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Avenged Sevenfold

Avenged Sevenfold: Waking The FallenWaking The Fallen (2003)
Hopeless Records

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Heavy fucking metal! If it was possible for me to write a three word review, I'd leave it at that; but I'm obligated to write a full review, so here you go. Avenged Sevenfold first caught my eye when I was browsing through the pamphlet/zine that came with the first "Plea for Peace" compilation. T.
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Heavy fucking metal! If it was possible for me to write a three word review, I'd leave it at that; but I'm obligated to write a full review, so here you go. Avenged Sevenfold first caught my eye when I was browsing through the pamphlet/zine that came with the first "Plea for Peace" compilation. The Good Life Records band was compared to Guns n Roses, Queen, and Social Distortion. I don't know where the Social D comparison came from, but their first album "Sounding the Seventh Trumpet" was one of the most eclectic releases I've heard in a long time. Hopeless was also impressed, as they quickly snatched the band up and released the album.

So that leaves us here, two years after the original version of "Sounding the Seventh Trumpet" was released. "Waking The Fallen" is definitely a more focused effort than their past material, and it takes strides away from metalcore. I'd have to say that this album is a lot more melodic as well, with Matt's singing taking more of a center stage this time around. His voice sounds better as well, as his range has improved. The almost opera-like backing vocals make their return, but they are better utilized than before and they really add something to the songs. Make no mistake though, he can still belt out a throat destroying scream with the best of them. The guitar playing also seems to be more refined, with intricate dual guitar work and blazing solos. This album is basically a combination between the many different varieties of metal. You get the Slayerish solo at the beginning of "Eternal Rest", the power metal meets Metallica vibe of "Chapter Four", the melodic death metal of "Second Heartbeat", and who could forget the Iron Maiden influence that is very apparent throughout this disc. The only thing that is missing is a straight up punk track, ala "Streets". I really enjoyed this band's take on Bad Religion style punk, and I was hoping for another song like that. You can't have everything, I suppose.

One of my few complaints here would be the new version of "Second Heartbeat". I don't know why they had to mess with a good thing, the version of this song on "Hopelessly Devoted to You" was virtually flawless and it is probably my favorite Avenged Sevenfold song. The new version is still very good, but the urgency that was so prevalent in the original is gone. I can't really figure out what has happened here, it seems slower yet heavier, but this is only a minor complaint. Avenged Sevenfold is a band that is really doing something different and as such they've managed to distance themselves from the pack. A lot of bands attempt to mix metal with other styles, but they often fail because they try to do more than they're capable of doing. Not this band, every stylistic change on here goes off without a hitch.

Expect to hear a lot about this release very soon, and for once I can say this: believe the hype.

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ScottyDarke (May 18, 2009)

One of the very few albums i can listen to over and over again, and all the way through. very polished sound over Sounding the Seventh Trumpet, and far more skill is shown in this album than any other they have or will release.

there is def some very strong influences of Pantera, Metallica and iron Maiden, but at the same time Shadow's vocals, Gates' rifts and the Rev's insanely fast and energetic beat is what makes this album an unforgetable experience.

as far as the best overall song, i would have to say Radiant Eclipse impressed me the most. From the grabbing intro rift, and the Rev's beat brings the song into focus and sets the pace, while shadows shows his abilities to throw both enraging screams and reluctant melodies bring the well thought lyrics out to shine.

a7xrocker4ever (November 22, 2006)

hey coffinfullofnails shut the fuck up! a7x rocks! and you know it! you just want to be the one person wha has to hate a band for success and its bull shit! i bet if they werer still "underground" you would love them!

coffinfullofnails (June 20, 2006)

" the thing about it is that a7x fans r diehard and dont just like them 4 stupid reasons!! and if there "ripping off music and other bands" tell me y i kno so many ppl who r ready to do anything 4 them (like myself) b/c of there music!??"

....because people are sheep and if others like it they will like it that is part of the problem. why was kangaroo jack a number one movie for months in the u.s.. im done arguing with you because it is pointless. Just do me this favor when you graduate high school come back and read what you wrote and how you wrote it and see how much you honestly like them then and then we will so who the idiot truly is.

a7xbabe4ever (June 14, 2006)

ur an idoit!

coffinfullofnails (June 12, 2006)

Wow, you know what I am done. Did you even read what you wrote? I never said anything about you cutting or any of that shit, they sold american flag shirts that said "love it or die"(talking about our country). you know what, I cant argue with you anymore because the stupidity of this band, and it's retarded, mall based, fan base is making my head hurt. Again all i have to say is FUCK THIS BAND.

a7xbabe4ever (June 7, 2006)

well fuck u! u may not like there music or beliefs but i do!!! i agree w/ EVERYTHING! the stand 4!! the thing about it is that a7x fans r diehard and dont just like them 4 stupid reasons!! and if there "ripping off music and other bands" tell me y i kno so many ppl who r ready to do anything 4 them (like myself) b/c of there music!?? and 4 ur information they dont say to go kill urself ir cut urself there one of the main reasons i dont cut myself anymore!! so if u dont like them to bad!! and ur right i will "worship" them amd always love them! infact im getting a deathbat tattoo! now if u will please shut up and go away it would really give all true a7x fans peace from the annoyance that is u!

coffinfullofnails (June 5, 2006)

