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Thursday: War All the TimeWar All the Time (2003)
Island Records

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As I write this, hurricane Isabel is bearing down on the east cost. It promises to bring thundering rainstorms, powerful gusts of wind, and coldly quiet interludes in the eye of the storm before the thundering resumes as it passes. And as the rain begins to fall, it seems oddly poetic to be wr.
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As I write this, hurricane Isabel is bearing down on the east cost. It promises to bring thundering rainstorms, powerful gusts of wind, and coldly quiet interludes in the eye of the storm before the thundering resumes as it passes. And as the rain begins to fall, it seems oddly poetic to be writing about Thursday's newest record War All The Time.

Without becoming too abstract, the record shares many parallels with the imminent storm; the barreling guitars, the immediacy of the lyrics, and the oft imitated but rarely matched vocals. The structure of the record also resembles the aforementioned storm; exploding into view with "For the Workforce, Drowning" and building into explosive energy, then suddenly crashing into the gentle "The Song Brought To You By a Falling Bomb."

As before, Thursday's most striking characteristic is Geoff Rickly's anguished wail; while many acts have dabbled in his vocal stylings, Thursday never allows it to turn into another rhythmic device, delivering genuine catharsis with every scream, something most of the Thursday imitators would be smart to remember.

After all, since their 2001 breakthrough, Full Collapse, the band has proven to be one of the most blatently copied acts around; while they certainly didn't invent the mixture of singing and screaming on that record, they certainly proved the most influential manipulators of it. Often forgotten was the strong songwriting, and excellent musicianship, which is probably why so many of the Thursday-lite's just didn't get it. The screaming was never the point. It wasn't about contrast, or a juxtaposition, or an irony. It was the emotional climax to the lyrical and musical content, and if you listen closely to a Thursday record, and their nuanced use of the sound, you can clearly hear what so many other bands are doing wrong.

I think Thursday was aware of the fact that their trademark dynamics was getting the attention instead of the songs themselves, and so the leap in songwriting prowess is apparent. In many of the tracks, things are more toned down, but the dynamic range is clearly larger. Take the first single "Signals Over the Air", it opens with a straightforward drum pattern; the clean guitars enter, accompanied by Geoff's whispering vocals. The song gradually builds into a heavy crescendo, before returning to the softness from before.

In the same vein is the likely crowd favourite "Asleep in the Chapel" which opens softly as so many Thursday songs do, but continues to grow, shifting back and forth from the bombast of the sing-scream interplay, and then hits a anthemic chorus. But many of the tracks veer sharply from the expected path; like "The Song Brought To You By a Falling Bomb", which has minimal vocals over a piano.

While the band is frequently lumped into the so-called "screamo" vein, there is very little in common with the maligned genre on this record; neither musically, nor lyrically. If you get past the "hook" of the band, you'll find emotionally complex, aggressive and forward moving music that you cannot miss.

 

 
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tmfxjohn (January 28, 2008)

excellent. only slightly less so than full collapse

Cpk (December 28, 2007)

amazing what a great band

Satelliteyrs (January 16, 2007)

awesome

Sirens (January 30, 2006)

Wow you people suck at life

this is thursdays best effort by far, its more mature than that angsty shit they put out before.

this isnt screamo... say screamo with me... city - of -caterpillar. thats real screamo. assholes.

fritobandito (November 17, 2005)

the comments here make me very sad to see how few kids actually know ANY of the history behind the screamo genre.

I mean, people actually said this band was an "early" screamo band and an "influence" on modern screamo.

Like....wow.

Ocram (October 11, 2005)

nowhere near as good as full collapse but thursday is the kind of band that stays constant with little changes here and there but stays where they should be

they deserve a 7 cause theyre kickass

benz (July 15, 2005)

I went back to my Thursday cd's after finding an old Thursday t-shirt in my room. However crazy and ridiculous the immitators and the whole shitty screamo thing gets, Thursday is still good. I feel that these guys actually mean it.

Somehow I just see them going more arty and abstract in the future. With any luck, Thursday will become the next Radiohead -- a band turned off by their own popularity.

