This is when Thrice came into themselves, and showed a musical attention to detail unlike their previous attempts. Truly a wonderful album.

This cd was great because it was pretty f ing metal without being dirt-metal. Paper Tigers is the best!

fucking greatest thrice album ever.

Great album, fucked up review...Where do you get these guys Punknews. Hire me, I make more sense.

I wish we had some place to where we could listen to songs without paying.

dude what a loser how could someone interview the tile of a CD i don't get it, people like that ruin good music damn that is why there are so many emo kids out there!!!!, what has this world gone to, bring back the punk and beer.

don't let it burn http://www.trinitytc.com/888/casino-directory-2005.html

this album is amazing i love everysong to the core very very impressive

I have to really give it up for thrice this time. They completely blow me away. The songs i hail to : paper tigers, hoods on peregrine, blood clots and black holes, melting point of wax, and the abolition of a man. Each song has its soft side where just as it gets too soft it totally flips and goes balls to the wall, good old thrice. I cant wait for the new album and keep rockin thrice!!!! P.S.- hoods on peregrine is AMAZING!!

Not much to say, good job Thrice.

"I though this would be good after falling head over heals in passionate steamy dirty love with Brand New. "

haha, holy crap, if you're saying that Thrice is bland and you're in love with Brand New, you've got another thing coming mister.

This is the single greatest album I have ever listened to. by far my favorite album of all time.

great cd, "hoods on peregrine", cold cash and colder hearts, and melting point of wax amazing.

riley the drummer is one of the best ive heard in a while

way better than illusion is safety

I listened to this album
I regret wasting my time

I though this would be good after falling head over heals in passionate steamy dirty love with Brand New.
Not a patch on them though.
Infact, bland, dull, forgettable and crap.

I hate nu metal,emo or whatever this crap I hear on radio nowadays here in the US but this is some good music. Plain and simple... I'm an old school metalhead with 5 k albums in my collection and I give this thumbs up for good songwriting and killer production.Keep the cliche like screaming to minimum and do some well thought out guitar solos and you have a big fan guys.

TBS and Thursday are bands for loosers and terrorists. You don't want to be a looser, do you? Or a terrorist? 'Cause only a terrorist who hates kittens or something would listen to TBS.

First off, people need to stop complaining about how much better Illusion was. It was a good album, but had some whiny ass, retarded tracks, Like In Years to come. In my opinion, this is Thrice's best album yet. easily the best album of 2003. Thrice is the only emo band i can listen to, because they keep whining to a minimal, and when they do whine, its about stuff that actually matters, not "i got dumped" shit. That is, however, just my humble opinion

First off, good, interesting, amusing review.

This album rocks ass. Its got a sound all of its own, it takes the complexity of metal and mixes it with softer, poppunk/hardcore vocals. I hate using labels, everyone seems to be doing that these days. Labelling everything means nothing seems original anymore, since its put in a box with all this other stuff as soon as its released. This album is amazing, some of it sounds really epic. The chorus on Paper Tigers is great. I love the bass. I love the mix. This stuff is brilliant, definetely recommended. WARNING: Not for idiots or narrow-minded jackoffs who can't stand anything that sounds a bit different and believes that it "ruins the industry." As far as I'm concerned those guys can stick to their Epoxies records.

Maybe I'm not hearing what some of you seem to be hearing, but I love this CD. I love it for different reasons that Illusion of Safety, but then again I loved that album for different reasons than Identity Crisis. Shit, I even liked the harmonies, and although some of the riffs are simple at times, does it really take that much away from the music? I don't think so. This CD rocks.

what would u consider thrice? emo?

Whoever made the comment about Thursday having more instrumental talent than Thrice is a dumb-fuck. You can already obviously tell by listening who's more technical, even if you don't play an instrument. Thursday has more of a hardcore sound, and Thrice has more of a metal sound. I doubt any real punkers would like Thrice, unless they had a taste for metal. The only signs of punk seen on this is on the title track, which sounds kinda pop-punky. If you're a punky person, these riffs are definitely not for you. They are more for a metal person, and this isn't the record Metallica should have made, even though it is better than that pile of crap. It isn't trying to be the new Metallica record either. This album is for people that like good music, and aren't subjected to one type of music, and aren't looking for this to be the next IOS, IOS sounds a lot more hardcore, if you've noticed in the vocals. This definitely isn't nu-metal for whatever fag said that. The song structures aren't even similar to it, and its not random whiny angsty lyrics like Linkin Park. This band isn't necessarily horrible, as whichever of you make those comments, lets see you try something better. This album is fairly good, and it all depends on what you like, as I said this album is not for you die-hard punkers. It isn't fake metal-hardcore, and it isn't trying to be. If you want a super-punk album get something by FEAR, and if you really want a metal album, get something by Shadows Fall, or a little more underground, Mors Principium Est.

never write a review like that again please, that was boring shit. thanks

good stuff, i'd say its my favorite cd of the year....there just isn't a bad track on here. i don't really see much similarity between them and Thurs(besides the obvious...same label, starts with a "t", is semi-mainstream).

and contrary to popular belief, The Offspring weren't serious when they said "it's cool to hate"...

boring shit

What an ass album
Safety is the only good album these guys have put out ... and even that wasn't a very strong album

Yea it's not the exact same Thrice we are used to, but if they stayed the same it would get boring. They took the logical next step in their careers. People who say the 2nd half is boring.. wtf? It is awesome.. so is the 1st half. Just becuase it isn't as hard as IC doesn't mean it isn't good. IMO it IS harder than IOS, althought IOS was more ground breaking and origional. In anycase, it is a great album.