Holy shit. Did you even fucking read the shit I wrote before. To put it plain and simple for you, since you obviously need it put that way. I fucking love music, and not just one genre i'm talking music in fucking general is my passion. The reason i hate them so much is they embody everything wrong with music today. Since you seem to fairly represent their fan base, low IQ and head so far up your ass you cant tell origianl music from the shit it is ripping off even though they do it horribly, im going to say this, like what you like,I'm not bashing you for that, I'm bashing on these fucks because they are pieces of shit that, like hawthorne heights, are ruining music today. go worship a7x, and love our government or die like they say, while I enjoy the music that I like and support my beliefs which since they differ from yours you probably won't like, but I hate this band and what they do enough that i see fit to voice my opinion.

a7xbabe4ever (June 1, 2006)

ya know what if u dont like them get over it!! i dont know what ur problem is but i dont need to hear it! GET OFF THIER SITE IF U DONT LIKE THEM!!! there usic is great and is origianl (probally spelled wrong) so wutever!! u dont c me going around talking bad about other bands? y do u have a problem w/ them so much? - ERIKA

coffinfullofnails (May 31, 2006)

They themselves have admitted to the glam rock thing and trying to be guns and roses, and im sorry thats not punk hardcore or anything punk,just really shitty pop metal hardcore and it is generic and bland. eyeshadow is not punk rock and it doesnt matter what color its still makeup and they are into their fashion and the way they look so i guess they might be fashion rock instead of glam rock but either way its crap compared to the other bands in the genres they claim to be a part of. all i have to say is fuck this band and everything they stand for.

a7xbabe4ever (May 25, 2006)

what i meant was how there music is diffrent from all the other music on today...............but to the person who is calling them glam rock you r totally wrong! glam rock was defined that b/c they were PINK EYESHADOW and BLUE LINER! and r really girly!! a7x is hardcore/punk thats y they wear black eyeliner besides if u actually listened to there music they ROCK!! A7X 4EVER! - Erika

Anonymous (May 23, 2006)

vvv tell me that was a typo or joke. what is cool about a band being apart from the crowd? bands that actually get into the energy with their fans and jump in the crowd are the fun ones. they are the true showmen or women.

a7xbabe4ever (May 19, 2006)

this is the best band EVER!! i love how they r always apart from the crowd!!

coffinfullofnails (May 10, 2006)

this band is a joke. they are a perfect example of what is wrong with music today. they think they are glam rock and want to be guns and roses, fuck them, they act like they are fucking rockstars but will freak out if they gain a pound or mess up their make-up/hair/clothes.galm rock went out in the 80's for a reason, don't try to bring it back by mixing it with the most watered down shitty hardcore you can find. go listen to curl up and die or countervail. another flash in the pan band, this one just pisses me off, and to the person below a lot of people post anonymously because they dont have an account. but i read your profile ... this is the fucking internet people will talk shit and say whatever the fuck they want and thats what is awesome. if a band wants to get butt hurt cuz someone is talking shit about them or because someone doesn't like them they are in the wrong business. my friends band has had shit talked about them on hear and they thought it was funny cuz people talk out of their asses but you cant stop them. so go cry about it and listen to all that crap you listed as your favorite music and stop trying to be some internet badass. i will voice when i hate a band ezpecially if the reaons are strong enough to me. come on you like a7x you are all about america right? total proud to be americans. well eat my first ammendment... and go fuck yourself, cuz ill say what i want till i want and you cant do shit about it.

okay person below me needs to get some balls and not post anonymously because if ur gonna write that at least fess up to it and pay the price. I LOVE THIS BAND AND IF YOU DONT THEM TOO BAD I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT!
LOVE TO A7X AND THE REV IS HOTT!!!
A7X FOREVER

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

to the comment below i Would rather die than be associated with or even listen to this abomination to music. i hope this band dies.

Anonymous (November 12, 2005)

I was very happy when i got this 2 years ago, screaming was solid, singing was pretty melodic, solid band and well done songs.
One of my favourite cds in my collection, but with the release of the unholy confessions video they started to form the scene fan base and now we have City of evil.
They need to turn it around and get back to the albums sounding this like one, because right now they're on an extremely fast spiral to crap and losing all their older fans.

Anonymous (October 24, 2005)

Love it or die.

Anonymous (August 4, 2005)

"Fight Paris" is way better than these guys. shit.

Anonymous (August 4, 2005)

a7x's first album was pretty good. I literally almost cried after hearing this sack of shit. WTF!? aside from the solos, everything else was a piece of crap! atreyu is way better than these posers. a7x's guitars have nothing on atreyu. ever. and their singer sucks ass now hes a faggot. these asses needs to listen to atreyu for like a week straight and then they can finally make some good records. and not this album, but city of evil is even more of a joke than this piece of shit. WTF happened to his voice? he sounds like guns and roses, one of the most homosexual bands ive ever heard!

if you kiddies get bored of atreyu.. theres a group called "scary kids scaring kids." check it out

Anonymous (July 5, 2005)

After buying their latest release, City of Evil, I was hooked. I immediately ordered Waking the Fallen from Hopeless (Priority Mail). I was so excited when it came like a little kid at Christmas that I ripped open the envelope violently, tearing an enclosed poster and sticker in half, too. But I didn't care! I had the CD at last and rushed to the stereo to play it. As expected, the CD was awesome, too...and it didn't sound exactly like the other one as most bands do anymore.

Anonymous (June 22, 2005)

A7x kicks ass. Fuck off if you dont like them.

ice-cold (May 27, 2005)

When I originally heard AX7 I knew they played some amazing music but I couldn't get past the vocals. First the screaming was hard to enjoy and I HATED the parts where he sounds like metallica; yuck... but it wasn't long before I realized how good M.Shadows screams are, and his singing voice is great it's just an aquired taste. Eventually you realize it goes perfectly with the music. I think the only real problem with this band is trying to classify them... Call it metal, punk, rock, pop, whatever you want just appreciate the quality for what it is. They'll be one of the bands I'll be looking forward to seeing at Warped Tour this summer.

