass. don't fucking lie you little wannabee, you might be able to keep the beat, but i highly doubt you can use a drum set half as well as Carter. by the way, i don't listen to DMB or even like them, i just know talent when i hear it, unlike you, leader of the sum41 fan club.- fathead mmhmm yea gave sum 41 8 stars... i jsut dont bother to change it for the comments. I play drums and have been for a while and DMB does not have any really hard drum parts.. they may be more complicated than the guitar parts but in no way are they "bad ass". If people can trash sum 41 then I will trash dave matthews... why the fuck are we even discussing a shitty fusion band on PUNKnews.org anyways?!?! DMB sucks and anyone that supports them should be shot.. hows that for turning it around on all you shit heads pat, yer dumb. eventhough i pretty much hate their guts, very few of dave mathews band are easy to play. every drum part is bad-ass. do know anything about music? oh wait, you gave sum41 5 stars, so that answers my question.- fathead Man this band is total SELLOUT! The thing about the singe trying to eat his nose while eating is so true. 4 years ago they played w/ Unwritten law and the singer accidently acutally a sucked his nose and he had snot in his mouth. Discusting from a musically discusting band. Oh yeah and everyone threw stuff at the band cause they sucked and it looked like they were gonna cry. Even back then they were always aiming for popularity because they covered a Mariah Carrey song. I laughed in their face. Everyone spat at them. ANYWAYS DONT SUPPORT THIS BAND, THEY ARE A HORRIBLE ALTERNATIVE BAND. NOFX DOES NOT SOUND LIKE THIS AT ALL. NOFX USED TO HAVE SOME SKA MELODIES AND THEY EVEN HAD SOME HARDCORE SKATE PUNK ANTHEMS BUT NOT SUM $41 THEY HAVE POP PUNK SONGS ALA BLINK 182 AND RAP SONGS AND THEY ARE BASICALLY A SKUNK BAND ALSO. THis I know because in Tv and even back then all they talk was about metal. How metal rocked, and they were/are basically a band who was influenced mosttly by metal and not punk or old school skate punk (NOFX,LAGWAGOn, PULLEY, PENNYWISE,ETC) Classic Rock had its good bands, Led Zepplin, Black Sabbath, Creedence Clearwater Revival, even Steppenwolf is an ok band. But I cant let the whole dave matthews thing go. Never did Dave Matthews Band produce a song that worth anything. They have bored me sicne day one. His lyrics are lyrically strong but other than that the music is simple and easy to play. The only thing that ever intrigued me about DMB is the violin player. That guy is the shit. I actually tried to like this band because of him but I just couldnt do it. -pat 41 I'm not really sure about who you are calling a dumbass Kommisar, but I hope it's not me. I also like classic rock and would say I probably have more diverse musical tastes than 99% of the people on here.(although punk rock is definately number one!!!) I was just insulting the idiot who comes on saying punk sucks, and I hope you were too. Carter Bofield, the drummer for DMB, is the SHIT. he is a bad-mamma-jamma. really really good drummer. the band however, get's on my nerves a whole helluva lot. and yes, classic rock does rule. NUGENT AND DEEP PURPLE FOREVER!!! Ok Pat 41 you listen to some good stuff like Weezer, Mad Caddies, and a few others. I apoligize. I will no longer hasle you about what you like. You have a good taste in most of the music you like. -Kommisar Wow AmMoHaTeSpUnK, you're totally right! Punk does suck. I'm only gonna listen to classic rock from now on! If you are actually serious, fuck off and never come back. You are fucking pathetic. Have you nothing better to do with you're boring hippie life? I think you have convinced absolutely no one of anything other than that you are very boring. Kommisar, I listen to Sum 41 because i like it. Isnt that reason enough.. i listen to a lot of other bands too, dropkick murphys (my favorite), rancid, anti flag, goldfinger, weezer, slipknot, system of a down, bouncing souls, big d and the kids table, kicked in the head, penyywise, operation ivy, at the drive in, mad caddies, hatebreed, gob (old gob the new stuff sucks), thats enough name dropping, maybe this will prove to you that i have an eclectic taste in music and that most people can if they have an open mind I am on a punk website to give you "punks" the truth about your horrible music. Punk is merely a way of drawing attention to yourself by not doing what everyone else does, disagreeing with everyone else, and critiquing everyone else. Yeah, punks hate it when they're stereotyped as having mohawks, studs covering their clothing, and whatnot, but they fail to realize that they relentlessly stereotype (jocks, preps, etc.) and hate others. Punk is not an art form, punk bands are no-talent hacks that have found a way to spread their extremist message in a way that sells better than an underground news organization or something of that nature. A true art form is classic rock. Your beloved punk bands will never have the same amount of talent as any one guitar player in classic rock. Open up your mind to the solid truth: I said he used to be good, but now well as I said before, He just sucks. I have a question. If you say punk sucks, why are you on a PUNK website?? And DMB sucks why? I gave a whole lotta reasons why punk sucks and none of you have given one counterpoint, just a "dave mathews band fuckin sucks... get u weak ass outta here" Oh, I guess he sucks because he's lyrics aren't anarchy-inspired and he doesn't use power chords or distortion and actually has talent. Dave Matthews used to be alright, but he just sucks now. Some classic rock is good. Pat 18, why do defend Sum 41, I mean there are just so many other good bands out there yet you choose to listen to them. They suck and by all these reviews haven't you realized that. Dude, you really are stupid if you dont realize that. You have no hope then. band*, my bad tho they dont deserve corecting Dave Mathews back fucking sucks get ur weak ass outta here. All punk sucks including this. Classic rock has great songs with really good guitar parts. Punk bands use nothing but distortion and power chords (because they have no musical knowledge), and the drum part is the same in every song. The lyrics also are stupid. Classic Rock songs and Dave Matthews Band songs actually have good lyrics that are thought-provoking. My favorite is when the little kids say that people with no tolerance for sum 182 make them embarrassed to be punk. Thats cool, because I'm embarrassed that you think you are punk. Hey stupid that wasnt the point the point was that they didnt put the crappy blink 182 album on the left side under "New Reviews" and they didnt have to put mine there. Hey stupid they post probably every thing since there are 2 stupid blink 182 reviews for the same crappy album And by the way... why do you keep commenting on my complete incorrect and down right retarded review? Dude, If they didnt want to post it they didnt have to! You NEVER saw the blink 182 "take off your pants and jacket" review under the newest reviews category because of the question of whether blink 182 is actually punk. Punknews.org doesnt HAVE to do anything... now why dont you take your completey incorrect and down right retarded comments and shove them up your ass! Shut up. I dont think they screwed up. I just think you were the only dumb ass who would waste their time making a review for this crappy album. They had no other choice but to post your complete incorrect and down right retarded review. Kommisar out I put this album up because I think this site has seen its share of albums that arent punk by any means. and since islan def jam declared them pop punk i decided to do it one day when i was bored... Maybe punknew.org fucked up when they put it on the database... did you think of that???? Hey guess what, I probably do listen to what you call good music. I dont JUST listen to sum 41. I dont only have one album in my collection. I probably listen to more "good music" than you do anyways. I just have a variety of music that I do like. Maybe you all should broaden your horizons... why dont you think about that one. And I have made more useful and intellegent comments than fucking kommisar has anyways so why dont you shut that FUCK up. Well I would have to agree with both of you. There are surly many bands that have alot better sounds then sum 96. Hey pat 41 listen to some good music once and while. Pull your head out of your ass and make aa good comment for once. AAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!! I fucked up AGAIN!!-SaYnE GuY I actually feel sorry for people like Pat41 and everyone else who listens to this shit. There are a shit load of bands that are 100 times better. But I guess pat is too obsessed about sum41 and making posts about them to give a listen.-SaYnE GuY Yeah answer us that you fucking moron. Hey dumb ass meaning you pat41 why would you review a non punk album on a punk site then- BEn Davis Yea and you meant "pErtaining"... you can all go fuck yourself because you SAY sum41 gives punk a bad name but they arent even claiming to be punk. Island put the "pop-punk" label on them because of the sudden craze for it. Anyone thats asks them in an interview what kind of music they play they answer with "rock and roll". Good show. Pat 41, what the hell is your problem lately. I mean before you were still out-right retarded, but now you just whine and bicth all the time. Shut up already. I think you should actually start making comments partaining to Sum 41 and not me. Ya know kommisar isnt making punk look bad its people like you Pat 41 and bands like sum 41. since evey one makes a name for themself you can call me - Ben Davis Your done Kommisar. Nobody wants to hear what you have to say. If you look at what comments you have posted you will notice they are worthless and sound as if a 5 year old posted them. Go away you make punk look bad. Wow that was harsh. What the hell is up your ass Pat 60? Kommisar out any band that has a math name sucks kommisar... just dont comment anymore.. you suck and nobody cares about what you think.. fucking moron Well it seems that this sight has staryed away from actual reviews so I'll give one. Sum 41 sucks terribly. The cd sucks and the group is awfull. Dont waste your money on this one. Kommisar out Yeah, I guess I could lay off with the bashing... everyone else does it, so I guess they don't need me. yea... whatever kommisar... i dont even care anymore. I'm not in the fucking mood to argue, and I'm not in the fucking mood for shit from anybody, just making my post to give everybodsy shit to bitch at me about Ok I actually try to be nice to you pat 41 and you go and say all that shit. Well what i meant was that I might not agree with you but you are entitled to your opinion. Jesus Christ just shut the hell up. Kommisar out OK that probably one of the stupidest comments ever posted. An opinion cant be wrong. Thats why its an opinion and not a fact. You can have a difference of opinion with me thats fine but my opinion cant be wrong. and once again eddie w is not funny First of all, I think when people call other people something its damn funny. I can somewhat see how making fun of Pat 41 is kind of getting old, as is making fun of Sum 41. I will admit that some people have some great and extremly funny comments (cough* cough* Eddie W cough*) but after awhile it gets tiring. Now if anyone wants to rip on Sum 41 be my guest, I mean hell, they suck, but Pat 41 is intitled to their own opinion, even if it's wrong in my eyes. Kommisar out. Sorry, I was mistaken. Sr Potpourri doesnt down people just because they like this band. I do apologize to him. He does down the band a lot and I do have to say that he