The Beautiful Mistake are a sort of guilty pleasure of mine. hehe. im still trying to come to terms with it.

"I'll go even further than that. Those bands don't compare one eighth to thrice. You can't even compare thursday or TBS to thrice because
1. They are 100 times softer
2. They are 100 times slower."

In the above quote you say they don't compare one eighth to thrice because of two reasons, one being that thrice is harder. So my comment was warranted. Thrice IS NOT THAT GOOD. But they are better than most of the screamo out there(beuatiful mistake)

By saying this comment im NOT stating that thrice is better than those bands, though in my opinion they are. Im stating the fact that they shouldn't be compared to each other, because they are not the same style.

"NOFXPunkLTJ22 plays a Tom Delonge Strat, therefore you have nothing to say about guitars, riffs, talent and/or music. Sorry you just don't."

You see, it doesn't matter what guitar you play, its how you play it. Judging how good a guitar player is by what they play is obviously stupid, its like judging a cd by the artwork. If Steve Vai or Van Halen played a squire for a night I guess they couldn't say anything about guitars or riffs right?

excellant album, fantastic idea for a review, but in my humble opinion surely you should have given the album a little more personality (hence the word "personify" to describe what you've done there) but it was a good idea and very informative, thanks.

once again, this is a great album, yet so very far away from identity crisis...

Loved it. I was into thrices previously to TAITA, but they have completely outdone themselves. My favorite of the year.

very good album. pick it up.

If I stick my fingers in my ass & then smell them, they smell like poo poo.

seriously, this review is fucking awesome, i know a shitload about this cd now.

way more than the other reviews.

I always love grammer and vocab. lessons on an internet messageboard.

"I'm gonna ignore what ever point someone is trying to make and try to show people how i am an english major by pointing out the simplist mistakes of grammer" -the slutsucker below me

this is a little ways down but jesus christ. Allowed and aloud are two completly different words. the person who failed to realize that is a fucking fucktard. fuck.

4131

Thank you.

I don't care about this band but I'd just like to say that this IS a good and original review. Don't let the bashers fool you, they don't write reviews anyway...

i've never understood the "if you don't like the band why do you comment?!" posts. you comment because it's an internet message board and you feel like commenting. what's wrong with wanting to speak your mind? it wouldn't be interesting if everybody had the same opinions or anyone with differing thoughts kept their mouth shut. where's the fun in that?

"I want to make one of those rotating mobiles that hang above babies' cribs, only it would have Sean Ingram singing lullabies a capella. You know, as punishment for unruly babies."

I do, I will have my team of inventors jump right on that. DO you have a list of songs worked out or shall we brainstorm at our fist board meeting? If i have to i will suck sean ingram's cock to get him onboard foe or venture, get in touch.

"i fail to understand why people who dont like the band would come to a review on the album. if you need attention go elsewhere dont post useless slander about a band you dont like, you wont change anyones mind, there will not be some sort of 'see-the-light' effect from your verbal diarrea"

Why would someone who likes the band and has already bought the cd come to this review? Ooooo, I know, to discuss opinions on said band, thus the comment feature you have utilizid already. And its not slander if its true, Thrice is mediocre.

i fail to understand why people who dont like the band would come to a review on the album. if you need attention go elsewhere dont post useless slander about a band you dont like, you wont change anyones mind, there will not be some sort of 'see-the-light' effect from your verbal diarreha.

totally gay review

"I'll go even further than that. Those bands don't compare one eighth to thrice. You can't even compare thursday or TBS to thrice because
1. They are 100 times softer
2. They are 100 times slower."

In the above quote you say they don't compare one eighth to thrice because of two reasons, one being that thrice is harder. So my comment was warranted. Thrice IS NOT THAT GOOD. But they are better than most of the screamo out there(beuatiful mistake)

Thats alot of moolas. More power to Thrice. And I dont consider Dream Theater metal. They are straight up prog.

5% of retail? ok so given that they sold close to 50,000 copies in the first week, at $10 a copy (best buy had em for about 8, others for 12 or up) that means that Thrice raised about $25,000 for the charity. From what their website says, the charity had raised a little under 50 grand since it's onset. So in a couple weeks Thrice is likely to double the money that this charity has earned.

the site for the charity is: www.syrentha.org

oh and....sellouts. oi oi.

This review was really gay.

NOFXPunkLTJ22 plays a Tom Delonge Strat, therefore you have nothing to say about guitars, riffs, talent and/or music. Sorry you just don't.

Thrice riffs suck.

And I don't remember who, but who was complaining about the riffs being too good? Shut up thats redicules. And I guess it would make me less punk to say I do actually own a Steve Vai CD, because I'm a guitarist and I love listening to great guitarists play. So I guess its only cool to listen to bands that have no talent, don't change the time signature, and can't play good riffs, because than its simple and easy to listen to, and doesn't even require you to think.