Anonymous (March 7, 2005)

best band ever fuck you if you dont like them you are stupid. You obviously dont know tallent you green day listening pussies.

a7x (March 5, 2005)

My favourite band what else can I say

Anonymous (January 31, 2005)

My favorite band. The creativity and skill that went into this album is truely amazing.

A

Anonymous (November 23, 2004)

I really enjoyed this album. I haven't heard an album that has a mixture of metal, punk, & emo.

Not only can they sing, they can also scream their heads off. That's why it's so enjoyable to listen to. There's no way anyone can get bored. All of the songs include a bit of screaming and a bit of singing. What band can really do that?

Those bands that are all about screaming are crap! They're good at first, for the first few seconds, but then it tends to get annoying. And too much singing does tend to get boring as well. So, they managed to mix them both. One part singing, and one part screaming along with the wonderful sound of the guitar.

On top of all that, their songs are pretty lengthy and they change the style and rythm, unlike others that last for only a minute or they keep playing and playing the same ol shit.

Hey, for those who are haters because of their singing, at least be grateful that they don't dance.

As for the band, their album kicks ass.

Anonymous (November 21, 2004)

"Metal" for scene kids who do not have a clue. Ditch this shit, pick up some At The Gates or something... god even DIMMU BORGIR kills this trash...

Anonymous (October 26, 2004)

Awesome Music

Anonymous (September 15, 2004)

Tthis is a what you call a realy great album its a nice combination metal-core whit punk only i dont like the song thats made a clip for but nothing is perfect it still is a fucking great album !! so do your thing guys !!

Anonymous (September 5, 2004)

"Honestly, when they can get someone who can sing, I'll check this band out again."

HA! When you have actually listened to A7X than i will check your comments out again. Avenged has probably (keep that word in mind, PROBABLY) a better voice than anyone in any band you listen to. His "screaming" can be annoying, but his singing voice is incredible.

-alrightythen

Anonymous (September 5, 2004)

"Honestly, when they can get someone who can sing, I'll check this band out again."

HA! When you have actually listened to A7X than i will check your comments out again. Avenged has probably (keep that word in mind, PROBABLY) a better voice than anyone in any band you listen to. His "screaming" can be annoying, but his singing voice is incredible.

Anonymous (September 3, 2004)

wtf. owned.

Frankoi (September 3, 2004)

Again I bought this album today along with the first sounding the seventh trumpet and fucking hell how I loved the second album it's just fucking heavy metal!!!

And again rock on for I am Frankoi!!!

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

nuff said

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

i would give this album a 20 if i could but i cant so i gave it a 10.avenged sevenfold is the greatest band around now they geniuses at making music and if i had chance i would hang out with them everyday and watch all there shows but i cant so i see them when i can and whatever.

Anonymous (August 9, 2004)

i'm back again. my brother and his friend are stupid. thay hate avenged sevenfold. i take alot of smack for liking them. which is great!! although i do have to admit m. shadows beautiful singing does sound a little cheesy at times, but i still think a7x and they are the greatest band ever. pick up this months REVOLVER magazine. m. shadows is in it. and pick up Hopelessly devoted to you vol.5. it has an enhanced cd part on it that has the unholy confessions video. however my fucking computer couldn't handle the enhanced part so i couldn't watch the video. if anyone can figure out how to make it work on a windows 98, pleez let me know. rock on A7X fans!!!

- katie

Anonymous (August 7, 2004)

kick ass album. but if you hear their first album " sounding the seventh trumpet", its more punkish. i like punk and metal, but i like metal more. i've been a fan for 8 months now and if you don't own their first album yet, you suck. anyways go to wakingthefallen.com. its a fansite for A7X. not as good as the official, of course, but they update it more than the official.

-katie

Anonymous (August 6, 2004)

Best Album ever... not even anything close. At first i didnt like it because of the screaming... but if you just ignor that and listen to the music its truly unbeleivable. The guitar work is not only musically but technically speaking amazing. Every song is hit (no second heartbeat is not the only great song on the album.. (besides the intro) i'd say everything on the album is amazing). The regular sung vocals are amazing, and lyrically the band is so poetic and so dark i love it.
Now once you accept all this and give them a chance, you discover that you are starting to like the screaming. Unlike most other 'screamo' bands, with the low end roaring, or the high end screetching... avenged has gotten the the perfect mix to give a mid sound that is understandable, and yet still dark. They are SO good and if you have honestly given them a chance for acouple months and say it sucks, then fine... but ignorant people who hear screaming and say it sucks are a waste of life. I listened to this CD every day for 3 months... and never once did i get bored of it. Honestly amazing. There are other bands that are also great, but not every one of their songs is amazing. Avenged on the other hand are flawless... SO good. DEFINATELY a 10 (if there was an 11 id pick that)

Anonymous (August 5, 2004)

this is the greatest album ever!!! i don't care if anyone thinks thay suck. i've been a fan for 7 months now!! great review!! this comment sounds queer

Anonymous (August 5, 2004)

This is one hell of a pile of shit dude

Anonymous (August 3, 2004)

avenged sevenfold fucking ROCKS for life fuck you guyz who ever thinks they suck your the ones who sucks 4r not likeing them!!!!!!!!!! HARDCORE METAL ROCKS

Anonymous (July 5, 2004)

a7x fuckin rocks...one of the few bands out there to be excited about! get this disc.

Anonymous (June 25, 2004)

bäääähh, fuck metal!