doesnt think of himself as king and tyrrant of the underground. He just thinks that he is so much more sophisticated, punkwise, because he listens to things that are considered more punk than sum 41 and blink 182. I do give him props for not being too pop-punk but take some away for the bashing of bands like blink and sum 41. By the way, when did I ever say you're stupid because of your opinion? I remember saying earlier, When did I ever say I was "king of the underground"? I've said that I don't like them now because when I started listening to other punk bands it just seemed so mediocre. I don't think I'm the "king of the underground" in any way. I try to be humble. My philosophy is: "There's always someone out there who disagrees with you and can kick your ass." I would consider myself way inferior to most other punks. I have only been into punk for less than a year; I have nothing to brag about. Just my two cents, everyone can start nitpicking and namecalling now... This review is getting ridiculous. Eddie W is not funny Kommisar, all he has done is call someone stupid and disagreed with what someone has said. That is what most of the people on this review and site have done. I thought that somehow we had realized that we were getting out of hand with the name calling and trashing of a band that has every right to have fans as any of the "true punk" bands out there. I thought we had moved passed all this when we got into the 'what punk means to me' conversation, but sadly I was wrong. Somehow the meaning of punk yielded a conversation about nsync. Then more people ruined it by going back to the same old, you are stupid and you suck because you are a fan of a band that I dont particularly enjoy. I have always said that I hate fathead, but right now he is the only one amongst the rest of you with an opinion that has been backed up. Kommisar has always commented on how funny or stupid the person commenting below him is, and Sr Potpourri rarely ever has anything more intellegent to say than, 'I used to love this band but now I hate them because I am king and tyrrant of the underground'. Everyone is entitled to an opinion of their own and they have the right to feel the way they do about a certain type of music. No one is stupid for liking any certain band. Maybe that is the problem with modern "punks". These so called "punks" all try so hard to be different and original but in the end always fail because its still the ones that are dressing just like the rest of the "punks". Spikes as far as the eye can see, studded belts and enough elmers glue in their hair to keep the country sticky for years. Maybe people should start realizing that it isnt the way they dress or the bands they listen to that makes them punk. And this is probably the only time I will say this but maybe people should start taking hints from fathead and having an opinion of their own but backing it up at the same time. all i want to say is that realy pop-punk music like Riverdales, the Ramones, the lillingtons, chixdiggit, and others are good. this kind of punk-looking-pop music like Sum 41 and Blink 182 is not good. it's as simple as that.- fathead Well well well I see thhe opinions havent changed in my absence. Eddie W. you are funny and seem like you no what you are talking about. Now these other ass clowns who are all pro-pop are fucking retards. Kommisar out Snappy, you're a fucking idiot. Grammar IS spelled with an A, and if you don't believe me, why don't YOU type it into your fucking word processing program and hit spell check. Jesus Christ. What an idiot.... A word to the wise...if your going to try to rip on someone...make sure your passage is spelled right with correct grammEr. It's g-r-a-m-m-e-r not grammar. If your not quite sure, try typing your little put-down in your microsoft word/works. You won't be made fun of then. Seeked is not a word....its sought out help. Umm, yeah so thats all i have to say about the stupid people trying to defend this CD. On a side note, the All Killer, No Filler CD is an awesome CD. it has so much energy and is very uplifting. It puts a smile on my face whenever I listen to it. OedipusWrecks... Clever name. This score is for that name. Oh gos I started a 12 year old argument. -pat 41 Smurf- You're full of shit. It wasn't "really late" and you know it. And you know how I know that? Bewcause you wrote fucking 'sence' again! You're a liar, smurf. Have you seeked help for this problem? Or maybe you should just try to cover up your lying better, because you did a real shitty job. You need to stop listening to Nsync and enter the real world. Your lies, and your grammar, and your poor taste in music all display your immaturities. Maybe you need to stop acting like you're fourteen. Yea sorry it was really late when i made that comment (on the spelling n shit)But still what eddie said made no sence that he didnt like them for playing a show. And ah Nsuck fan please exit the site im just gonna ignore your comments. lol yea i made my comment pretty late so sry bout spelling i actully forgot what CD i was commenting on for a sec hehe... I think smurf must be the fat, ugly one in Sum 41that they never let be on TV, or in any pictures at all. Stop trying to promote you fucking shitty music smurf because I'm embarassed for you. Nobody deserves this kind of torment, so just shut the fuck up... at least until you learn to spell half of the words you're trying to use correctly. Oh, grammar too. That's important. Just kindly advice because no one is taking you the least bit seriously at all (and your parent wish you were never born). hey smurf, Eddie from what you wrote your saying sum-41 is bitter for playing a show the record company most likly set up...Cuz u know how the urge is with island records also? yea so wake up bud. Ive seen no one on her with a lagitamate reason for why they dont like sum 41 the only one that makes any sence is you dont like there music and i respect that. Punk or not, Sum41 still sucks. -SaYnE GuY Last time I saw Sum41 live they played with the Urge. I really don't like the Urge mainly because of that show, the guy was talking about shit and he made a really inappropriate comment about Gwen Stefani having a "nice rack". I really don't think they should disrespect Gwen like that. she works hard and makes an honestly living just like they do. They shouldn't mock her just because she happens to be much more attractive and talented then all of them put together. the Urge is bitter, and so is Sum41. Sup kids the smurf is back... If i was going to make a semi anti jock video id sure chose the diving team. I think the cd sucks so i would recomend not buying it but if you wanna waste your mney go right ahead,there better than blink though Hee hee hee/That was funny fuck you rory, nejyo that shit Dude, he did. Hey Pat41, And to go further on the last comment, there are more bands that I enjoy other than Sum 41, Blink 182, Good Charlotte, NFG and other pop-punk bands. Just because I happen to think that they are decent bands and worth my while to listen to them MUST mean I dont have an interest in any of those good cds you talked about. I wish people would have a little mroe common sense and inteligence in them nowadays. -Pat 41 Kommisar... I really have ahd enough of your shit. I hate you now. You think that you are so fucking great and that you have the BEST taste in music. Well FUCK that. People are different and people have different tastes in music. Anyone that bases their opinion of someone based on the kind of music they listen to is a fucking "wanker", as you say. Why dont you stop fucking saying the same thing OVER AND OVER and not come to this review anymore since you have nothing productive or intellegent to say EVER. Kommisar... I really have ahd enough of your shit. I hate you now. You think that you are so fucking great and that you have the BEST taste in music. Well FUCK that. People are different and people have different tastes in music. Anyone that bases their opinion of someone based on the kind of music they listen to is a fucking "wanker", as you say. Why dont you stop fucking saying the same thing OVER AND OVER I just have to say that Blink and Sum 23 both suck terribly. I think anyone who likes them are wankers and wouldn't know a good cd if it bit them on the fat nasty ass. And by the way NOFX could be the "god fathers of modern punk" as you say but he didnt ask who made them the god fathers of modern punk did he "dipshit" he asked who made them the "Gods of punk". Their may be 1000 other bands better than Sum 41.. thats all a matter of opinion. But people sometimes like to listen to music that they enjoy and makes them happy.. isnt that what music is all about anyways?? NOFX are the godfathers of modern punk dipshit. Sum 41 just sucks, why would you waste your money on that shit when there are 1000 other bands out there that are 20 times better. At first I didn't like this CD, but it's growing on me. Good new school punk with Blink 182, MXPX, and NOFX influences. Fat Lip, never Wake up, Heart Attack, are all good songs. Gonna go see them live this month with GOB and the Vandalls. I never said anything about blink 182 not selling out because they obviously did. But you do have to admit that as soon as "Good Riddance" became popular Green Day said hey people are anjoying this softer side of green day a lot more lets keep it up. Therefore came "Macy's Day Parade", most of "Warning", "Waiting", and most recently "Pop Rocks and Coke". They arent terrible songs but they are looking to more of the more emotional sensitive side of Green Day just like "Good Riddance" Oops. typing error. Green Day and all the 80's punk bands stayed true to their fans, not Blink. I'm only half awake, you know. A couple posts down (kid with the "SOOOOOOO"s) you mentioned that Blink 182 did not go straight to the radio waves. Duh! They used to be quite an enjoyable punk band. They, instead of Green Day, the Ramones, etc. stayed true to their fans. As they matured in popularity, they also matured musically. Blink 182, as they have matured in popularity, have grown more and more immature. Here's another way to put it: Green Day has grown up with their fans, Blink 182 has thrown away their old fans and replaced them with younger kids who spend their money carelessly, if you know what I'm getting at. Selling out isn't just going to the radio, as we have recently seen with Saves the Day. Selling out is "when the music is in your wallet and not your heart." (BigWig, 'stay asleep...') In other words, selling out is changing how you act, how you think, just to gain status with the popular majority. Larry Lawrence secretly beats off to his AFI albums in his closet. Sad. Eat that cock monkey Green Day has been around for longer than 8 or 9 years. 1,039 smoothed out happy hours came out in 1990. Thats 11 years ago. And second, the sex pistols and the ramones have been around since the early 70's. I would say they had more to do with "inventing" punk. Also who ever said I thought the sex pistols were sellouts?? I said the sex pistols kind of clothing and style to dress has become popular with teenie bopper girls these days. It isnt their fault they didnt make it happen, I just noted that they started it and now its trendy. I just think they( Sex Pistols) werent sell outs Eat that cock monkey. yer all a bunch of turds.