I didnt realize poison the well was in that list. I thought it was the whole, TBS/Thursday/Brand New thing. I don't listen to poison the well so I wouldn't know, though I can't stand their song on the warped tour comp.

dignin Did I ever say they must be better because they're harder? No, besides the fact that they are 1 million times better and 1 million times more talented, they still are better.

I was picking apart differences between the two bands. And lets see, That is an obvious difference.

one hundred tenth!

Some of you need to learn how to spell holy shit. And for the people saying thrice is "fake metal" and shit, they arent trying to be metal, or anything really. Thrice is writing music that they enjoy playing, and you can tell from reading liner notes etc. Find a real reason that they "suck" other than you don't like their style of music.

5% of the retail price. so basically, every time someone buys a cd, a portion of the money they hand to the tool behind the register goes directly to the charity.

thrices charity for the artist in the ambulance is some cancer charity. it gives treatment to those who dont have health insurance. anyone have a link??

yea comment below makes a good point...and buying this album is good for us fuckers who are too cheap/lazy to donate more money to charity than the few coins we drop in the can at the quikstop. although, the portion of the proceeds from each album sale could be equivalent...anyone have the actual numbers?

people can bitch about this band selling out but the fact is that the more records they sell, the more money they donate to charity, so more power to 'em if they get big.

I bought this today and its tops. Sub City will more than likely be a subsiduary of Island. But of course Thrice are sell outs coz they wanna support their families and feed their kids. those dirty, dirty SOB's. Not any other reasons like by being on a bigger label means they can spread their music to people like me in small countries that generally would have to pay $25 US for them. so in a couple of words FUCK UP

"So....now most of you hate this because it is too metal. but it is not heavy enough."

I don't see these two points as necessarily relating. The riffs on this CD are metal like Dream Theater or Megadeth, not metal like Coalesce or DEP. So therefore, the riffs can be very metal, but not all that heavy. (Hahaha, that just reminded me of when people referred to Poison as "heavy metal"). And speaking of Coalesce, anybody wanna go in on a business venture with me? I want to make one of those rotating mobiles that hang above babies' cribs, only it would have Sean Ingram singing lullabies a capella. You know, as punishment for unruly babies.

malmsteen is masturbation, straight up.

yeah i can understand that. SOme of the other "qualms" are a little lame though.

And i really hope your joking about that die trying thing......

I cant believe thrice is labelmates with those jackasses though...ick.

points for the review, still want to hear ther album

"Its pretty obvious that everyone is just looking for a flaw to pick in this album when there really arent any obvious ones. The things I dontlike about this album are a few cliche musical moments. Some bad pacing, and way to many vocal harmonys"

I think a to polished sound makes it slightly boring, i want music to have a little grit to it.

Does anyone else think Dustin screaming/repeating "die trying" in one of the songs was intentionally name-dropping a labelmate..of course, it would be purpoted by the label but call me paranoid it seems weird if you ask me..

Maybe they're trying to trick us into thinking they're not on a major...oh wait, I was thinking of Rancid.

hahahaha...i lost the subcity sampler that came with it...hey! that reminds me!

Why is there a subcity logo on the case? and why does it have a subcity catalogue in it? This is on island! Is Thrice....*gasp* supporting their roots? This is blasphemy! Sell outs arent aloud to do that.

I think I already lost one of the cards.

So....now most of you hate this because it is too metal. but it is not heavy enough. but the second half sucks. but the second half as some of your favorite songs. But you hate his voice and his lyrics. but wait, no you love it! Its pretty obvious that everyone is just looking for a flaw to pick in this album when there really arent any obvious ones. The things I dontlike about this album are a few cliche musical moments. Some bad pacing, and way to many vocal harmonys. I do like how they toned the screaming down a bit thoguh. But to each there own i guess...

"All I know is that I really like this.
"

idk if you thought i meant you, but just to be sure (again) i was talking about a different adam. you didn't make any stupid comments, canadadam.

Hard to listen to?

Oh yeah, Malmsteen is a great guitar player, he's a prick though. His "guitar hero" schtick is really obnoxious.

"Name one band that sounds like them with their time signature changes and guitar riffs that most bands couldn't do."

I don't think it's a matter of other bands not being able to play these guitar riffs. I think any self-repsecting band wouldn't WANT to play some of the atrocious riffs that are on this CD. My girlfriend bought it, and I let her have all weekend about being a metalhead. I commented before, when I had only listened to the 1st half, but after checking out the whole thing, I have one question to all you Thrice fans: Where are you hiding your Yngwie Malmsteen, Steve Vai, and Whitesnake CDs? I'm sure Teppei is a great guitarist and it's hard to play his riffs, but they're also hard to listen to. I will give them props on Dustin's voice though. I still wouldn't let them burgle my turds though.

i havent heard this.
but it SUCKS. you know how i know?
billy dee williams told me. and he is as good as jesus in my book.

All I know is that I really like this.

I do not care much for this album. I still like Thrice though; their last album was great, and they donate profits from all their albums to charity.

eh well he never mentioned ptw in the comparison. but just to be sure the comment stays

Please excuse Adam for his insecurities. (haha, jp, much love adam) But harder and faster does not flip the automatic switch on being a better band. Have you even listened to any Poison the Well songs before you determined they were softer than Thrice? I honestly don't like PtW at all, but I'm not about to say that they're softer...in any way.