Anonymous (June 3, 2004)

horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible horrible

Anonymous (May 5, 2004)

I love the guitar work (quite possibly one of my favourites of any band out there) but the vocals are so horrid it makes my spinal cord shiver in fear.

Honestly, when they can get someone who can sing, I'll check this band out again.

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

I mean a7x. Opps. And the ones that dont like avenged sevenfold go fuck off.

Anonymous (April 15, 2004)

Dude, I love this CD so much. I only been to only one of there concerts and it was the best thing in the world..I fell in love with this band.! A&X 4 life!

Anonymous (April 11, 2004)

How the hell did this album get on whats supposed to be like punk album reviews? This CD barely shows any signs of punk in it. This album is a fuckload more metal-influenced than STST. You can hear some of the Swedish melo-death in here, you can hear Iron Maiden in it, random thrash that brings Pantera and Metallica to the mind, and just a short short short tad bit of punkiness, most obvious in Second Heartbeat. This isn't for punkers, this is metalcore, not punk by any means. I can see why they are disliked by quite a few on the board, this isn't punk, do not get this if you are looking for punk. And its not power-metal if you're looking for that, its just good music, and fuck you if don't like M. Shadows voice, his screaming, I call it screaming because it doesn't really sound like growling, and his clean voice isn't really power metaly, its decent. He's not a half-bad vocalist, I in fact like his vocals. I'll just say, this isn't for somebody who's looking for one type of sound, its a fusion of influences, thats done rather well. If you're looking for one type of sound, whether it be plain punk, plain power-metal, plain-thrash, you won't like this. The musicians are rather talented, as heard in the riffing, the shred solo's in Eternal Rest, Second Heartbeat, and I wont see you tonight part two, there drummer is obviously rather talented, and they have a decent vocalist.

Anonymous (March 23, 2004)

I don't like heavy metal (infact, I hate it) but I love punk rock. Would I have any reason to buy this record? (not a rhetorical question, i would appreciate an answer ;) )

Anonymous (February 19, 2004)

...and the hype is... avenged sevenfold sucks. Worse than the Casualties. If this is even possible.

YgTheWarGoat (October 30, 2003)

I'm so glad I found a site where people have decent grammar skills.

badguywrestler (October 10, 2003)

death to false metal??? What the fuck are u talkin about??? Whoever sed that insert gun to mouth and pull the fuckin trigger. Avenged Sevenfold is the real deal. Avenged blows me away everytime i see them. The new album is amazing!!!! I cant wait to see them in 16 days!

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

This cd blew my mind.....get it right now.....it's a mix between punk-hardcore-metal-emo-flat out great singing.....this is what music was meant to be like.

Anonymous (September 17, 2003)

i only hate kevin11 because he talks about michigan, the scumhole of the earth. i would rather not be reminded of the pieces of shit and vomit-faced cocksuckers that inhabit that worthless pockmark on america. by the way....the only reason michigan is still a state is because they manufacture (shitty) cars. in my humble opinion, i think we should throw all of the michigan-dwellers into a giant vat, melt them down, and use them as rubber for tires on decent (read: non-american) cars.

Anonymous (September 17, 2003)

and FUCK YOU if you think you are allowed to like these shitfaces because you *think* you know what metal is. this is the most disgusting shit i have EVER HEARD.

Anonymous (September 17, 2003)

these guys are the epitome of what is wrong with "punk" today. do any of you realize that they are on the "Madden 2004" football game for ps2, and have altered their lyrics for "chapter four" on the game itself??? it is THE MOST FUCKING RIDICULOUS THING I HAVE EVER HEARD. instead of "i'm coming to kill you/won't leave until you die", it's "i'm coming to tell you/won't leave unitl you try" on the game.....WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT MEAN????? FUCK THESE GUYS. FUCK HOPELESS RECS. THESE GUYS SUCK REALLY BAD....IF YOU DON'T THINK SO, YOU ARE BEING BRAINWASHED. oh, and by the way -- fuck you (really, REALLY hard) if you like them, because you are what is ruining my lifelong love for punk rock.

GreenVandal (September 2, 2003)

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. haha, well it aint that bad. At least its shot creatively.

Anonymous (September 1, 2003)

polititcal... haha

Anonymous (September 1, 2003)

Oh, and about Thrice's polititcal posing, I'm talking about their stupid radio single and music video with a bunch of fashion punks stormig a police barricade. It reminded me of something from a bad death metal video, minus the gore.

-BSD

Anonymous (September 1, 2003)

Well if you're fond of a strong r-section, then you'd like the fact that the Clash's two drummers were two of the best in the history of the genre... Their second was the best.

-BSD

GreenVandal (September 1, 2003)

I understand everything you just said perfectly fine BSD, and to be quite honest, I dont consider any of this punk either. But I dont just like punk, I happen to like whatever the fuck this shit is called this month as well. (Although the lyrical department is SORELY lacking. Most of these bands need to try to branch out a bit) I havent heard a "punk" band in a long time. Im tempted ot say The Bronx...but there lyrics are rather self obsessed. And saying I dont like older punk is a bit of a overstatement, as I do have a thing for the Buzzcocks, but they really werent that much of a punk band either(again from a lyrical stand point). I dont really dig the older punk style at all. Actually, I really dont dig any older music now that i think about it. Actually you saying everything is "sound manipulation to a beat" really makes sense to me, as the rhythm section of the band is usually the point I pay most attention to and enjoy the most. There is no arguing that drumming has gotten more advanced over the years, and that might be why I really cant dig into older material, as it usually has a relatively simple and boring beat. But anyway, my loss or not, thats just my preferences, and unfortunately I cant get into my brainto fix them. Ill give the Clash more of a shot (as I always ment to, but never did).