-benz

HaFuckYouHa (September 1, 2004)

This was an awesome record. It wasn't as good as Full Collapse, but it was good nonetheless. "war all the time" and "for the workforce, drowning" were really awesome. My favorite song on the Cd would have to be "Signal over the Air"

titsandtats (June 24, 2004)

this album isnt as good as full collapse, but it has some good songs on it. i guess that makes me a "screamo" fan. whatever.

AlienF (June 20, 2004)

War All the Time isn't Full Collapse, but I still think it's a great album. Some songs just passed like wind though my ears (and that's why I did not rate 5 stars). The music itself do not describe the emotion as much as Full Collapse, but the lyrics are still amazing. I actually do wish that "This Song Brought to You by a Falling Bomb" was sang more emotionally in the album (because I can't help loving both the music and lyrics).

Anonymous (June 14, 2004)

you said they are poser punks, your sooo dumb. they left their old label partly because they wanted them to be more pop punk and punk. they are liek screamo, post hardcore sort of stuff.

Anonymous (May 27, 2004)

I have to almost completely agree with the person who wrote the previous review:

"i'm honestly very disappointed in this record. i wasnt a huge fan of FC, but i respected it. this record seems rehashed and trite. same loud/soft dynamics in every single song, same vocal patterns in every song, same bad screaming in every song....so much of that stuff that it seems monotone to me. and dont even get me started on that piano song...wow, thats bad. it coulda been an amazing piece of the record, but it comes off so contrived and powerless. i dunno, maybe i dont read enough bad highschool poetry to get into this..."

possibly with the exception of the highschool thing. I really liked all the songs from their first album and Full Collapse. They felt real, this feels so forced. Music comes from when you have an emotion... I can't see these guys hanging out, and honestly being compelled to write a song called "This song brough to you by a falling bomb". sad.

notfeelingcreative (March 2, 2004)

How are they poser punks? They're not even trying to be punk rock.

Anonymous (February 13, 2004)

fuck this band they suck, fucking poser punks

Matt81 (February 1, 2004)

i believe another band has already used a charles bukowski reference in their musical career, and that band is Hot Water Music. a band that completely destroys this band in about every way, shape or form. and i know that an album name and a band name are two different things, but they are both very significant aspects to any band, and HWM did it first.there have probably been other references to bukowski before HWM but i am drunk and i don't care, so fuck you.

Anonymous (November 24, 2003)

"MAN DID YOU HEAR THAT NEW ONE BY HURRICANE ISABEL? IT FUCKING ROCKED. I LIKE THAT ONE LINE WHERE IT'S ALL LIKE "WOOOOOOSH" AND SHIT"

hahahahahaha thats fucking great.

Anyways, this cd is kickass.

-c22

thursday_chick (November 12, 2003)

thursday is a good band and everyone has their opinions on things and thats cool. but i personally liked this cd and i dont know who the cure are but thats not my problem. if i heard of them i wouldnt compare them because each band has their own personal and individual sound and thats the best part of bands. their all unique. i think this cd is awesome, (not as good as full collapse)

Anonymous (October 2, 2003)

Waiting was good, but the recording was pretty average. I love "streaks in the Sky"

Anonymous (September 27, 2003)

This album is pretty good but Geoff's voice annoys me a little bit on this one. I personally enjoy his vocal styling on the first album "waiting". On another note anyone get the new On the Might Of Princes records?

NOFXPunkLTJ22 (September 26, 2003)

"Of course Thursday didnt invent screamo, but they are largely responsible for it breaking out, and they are a huge influence on any screamo band that has came out after them. Most of it sucks."

Isn't screamo supposed to have screaming in it?

boba_fett (September 25, 2003)

the more i listen to this cd the more i like it. its got something that full collapse doesnt have but at the same time full collapse has something this one doesnt have. i have to admit, this is one hella good cd.

notfeelingcreative (September 25, 2003)

You're right, they don't sound like the cure! They sound like Morrisey!!!