Do you really think that Poison the Well is softer and slower than Thrice?

"1. They are 100 times softer
2. They are 100 times slower.
and I will say that thrice is original. Name one band that sounds like them with their time signature changes and guitar riffs that most bands couldn't do."

if thrice is harder then thursday then they MUST be better

"this record is brilliant. i dare any poison the well, thursday, taking back sunday or any of those other hardcore/emo/etc bands to write a record this good. i can break it down for you - none of them can play like thrice. even more so, none of them can sing like thrice."

I'll go even further than that. Those bands don't compare one eighth to thrice. You can't even compare thursday or TBS to thrice because
1. They are 100 times softer
2. They are 100 times slower.
and I will say that thrice is original. Name one band that sounds like them with their time signature changes and guitar riffs that most bands couldn't do.

"Typical band going to a major label and changing the sound that their fans love to try to appeal to the mainstream audience. There are some good songs on this cd like songs 3,9, and 11 but it can't compare to Illusion which is one of the best cd's ever."

hahaha your a moron. You say they changed their sound. But the ONE song that is the most radio friendly is SONG 3. ALL THATS LEFT YOU MORON. And thats one of the songs you mentioned. Did you just make up random numbers there? Oh and I didn't read this review till now, so I'm commenting on all these stupid posts.

Oh. My. God. I love this album. Especially that track "she's nubs". That is some funny shit yo.

Oh yeah and more to that comment. The end of the CD is the hardest part, so I find it funny how you dont like the second half of the cd, but you want it harder. You contradicting yourself. Comprendo? You can no longer comment because you are so dumb.

"the first half of this album is above-average at best. second half of this album is borderline awful. chalk this up as another medicore punk release for 2003. another thing, why is it that every new release this year each band has gotten softer. when the hell are bands go the be more aggressive. can anyone of you come up with a release this year where a punk band put out a record that was harder than their previous album. think hard, it will be a challenge. looks like the only hope for a great punk album this year is the new Strike Anywhere.
"

I like the extremely soft suicide machines CD, a match and some gasoline. I can't believe how soft they got. (if you cannot tell im being sarcastic.)

"How is that for a one-liner, whore?"

Pretty weak if you ask me.

"no sir i dont like it."

i must agree... BSD is quite dumb

This album is seriously my favorite album..ever

My favorite album of the year. Check these guys out. They've got talent. They were born to play.

Uh oh. The Thrice Army is after me. I'd better disguise myself as a teenager who wishes he were cool and thinks he listens to great music, and is an idiot, so I can fit in and not get caught.

-BSD.

How's that for a one-liner, whore?

some of my favorite songs on this are tracks 7, 8, 10, and 12

so what's that about the second half sucking? cause it doesn't really make sense to me.

Thank you thriceequalsgod, you have successfully managed to prove my point that most people on this site are a bunch of dicks. I was just seeing how fast someone would respond with a "rude" comment. Have a good day sir.

I found this in the review of the reggie concert, its about that BSD kid.
"Actually BSD, if you were reading any of the comments you would see that ASL arent pricks, i know that for a fact. I have seen them live many times and they are always incredibly nice. They are a band that love their fans and praise them like no other. I think you are the one being the prick, all you do is just go on reviews and bash the bands with dumb one line sayings, you say dumb shit and then dont even back it up, i suggest to grow up and get a fucking life"
I think this is so true, all BSD ever says is "one line sayings", why dont you go shoot yourself before the thrice army does

"Did you hear that
Thrice is touring with Simple Plan?"

its called the warped tour douchebag.

i fail to see why anyone would ever like thrice or any band like them.

their lyrics are atrocious and their music is about as appealing as... something very unappealing.

Did you hear that
Thrice is touring with Simple Plan?

I dont see why you all hate the second half so much...it has some of my favorite songs.

this album is decent, not nearly as good as 'the illusion...'. its just lacking something, like they thought about the songs waaaaaaaaay to much and they ended up losing alot of energy or urgency. its a slower album too. their is less individuality to the songs also, the second half of it just kinda all runs togehter except for the title track. its good, same production, same core sound, the only real change is its slower and lighter, but not really radio friendly like everyone feared. the lyrics seem not as good either. i do like how they simplified some of their song structures. i would get lost in some of their old songs, or there would be a great hook that never came back (deadbolt).

in conclusion, solid, but i'd put illusion of safety well ahead of it. i'd put their last album in my top 5 of last year, this one wouldnt even make my top ten, this year so far or last year.

Wow what clever grammatical errors...

wow what a innovative review.....

If you want the record Metallica should have made, listen to Shadows Fall.

To the person below :

Off the top of my head, Rise Against's album was harder than their debut...

Super Troopers.

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(Yes, Choke does rip)

not a fan of this album really. its not as bad as i expected it to be but not as good as their older stuff. it seems watered down like that new poison the well.