- fathead I wish I were sum 41 so i could choke on a bratwurst and die. AFI is better than these kids could ever hope to be. Don't get me wrong, I hate AFI but they're better than sum 41. And by the way, you may have known about the ramones and sex pistols before green day, but green day's been around for like 8 or 9 years. I heard that they invented punk, not those other bands. And let's not get on this whole definition of punk thing. Rory's right. If the sex pistols were around when cosmo girl were around i bet they would have been in it too. Its like trendy to wear sex pistols t shirts and sex pistols inspired "punk" clothes. and dont people ever get sick of changing the numbers in the name of a band.. god im glad they dont its just so damn funny.. ha. I agree old Greenday is better. But the Sex Pistols never appeared on Cosmo Girl. Blink used to be good and I will also agree that there old stuff is better but they nsold out and well Sum 90 just plain sucks. WOW blink 182 SOO didnt go straight to the radio waves with their stuff. If you knew anything about them or the radio you would know that their first album that had a single off of it at all was Dude Ranch. They had Cheshire Cat and Buddha, 2 full lengths, before they even released Dude Ranch. Sum 41 may have released Makes No Difference off of their first album but that doesnt make them a bad band just because they had radio single off of their first full length. Fucking the Ramones had radio singles off of their first album, The Sex Pistols were #1 on the BillBoard charts in England and people still consider them 2 of the best and most influential bands in punk/music history. So stop trying to be all Underground King when you just "discovered" punk and the underground not too long ago, and even then you liked sum 41. Plus the fact that Green Day has SOOOOOOOO sold out as of late. Compare Kerplunk and Dookie to Warning and the new single Pop Rocks and Coke. Wow what a fucking difference.. the new stuff is pretty bad and is not what I consider to be punk, so should they be completely removed of relationship with the word punk? Who's trying to eat their own nose? At least Green Day worked for their money. Their first two releases were without radio singles and they had already built up a fan base before going to the mainstream, and they have not changed their music so that all the little preteens will buy it (unlike a certain band that rhymes with Drink my Matey Too). Sum 41, on the other hand, went straight to the radio and fought real hard to be on MTV. Hmmmm... Granted Green Day is awesome, the Ramones and the Sex Pistols were before them. I do agree that Sum 41 is terrible. I just hate you Pat63 because you have awful comments and you suck. Greenday was the first punk band ever. This doesn't even come close to greenday. fuck sum41. Kommissar, not that I care but I'm just curious, how could you possibly "hate" me. You dont even know me. If you hate me because I like Sum 41 you are stupider than I thought. I ment to put a half star. My bad. -SaYnE Guy I am going to mathematically prove that Sum41.395325 sucks. Here we go! Well at least you got one think right ya butt pirate. I do hate you. Sum 65 is god awful they just plain out blow. I mean how can you like them so much. OK... Uknown, maybe you cant read very well either because that komissar kid "hates" me. He has said that in his past 2 comments and has never agreed with me. Whatever. I think this is 1 of the best c.ds I've listened to in a long time.It definitly beats all of those stupid boy bands that sing like girls. This is great music. If you don't alreadly have this c.d (which I doubt since all of you are major Sum 41 fans) go out and buy it. If you don't already have Half Hour of Power go and get that too. Its a great listen! True you may be a good debator Pat 41, but is that really the point. I think that Kommisar kid just repeated what you said because he agreeded with it and then you jumped on him. Calm down. wanker. Ha Haha I really hate you Why dont I get a life I'm not the one who likes Sum 78 Shit eater. ass clown huh? Well that has to be the single dumbest thing ive ever heard of. Why dont you grow up, get a life, and learn to live with the fact that you were wrong, I proved you wrong every time you tried to come back at me with some stupid comment. Deal with it! Potpurri does have a point. I feel some what sorry for Pat 23 because he is an ASS CLOWN Ha...haha I have no sympathy for him. their lead singer really sucks Yes, I truly hate people who say they're rap rock. They're, as fathead puts it best, "pseudo-punk." I kinda feel sorry for Pat41 because everyone's picking on him just because he likes one band that everyone else loves to hate. Just give him a break. But still, I'd just like to pint out that SUm 41 are a bunch of no-talent hacks that got signed by the island because they sent them a tape of them doing "Jackass"-type stuff. Sum 41 are so NOT rap metal. Fuck people they rapped in 2 songs between the 2 albums. Give it up! so are sum 41 another rap metal band?? It isnt about the image because I dont care about my image. I listen to music I like, I happen to enjoy Sum 41. If that is wrong well then I dont really give 2 shits, let me be wrong. I do also enjoy real punk though, Dropkick Murphys, Rancid, NOFX, Bouncing Souls. Sum 41 isnt concerned with their own image either. It may seem that way to a lot of people who see them on MTV but if you knew anything about the music industry you would realize that the constant pushing for mtv air time is because of island def jam, their label, granted they dont mind the exposure but would you? How can you put me down because of caring about my image because i like a band, isnt part of the punk attitude not stereotyping like you just did to me? answer me that YA MORON! Suck my balls. I'll only agree with you once, but how can you say it isnt about the image when you like some one like Sum 41? Answer me that you anal farmer. I think Ive have said enough wow kommisar... i think it was me that was saying the stuff about it not being the clothes or appearance that makes you what you are.. or were you not reading correctly. Hate me all you want.. i have made some good points and I stick by them so you can go to hell. oh yeah, I hate you Pat 41. I think it was you that was making fun of my trademark" I think I have said enough" Burn in hell you ass clown. I think I have said enough. I havent been on here in a while, but I think Potpurri has a damn good point. I think that it isnt the clothing or the image it is the complete opposite. Pretty much Pat 41 can kick my dogs ass with his homo remarks and his dumb fuck reviews. I thin I have said enough. hey guess what im the one who wrote that whole thing, and if you find it to be ridiculous, well it was supposed to be, i like sum 41, there not the greatest but they do what they do fairly well, it was just supposed to show how ridiculous everyone is getting with the sell out, or not sellout thing. Wow whoever that anonymous guy 2 comments below me is is a fucking moron. Lets not have an open mind about much you shit head. How could you not know that sum 41 is on MTV. If you are a fan of sum 41 (which it seems you kind of are judging by your 4 star rating) you would know that they are on mtv. If you went to their website and saw anything that has to do with their email list the "Bomb Squad" then you would know that sum 41's label is pushing them like crazy for TRL. As for not watching MTV fine whatever, but "would never hang out with anyone who watches mtv or or anything mainstream"; gee your whole give up the punker than thou just became so irrelevant to me. I'm sorry Lord of the Underground but some of us judge people by who they are not by which TV station they watch or what clothes they wear. Punker than thou, fuck that I'm not "punk" at all and I'm "punker" than you. At least I have respect for people before I judge them on material and unimportant things. Yeah, sure. Living in nicer houses than SUm 41? Half of the people on here are in college or on their own in life. Yeah, I live in my parents' house, but I'm 14. I'm middle fucking class, dude. I doubt I have a tenth of Sum 41's money. wow, i NEVER watch mtv, i dont know anyone who watches mtv, and would never hang out with anyone who watches mtv or or anything mainstream. so for those of you who know sum 41 is on mtv, wow you guys are sellouts, and if someone told you they were on trl (whatever show that is) well your still a sellout. jesus christ couldnt unite everybody so i doubt this sum 41 band will either. How about everyone tries this new thing its called being a fan. you dont have to be bitter about bands that you dont listen to and hate. just listen to the shit you want to listen to and stick with that formula. And lets face it, most of the people here who call bands like mxpx, and sum, and nfg, etc. lets not kid ourselves you guys probably live in nicer houses than they do and drive mommy and daddies brand new suv into the ground. So lets quit the whole punker than thou thing, and just listen to what you like. in conclusion....fuck everyone yeah we just disagree with you abt sum41 So pretty much what sayne guy and sr potpourri are saying is that they completely agree with me. They both jsut took my words and pretty uch made them into their own. I think punk is, adding to Sayne Guy's statment, also, sticking to your guns, like not giving in to the beliefs of all of your "friends" who haven't heard more than like two punk songs yet constantly say it sucks for reasons they can't prove. I just think punk is not being molded by other people into what they want you to be. WOW. I didn't think that my comment would start a big argument. Lucky me! To me, punk is not giving a shit about what everyone cares about, like trends, society, and authority. Punk is being yourself and letting it show. But that's just me. -SaYnE GuY Your mom still has caterpillars in her vagina. You can love punk music and not be punk. I have always thought of punk as more of an attitude than a genre of music anyways. Obviously punk is a type of music but if you look up the word punk in the dictionary you get the slang meaning that is "of poor quality, worthless; weak in spirits or health". There is nothing in there about music or a way to dress or a way to act. That is why when I type punk as a way someone is I always put it in quotes. Punk is undefinable it cant be defined as turning your music up loud, rebelling against authority, and other acts, the word "punk" to me means being yourself and not letting what other people are doing, saying or thinking affect the way you act or dress. That is pretty much all im going to say other than that I agree that In Too Deep is not a great song, it is not a terrible song but it isnt the best work sum 41 has put out yet. I wasn't saying that just because you dress a certain way you're punk. I said, "a love of punk music" makes you punk. I don't have spiked or colored hair, I don't dress EXTREMELY differently, I just don't wear brand-name shit. I like punk. I hate the trends. I would consider myself SOMEWHAT punk. Besides, it doesn't really matter how punk you are anyways. I am punk. I wear punk band shirts too! Plus once in a while I put my hair in some cool ass blue liberty spikes... I MUST BE THE "PUNKEST" GUY EVER!!!! Senor Potpourri is pretty much a fashion punk.. thinks dressing the part makes you the part. He also wears shirts of punk bands EVERY FUCKIN DAY. Yeah, a mohawk doesn't make you punk, but a love of punk music does. "The punest kid on the planet." There is just so much wrong with that statement... besides since when does having a mohawk make you "punk"? And no i wouldnt say at the drive in is really punk. They call themselves "emo-core" and I'd have to agree. The punkest kid on the planet goes to my school... he's got a mohawk like Lars Frederiksen and sometimes he slicks it back and it fucking rules. By the way, ATDI isn't punk? What the...? OK to tell you the truth I hang out with a lot of Sum 41 blink 182 NFG and Good Charlotte fans and NONE of them claim