Anonymous (September 25, 2003)

"if you think thursday sounds like the cure, youre a fucking moron who's probably never actually LISTENED to the cure."

you're dumb. just because thursday doesn't sound like an 80's new wave pop rock band doesn't mean they don't clearly show Cure influences throughout their entire catalogue. the cure is one of the first bands i thought of when i heard thursday, and i am well versed in the cure's collection.

dignin (September 25, 2003)

"You must hate talented music than, because I know if i didn't like a band that was unbelievably musically and lyrically talented I would not disrespect them."

So do you listen to Yanni and Kenny G.? Both are talented artists but they both suck ass. Yeah the guys good at guitar, but its just rehashed metal, I like more creativity in guitar playing, rather then just relying on technical skill and metallica riffs. I dont give a shit how hard it is to play.

Of course Thursday didnt invent screamo, but they are largely responsible for it breaking out, and they are a huge influence on any screamo band that has came out after them. Most of it sucks.

Nonsense (September 24, 2003)

Even better than I thought it'd be.

NOFXPunkLTJ22 (September 24, 2003)

"and if thrice is so well read, then they should of stumbled on this book called, "Pop punk Mixed with Metal Sucks Ass""

You can shut your mouth.

You must hate talented music than, because I know if i didn't like a band that was unbelievably musically and lyrically talented I would not disrespect them.

And Don't compare thrice with thursday. They sound nothing alike.

Anonymous (September 24, 2003)

THURSDAY!!!!
everyone should buy this album....

Anonymous (September 24, 2003)

""We woke up this morning to a street filled with a thousand burning crosses and what we thought was the sunrise, just passing headlights". That lyric is the only one that even closely resembles your "the sky had no air..." Perhaps next time you should consider removing your head from your ass before you listen to a record. But hey, maybe the acoustics are really good in there."

listen to the song again bitch. if you actually listened to it you'd see that it says "we woke up this morning nad the sky had no air in it and..."

pay attention you fucking moron: get YOUR head out of your ass bitch.

-boba_fett

urthetragicloss (September 24, 2003)

**-_- TROGDOR the BURNINATOR -_-**

*sworded ***

**arrowed***

hahaha good stuff

Anonymous (September 24, 2003)

liked it more than full collapse. didnt like full collapse. some of the songs i love a lot, others i've learned to enjoy. but i can can only listen to it so much before it runs together. some of the lyrics are good. others, not so. 6 boners up.

urthetragicloss (September 24, 2003)

"if anyone can tell me what in the hell "the sky had no air in it" means, i'll give you a hundred bucks"

what happins when somthing burns smoke is given off and what does smoke do it replaces the air and if there are 1000 burning crosses there wont be much air

urs truely heidi

Anonymous (September 24, 2003)

hey, why talk all this shit. say if the album was good or not. THey don't sound like The Cure, They weren't the first "scremo" band, so shut the fuck up and listen to the record.

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

"We woke up this morning to a street filled with a thousand burning crosses and what we thought was the sunrise, just passing headlights". That lyric is the only one that even closely resembles your "the sky had no air..." Perhaps next time you should consider removing your head from your ass before you listen to a record. But hey, maybe the acoustics are really good in there.

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

i give this band a 10 for touring with thrice (best band to ever exist), and not sucking

boba_fett (September 23, 2003)

"if anyone can tell me what in the hell "the sky had no air in it" means, i'll give you a hundred bucks"

here's a hint: it probably means nothing. it just sounds cool. oh damn. i guess i lost a lot of karma because i like something that probably has no meaning.

damn damn damn.

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

I think 90% of the people on this website are retarded. this album kicks alot of ass...alot of ass...

thriceequalsgod (September 23, 2003)

"and i noticed that really far down, some dude said he hates 90% of "screamo" bands that came about through thursday's influence. if this kid honestly thinks thursday is the beginning of the "screamo" genre, he wins the award for most musically retarded person of 2003"

sorry. no. that title is a tie for any person who thinks the new story of the year album is good.