And on a side note, Thrice is not politically posing at all. I never once saw them make any statemtn to anyone about there political stances...ever. There songs make slight references, but they in no way show themselves as a political band.

Anonymous (August 31, 2003)

These vocals are terrible I think. I dig the music.

Thats the problem with most metal. It's either overly cheesy (Iron Maiden) or it's just flat out yelling/growling. And it gets annoying.

I'm going back to my new Joe Strummer...

FortyMinutesWest (August 31, 2003)

He doesn't sound much like Hetfield, except on "Chapter Four" where there's a little bit of a similarity. He sounds like Axl Rose on some of the later tracks, but much better. Still he does sing power metal styled vocals as well, he doesn't go as over the top as some of the other bands, but nonetheless, the comparison remains.

Anonymous (August 31, 2003)

"Im not very much clash. I dont really know the names of the songs. Im not really into older punk. I have heard enough to know they are better then 90% of the bands that are considered "punk" today. And they are far more creative then Thrice (although, again, I love Thrice, but they arent exactly innovative). Refused on the other hand, is pretty much the embodiment of everyhting I like in music. So i like them better then the Clash. Although I guess im not really the best authourity on them to begin with, now am I?"

Well it's nice that you know that, but I kinda think that until you actually buy or DL the entirety of their first album, you might want to wait until you declare that you don't like them... I mean, "old punk" as you call it is by far the only "punk" today that stands up today as something more than three kids with spikes and mohawks playing the same 3 chords over and over, and preaching unity while excluding from their social clique... I don't consider Thrice or this stuff punk at all, not because I think punk is a set musical style, but because heavy metal is, and this stuff sounds like boring by the book metal... Thrice is like pop-rock with short metal solos. They politically pose worse than Rage Against the Machine. Just listen to the Clash's first album (or CD) and think about a time when politically "posing" was not a bad thing compared to the rest of pop culture, and when bands actually knew how to make songs instead of just manipulating noise to a set beat. Hell, the reason the Clash aren't remembered as just another "old punk band" is because within the first year of existence they were already toying around with ideas outside of the raw rock n roll set up.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 31, 2003)

No no no no... His clean voice is not power metal'ish in the least. Don't compare those horrible clean vocals to the likes of Lost horizon, Sonata Arctica, Hammer Fall, Freedom Call, Rhapsody, Dream Evil, Helloween, or hell, even fucking Sinergy.

Its overly Hetfieldian (ala James Hetfield), and thats all there is to it. His vocals sound nothing like your average power metal vocals.

GreenVandal (August 31, 2003)

Im not very much clash. I dont really know the names of the songs. Im not really into older punk. I have heard enough to know they are better then 90% of the bands that are considered "punk" today. And they are far more creative then Thrice (although, again, I love Thrice, but they arent exactly innovative). Refused on the other hand, is pretty much the embodiment of everyhting I like in music. So i like them better then the Clash. Although I guess im not really the best authourity on them to begin with, now am I?

FortyMinutesWest (August 30, 2003)

This is metal. I don't care if you can buy it at Hot Topic or whatever, hell I don't even care if any shops there. I don't, but what does it even matter? The elitism coming out of metal lately wasn't something I expected, it's kind of sad really.

Anonymous (August 30, 2003)

If you buy the new Avenged Sevenfold
at any Hot Topic store you will get a free leather cod piece with purchase.

Death To False Metal!

FortyMinutesWest (August 30, 2003)

His clean voice is just typical power metal singing, without the swordfights and dragons that usually fill those songs.

Kevin11 (August 30, 2003)

If you'll scroll down, you'll see I said "Predicted score 45-0, mark it dudes" when speaking of the Michigan Central Michigan game, the score right now is 45-7. I'm just saying...

Anonymous (August 30, 2003)

Which Clash S/T songs have you heard, Green Vandal?

Anonymous (August 30, 2003)

This band is good at what they do... but the guy's clean voice is extremely grating.

Cringe factor up to fucking 10.

I can't stand it.

Its so cheesey that I have to stop it every time I hear it. So overly Hetfeildian that it makes you clutch your stomach in pain...

If only he'd growled the whole album... then it would have been great.

Not that his growl/snarl/scream is all that great... but his clean voice is one of the worst I've ever heard. I can't like this band because of it, and thats bad.

GreenVandal (August 30, 2003)

I own everlasting and fanning the flames of discontent. I rarely ever listen to either anymore.

Anonymous (August 30, 2003)

Yeah right. Which songs have you heard GreenVandal?

Kevin11 (August 30, 2003)

Forty, correction, I fucking LOVE getting a rise out of people on this site. The best ones are when I post something and then I get 20 responses of all "dude, get your balls out your mouth faggot!" or "dude, your a faggot" or "shut up, faggot. Check the archives man, it's all there. If they only knew, if they didn't call me "faggot" or didn't say such childish things, I would just stop posting!

P.S. Michigan is going to rip Central Michigan and new asshole tomorrow. 45-0 predicted score. Mark it dudes.

FortyMinutesWest (August 30, 2003)

Am I the only one who doesn't hate Kevin11? I think his reviews are funny, he obviously likes to get a rise out of you guys, and he does it very well.

GreenVandal (August 30, 2003)

....I said the Clash are better then Thrice. but I still can see how he would think that. I wont get into how, seeing as understanding someone else perspective is a lost cause with you.

And I really just cant stand there earlier work....i tried and tried and tried.

But that dosnt stop "TSOPTC" form being my fav album ever.