""this is the record Metallica should've made". I agree."

that is so very dumb.

like dum, no b.

wyzo

thrice isn't a "punk" band dude. they're not a "hardcore" band. they're not a "screamo" band. they're an amazing band that made an awesome record.

the first half of this album is above-average at best. second half of this album is borderline awful. chalk this up as another medicore punk release for 2003. another thing, why is it that every new release this year each band has gotten softer. when the hell are bands go the be more aggressive. can anyone of you come up with a release this year where a punk band put out a record that was harder than their previous album. think hard, it will be a challenge. looks like the only hope for a great punk album this year is the new Strike Anywhere.

Choke bring the rock.

"people say i sweat a lot" "i have dried deoderant cakes under my arms" "i drink maple syrup straight from the bottle"

Very interesting review ... props to the reviewer for creativity! I very much like this album and I been on board since Identity Crisis. First listen, I was weary cuz it sounded to polished. After a half dozen listens, though, I really got into this album! I agree with the guy before me ... I will probably lose the cards as well, though I like the band member "takes" on the songs ... good job Thrice!

Asheron Hades

I don't know where that came from but Choke fucking rules, this score is for Choke.

Choke is the most talented band on this planet.

Thank you and good night.

"But it's nice to know that if Thrice started an army to kill all of the people who dissed them, you'd be one of the first to join. "

And you'd be the first to die.

To GreenVandal:

Consider that disclaimer added. I think it's the perfect addition.

In other news, I just bought this CD today, and laughed at the kid after me who grabbed the normal jewel case instead of the digipak. Doesn't he know digipaks are so much cooler?!?@#?#$#%?^$G)fdigE8U4508UY4504HF#$*&%$%)

Sorry, I need to sleep.

-Scott

not to elevate taking back sunday above their mediocrity, but anybody sounds better when you get to use professional recording equipment.

"This band has made a shitty fake metal/hardcore album, not once, not twice...but
Thrice!"

Haahahha. Great stuff.

-BSD

Thursday blows hard.

So does Thrice.

i think taking back sunday's worst aspect is their singer. song composition is their strong point, production also helps them a lot, and that's not an insult, go listen to the demo version of romances of the 20th century... they sound a lot better with money.

This band has made a shitty fake metal/hardcore album, not once, not twice...but
Thrice!

I know Im going to lose them all.

The packaging is kind of annoying but cool. I know I will end up losing one of those cards.

Doesn't deserve more than 5.

This review is one of the better "concept" reviews I've seen in a long time. There have been way too many of these things on the site lately, but atleast this one was good.

I think Shai Hulud and Avenging Disco Godfathers of Soul have the albums of the year so far, but there are a lot of things still to come (ie Strike Anywhere, Sick of it All, Paint it Black etc.)

Oh yeah, I like Pennywise.

this is NOT the best record of the year, it may be your personal favorite though. There has been plenty of better albums released this year already, not to mention its only july and modest mouse and thursday is yet to come out. Thrice is mediocre at best.

"this record is brilliant. i dare any poison the well, thursday, taking back sunday or any of those other hardcore/emo/etc bands to write a record this good. i can break it down for you - none of them can play like thrice. even more so, none of them can sing like thrice."

ok poison the well just wrote a record that was way more complex; had way better singing; was heavier and softer; and unlike thrice they pogressed a lot on their new cd and didnt decied to just copy their last album. "tear from the red" is also way better than any thrice album. i do have to admit that ptw has some of the worst lyrics you can find and thrice has some decent ones.

thursday is also a million times better than thrice. if you play an insterment or are over the age of 13 then shame on you for saying thrice is more talented then thursday. i would think you would know better by now.

as for taking back sunday, they have a good singer but they have such shitty lyrics and simple music that there is no way i could possibly defend them.

"i didn't know you can talk to CDs. Got a give it a try with my Dillinger Escape Plan CD."

Dude, you better be careful with that one. You might want to have a few friends around for backup when (not if) he gets hostile.

Great review. I think that's only soildified by the fact that nobody who has bashed it has give any decent reason. "Just tell me if it's good or bad", they say. Well, being that that is somebody's fucking opinion, just because one person thinks it's the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean you won't hate it. Go write your own fucking reviews, you assholes bitch more than suburban housewives when their paxil perscriptions run out.

As for the album... I think it's decent, but that's after hearing only half the album once. I definitely don't want to like it because of how I felt after downloading some tracks off the first 2 albums and being apalled at the metalness of some of the riffs. And then I heard the guy's name was "teppei", all I could imagine was some guy with big hairsprayed hair, red leather pants, and one of those Def Lep-style angular "axes" whipping out these god awful metal riffs. They seemed to have toned that down now though, which is a huge plus. I'd still take Thrusday over this any day though. I can't fucking wait for the new album, "War All The Time".

Rock hard, rock salt.

-Icapped2pac

"Any 'punkers' that don't appreciate this record listen to too much Pennywise."

Or maybe, get this, they think melodramatic fake hardcore sucks. They used to be borderline okay, but now they really suck ass. Maybe I dont listen to Pennywise, I just think the formula "pop-punk metal= greatness" sucks. But it's nice to know that if Thrice started an army to kill all of the people who dissed them, you'd be one of the first to join.

-BSD

Did anyone hear the BLINKs new cd is going to be called "The Artist in the Underpants"?

probably the worst review of anything i've ever read...

the 10 is for the album....if i was rating the review i'd need negative numbers...