to be punk or anything close to it. They just like to listen to music that is fun and gets them pumped up. Thats all "pop-punk" is for. To tell you the truth I dont know that many people that are actually punk, myself included. I know people that listen to punk music and there are always those people that dress "punk" but I dont know anyone that actually looks, feels, and acts punk. I hope its not going to "WAST" either. but yea whatever that is What realy fucking pisses me off is all the 12-year old PREPS who think they are so "punk" cuz they listen to Blink, Sum 41, NFG, and Good Charlotte. They wouldn't know punk if it bit them in the ass. It makes you wonder if all the hard work bands put into the scene is all going to wast. I sure hope not. -SaYnE GuY OK Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park and all those bands are rap rock bands but i really dont think they are comparable to Sum 41. Not because Sum 41 is a better band but because the style of rap rock is completely different. OK I'd give you the At The Drive In thing except for the fact that they arent really a band anymore, plus are they really a punk band either? As for the Mad Caddies... there are comparable bands, their sound isnt completely original either. First that comes to my mind is Kicked In The Head. They arent a well known band but they do the ska, punk, reggae thing much better than the Mad Caddies do most of the time. for the first time, we might have an intelligent argument on our hands Pat41. What you said is true, about most bands (especially punk bands) not sounding too original. I have a theory that everything in the realm of music has already been done by someone somewhere. It's combining the right elements to make your sound appear original. Take the Mad Caddies for example. They play ska, yes, but they bring in punk, reggae, pop, and dixieland to make a combination that is very unique. At the drive in is probably the most original sounding band out today, in my opinion. Sum 41 just combined the well-overdone rap-rock sound to get a big hit. Granted, they sped it up more than most, but it's still basically the same as limp biscuit or kid rock or linkin park.- fathead OK lets type out real words here please... "lol". And fathead once again i must ask you... how many bands these days are actually putting out original music?? Not that many. Most bands are using "someone elses" style although how can you actually give possesion of a style of music to a band? If you ask me style belongs to the music not to the bands that play them. I simply couldnt understand a word you just said hey all u mofos u r so gay omg sum 41 is the best u must hav absoulutley no life if u diss a band u dont even like on a website w/ music u think u like cuz u r all pop princesses deryck is the hottest guy evr so all u homoz can go drool at his face somewhere else theyr CDs r the best if u hav listend to them b4 u would kno.....u bitch esp handle this & heart attack r the best songs & daves possesed hair/its what were about so go away yet again, i must spread the word that Sum 41 is neither talented, original or even good. they ripped off about 5 different bands to make the most ear friendly sound available, made some cheesy ass videos, and proceeded to ride the punk style all the way tho the top of TRL. way to go guys, you're really in it for the love of the music. your integrity astounds me.- fathead Oh by the way the 5 stars is for how funny some of you jackasses are i agree with the statement the person below me just made OK this review post is worthless. People have no more common sense. For one Sr Potpourri you are a two faced bastard. First you like sum 41 but then you claim that the review site changed your mind. How bout you go and get a mind of your own. Earlier you said sorry if Im trendy... well you are so shut the hell up. Second this is to fathead. YOU HAVE NO LIFE CONSIDERING YOU POST ON THIS WEBSITE ABOUT ONE MILLION TIMES. You also go into bands post like this one that you do not care for but you manage to post on this the most. Go jack off or something more productive than posting dumbass comments. Third I pretty much agree with PAT on this board, Im not kissin ass or anything just think hes got a point. Now to the subject. Sum 41 is a good band. THEY ARE NOT PUNK. THEY ARE NOT POP. THEY ARE NOT EVEN POP PUNK. AND RAP???? my god people. whatever they are they play hard, have fun, and put out some decent music. This cd is no where near their first release but it is still a good listen once and a while. Anyway how about you fucks grow up. Hey thats alright... no offense taken other than the fact that you are a complete moron and im planning on running you over with my car my bad pat 8 1/2. didn't mean to offend ya. -fathead yea cuz i forgot how funny it was to change the numbers in a bands name yeah you have said enough. Oh yeah cant forget about SNFU...but I wouldnt even think of using SNFU and (Insert name here)----> ___________ In the same sentence. it's not that i don't have my own opinions I just think some people make really good ones. I think i have said enough i wish that kommisar kid would get an opinion of his own let's not forget SNFU, Gob, Propaghandi, and Dead Letter Dept (who hale from Sum 19.5's hometown). all of them blow sum 62 out of the punk pool.- fathead All headache, wheres the asprin...is an appropriate title. This band is NOT punk and I will say that no matter what. Canada has produced such great talent than to have it overshadowed by this shit. It dosent seem right...sector seven, belevedere, reset, DBS, and many others are way more talented than these jokers. Canada is awesome...although Sum 41 is not... I know I'm gonna be in deep shit for this, but Sum 41 isn't all that bad. Yes, they are a bunch of no-talent hacks that got signed to The Island because they sent them a video of them doing Jackass-type stuff, and yes, they have a mainly pre-pubescent fan base. However, listening to other punk, it just seems they all have something in their ass. EVERYONE in punk has to be SO serious (the bands that only write funny songs are trying too hard, they are being serious, admit it) and Sum 41 is good for a listen every now and then to just kick back and just not be so damned serious. All praise fathead. He is all knowing. I think I have said enough EX-FUCKING-ACTLY!!!THey dont care about the music. they could have exploited any type of music to make some money, but NOOOO!, they had to pick punk. fuck them.- fathead i don't think they care about the music. let them have a good time They suck. Get over it. Jesus! They are god awfull shit-headed Canadian, ass licking penis's. I think I have said enough Not punk not punk not punk! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Whats your dad again... you anonymous dumbass who always fucks the reviews, if you don't have anything to say except that we all have insects in our ass well you are a damm asshole is this band pop-punk? nope I wish we could all be that um... funny? your mom has catapillars in her vagina. i think ALL KILLER NO FILLER was a great cd, i like every song on it and they got a good sound. I love Sum 41's music but I don't like when they break things I was going to invite them over to my house but I thought that was a good idea but I heard that they destroy things and I'm not inviting them to my house at all!!!! this is a good album, for me to poop on. Hey, Pat. It's not like we have lives or anything. I know that I spend most of my worthless one playing music, listening to music, and on this site. I have the dignity to admit that, but it appears you don't. You're just coming back here to see what kind of comments this thing gets (some are funny as hell) and that's what the rest of us are doing. Hold up! Pat 41. I think you suck. I think Sum 41 sucks. After Sum 41 leaves us (hopefully soon) Why don't you just go move in with all your butt buddies in some two room shack in the Canadian Wilderness. Hey you know whats even more stupid than me writing a review for this album, the fact that Punknews.org posted it and the fact that you all keep commenting on it when all you are doing is leaving it at #6 on the most read reviews... and probably the #1 most commented on review. Now thats what I call stupid! pat 41 likes this shit, you cant get any dumber than that Ok if they don't classify themselves as punk then why did you even put a review for them on PUNKnews.org? Pat41, don't bother insulting anyone elses intelligence after doing something as idiotic as that. Man they blow big bad donkey penis! My god the only thing good that came out of Canada is........... ahha! Canadian Bacon. Sum 41 needs to be shoved of the bigtower in Toronto. Hah they blow, I hope they go away very quickly. Go to Hell you Canadian shitheads. this band, and pat 41 are poopie.- fathead After all the comments on the intellegence level of the lyrics and the talent it takes to play sum 41's music people who dislike the band go and make comments like "this band is poopie" and "this band licks assholes". What does that tell you about the intellegence level of people who dont like sum 41. Not to say that the quality of the music is dependent on whether the listener can make an intellegent comment but it takes a little more to impress me than putting forth one childish remark about why you dont like the band. If you are going to comment at least back it up with a reason. If you think this band is "poopie" at least give a reason why it is so. Or at least tell me what kind of assholes the band licks... is it donkey assholes or dog assholes or human assholes or what? this band licks assholes this band is still poopie First of all, the way you spelled "potpourri" would be pronounced "pot-per-oy" and second, that comment was retyped from when I was a fucking ignorant little kid. Sum 41 is horrible. I cannot thank everyone on this site enough for getting me away from them. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!- fathead that last comment must have been a girl because no guy would ever say that this cd is the best cd they own. This is by no means an INCREDIBLE cd at all its just really good for having a good time this is the best fucking cd i've ever had. omg, i love Sum41. if you don't, fuck you!!!, cuz i love them!!! get a life if you don't like them!!! I really honstley think u shud all get a life sum 41 are brillaint they r the best band out in england at da mo. senor potpurroi NEVER WAKE UP ISNT EVEN A SONG ITS A STINT! GET IT RIGHT!!!! Yeah, they're not punk. Get 'em the fuck off this site! OK I just thought Id let everyone know that I was just at the sum 41 website and there is a page where you can ask the band a question... take a look at this: hey everyone fucking rollins band was on SNL so fuck that lots of punk bands have been on snl(i'm not counting the psuedo-punks blink182 and sum41). bosstones, green day, rancid, the clash, FEAR.- fathead Sure Pal...your mom says hi. don't like sum41, but weezer was on snl. no one complained. in fact, green day's been on snl too. How about I put it this way: Sum 41 makes my liver hurt. Ouch!! i never thought a band could suck dick more than blink 182, but i was wrong. sum 41 is the biggest embarassment to punk rock there ever has been. I haven't really heard much from this album, but what i have heard hasn't really done anything for me but what i do know is that these dueche-bags are performing on Saturday Night Live later this month. So to all you Sum41 groupie poop-dicks...how the fuck do justify this to a bunch of people who think these guys spend most of their time painting their toe nails and taking it up the ass from their publicist. Fuck Sum41 Yeah, people have gotten stupider. They've let themselves be zombified by MTV and have made all their decisions based on the pop icons. well, i just heard 'In too Deep' for the first time, over the loud speaker at 'rip-off record mart1000', and i must say, I emidiately thought of all you kids who defended this band. it's just sad really, being a fan of good music in general, I can truly say that sum 41 has no originality, no talent, and no hope of ever being even a decent band. i thought i was sure before, but now there's no doubt about it. horrible music.