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

"i woke up one morning and the sky had no air in it and all the streets were filled with 1000 burning crosses"

if anyone can tell me what in the hell "the sky had no air in it" means, i'll give you a hundred bucks

Anonymous (September 23, 2003)

if you think thursday sounds like the cure, youre a fucking moron who's probably never actually LISTENED to the cure.

and i noticed that really far down, some dude said he hates 90% of "screamo" bands that came about through thursday's influence. if this kid honestly thinks thursday is the beginning of the "screamo" genre, he wins the award for most musically retarded person of 2003

boba_fett (September 23, 2003)

"i woke up one morning and the sky had no air in it and all the streets were filled with 1000 burning crosses"

or something along those lines. purely amazing. intense.

judo (September 23, 2003)

this was good.

but not as good as waiting or full collapse. the piano song was by far the best thing on the cd.

and the singer does have bad teeth. i mean, they are signed to island, you'd think they could hook geoff up with some braces.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

a lot of thursday in general sounds like The Cure.

turdcore92383 (September 22, 2003)

I really like this record. I think it's solid and much better than The Full Collapse. War All the Time makes better use of Rickley's vocals than the last record. Good stuff from a good band.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

Is it me, or does "Division St." remind anyone of the Cure?

-sickboi
(and not "Fascination St")

annonymous (September 22, 2003)

I heard a couple of songs off this cd and i thought they were just ok.... so i tried to dl some other ones, but most of the songs are decoys.... kind of weird because when i saw them at warped last year they told everyone to dl their cd's

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

chill man division st one of the best songs on the cd and so is war all the time ...didnt think much of the 1st one

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

this cd opens with an incredible song, "for the workforce,drowning.' from there,it goes downhill until after the terrible falling bomb song. when he wails his voice in that song i want to vomit. everything after that is ok. i agree with whoever said that they were dissapointed and expected things to be more like 'jet black new year'

i did too.

boba_fett (September 22, 2003)

**-_- TROGDOR the BURNINATOR -_-**

boba_fett (September 22, 2003)

"okay, boba fett's a dumbass....

yea, this is fuckin awesome, much better than full collapse. Anyone that thinks otherwise is retarted."

hahaha. oh man. i feel so mad!

full collapse was better and everyone knows it.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

Did anyone catch the part on the falling bomb song when geoff built up his voice to a very loud pitch and then it slowly faded away.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

This album is good but not as good as full collapse i like more the artist in the ambulance of thrice that this new thursday album.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

hey TheEvilMonkey ur full of shit haha u dont no anything about dyslexia yeah we have trouble reading and writing only because the right side of are braine is more developed then or left we are visual learners and we have better comprehension and we are more creative and we just think in a differnt way then others

and the history project shit hello the cover repersents feeling its elaberation or the words its not being graded by a 70 year old teacher its expressing them if they want to put blood and guns over the words they will its not even hard to read gessh

heidi

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

My caps button is broken.... Lucky for all of you-oldpunker-

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

Shite-oldpunker-

TheEvilMonkey (September 22, 2003)

To the guy two posts below me, if you're taking the time to actually type that out, you're girlfriend must be pretty damn ugly.

jheisel (September 22, 2003)

Although I could care less about this band, I thought it worth nothing that I had two straight-edge Moscow chicks at my apartment on Friday night who dug Thursday and were surprised when I told them the band was on a major. I guess news travels slowly. This score is for the hot chicks, with some points subtracted for them being edge.

Anonymous (September 22, 2003)

You kids crack me up. I can totally see little Bobby Jones at his computer, hands down his pants, huffing and puffing with a tear trickling down his cheek as he spends an hour getting fatter and defending his favorite "emo" band, Thursday. At the same time on the other side of the country, young Jim McGee is simply foaming at the mouth, equally intense in his defamation of said band, armed only with a bag full of the ever-so-articulate "suck asses" and "go to hells."

Meanwhile, all I can imagine is one side going "raaaaarrhhhh" and other other responding "waaaaaah" as I spend five minutes typing this message and thanking god that I just spent a day that started with a game of soccer in the park, followed by a quick bout of house cleaning, an hour or so with the latest issue of the New Yorker, a trip to the record store, diner at El Cancun, drinks with friends and finally ending with a passionate romp in the sack with my girlfriend.