"this is new metal": tee hee.

how about: this is punk for butt-rock instead?

ann d

if i was in 3rd grade i'd think this review was really awesome. but now....not so much.

Paper Tigers.

Enough said.

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(RAWR!)

ok kids, heres the disclaimer i should have typed at the bottom of the review...

"If right now, at this moment, you still do not understand the points that this review made, or the opinions expressed, then do not buy this album. It is quite obvious you dont understand things like, "attempting something different" "having a attention span" "understanding conversation" or "reading and decoding the english language". There are many more suitable albums out there for your taste, seeing as the lyrics to these songs alone would probably make you forget what your name is. they occasionaly use words as well. And sometimes these words form sentences and/or whole stories. For the rest, thank you for reading this."

Yeah. Sleep time is now. Illusion of Safety is still the best.

Jesus Christ, just do a normal review, you asshat.

"I do give them 'big balls' points for saying they "experiment with standard song structures". Which in the conversation with my friend brought up a question i then proceeded to answer.

1. do you ever really EXPERIMENT with standard song structures? Isn't that an oxymoron?

2. When your on a major label, you experiment with it alot.

They get huge fucking balls points for saying that on one of there liner note cards, which ill admit, is pretty nice packaging. I especcially love the comments on the lyric cards that go "so and so really kicks on on this one", "so and so's guitar riff was killer, and i love it wicked cool". You guys are all in the same band, you dont have to thank each other on the liner note to every song. We get it, you guys want to jack each other off, and think each of you are 'killer'.

So, after listening on a non-computer apparatus, Ill give it a 4 from a 2, which means ill be okay about liking it if someone else plays it while im riding shotgun, but god help the man who touches my stereo.

wyzo"

Thats not at all how those comments come across - way to misconstrue them. And as far as your incredibly genius philosophising about song structures: I made standard scrambled eggs this morning, only I added some bacon and green peppers. Its still the recipe for scrambled eggs, only now theres some personalized flavor. Thanks for making me spell that out for you. Thrice did mess with structure and timing a lot on this record. Go. Listen again.

This record is incredible.

Wyzo, you pick up a guitar and a pen and write a better record. Please. You can even have your German namesakes help you. I guarantee you don't have the musicianship or creativity to conceive a record like this.

Any 'punkers' that don't appreciate this record listen to too much Pennywise.

I saw someone else say it like this: "this is the record Metallica should've made". I agree.

I do give them 'big balls' points for saying they "experiment with standard song structures". Which in the conversation with my friend brought up a question i then proceeded to answer.

1. do you ever really EXPERIMENT with standard song structures? Isn't that an oxymoron?

2. When your on a major label, you experiment with it alot.

They get huge fucking balls points for saying that on one of there liner note cards, which ill admit, is pretty nice packaging. I especcially love the comments on the lyric cards that go "so and so really kicks on on this one", "so and so's guitar riff was killer, and i love it wicked cool". You guys are all in the same band, you dont have to thank each other on the liner note to every song. We get it, you guys want to jack each other off, and think each of you are 'killer'.

So, after listening on a non-computer apparatus, Ill give it a 4 from a 2, which means ill be okay about liking it if someone else plays it while im riding shotgun, but god help the man who touches my stereo.

wyzo

From what I've heard it's a decent album. Nothing that groundbreaking but it's not like it's the usual crap.

i thought this was a pretty decent album. the guitar riffs aren't as crazy and the songs are more straight forward, but damn people using more conventional structure doesn't necessarily mean bad. it's not like they pulled an AFI.

Absolutely wonderful review. I have to agree with whoever stated this point: "The only people bitching about it are the ones who don't have the attention span to get through it or who don't have the slightest bit of creativity to enjoy it." Kudos to creativity. It sure beats all the half-assed reviews on this site.

I haven't bought this yet (or ever), thanks to that last album being a giant, stinking, turd. It makes me rather apprehensive, which is a shame cause Identity Crisis was near brilliance. I shall download it tonight and listen and hopefully I enjoy it.

-scotty

I agree with wyzo, this album cannot get much worse.

-Justin

So I finally got to listen to this the whole way through in the car tonight, it grew on me. This might be one of those CDs with a lot of longevity.

I had to let this grow on me but I had to do that with TIOS too. I did doubt them a bit when I heard All That's Left, but I will never doubt them again. Even if you don't like Thrice you should at least recognize that they are extremely talented.

I saw these guys open/co-headline with Hot Water Music, and maybe it was just the sound or the fact that I haven't heard the CD but they played for an hour... an hour of the longest most annoying metalcore stuff I have heard. I really wasn't impressed at all.

can someone post a link to the calvin & hobbes review? i hear so many good things about it but have never read it / can't find it

I think this album might grow on me. As far as the review. It was a pretty clever idea...it jusn't didnt turn out so well...

-NewKid

"This band sucks ass and the review is even worse, please let this band just go away.¨

okay, youre intitled to your opinion, but just dont be an ass about it. again that is..