Kevin11 (August 29, 2003)

Fuck the lack of plus sign-workage on this site.

Kevin11 (August 29, 2003)

Me BSD combine to make the "new" Wussemorock, because honestly I don't think either of us can be THAT lame by ourselves. Think about it. It's like looking for the next Michael Jordon.

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

songs to fan the flames of discontent and everlasting are both incredible album/ep's on their own right, they might not take the direction that shape of punk to come, but they are still incredibly solid. other than that though, you have to be a fan to enjoy the rest of their work.

-el vaquero
i am a fan

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

"Yeah, thats what i was trying to say. "The Shape of Punk to come" owns everything. Too bad all the albums before it were just boring generic hardcore..."

hahahahaha...

Well since this is becoming Theory of Music 101, may I as the teacher ask what the hell you mean? Thrice better than the Clash? Fuccccckkkk yooooouuuuurrrrr shitty, gambleless pop fuck. Thrice are pop, kids. I don't know, its becoming the battle of the losers looking for street cred... And I think NOFXltj222 or whoever is waaaay out of his league... It's like he just said "Spinal Tap are better than the Clash"...

-BSD

Kevin11 (August 29, 2003)

"Conclusion of these comments: Kevin11 likes balls in his mouth."

NOFXpunkLTJ22, REALPUNX4LIFE has a funnier name...oh wait...you aren't kidding?

GreenVandal (August 29, 2003)

Yeah, thats what i was trying to say. "The Shape of Punk to come" owns everything. Too bad all the albums before it were just boring generic hardcore...

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

How mush is Warner Bros spending on promoting this crap while using Hopeless as a facade for the indie cred.

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

refused are not even in thrice's league, refused has no league, refused needs no league! they destroy leagues! fhkdfksdzf!

-el vaquero
please, do not get me started

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

So Kevin11, you openly admit to ripping off buddyhead and I'm the idiot for not knowing this already? That's interesting. Not having your own thoughts is pretty cool because you don't have to think!

Anonymous (August 29, 2003)

fuck you, the clash rule, it doesn't matter how old they are. I think you were trying to say that thrice were better than the clash, but you didn't exactly say that. Thrice is good but goddamn the clash are fucking punk legends. The clash were the only band that mattered

NOFXPunkLTJ22 (August 29, 2003)

Conclusion of these comments: Kevin11 likes balls in his mouth.

Thrice is more talented than thrice, in my opinion they are much better, I dislike the clash. But I don't listen to old school, and everyone has there own opinions, right?

Oh yeah, and pick up the streetlight manifesto cd, its possibly the best ska cd. ever.

GreenVandal (August 29, 2003)

haha, ZClash, that sounds cool.

Im so fucking tired.

GreenVandal (August 29, 2003)

Sorry BSD, times change. How about you try a different website? Or build a time machine? OR REVIEW THE SHIT YOU LIKE YOURSELF.

And grow some of your own ideals, rather then just picking them out of the punk rock handbook.

BUT...the clash kick thrices ass. Sorrys. I love Thrice, but the ZClash is legendary. Now Refused...thats a different story...

thriceequalsgod (August 29, 2003)

"The Locust
The Blood Brothers.
Henry Rollins
Strike Anywhere
Andrew WK
Against Me!
Radiohead"

"Death by Stereo as well, you know, that really poppy band...!"

holy shit! Kevin11, you have earned; 86; Scene points. congratulations. you now have enough for a studded leather jacket, or some doc martins from the thrift store.

although i dont agree with BSD on anything, because we seem to have very different points of view.

ive been wondering BSD, how old exactly are you?

aubin (August 28, 2003)

On the other hand, some of it is really terrible. But some of it isn't. So I guess as a whole the entire album cancels itself out. It's like it was never there.

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

But you all are forgetting about how on the 2nd song on the Streetlight Manifesto there is like 3 seconds of metal.

aubin (August 28, 2003)

This record is starting to grow on me; it's pretty much straight up metal stuff; but I started out listening to punk and old Metallica anyway, so perhaps it's appealing to some nostalgic part of me.

It also reminds me of Faith No More (later stuff) which isn't terrible either.

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

i like the album...really, i do. but doesn't it come across (esp. lyrically) as really cheesy??? almost like a spinal tap?

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

this is definitely my pick for worst album of 2003. goddamn, what a pile of fucking shit!

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

Oh, I forgot. I was thinking that Eddie guy. You're the guy who reviews the worst of the current scene... And what the fuck does a right wing news magazine have to do with me?

-BSD

Kevin11 (August 28, 2003)

Death by Stereo as well, you know, that really poppy band...!

Kevin11 (August 28, 2003)

BSD, you're sort of like the Bill O' Reilly of the site, and yes, I cover sooo much pop punk. Here is a list of pop punk bands i have reviewed.
The Locust
The Blood Brothers.
Henry Rollins
Strike Anywhere
Andrew WK
Against Me!
Radiohead
now, like 3 pop punk bands you can add on top of that, however saying I review pop punk? That's just a poor statement.

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

Oh yeah, and props out to FortyMinutesWest, cos even though I think the majority of his taste in music sucks, at least he submited the two best new reviews.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

As far as I'm concerned, this is a music review site. Reviewers often write crappy reviews, sometimes good ones.

I personally think Kevin11 is a shitty reviewer with a pretty piss poor taste in music, but thats just his musical opinion... What has that got to do with anything else? I don't understand how arguments jump from "your music sucks" to "I would kill you if I saw you"... I insulted that ThriceEqualsGod kid because he said that the Clash weren't as good as Thrice, but he retorted with something to the effect that "I'm an old dude who needs to get with the program"...