- fathead It's all opinion. who ever fucking said they didnt want money... every band wants money. Who doesnt want money. God damnit! I swear people have gotten stupider. you say this band doesnt want money. in the lyrics book they have an order form for merchandise! tell me that isnt being interested in money! sum 41 isnt even all tat talented. and they play only power chords, just like blink. Don't even bother with Sum41 ... If agressive pop-punk is what you want then buy either of the newer ALL albums : MassNerder or Problematic. They are both miles ahead of anything these kids could put out. Sorry I had to go off about the government like that, but I just can't excuse the kind of liberal ignorance Mr. Fakesmile was showing back there. Hey, wait! Your last post wasn't about the music, so why don't you just shut up, Pat? uh OK so most of the time people like to comment on the album being reviewed not the fucking state of the government. What the fuck is this senor potpourri guy taling about. So what the fucking government might not be in the greatest shape its ever been in. There is really no reason to talk about it on a music review. aright, i didnt like this band when they werent popular. Dont like them now. lets see...CORPRATE MANUFACTORED UNORIGINAL CRAP Have sum41 ever said they were punk? No. Oh, yeah, and people like Greenpeace are actually HELPING starving children in third-world countries to die by destroying genetically engineered crops that have no dangeroud side effects to humans but help the crops grow faster or resist parasites. Yeah, the liberals are really caring towards the world... I really hate all you fuckers who have no idea about the government and think what the media says isn't liberally biased. How is President Bush fucking up the earth? It can't be as bad as Clinton, who sold nuclear secrets to China during his presidency. Yeah, they're not gonna use those nukes for anything, no, we couldn't be fucked over now, impossible! Do yourself a favor and read some of Matt Drudge's reports. You'll learn the fucking truth. where's the fuckin content...is this what you people want...lame fuckin melodies with stupid lyrics about girl and tits and girls and sex... and forget about the poor kids in africa who are dying of hunger and forget about president bush, fuckin up the world yeah...listen to this shit...go ahead...kill yourself and the fuckin world Sorry. Before I admit I hadn't listened to any of the good punk bands out there, and now I have. You guys have been pressing your opinions on me for a while now, and now I believe them because I have found that I liked Sum 41's sound when all I heard was the crap on the radio. So now that I have: 1. Thrown out all my crappy pop punk CD's 2. Bought a bunch of good punk CD's and 3. Said that I don't like Sum 41 anymore, everyone thinks I'm a trendy asshole now. I don't care, I just know what music I like. fat head I dont ussually agree with you but this time you are right. Glad you finally had something that to say that wasnt bitching about sum 41. senor poperi, please kill yourself now. i've been good and not posted on this review for a long time, but i have to say something now. everyone scroll down the page and look at all the comments he made in the past, then read his latest one two post under this one. YOU FUCKING SUCK SHITHEAD,GO BACK TO THE MALL AND DRINK SOME ANTIFREEZE DICKNOSE.- fathead Just thought Id point this out to everyone: To the "Nellie" kid, this is not "in your face." I used to have this trash CD too, but it was in no way "in your face." Oh, yeah, and they SUCK live and I didn't even need to go to a concert to know. I heard their song on the Warped Tour 2001 comp, and the guitarists have to slow down after the intro because their drummer sucks and goes really slow. Sum 41's lyrics have no inspiration or meaning, for that manner, and they're trying to act hardcore to get metal fans interested and they're also acting pop punk-like to get punk listeners. To me, that's about as big of a poser band you can be. How can you still say there is Punk music these days that movement died in the early 80's it's just all pop now - like Sum 41 / SR 71 / Blink 182 and every other band that puts a number in their name... man whys everyone comparing them to blink, blink is pop pure preppy pop and they suck THEY SUCK THEY SUCK THEY SUCK and the guy up there that said its just another enema of the state that cd blowed sum 41 KICKS BLINKS @$$ and the guy that works here that rated it sum41 is not pop they are everything BUT pop there punk and only punk get yer sh!t strait jesus u people dont have a clue do you The new NOFX album is pretty soft, but I wouldn't call Ribbed, liberal animation, and s & m airlines, very poppy. ok NOFX is the least pop of the bands that kid named but again i must say pop is short for popular so id have to say that blink 182 and sum 41 are both pop. Pop Punk but still pop. NOFX are actually pretty pop too. They really arent VERY punk like everyone thinks they are. They sure do play fast and hard but a lot of their sound has melodies and stuff that would classify them into the "pop punk" genre. They should have titled this album "All Shit, Radio Hits" oh yeah and if you wanna check out some sweet Canadian PURE punk (no hip hop and metal and "pop") check out gob or Another Joe I said this before and ill say this again: NOFX ARE NOT POP!!!! and neither are blink mxpx and sum41 for that matter but no matter what i say fags will still say that they are...but NOFX ARENT OK?? GOD if i hear fat lip one more time i will kill, destroy and mame. No that bad, not that great. People associate punk rock with this, they shouldn't. This isn't the worst album I've heard, but it does lack originality and substance. I heard this cd once before but it was under a different name it was called Enema of the State. thats all i have to say. i think y'all need to chill. if a band has a decent cd and puts on a good show, does it really matter whether they're punk or pop punk or alternative? and i don't like punk because it's "trendy." there's music i hear and i like, i decide to find out something about it. surprise, surprise...a bunch of it is labeled "punk." wow, i like punk and all this time, i thought punk died in the '80's. and i agree with whoever is saying not to compare sum 41 to other bands. just like i don't think they need a genre, i don't think people should have to search for another band to say they're like. if you like fast, in-your-face music, you just might like sum 41. -nellie now there was an intelligent post. props to you for that, but i just dont like sum 41. i do, however, share interests in some of those other bands /me Look, i'm not even gonna waste time by mentioning some of the retarded posts by some of the "true" punks out there. All i'll say is you sure as hell dont make the punk community look too good. Anyways, i like all kinds of music. Basically, i like any kind of music besides country, blues, and jazz. Some examples of some of my fav bands: Sum 41, Finger Eleven, Our Lady Peace, Silverchair, AC/DC, Nirvana, NOFX, Green Day, Metallica, Blink 182, Anti-Flag, Millencolin, Nelly, STP, Beastie Boys, Pennywise, and Everclear. In my opinion, there is no "best" genre of music, i like it all. Yes, Sum 41 is my favorite band, and YES, i know their lyrics are pretty meaningless. Sum 41 is a band that's in it for a good time, and for the money, I wont deny that. However, their music reminds me of good times, of old parties, of old friends, it generally makes me happy, and i think thats what music is all about. For this reason only, they are my favorite band, not because of the meaning behind their songs, or anything like that. Now, i'm not gonna bash your music because of some retarded stereotype, so please dont bash mine. Peace. Punk has no place in the pages of Seventeen Magazine. 311's a good band. I like their new album a lot. This is really embarrassing for me to say, but Sum 41 got me into punk... by accident. I heard "Fat Lip" on the radio and liked it, so I went to some fan website. They had a link to this review, so I came here and started checking out the reviews of some bands I had heard on the radio. Seeing that everyone found a lot of bands better, I decided to buy a few punk comp's to see if this stuff you guys were saying was true. Oh, it was. I have very quickly lost interest in Sum 41 now and have basically stopped playing their CD's. It is really sad that my past interests in music were so radio-friendly and crappy. Now I've become a total punk. It's all great. Hey, what the hell is up with everybody ragging on Sum 41? OK I said I was done but I thought it was neccessary to say this. Sum 41 should not be known as a rap band. This whole thing with them rapping isnt what they do or what they should be known as. Lets not focus on that. It may kick ass and be really orignal and different but lets not make that the basis of all that makes sum 41 good. they actually did say they were going to do a completely hiphop cd so why dont you shut up because that shows that theyre not sellouts theyre doing what they want. i personally hate all punk rock but i just think u should be mature in criticizing them in other ways than 'they still suck hairy balls.' /me what's your point dildo?so sum41 raps in a couple songs, who gives a shit. they still suck hairy balls.maybe they should just go completely rap and let the hip-hop fans endure them.he he, i'd love to see that. any tru hip-hop fan would laugh at them, just like any true punk fan does laugh at them. sum41 isn't punk, isn't talented, and isn't even decent, end of fucking story. Fuck u all we asked you to tell us what you think not who they sound like u frikin crake heads tell me sumthing...does blink 182 rap?does pennywise rap?do rancid or anti-flag rap? The answers no.so maby this will shut up some of the rejects who just like to rant and rave about bands that theyve heard the name of. GhettoSmurf I think half hour of power was decent, but this shit blows. Do yourselves a favor and buy any Strung Out cd this is what is wrong with punk This Song is freakin dope and all u who dont like it can suck wham Yeah, wait a few more posts... this fucker'll be back. Once he's done fucking his goat. one more time,for the our friend pat who just loves to love sum41, now I'm done posting on this review. - fathead no wait,...now i'm done posting on this review-fathead i'm done posting on this review-fathead You know what, I'm sick and tired of posting on this review... even though its my own. I'm sick of people bashing sum 41 and I hope they realize that just because they think they suck it does not end the fact that they are a talented band. Or would you like us all to sound like rancid, pennywise or anti flag. Just because I say they are good doesnt mean you think they are good but does it really matter that much to you that I posted my opinion on them and had something productive to say rather than this band sucks, blink 182 wannabes. No fuck that I'm done. I dont care anymore. Im not gonna say Im done posting on this review because then I might end up like our cool friend fathead. what a fucking gay shit he is I hope you gets run over by a mac