I wanted to pick this up but the fucking best buy around here got one copy.

fAt mAn

I wish it was faster, but it is very good. That's all I have to say.

this is a bad record. i just wanted something mediocre, an entertaining listen, nothing mindblowing, but this truly surpassed all expectations of lowering the bar.

wyzo

Jesus christ...enough with the look-how-clever-i-am reviews. Just tell me if the album sucks or not!!!

this album is boring. Some standout tracks, but nonetheless, boring. The first album was amazing, but this one just doesn't do it for me

Im sure I would like it if I could get it. Seems as though Island thinks so little of their new band that its considering it and import..... TO CANADA of all places. Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Ive heard dates as far as august 12.

gayest review ever

fiftieth

This album grew on me a lot. It's not quite Illusion of Safety (it's more of a CD that you can listen to at night, while IOS was a day CD), but it sounds less of a mess. And thank god the review wasn't shit. I'd be pissed if an album so many people were interested about were summed up in a two paragraph statement of thrice love

best record of the year by far.

well as for this record, it took a fw listens before i realized that i really liked the direction thrice took. Yes it is more radio friendly, yes a part in cold cash colder hearts sounds very similar to radiohead, yes the riffs in paper tigers sounds all too similar with killswitch engage- my last serenade. Discounting all these things i find this record amaizng. Dustins lyrics are like poetry some even include a rhyme scheme! The titles for the songs reflect originality.

The drums and bass are 10x better than the previous albums (fi, ic, ios)and dustins vocals are refined (which at first i didnt not like but now i love) This album is very passionate (Stare at the Sun, even better in acoustic)

GREat review very entertaining, thrice needs to release an acoustic album adn dustin needs to release a book of poetry

to sum up this album REFINED and maybe a little overproduced

you know what i ddint even bother with my score, and it's not a 10

To be honest this is too slow to me. I'm more of a deadbolt, to awake and avenge the dead, kill me quickly, betrayal...hell, im more of a IOS type of guy. I want it fast the whole time. This album is good, but I will only listen to it a few times. and teppei's parts aren't as fast a fucking out-of-know-where like ios. But hey, maybe theyre trying to be slower on purpose....? Radio perhaps?

"this record is brilliant. i dare any poison the well, thursday, taking back sunday or any of those other hardcore/emo/etc bands to write a record this good. i can break it down for you - none of them can play like thrice. even more so, none of them can sing like thrice."

that comment is going a little far, i dont think thrice is a terrible band but they have never done anything that hasnt been done and they dont do it any better than other bands, if you ask me any half decent singer could sing for thrice, i dont consider it to be a golden voice, if you ask me they are a little to stero typical for my tastes, "ok i will sing melodic you wait for the breakdown and scream faintly in the background."

oh, and stick -greenvandal under the last post. damn other peoples computers and not having auto log in.

-Greenvandal

I never intend to outdo calvin and hobbes. that was genius. i just like to try and keep it fresh :)

Clever review, great fucking album. It took me a mintue or two to rearrange the lyrics cards in order, that's the only bad I have to say about the album or THRICE. You can't beat the price - $8 bucks at BB and also the pre-order free t-shirt dealy with Island.

I don't think THRICE has comprimised their sound at all with signing to a major label.... this is a great sound and progression from the last two albums, even though TIOS was tight. Under a Killing Moon and Silohuette are amazing. Can't wait to see them at the Warped Tour in Cleveland.

I loved this review. Most of the "creative" reviews posted on this site are pretty lame, but this one was well-done.

As for the album itself, at first, I didn't really like it. It's grown on me, though, and I'm quite fond of "The Artist in the Ambulance" in particular.

You've got a long way to go before you can top Calvin & Hobbes discussing Hot Water Music. That's still the best review I've ever seen on this site.

People must be a little retarded. This subtle riffs in most the songs blow my mind. And the breakdowns, when they do occur are pretty fucking tight. I really dig this cd. I dont think itll live up to IOS, but who knows.

Identity Crisis is their "worst" album if you can call it that. Its obvious Dustin tries to sound smarter than he really is. For a while it wa reffered to as Thrice syndrome.But on IOS and this new album, his lyrics seem to fit just right.

off to see BTBAM,
-feedmynightmare

"Typical band going to a major label and changing the sound that their fans love to try to appeal to the mainstream audience. There are some good songs on this cd like songs 3,9, and 11 but it can't compare to Illusion which is one of the best cd's ever."

you are retarded.

please make a case for how they changed their sound. dummy.

i didn't know you can talk to CDs. Got a give it a try with my Dillinger Escape Plan CD.

I just got this album and heard half of it. Overall for now, not totally off the wall but keeps me interested through out. yeah it's no "ID" or "TIOS" but at least the band doesn't compromise themselves. "Silhoutte" and "Under a Killing Moon" rock so far.
So in conclusion:

ID->great introduction
TIOS->they took harcore and metal riff pills
TAITA->a baby step back, but just like any other baby slowly goes forward

Typical band going to a major label and changing the sound that their fans love to try to appeal to the mainstream audience. There are some good songs on this cd like songs 3,9, and 11 but it can't compare to Illusion which is one of the best cd's ever.

This is growing on me, but they'll never top Identity Crisis.

"This is nu metal"

good thing you're not writing reviews either. you should listen to the record before you comment.

i love this album the more i listen. i think it's absolutely great. sure it doesn't compare to the old(with me anyway) but it's good stuff. seeing it live made me like it even more too.