Scott reviews shitty emo most of the time. FortyMinutes does metal bands. Kevin11 reviews pop-punk... What I'm asking here is, with all of this blatant SHIT that this site reviews, how is there no room for actual punk band reviews? This week was better, with the Business and GC5, two quality acts, but for every one oft hos reviews, there are three Cursive and Cursive-like bands...

-BSD

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

must take credit for all tampon related comments i write...

beyond that, i really didn't like the songs these guys had on hopeless vol.4 is this any different?

i miss wussemorock, now, this kevin11 guy isn't very fun to hate, he fights back too much, we need someone to like shitty music and be submissive...

-el vaquero

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

this thread reminds me of american gladiators where the fought each other with those giant tampons. that was cool.

thriceequalsgod (August 28, 2003)

you know what, youre exactly write.

Kevin11 (August 28, 2003)

"b. because you think were going to accept you (contrary to your beliefs, we're not)"

Yes, my goal is to be liked by all of you! That's why I do things to make people happy! Like right positive reviews for popular bands like The Alkaline Trio and AFI. I want to be accepted!

relay1112 (August 28, 2003)

*Clang*

GreenVandal (August 28, 2003)

"Except Wuss likes Simple Plan. I like good bands, and i'm much wittier in person I assure you."

Yeah, but you would like Simple Plan if all there fans didnt wear trucker hats. Can I get a zing?

Anonymous (August 28, 2003)

They are quite possibly the worst band
ever! Why are people excited about this crap???

DEATH TO FALSE METAL!!!

thriceequalsgod (August 27, 2003)

oh sorry, youre right, i meant

"Kevin11: 0"

oh and i quit football 2 years ago, cocksucker.

"I like good bands, and i'm much wittier in person I assure you."

none of us are really gonna meet you in person, now are we? so why in the fuck do we care?

a. because we you to die. (not really a good reason, but it is the truth...)
b. because you think were going to accept you (contrary to your beliefs, we're not)
c. we dont. at all.
d. both a & c.

i think ill go with D. but lets see what other people think.

inagreendase (August 27, 2003)

on the contrary kevin11, thriceequalsgod spends the majority of his time sitting on his ass in florida and writing shitty reviews while pissing people off in his attempts to replace hitler as the most hated man alive or dead, aside from his common acitivities of throwing out cliches and sweeping generalizations based on no grounds towards both internet users and bands alike. oh, did i mention the SWEEPING GENERALIZATIONS?

oh shit, thats you, never mind

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

hey kevin11, you're name should be "GayMPM" you sack of shit.

Kevin11 (August 27, 2003)

"I dunno....Wuss occasionally had smart comments. This guy just makes me want to kill someone."

Except Wuss likes Simple Plan. I like good bands, and i'm much wittier in person I assure you.

GreenVandal (August 27, 2003)

I dunno....Wuss occasionally had smart comments. This guy just makes me want to kill someone.

Kevin11 (August 27, 2003)

"keven11: 0"

Wait, who is that? I understand thriceequalsgod, I know how hard it is to type fast before you have to go to football practice, then hot topic, then hit the skatepark. You've got a busy day ahead of you!

Kevin11 (August 27, 2003)

"I didn't think it was possible, but Kevin11 is the new WussEmoRock.

-Scott"

In terms of Hatred, yes, but not in music. But hatred, yes.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

This band is fucking badass. I still prefer Mastadon over these guys, but I guess it could be considered apples & oranges to some. I still can't wait to see these guys with the Suicide Machines this fall.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

This record rocks, and sounds like a cross between In Flames, Queen, and what St. Anger SHOULD have sounded like.

The thing about St. Anger is that it wasn't about solos, lyrics or any of that. It was just meant for intensity and pure emotion. And I think people forget that Metallica went through hell the past few years and this was just a form of therapy for them. Play as loud and angry as they want, not giving a fuck about people and if it turns people away, too bad.

I love that record to death, by the way.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

Unreal. If you have the last album and havent' heard the new one, I can only describe it as a HUGE step forward in every way. Better production, better songwriting, airtight playing, jaw-dropping vocals ... All I can say is wow.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

great album. totally won me over on the first listen. heard some from the last one, but wasn't hooked. these guys are the fuckin' shit. punk rock meets dream theater. never thought it could be done (and done well) but this band has accomplished it.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

Avenged Sevenfold rules. Period. This album owns.

thriceequalsgod (August 27, 2003)

"I didn't think it was possible, but Kevin11 is the new WussEmoRock.

-Scott"

holy. fucking. shit.... yes.

as for second heartbeat, the only thing i like better about the re-recorded version is the lead at the end. it sounds a lot cleaner and you can hear every note. something that pissed me off about it was the drumming was so much better on hopelessly devoted to you. and it seemed a little faster.. and i miss the one big scream at the beginning... but nontheless, still a great song.

maverick (August 27, 2003)

I didn't think it was possible, but Kevin11 is the new WussEmoRock.

-Scott

inagreendase (August 27, 2003)

i have no issues with this version of "second heartbeat"... i even like the fact that the terrible growling vocals in the beginning verses were cleaned up A LOT. i never fully adjusted to those throaty screeches/growling in the song and it's like they were never there now.

my first impression of the first few tracks were that the band were trying to hard to make metal anthems instead of just uptempo metalcore songs. i think a lot of people expected practically speed metal on the 2nd track after the AFI-ish intro; i know i did at least but the tempo differential is nice and pretty surprising. after listening to it a few times though they seem A LOT less like they're trying too hard.
and does anyone else notice in "I Won't See You Tonight Part 1" (awesome song) the Metallica-like...i want to say falsetto chords but i don't know how to term it...but it seems like it a lot.

pretty damn good cd. if you could call it metalcore i'd put it on the top of the genre's list for CD of the year.