So which side are you on? The "raaaarrhhhs," the "waaaaaahs" or the people that stopped reading this after the first line because they thought it was a complete waste of time and would much rather be having crazy sex with their significant other?

prankish (September 22, 2003)

"Without becoming too abstract, the record shares many parallels with the imminent storm; the barreling guitars, the immediacy of the lyrics, and the oft imitated but rarely matched vocals."

Yes, because all tropical storms are known for their barreling guitars, the immediacy of their lyrics, and oft imitated but rarely matched vocals.

"MAN DID YOU HEAR THAT NEW ONE BY HURRICANE ISABEL? IT FUCKING ROCKED. I LIKE THAT ONE LINE WHERE IT'S ALL LIKE "WOOOOOOSH" AND SHIT."

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

"and if thrice is so well read, then they should of stumbled on this book called, 'Pop punk Mixed with Metal Sucks Ass'"

AMEN

-duped

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

I consider it one of the best of the year.

ElVaquero (September 21, 2003)

kids these days are real dumb. ruin this site's reputation of being intelligent and shyat. wakka wakka. hula yo mamma.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

woowwoowoowowo you cannot possibly say that ur breaking heart man full collapse is a fucking master peice that will never be matched no doubt war all the time is a good record but u my frend are the retard

dignin (September 21, 2003)

and if thrice is so well read, then they should of stumbled on this book called, "Pop punk Mixed with Metal Sucks Ass"

dignin (September 21, 2003)

"Let's say I have a school projec to make a poster detailing information about various wars that go on in the world.

Would it make my poster better if I covered up all the text with pictures of blood and guns? Would I get a better grade because the pictures fit with my theme? No. If I put pictures of blood and guns AROUND my poster, it will enhance the poster, making it more attractive to an observer. If I cover up the text, I stop people from reading the information I assembled, which was the WHOLE POINT OF THE PROJECT."

Wait what school do Thursday go to? I think they go to mine cause I had the same project as them(end sarcasm) Your an idiot, this is not a school project for a history class, the cover art is ART, and if you cant read the lyric book your dumb as hell.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

okay, boba fett's a dumbass....

yea, this is fuckin awesome, much better than full collapse. Anyone that thinks otherwise is retarted.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

bullshit, who are you to say thursday isn't as well read as thrice. How can you possibly know?? Both groups seem very intelligent to me.

TheEvilMonkey (September 21, 2003)

Hey Heidi, you might have deep thoughts, and whether that's true or not, it doesn't really matter, because it sure as hell isn't caused by you having dyslexia. Dyslexia just prevents you from using the intelligence you have with reading and writing, it doesn't give you intelligence.

If you even actually have the disease, learn what it is before you go telling people about it.

boba_fett (September 21, 2003)

i like full collapse more because it was better.
thats not an opinion. its a fact. get used to it.
i'm not knocking this album, its great, but it doesnt compare to full collapse.

*-_- TROGDOR the BURNINATOR -_-*

themuffingirl (September 21, 2003)

i like this album, better than full collapse, i like the change, donno, just do. u should get it u

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

I think Thrice is a group of intelligent, well-read, and generous individuals... while Thursday is a group of self-pitying bastards. The only guy I like is the 30-something guy who is always ignored in videos, interviews, and promo pictures. I think he is the lead guitarist. Anyway, he rocks. The rest of the band blows cock.

I do feel sorry for that old guy who is ignored though... just because he doesn't fit the "emo" stereotype...

TheEvilMonkey (September 21, 2003)

And hey, why should I have to go online to get the lyrics? What the hell is the point of having a lyrics booklet then?

And the resaon you can read most of this booklet in particular is because it's not one of the worse cases of this particular brand of album art. I was really trying to talk about the practice of this style of art on lyrics page, and that in some cases it is unreadable.

And I know a lot of people do this, so let me just get it out of the way-

Take the extra second to type out the "yo" in "you". I'm not your mother, and I'm not your grammar/english teacher, but it looks stupid with just one letter. I hope people agree with me because this has gotten way out of hand.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

"well evil monkey- have u ever considered the fact u can get the words online just as good and they didnt cover it all its still read able they jsut put a line through a few words big deal u must be blind i can read it fine "

Speak english.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

Best hurricane CD: Alkaline Trio - Maybe I'll Catch fire. It's a great CD to be really bored to.