-greyicewater

This is nu metal

I haven't really figured out where I stand with this release yet. Which is odd because Identity Crisis and IOS both were stuck in my head right away. Oh yeah, the card idea sucks.

speaking of interviews, where the hell is the BloodBrothers interview, i remember hearing about that along time ago... and its still not here.

"Very mediocre. Identity Crises meets saves the day."

good thing you're not writing reviews. it sounds nothing like that comparison.

this record is brilliant. i dare any poison the well, thursday, taking back sunday or any of those other hardcore/emo/etc bands to write a record this good. i can break it down for you - none of them can play like thrice. even more so, none of them can sing like thrice.

"cold cash, colder hearts" is amazing.
"the artist in the ambulance" is so freaking powerful.
"sillhuoutte" and "paper tigers" are them rocking at their best.

love it.

the packaging is aesome. too bad they stole the card idea dealy from pearl jam.

i couldnt even read the review, its hard enough to read a real interview, but i usually do just cause i want to hear what the band had to say. Having a album review written that way, ehhh, i'll pass.But its creative, i'll give you that.

anyway, I really like the album. Its not as ambitious but its still really good.

I thought it was cool review. Don't let asshole tell you what to do.

Awesome review. It says everything you needed to say and it kept me interested even though I hate Thrice. The only people bitching about it are the ones who don't have the attention span to get through it or who don't have the slightest bit of creativity to enjoy it.

album is great but review sucks. you tried being clever and original, but u just suck

this cd is very good its just not normal thrice its more stuctured. still great lyrics and everything somethings just not the same

I look at "paper tigers" as a bitched down version of "the abolition of man". Its structure and formula are so cliche, and the bridge isnt very strong. But it is still really good. And the opening track has been ten other thrice songs already. Thats why I didnt talk about them. I always thought everyone was sick of song by song reviews, so i only said my highlights.

-GreenVandal

i give it a 1 for the reviewer. he fucking sucks.... like the guy above me said get a real review.......

Why the fuck do people reveiw the way? Get a FUCKING REAL REVIEW DAMNIT!

reviewer is on crack

I agree, I dl'd it and hated it, and then it began to grow on me. I bought it on Tuesday and I'm starting to really like it. The only thing I didn't like on "All thats left" are the emo-riffic backing vocals towards the end of the song. All in all, he album is a nice progression for them.

-sickboi

i've come to the conclusion that some people just have shitty stereos and they dont hear the full complexity of certain albums. perhaps theyve only got one guitar part drums and vocals coming out of their speakers. because this album fucking rocks, as did the last 2, despite the slight change in style.

This band sucks ass and the review is even worse, please let this band just go away.

You know, I agree that this album is obviously less metal, but really, this was the only direction they could have gone in. They pulled it off beautifully, and no one can deny that they write terrific riffs and pull off a ton of time changes. This album is indeed art, and I actually think is more likely to win over new fans seeing how it's more accesible while still keeping it's roots.

Thrice has terrifics lyrics, and the vocal harmonies are one of their strong points. If Dustin and the rest of this band couldn't sing, I honestly don't think I'd appreciate it as much. His vocals on staring at the sun are just so smooth and varied, that it really adds a lot to the songs.

And The Artist In The Ambulance is really quite an inspiring song, no matter who you are- there are really some great messages in these lyrics.

I think this album is just the next logical step for Thrice, and it really blew me away.

"This CD is very weak, halfassed, and will be overrated by millions.

Song songs are okay (the best being "All That's Left"), but some songs are just boring (see the second half of the album."

in all reality, this album is not that radio friendly, and is not geared towards the mtv crowd. maybe you should stop listening to this. now.

Very mediocre. Identity Crises meets saves the day.

very very creative review... i liked it. you pulled off everything you wanted to say, and it was all accurate. good album, not as good as IOS, better than IC, but thats how every album of theirs is going to come out from now on.

shit review...great, hard album. It's so good...read pastepunk's review, it says it all.

This CD is very weak, halfassed, and will be overrated by millions.

Song songs are okay (the best being "All That's Left"), but some songs are just boring (see the second half of the album).

It all sounds the same.

Overall a very solid albumn. If I have to nitpick anything, it's the same thing I say about most bands' first release on a major label - what happened to the tempo? All the songs are slllooowwww. Good, heavy, but slow. Where are the up-tempo tunes? And I don't necessarily mean songs with the old (forgive me for saying this) "Fat Style" double-bass drum rolls, but the faster songs like a Deadbolt. In any case, very solid albumn. I will enjoy this for a long time.

greenvandal, what kind of drugs do you use? ;)

I only got this yesterday, so I haven't really had much time to let it grow on me, but so far I'm quite pleased with it. It's a pretty solid and fun record in my opinion.

I think it's going to be faulted by people not so much because of what it does, but because of how they feel it measures up to their last album. I wasn't one of those people who took that record as gospel, so I don't feel that fanatical Thrice passion that I've seen...

I think this album is destined to be criticized non-stop, but it is also an album that can handle it. The review fails to mention the two best songs on the album, "Cold Cash and Colder Hearts" some of my favorite lyrics on the album, and "Paper Tigers" that, quite simply, rocks your fucking socks off.

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