truck. FUCK PUNK IT SUCKS ANYWAYS worst band ever, please dont buy this album,for love of god buy a clash cd or even a pennywise record, just dont support shit like this.it will be the downfall of punkrock. The different sides of your brain control the side of your body opposite of that side of the brain, so since I only have the right half of my brain, it's simple. I just type with my left hand. So FUCK OFF, DICK!!! i dont understand how you can type with only half a brain- fathead Yeah, if everyone did something different, punk music would be completely different in about three or four albums. How can you say you only like punk when you hate the people that play it? You want everyone to add something new to the punk scene? EVERYONE? Then soon it'll be completely different and it won't sound like punk anymore! Stop saying gay to mean stupid or bad whether I like this band or not is irrelevant. However, its really funny to read that people dont like this band because they sound to much like other bands. Most any punk band you find is going to sound the same as 500 other bands. I cant tell most of the Fat and Epitaph bands, hell even Lookout! bands apart. I like punk music, but lets get real, most bands (with some exception) sound the same, and thats what people LOOK for. Ok, I have been hearing about this "supposedly" cool band called sum 41....so i decided to buy the 3.99 album at best buy one day....and im glad I only spent 3.99 on it, This is garbage I dont know what the deal is. Why Cant these bands find their own style...they all sound the same. I really hope this isnt the direction punk rock goes in the future. blah blah blah, bitch bitch bitch. get over yourselves and enjoy the fucking album. its one of the best albums ive heard in a while. and stop comparing them to other bands. they are sum41. not blink 182 dressed up as sum41 or any other fucking shit. so grow up, and enjoy the fucking music. First of all, all the people who are complaining and saying that sum 41 are blink182 wannabes and sellouts are the real posers. Sum41 is actually a good band and were real cool when I met them live. Although the cd isn't the best it has a lot of good songs. The only problem is that it has a lot of songs are also just cd fillers, probably thought up in 10 minutes during the recording. They should have taken more time to write more good songs. Reading these reviews makes me sick. If you have something that's moronic to say keep it to yourself. This album is no master-piece, but it's tolerable, some people seem like they want every band to be the same, but I will listen to a wide variety. After all, don't you get sick of listening to one genre of music all of the time? both of you (poperi and pat) are fucking tools. this band deserves to die a horrible death. I dont care if a band gets huge, do it by being original, or do it by bring back a sound we haven't heard in a while, not this radio pop-punk that every real punker hates. fuck sum182. (and their video is just as gay as sr71's.) You couldn't be more right, pat. Sum 41 was formed before Blink made it big. They were in Canada, they had probably never fucking HEARD of Blink! Just because a band makes it big is no reason to criticize them! If The Clash, Black Sabbath, and the Ramones hadn't made it big, or Green Day, The Offspring, and Rancid, would there even be punk for all of you fuckers to complain about? I know that there are some bands that make really poppy CDs like SR71(their video has them running AWAY from women, how gay is that?) but Sum 41 isn't one of them. At least lay off of the pop punk thing, because they aren't pop punk. wow arent we all very smart? We can all realize that sum 41 and blink 182 have a similar sound on some of their songs. Even though their are countless numbers of "real punk" bands that sound a lot like one another. No one bothers to say anything about them because they are so unbelievably resistant against authority and everything that is the image of punk. When a band does something slightly new but is still following a pattern that another band has followed before they are labeled as being wannabes. People dont realize how ignorant they sound when comment after comment is "blink band wagon" or "blink wannabes". If you dont like the band good for you. If you want to bitch about them good for you but at least have a decent bitch rather than the same old thing that has been said about them time after time. And when did sounding like another band become so hateful and disgusting. Arent we all following the same thing that the ramones, the clash, the velvet underground, black flag and other punk bands from back in the day started. Were rancid, pennywise, gob, green day and other "real punk" bands jumping on the black flag wagon or were they clash wannabes? No because they have always followed the same pattern that has become so familiar to us nowadays. Resist authority, wear lots of black, and always be anti-government. Not that they all possess those qualities but isnt that what makes a "real punk" or is it being yourself and being true to what you want to do. I dont think punk is all mohawks and tight black jeans i think its an attitude that gives you the right to be who you want and to play the kind of music you want. Which is what sum 41 is doing and has done since they formed back in 1997(which by the way is before the big blink 182 thing happened). eventhough what i heard of sum41 wasn't very good, i decided to buy this album anyway cause of their fans saying all kinds of great shit about them on this review, and cause it was 10 bucks.FUCK ALL OF YOU.FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU! it SUCKS! DO NOT BUY THIS ALBUM. they could play for 20 years, combine every second of good music they ever made into one song, and it still wouldn't be as good a 'too close to see' by strung out. they just hopped on the fucking blinkwagon. fucking dicklickers. GODDAMMIT i want my 10 bucks back. what the fuck is this? ? more bullshit wanna-be's that wannabe like blink 182 and fenix tx ? isnt there enough out there already? I agree completely! They might have made it big, but that's no reason to just blow them off as a pop punk band. "Half Hour of Power" is an awesome CD. "All Killer no Filler" isn't as good, but still has some really good songs. "Never Wake Up" is my favorite song. Too bad it's not as long as the others... anyway, they are good, but there are other bands that are better than them, I admit it, but there's no limit on how many bands you can think are good. sum 41 is pretty good, although i liked their last album better. out of all the punk bands that have made their way to tv(green day, blink, sum41, etc), i think sum 41 is currently the best, even though old green day is better. even though sum 41 doesnt have shit up against dead kennedys, rancid, nofx, misfits, they are still great. to the guy who said shut up...no! I will hunt you down and kill you poperi if you steal my banjo idea. by the way, check out jurassic 5, krs-one, blackalicious, kool keith, fu schnickens, and tribe called quest. they may help change your opinion about rap. dont get me wrong, most rap nowdays is just pathetic, but i can get down wit it if its done intelligently.- fathead Also, there's nothing wrong with bluegrass. The only music I really HATE is rap and pop, because pop stars are basically bred in jars by record companies, and neither rappers(with the exception of the Beastie Boys, just cause they sound so damn cool) or poppers can do anything but sing and for the songs where they don't use stupid synthesizers, they just hire people to play instruments. It's very low to be a solo artist if you're not an artist at all. "Oh, these songs are what I really believe, even though I didn't write them!" I like every other genre, though. A distorted banjo would sound awesome! Doing something different is never bad! I'd get that idea patented if there was a fucking patent office near where I live. This not a horrible CD, but nothing original or innovative at all. A trillion bands have covered all this area before. But they just didn't look as cute.... fat head shut the hell up you make no sence at all and a couple postes ago you said you were done commenting on this CD, What does done mean to you? forgot to sign the last post. I meant to ask,and I'm serious, if you all think a distorted banjo would sound cool in a punk band. I think it would kick. Then again, my head's kinda screwed up!UNITY- fathead rush is from canada, and they rock, no matter what anybody says. best drummer in the buisness. Gob's older cd's were pretty good, but what i've heard about the new one isn't too great. i'm done bickering. you like sum41, i don't. who cares. hell, i listen to bluegrass sometimes. Ezactly. Just because Sum 41 is extremely talented(not that many smaller bands aren't better) and have made it big everyone here hates them, but they should be synonymous with bands like Anti-Flag, Rancid, and Limp. And there are many good Canadian bands, punk or not, such as Our Lady Peace. You guys r all crazy sum-41 owns new age punk there concerts are amazing n your all looking beyond punk think of your selves as posers because if u say u like punk n u dont like this, then u dont like punk, another thing i just wanna say that canadian bands are begining to arise like sum-41 and fifth hour hero (which is an awsome band) i hope u dont discriminate them for being canadian. Peace Thank you Pat! OK I could have sworn that a few comments ago mr. "fathead" said that he was done commenting on my review. I guess He is just a stupid liar that has nothing better to do than come hear and bash other people's taste in music while I'm sure more than half the world would disagree with his. Boy is he "punk" People have judged sum 41 because they "rap" in there songs while in fact they have only done it one song per album. Maybe people should pay more attention to the rest of the music rather than judging before you have listened. you must be a member of the band, or be sucking their cocks, cause no one in their right mind would defend shit like this. how can you praise sum41 and bash good charlotte? their the same goddamn thing. PSEUDO-PUNKS!- fathead Also, they are punk because they do that stuff that you mentioned. That's basically because it proves they don't give a fuck about what people think of them, they're just doing what they wanna do, and that's what punk has always been about. There's no set standard for the way punkers have to act. If they wanna wear suits and ties, let 'em wear suits and ties and listen to the music to see whether they're good or not. If they wanna rap in their music, let 'em rap. They just like hip hop, that's all. I personally hate it besides in the cases of them and the Beastie Boys, even though Sum has only done it in two songs. However, if they wanna wear a leopardskin thong and fuck you in the ass, GET THE HELL AWAY FROM THEM. That's all I wanted to say. Yes, I like all those bands that you've mentioned. I'm just saying that you don't have to compare everything else to them. I personally believe The Ramones are the best band ever, but I still like stuff like Blink and Sum 41, although I do agree Take Off Your Pants and Jacket does look disappointing. I spike my hair, I'm punk. I make fun of shop clerks in my mtv video, I'm punk. I like to mix rap with punk, I'm punk. I rhyme words like society and casualty, I'm punk. I make fun of 80's metal, I'm punk. I'm the punkest punk in the world. What is punk? can you define it by a sound? no, not really. you can however define it by the band's action. punk is the mainstream, status quo, and buy-consume-conform slap in the face. to consider sum 41 a punk band is insulting to me and the music i love. i have nothing against them musically (there song is as catchy as hell) but please do not call them punk. oh yes, to senor poperi, give a listen to these bands before you comment on anything else, pleeeeeeeeeaaaaase. sum 41 sounds like played out, wannbe, blink punk with no integrity or originality. Senor Poperi sounds like a 14 year old fuckface with season tickets to the backstreetboys,(go read his comments on the nfg, mxpx,and the nofx(pump) reviews just to see what kind of jerk off were dealing with) and i'm done commenting on reviews like this one. If you want to listen to sum41, i dont give a fuck anymore. there is no hope.