That said, does the song War All The Time kind of piss people off? Just throw in a crapload of effects until it doesn't sound like their song anymore and THAT's the final song? I had the same problem with Artist in the Ambulance.

And...Conversation topic: did Full Collapse change the state of emo? I would certainly say so. It went from like Promise Ring to From Autumn To Ashes

TheProblemWithFire (September 21, 2003)

I can't say this is a bad CD. I can't say it's the greatest either. I guess I was expecting more...

I am glad they did something they wanted to do, without it sucking ass. No, they didn't do as much screaming and stuff, but who cares? It's a solid release. Geoff still writes some great lyrics and the music doesn't suck. I guess I was expecting something more along the lines of 'Jet Black New Year' from the EP.

I think the more and more I listen to this, I will find more things about it that I love.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

well evil monkey- have u ever considered the fact u can get the words online just as good and they didnt cover it all its still read able they jsut put a line through a few words big deal u must be blind i can read it fine

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

I love to ROCK out to the new Thursday & Thrice while I'm at my pilates class!

Screamo stole my virginity....

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

suck shit

TheEvilMonkey (September 21, 2003)

"And there is no such thing as the best album of 2003, it's called an opinion."

Move over, Einstein!

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

this is awful.

and there is no such thing as the best album of 2003, it's called an opinion.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

war all the time is a good cd, not great. i still think this side of brightness is the best thursday song, it got me hooked.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

"Well, thank god you settled that.

-Justin"

you're welcome.

-Trogdor the Burninator

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

Atticus Finch was a relatively good character in a solid novel written for 12 year olds. But that is it. The book is overrated. It is not a classic novel. Just a classic children's novel.

TheEvilMonkey (September 21, 2003)

Hey Heidi, consider this:

Let's say I have a school projec to make a poster detailing information about various wars that go on in the world.

Would it make my poster better if I covered up all the text with pictures of blood and guns? Would I get a better grade because the pictures fit with my theme? No. If I put pictures of blood and guns AROUND my poster, it will enhance the poster, making it more attractive to an observer. If I cover up the text, I stop people from reading the information I assembled, which was the WHOLE POINT OF THE PROJECT.

And we who complain about album art never said it was a bad album- so don't jump the gun.

CallingLondon (September 21, 2003)

"I'm guess Im the only person in the world who isn't amazed by this band. Granted, I like a few songs, but I'm not ready to give them my first born or anything."

yeah, i'm with you.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

Well, thank god you settled that.

-Justin

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

okay i'll settle this:

atticus, justin and heidi are all really dumb.

and who made scott the dolly-lamma of spelling?

MikeRiot (September 21, 2003)

atticus is a great name. one of the best literary characters of all time.

AlbertFreddyIngram (September 21, 2003)

Ya leave the poor kid alone, he no's what he is talking about.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

i was in the hurricane and i listinied to thish cd the whole time it really connected to what was happining out side great cd

sam

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

yeah um ok i cant spell its not my fault im dyslexic its a disorder i cant help it but because im dyslexic i have deeper thought and i can compreend better then most

-heidi

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

not really just cause my name is atticus dosnt mean shit its not my fault my mom named me that the point is i no what im talking about

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

The only good thing about this album is the cover art.

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

Just because that guy's "name" is atticus trent, it totally invalidates everything he said.

-Justin

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

"alot of u people"

It's "A LOT" -- Two words.

It's "Y-O-U" -- Not that hard.

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(Bahzing!)