GreenVandal (August 27, 2003)

I loe second heartbeat, but i havent heard the version off this CD yet...did they really fuck it up? I will be VERY upset if they did!

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

Is the Record Good or Not? Who Cares what label it's on. Get the Point already, get out of your parents house and pay your own FUCKING bills!

thriceequalsgod (August 27, 2003)

scores:

keven11: 0
the world:lets give us about 10.

you suck. too bad youre deaf, that kinda sucks too. sound is a good thing to expirience.

Anonymous (August 27, 2003)

" Wow, the person who just figured out I rip off buddyhead, ever read my reviews smart guy? Everyone else realized it a long time ago. "

How to phrase it so you will understand?

...

Cut that shit the fuck out brah, cause that's about as cool as someone's 10 year old nephew with an extra large slipknot shirt and clip on eyebrow rings.

Kevin11 (August 26, 2003)

Wow, the person who just figured out I rip off buddyhead, ever read my reviews smart guy? Everyone else realized it a long time ago.

TahoeJeff (August 26, 2003)

I just read the comment that said these guys sound like godsmack...wow..you must be fucking deaf

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

"how about reviewing more than just the songs everyone has heard. i got this cd yesterday and it fucking owns, so pay more attention to the songs not freely available on the a7x website."

Sorry that the songs that immediately caught my attention were on the site. But anyway, I think "Reminissions" is my favorite right now. There's not a bad song on here though.

-Forty

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

buddyhead sucks

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

The cutest little trend now with new bands and major labels, is to sign young bands, and instead of them sitting around for awhile doing nothing, they get them to put out fake indie albums? usually on their own fake indie labels, or perhaps any indie label willing to take a check under the table, and that way they can build up that ??indie cred? that ??money can??t buy? in an ??organic? way. Right. This is especially popular among many local L.A. bands of the moment who have played like? 5 shows, but are already living fat on the major label payroll. The funny part is that some of you idiot kids out there either can??t tell this is happening, or don??t care. Well here??s the thing, to all the bands that put out albums on independent labels cos there??s no other way to put out their records, and tour in vans cos that??s the only option there is, not cos it??ll make them look like ??troopers? in their major label debut??s one sheet, IT??S HUGELY FUCKING OFFENSIVE. FUCK OFF. So next time you hear about a band where somebody says, ??awwww, naw dude, they didn??t really sign with $8#2% Records, that??s just a rumor?, and then see full page ads in every magazine on the face of the planet for their ??independent? record, YOU ARE BEING FUCKING PLAYED.

-Buddyhead

Interesting Kevin11. Where did you ever think of that?

TahoeJeff (August 26, 2003)

I just discovered these guys for myself at furnace fest...they fucking blew me away..and this cd is incredible

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

This album is easily one of the best this year (Death By Stereo still own though...)!

I am really amzed by the songs "Remissions" and "I Won't See You Tonight part 1". Those songs are so epic it is incredible!

BUY THIS CD NOW!!!!!!!!

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

to the person who reviewed this cd:
how about reviewing more than just the songs everyone has heard. i got this cd yesterday and it fucking owns, so pay more attention to the songs not freely available on the a7x website.

Bryne (August 26, 2003)

Damn, I can't wait to get this in the mail.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

Actually change that.

...evildeadalive

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

These guys just keep getting better and better. Great fucking band. Great fucking album. I can't stop listening to it.

...evildeadalive

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

Kevin11 is a fucking retard who sucks donkey balls and eats poo-poo.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

second heartbeat fuckin rules. possibly the best song on the last hopeless records comp (although you can't forget AAA or weakerthans). i order this just 2 days ago. i can't wait to hear it.

Ramo

adamsocial (August 26, 2003)

They've already signed to Warner, as has My Chemical Romance. Good for them. Having lots of money to push great records is not a bad thing.

This record rocks, and sounds like a cross between In Flames, Queen, and what St. Anger SHOULD have sounded like.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

kevin 11 is the most despicable person on this whole site. all you ever talk about is selling out, and often judge music by its popularity or its standings on labels. go away.

this cd is great, and sounds nothing at all like godsmack. yes, it is metal. no, it is not very punk. but it is a very intense and heavy album that is technical in music and vicious in sound. the singer's screaming voice is just as violent as before, and his singing voice is far better in range and tone, not only reaching more difficult notes than before, but doing so in a more effective, gravelly metal-sounding voice. the guitar-work is also very talented and complex, with very fast strumming and fast solos. the drummer is outstanding as well, pumping out ridiculous fills and double bass drumming that is hard to touch.

i like it
-duped

Kevin11 (August 26, 2003)

This band sounds like Godsmack. But don't you fucking idiots know that they are already on a major? You're all being played, there is no way Hopeless is shelling out the kinds of ads for this that it is getting. EA sports sells songs on their games to the highest bidder, the higher the price, the more it is played, This band's single is the 3rd most played. Still think Hopeless isn't a tool? Hopeless would not pay that much for the single to be along side AFI, Alien Ant Farm and a ton of Nu Metal bands.

sk8punx4evr (August 26, 2003)

from the few songs i've heard, the singer's singing voice sounds like the guy from the stereo.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

I predict that they'll be signing to a major (Warner) within the next few months.

The few songs I've heard off of this one are pretty good.

Anonymous (August 26, 2003)

This is one of the best indie albums of 2003. No lie.

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