- fathead Okay, first of all, Fathead can't spell and he has no arguments that aren't self-contradictory. If the only good bands are local, how are you gonna find more than one or two good bands? "Oh, I'm gonna go move across 22 states because the local punk band just broke up. I have to find some new band in Indiana(no offense to anyone in Indiana, it's a completely random choice)!" Besides, Fathead, you haven't even listened to some of the stuff you're complaining about! Seems a little stereotypical, don't it? "Oh, these guys don't have multiple body piercings or tattoos or purple hair, so I don't think they're punk enough! Duh-hurk!" I'm not saying that you have to like these bands, I'm not saying that you don't have to complain about them, just don't make some real dumb excuse. Just say whether you think they sound good or not. To everyone who says that pop punk bands like Sum 41, Fenix TX, NFG, blink-182, and the others don't belong on this site, and they aren't punk: Then why have all these bands been on the Warped tour, why do the webmasters post the pop punk reviews, and why do they have news, and list them on the New Releases? They obviously must have some punk sound in their eyes. Also, it's totally unfair to say that these bands are totally pop. Because they're not. Pop has totally different sound. Punk, alternative, metal, or any other kind of rock band can have a slight pop sound. In fact, I think they can be better that way. I don't see what's the big deal. Yes, I agree that lots of rock bands have pop sounds, but they definitely are not total pop. That's what N Sync, Britney Spears, the Backstreet Boys, and all those crappy artists are. I'm listening to this album right now. I can't turn it off! It ROCKS! this is just a guess, but does DriveThruChris mean you work for DriveThru Records, cause if it does, you're comment makes alot more sense.this score is for every band on drivethru/mca, except allister and h20 to the guy with the long paragprah written below... I am not obsessed with the "punk scene" as some you seem to be. I simply to listen to music I find appealing - whether it be Nofx, Pennywise, NFG, Fenix TX, Sum 41, Blink 182, No Use for a Name, 311, Zebrahead, Weezer, Offspring, Mest, 3 Doors Down, RATM, Lucky Boys Confusion, Bowling for Soup, Lucky 7, Linkin Park, Nerfherder, etc... you get the point. Anything with fuzz/distortion and a good melody/rythmn is what I find appealing. OK I will say it once again pop music is short for popular meaning popular music. Any music that is remotely popular is considered pop music. blink 182, sum 41, good charlotte, new found glory are all pop. They may be pop punk or emo but they are pop. Doesnt mean they arent good bands because they are very talented, obviously, and are able to play their music whatever it may be. ok, first of all, senor poperi is a fucking imbisil. matchbox 20, third eye blind,goo goo dolls,bee gees, i could name a few thousand more, but these are enough to prove that playing instruments and writing your own songs can still mean you fucking pop. second of all, to the people who dont want to hear me bitch, i say this- if i dont spread the truth that no one should lower their standards far enough to enjoy bands like good charlote, blink, and sum 965, then who will. there are at least 50 good bands out there either in local scenes, small lables, or even the bigger indie lables that sound just like blink and sum 86, but for some reason, instead of seeking them out and supporting true punk music, people settle for the corporate,-what-they-think-a-sterotype-sould-look-like-bitches that they, almost on a timed interval, throw in our faces. to be honest, it makes my stomach turn just thinking about where the punk scene is gonna be in 2 years. so, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I ask you, do you want your scene filled with clueless idiots more than it is? do you want to see a so-called 'punk band' on tour with the likes of nsync or smashmouth? do you want bands like blink 182 to go down as legendary, as the ramones and clash did? or do you want to see things change? do you want the true punk scene we once had? do you want to raise your middle finger and scream "FUCK YOU" to bands like sum 0.967 and a new found trend? the choice is ours, bitch about it and try to change somebody's opinion, or sit back and watch punk die. - fathead You shouldn't go saying things about blowing donkey dick when you have no proof that they do or you DON'T. And their name has nothing to do with math: in an interview, they said that's their name because they started the band 41 days into summer. Anyone who says they're "pop punk" is an idiot. As I said in the review for "Take off your pants and Jacket" by Blink-182, there is no band that is poppy. You have guitars, you have a bass and drums, you have a member of the band writing songs, it's NOT FUCKING POP. fathead, Well, get used to it. The world is full of people just willing to exploit the hell out of anything that makes them money. I personally don't appreciate it when groups do it, but practically the entire record industry is a massive ring of exploitation - exploiting the fact that you like music to make money. They are going to extract money from you for a cd because you like music. Yes, even NOFX is guilty of that. At least they deserve the money...unlike some bands... i don't care who likes them or not, i just hate it when bands exploit my favorite type of music to the masses in order to make some quick cash. for that reason alone,good charlotte, sum 41, blink, nfg, fenix tx, and any other band that just hopped on the bandwagon all fucking blow. my opinion, fuck yourself if ya dont like it- fathead Everywhere I go people think they are something special because they like this band or that band. They claim this band is better than that one. They think they are cool because they listen to some band called "Dick Army" or something like that. Grow up. You are sitting here complaining about Sum 41 and attacking people because they dare say they like them. Any hint that a commenter doesn't dislike Sum 41 and you attack them right off because you think Sum 41 sucks; therefore, everyone else better think they suck or else. Get off your power trip and go do something more constructive. I don't like coming in here and reading these reviews with all this "this band is better than that band" and "this band sucks" crap. Give me something worth reading. Give SUM 41 a chance. I might get yelled at for this but they are a really talented band. Half Hour of Power is by far the greatest pop punk cd or any cd that I have heard in a very long time. All Killer No Filler is OK but does not even compare to Half Hour of Power. They are also the best live band. They go much farther than Blink, they don't sit on stage and tell stupid jokes, they just play. I was kinda disappointed when I heard All Killer No Filler, it sounded like Smashmouth, and thats not very good. But go out and buy Half Hour of Power, 29 minutes and 57 seconds of fuckin great music. So scrap up 6 bucks and go buy it and you won't be disappointed. ok, here's my reason for not likeing Sum41, they're no talent hacks who play some of the trendiest pop music in recent memory. good enough for ya? wow you people are so smart. saying it sux without telling an intelligent reason why. And for the idiots stuck on punk mode... what the fucks wrong with you. Like aint made of punk only. stop being elitist shitheads and get over yourselves. There is other things in life than punk, and people as closed minded as you will miss out on alot of good things in life. So if you dont like the album or the band whatever at least give a good reason.. and not the their not punk shit... People should also stop fooling themselves into beliving that NOFX are like SUPER-PUNK!!!! They are pop-punk, they are a heavy influence on bands like Sum 41, Blink-182, and the like. NOFX are a great band, and they are better than most mainstream pop-punks, but they only reason they aren't smeared all over the radio is because they have an objection to it. So kudos for that, I guess thats pretty "punk rock", but God, stop with the "NOFX wouldn't even shit in the same building as these fuck-sticks!" bullshit! It's funny to me to see what the punk scene has come to. Isn't there supposed to be a sense of unity and not all of this elitest bullshit? "Sum 41 sucks and they aren't as punk as NOFX..." Granted, Sum 41 are far from NOFX but why slag them for it? They do what they do because they love it. Not everyone can live up to whatever standard the "real punks" put up. Screw all of this bickering and just let people play or listen to what they want. Personaly i dont like this CD but its not that bad. Also dont classify them with blink cuz blinks just plain imature crap, also its not really all that popy crap either. I dont like it but if compared to blink they get a 10 anything remotely relating to math sucks donkey dick, especially sum 41. Fuck all this shit about about Sum 41 shouldnt be grouped with nofx! I got fuckin get up kids cds next to nofx cds!Blink is a great band! So is Sum 41! I would love to be on the radio so I could make millions and piss on all of you!!!! I HATE Sum 41! I cant wait til they break up! I LOVE Sum 41! I can't wait to get this CD! Don't bring bands like Ramones, Velvet, Stooges, or even NoFX into a Sum41 review. It's sad. I would tend to disagree with the idea that Blink-182 brought punk to mainstream America. I would say that lots of bands have done it before them, they aren't exactly revolutionary. I may like them, but I dont think they are breaking any ground, just good pop music. Anyway, leave the kid alone, its his opinion, and he is entitled to it. Sum 41 seem like an ok band to me. Calling them a Blink rip-off isn't really all that much of an acurate statement, seeing as most punk follows a formula anyway, so most all punk is rip-off. If I came in here and called Blanks 77 or the L.E.S. Stitches rip-offs of the Clash, that would be stupid. They are simply playing the style the way its played. i remember hearing early demos, i remember friends who saw them live back when, i remember singing every word to every song, and i remember admiring their skill. they write catchy pop/punk no doubt, but they're not that original. maybe they are more so than a lot of bands, but pop/punk is big cause of blink 182, so when blink 182 puts out a bad album, is the mainstream going to sustain interest? i didn't like fatlip, and i hate the rap song on hour of power. i laughed at the metal introduction and cringed at the ska, but i liked most of the songs. i was expecting something more original, and what i heard when i picked up the new album was more rap and metal breakdowns. the songwriting is so much better, the recording quality is better, but overall, the songs don't impress me. sum 41 already impressed me, coming from nowhere and hitting big with a debut album from such young guys. the new album was a dissapointment. i sold it. not because i hate pop/punk but because i couldn't sing along with the songs, i couldn't dig the sound, and even with an open mind, frankly, when in this situation i listen to the descendents. they're pop/punk and they impress me. good luck to sum41. i'm canadian, and when they're in my area, i'll go see them. they're better than a lot of bands live. this is all opinion once again, you are a supreme lame-ass, with no idea of what the word 'punk' really means. please leave this site, and nevre return. go to psuedo-punk news.org and rave about blink and suck 41, please dont crowd this excellent site with crap like this.