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

i really enjoy the fact that thursday kept there style unlike alot of sell outs that compleatly change there style of playing to fit the crowd. i also really like the fact that thursday left record companys to not be sell outs they jsut want to play there not worryed about the money but sharing with the world what they have to say i relaly liek that in a band and these days thats rare. full collapes was a majorly kick ass album and its message is differnt from this album but very close in style one thing i dont like about this album though is the ryhthem is a bit off but still a great album

atticus trent

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

oh yeah and emo is a fad to the posers but emo- emotinal music is suposed to relate to u! for us emo kids its who we are, its how we relate to the music
-heidi

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

this cd was amazing my fav cd just for all the stupid people that are complaing about not being able to read the words u guys dont get the point of the cd teh whole blacking out of words and crossing it out its all symbolizem all chaos it all works into the theme of war the font size shows loudness and such

u people that think it sucks well u have to really get into the words to understand it i guess

i say once i agn this cd kicks ass

-heidi

alot of u people

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

first!

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

emo its a fad. . .get over it

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

but Redline! is the shit.

ElVaquero (September 21, 2003)

poison idea is actually just terrible

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

I actually hate this band and was only listening to it because my friend happens to love this band. I bought it today becuase last night I realized they don't suck as much as I thought they did....Deja Entendu is still my favorite CD

Anonymous (September 21, 2003)

Who's the hack at Island who signs all these overrrated bands? Thursday, Thrice, Autopilot Off etc..

Good Luck!

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

Poison Idea>>>>Thursday

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

So... when is there going to be a review of Kid Dynamite's new album of older stuff plus DVD "Cheap Shots, Youth Anthems?"

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

I have jumped on the Full Collapse bandwagon last year and adored it. It was my audio bible. That being said, I had ho-hum expectations for WATT. Don't get me wrong, I didn't think that it was going to be bad, but I knew it wouldn't even touch Full Collapse.

Needless to say, I was right.

That's not to say that this album sucked, it was great, amazing, but no masterpiece. They start off with a bang in For The Workforce, Drowning, and it continues until after War All The Time (except for Signals Over The Air and Marches And Maneuvers), but the last two tracks were duds, and not the way I wanted the album to end. Look at Full Collapse... their second to last song, How Long Is The Night, was so powerful.

"I'm falling down, I'm falling down, and you're not here to break my fall. I shut my eyes when you're around. I hold my breath to kill the sound (of your voice)."

I'm sorry if the lyrics aren't exact, but it ended with me saying "Woah...", and then the ambience-type music as the last track, much like the last track of Waiting, "Where The Circle Ends", which felt like the music you hear from film movie theatre when the credits begin to roll.

I didn't need the melodic-ambience music. If they did it, they would just be copying the formulas of their first to albums, but I wanted something to end it off that will leave me with my jaw dropped.

All in all, definately buy this album, no question about it, just don't expect Full Collapse: Part 2.

- Rob
http://youthsuicide.fateback.com/ys

TheEvilMonkey (September 20, 2003)

And El Vaquero, Finch actually writes some pretty damn good lyrics. For example:

"I'm writing again, these letters to you"

Wow. That's deep. Really deep.

LoL.

TheEvilMonkey (September 20, 2003)

How about Less Than Jake's artwork for Anthem? Wonderful artwork, easy to read lyrics. People saw that album and fucking loved the art, and no one complained about the absence (I'm out of it right now, did I spell that right?) of fake eraser marks.

And if the same people did Thursday's and AFI's artwork, those people really need to come up with new ideas for cd art.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

Fuck "Against Me", The Mars Volta owns the Album of the Year.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

i love how you kids call a cd "the best cd of 2003" even though the year is not over. it cracks me up. I remember you kids called Revolutions per minute the best this year; does any still think so?

PS: you have yet to hear Against Me!'s newest, so i wouldn't go naming bests of the year quite yet.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

I agree with this review: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Anuoibkd9sak0

Goo d album, but it'll get old fast.

AlbertFreddyIngram (September 20, 2003)

.shit.

AlbertFreddyIngram (September 20, 2003)

Hey evil monkey man and anonymously posted person RE the art work. Both these cds have the same art direction design illistration company group inc. people, and ya very simular i thought the same thing that it looked like AFIs CD when i first opened this up. FUCKING GREAT.