- fathead it seems i must defend myself again. sum 41 is not nor will they ever be a rip off of blink 182. people think that just because a "new" band comes out and has a sound slightly similar to blink 182 that they are ripping them off. sum 41 has paid their dues in canada from 1997 until today and will continue to get respect from people who appreciate good musicians. no matter how hard you try you can't deny that they are talented at what they do whether you like it or not. and another thing. who ever said blink 182 was bad? thats probably one of the most ridiculous comments ive ever heard. blink 182 brought punk to mainstream america wasnt that a positive thing? now more and more people are tuning into punk and are beginning to realize that limp bizkit is not the end all of rock in the world. sum 41 is doing their job as well and is bringing punk to the masses and doing a hell of a good job at it too. why don't people realize that just because a band has done something a little different but still yet the same it doesnt make them a bad band. i say you everyone gives sum 41 a chance and you will all be eating your words. unless your that guy.| What the fuck is wrong with the guy who wrote this artical. Nofx? Pop punk? And isn't "pop punk" a contradiction? Sum 182, i mean blink 41, no wait sum 41 sux. They are just another generic blink 182 band. ummm...you are a supreme lame-ass with no earthly idea of what the word punk means. please leave this site and never come back. thank you.- fathead oh yea by the way that was my way of calling all you that hate sum 41 because fat lip gets airplay and they have become something that some of you only wish you could be jealous posers. Ok so everybody thinks this band sucks and that my review is totally stupid but have any of you actually heard any of the songs other than fat lip? Ive heard a lot about "mixing punk and rap" but that is only one of the things that sum 41 has done with their music. Maybe more people should give bands a chance instead of labeling them as blink 182 wannabes. People that claim their "punkness" here by ranting and raving about how nobody is as punk as them arent really being true "punks" in my mind. I'm not claiming I am because I'm not and I never want to be. Maybe some of you should take on the punk attitude instead of just the look and actually be open to things instead of clamming yourselves in a room listening to your "real punk" and whatnot. Maybe giving other bands a chance is just what you need to get over yourselves and your image of being true punks. sorry about my earlier post about all punks not being radio friendly, I guess I should have clarified it more, even so these guys are painfully trite and it doesn't make a difference if a band pays their dues if all they do is ride on the coattails of other bands that do what they do, but much better. how could u even put "cum41" in the same sentence as NOFX, u should NEVER say cum 41 and nofx are equally good bands. this band blows! dont let anyone fool you, they really, really suck. I think the worst thing about these guys is it seems that they have no integrity whatsoever. They sing about being 'not being a victim of society' or whatever then go out and act like a bunch of rock stars. No thanks. Alright im gonna make this short and sweet... This band is horrible.. Enough said... I can honestly say that my band is 100000x better and for some unknown reason these assholes are signed and not us... But let them be signed! let them get mocked by the people who know what punk should sound like.. If u like sum 41 or u like the concept that they tryyy and mix punk & rap... Kill yourself.. Have a nice day My Dick is soooo big, movie theaters now serve popcorn in small, medium, large and My Dick Punk was not alive in Europe since the late 60's give me a break. MC5 and Velvet Underground weren't punk, although I guess you could call them proto-punk. Have you ever listened to the music, or are you just using buzz words to look smart? The Stooges were pretty much the model for what punk came to be, but I wouldn't even call them punk necessarily. The truth is, nobody knows who the "first" punk band was. It was certainly not in Europe since the late 60's though. Yeah, there is that band the Plastic People of the Universe or whatever they were called, but they were a pre-punk band. Sure, garage bands, proto-punk bands, mod was happening. But punk? No. Punk was not officially born (for all intensive purposes) until the blow up in Great Britain with Clash, Pistols, what not and in the US with The Ramones, Blondie, Etc. Its hard to really say where punk came from, it originated in a lot of places. Europe in the 60's...lol. OK first off Sum41 sucks shit. Blah blah not punk sellout whatever...punks dead anyway. This is to that fucking flamer who said punk isn't supposed to be radio friendly. Answer me this ya moron, Who was the first punk band? The ramones and the ramones were on the radio fucking constantly in the 70's. So don't give me any of this radio friendly shit. God what a loser to whine about pop punk. Just leave em alone i'd play pop shit and be a millionare in 2 mother fucking seconds. hey mavrick, sum41 paid there dues too. they are not my fav band but i remember seeing them like 3 years ago at a local ski resort in ontario playing a snowboard compatition in the freezing cold. Just because u just heard of them doesn't mean they haven't played the shitty venues too. im take a hammer and nails to my eardrums if my "punk" friends try to play this with me around. first i think "oh theyre trying to get fans by being like blink-182" and now i say "not only that but they have to add in limp bizkit rap-metal." kill me, but not if you kill this band first. please Actually, the reason this band is popular is because Island Records wanted them to. There's a little thing called "paying dues." I respect Blink-182, H2O, Green Day, The Offspring, and a number of other "major label punks" because they all spent their formative years recording on rinky-dink budgets with indie labels, touring their asses off, and barely scraping by. Sum 41 was snagged in the post-Blink frenzy along with bands like FenixTx and A New Found Glory. They were made stars by Island Records, who got them played on the radio, MTV, etc. They did not pay any dues of any sort. Fuck them and the horse they rode in on. i posted that comment on 2001-05-09 12:31:02 and i think i am being misunderstood. maybe not. i can't tell really. but all i did was give my opinion of the cd. i've listened to them both, and my band even covered makes no difference for one show we played. i just think the new cd isn't as great as the hype. they are talented, they play their stuff well, they're just not in my opinion 5 stars. i never even brought up sellout. i don't even really believe in the whole idea of selling out, but whoever posted the comment {so actually listen to music before saying that they are sellout, trendy, posers, because in reality all that does is make you the sellout} what the hell. that doesn't even make sense. selling out is supposed to be about chaning your lyrical beliefs and drastically reshaping your sound, not something you are for being an ass about bands you hate. i just don't think this album lived up to it's hype. good band, and good luck. PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE THIS RECORD. MAYBE YOU DO. COOL. LEAVE IT AT THAT. honestly if you listen to like "half hour of power" and then like "punk in drublic", sum 41 nearly copies everything nofx did (except for the rap)it sounded like they were trying to make a new "punk-rap" genre kinda like what limp bizkit did with rap and metal but yeah even the vocals sound like a cheap imitation of fat mike, and yeah just go buy pump up the valuum and get over it I hear you anonymous, sum 41 is a good band, and they aren't the source of their popularity. THey aren't sellouts, its the fucking people who come in here and dig into them for being popular that have really jumped on the band wagon. They are the followers, if you were a true fan of music, thats all that you would pay attention to, not how many people like them. So if you come in here and rip on bands for popularity, FUCK YOU, be original I hate how all of you supposed "non-posers" or "non-sellouts" come in here and dis a good punk band. They aren't my favorite band but they are still good and so is this cd. The only reason they got popular is because of litte dorks who go and request them at radio stations. So dont blame popularity on the band, they just play the shows and write the music, they beg mtv to be on their playlist. So dont go and rag on a band that has nothing to do with their popularity. Also be a little more open-minded, don't just write-off sum 41, or blink 182 for that matter, just because they are popular, punk is all about the music, fuck the popularity bullshit. Like bands for their music, not for their beliefs on popularity. And just a little thing for all of you "non-sellouts" NOFX could have been a sum 41 a few years back, they were asked to play mtv, they declined but that didn't change their music, so actually listen to music before saying that they are sellout, trendy, posers, because in reality all that does is make you the sellout. I Think this album is a GREAT punk cd. I dont think its going to help them out playing Fat Lip on the radio because people will just get sick of them faster because the radio plays songs over and over to much but if you like good punk then get this album. not as good as there first one I like some pop punk, but a comparison to nofx, i don't see it. and at least mxpx can write decent melody lines. this cd was a real let down. i thought a few songs on half hour of power were decent, and as a canadian i try and support as much home grown punk/indie as possible. however, this albu goes no where. i hate rap, i don't like metal, and the songs that have a punk style beat don't go anywhere. musically it's much more impressive than the first album, but on a enjoyment level, it scores low. i didn't buy the first album even though it's on sale in bc for $9.00 canadian, i sure as hell am not going to bu this record. if you want to support the canadian scene, there are plenty of great bands on independent labels playing decent music. please people, let's play something original. pop-punk is getting really old. PS::::MY DOG LIKES IT UP THE DOOKIE CHUTE i like to have gay butt sex while listening to blink 182 dammit!! and I WOULDN'T CUM, OR PISS ON A SUM-41 CD TO PUT OUT A FIRE!!! i really really hate this fucking album i wish that it was destroyed sum 41 deserve to be killed posers I sorta like that song on the radio, I dont think Sum 41 are as bad as say...Eve 6! *sigh* it's sad how originally punk was supposed to be abrasive so it wouldn't be "radio friendly". Even though I'm not against punk being melodic or accessible to a degree, shit like this is just disgraceful. I got too excited about mentioning how much these guys suck and I forgot to give the album a bad rating. Allow me to remedy this Sum 41 is the worst band that I have seen or heard in years. I hope that they will just go away... |