-ALfred

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

okay, as someone who does album artwork for bands, i feel the need to comment on the whole reading lyrics thing.

i for one think the art is amazing. one may notice similarities to AFI because the SAME PEOPLE DID IT. just read "artwork done by..." and it's morning breath, inc.

yes, there are parts where you have to strain to read the lyrics, but if it's not worth it to you, then don't. if everything were so blatant and plain, then artwork for albums would be pretty boring. i think the packaging for this album, thrices artist in the ambulance and afi's special edition are among the top albums of the year as far as artwork is concerned.

yes, the finch album artwork sucked, but then again, there weren't too many meaningful lyrics there that needed to be read anyways.

Imposs1ble (September 20, 2003)

thursgay.

somebody had to say it. great cd, pick it up!

Let's hear it for 'American Dad.'

ElVaquero (September 20, 2003)

yes, but who actually wants to read finch's lyrics?

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

too much fucking reverb on that ayotte snare drum!!!!

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

thursday sucks, im seeing enon and the apes tonight

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

sixty fifth!!!

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

This record is magical.

relay1112 (September 20, 2003)

Call me jaded, but I just think it's alright. It all bleeds together and ends up being boring for me.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't get this band.

-Justin

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

FIRST!!

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

to the guy below me... Finch did that too with What It Is To Burn, you cant read half the lyrics and it pisses me off... but anyways this album is really good, but my favorite Thursday album is still Waiting

TheEvilMonkey (September 20, 2003)

To the guy three posts below, the spilled blood and randomly highlighted words and randomly capitalized words is not a new thing at all, and AFI certainly did not come up with the idea. This is oldest and worst trick in the book, even though I love this album. I love the artwork, I love the music, but the lyrics pages are stupid.

What the hell is the point of having lyrics to be read if you have to strain yourself to read them sometimes? Why are half of the words blocked off? If you didn't want me to know the lyrics, why don't you just not put them on the album.

Like I said, this is an oft-copied formula for album booklets, and it should be stopped immediately. I don't mind really cool artwork, as long as it doesn't get in the way of actually being able to read the booklet.

Just an example of another band that does it- Thrice's Illusion Of Safety booklet is stupidly hard to read. Big white cross outs on the page, blocking half of the words. Not that this also wasn't an amazing album.

You get my point.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

I wouldn't put it in on the same platter as "Full Collapse", but "War All the Time" sure does hold its own. I was a little surprised by the changes in Geoff's singing: there are far fewer screams overall, but the lyrical content is second to none.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

are they still the most emotional band on the planet!??!?!

watered down rock rules.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

personnaly i prefer Full Collapse over this. this is definitely a great cd but just not as good as Full Collapse. after hearing "For The Workforce, Drowning", i thought that they were trying to hard to have abstract lyrics. most of the album feels that way to me but i still like it a hella lot.

by the way... does anybody besides me see a very large resemblance between the interior of this cd jacket and that of the afi sing the sorrow one? you know with all the weird highliting and putting stuff in bold and the spilled blood look and the wierd lines and faded pictures? uncanny too me. smells like thursday ripped somebody else off for a change instead of being ripped off of.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

My favourite songs off War all the Time have to be "Anywhere with You" and "Driving in the Dark." Both such emotional tunes. Geoff's voice, albeit high, is just perfect.. oh wait. tee hee i was naughty

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

The art work is amazing.

I currently have one of their Desktop Wallpapers set on my computer. It's just some excellent eye candy.

Where's my lithograph?

- Scott
http://www.local-felons.com/
(Family Guy > You)

thefirstfive (September 20, 2003)

the scariest moment of my life was driving in 20in rain fall on the interstate skidding around and hyrdoplaning listening to "Understanding in a Car Crash." That song still freaks me out.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

sorry that link was from me

-duped ( i should just make an account, but i'm lazy)

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

http://www.mis-one.com/videos/Scenesucks.mov

probably the funniest movie ever

MikeRiot (September 20, 2003)

Streetcore drops oct 21. That will be the best album of the year.

StratManX (September 20, 2003)

I think this album was much better than Deja Entendu and as much as I like De-loused In The Comatorium, it just doesn't have the same appeal as a record that you can listen to over and over. Very well done in my opinion. Is it just me or is the use of Broken Glass in "screamo" (I fuckin hate that word) lyrics, more essential than the screaming? I can't count how many times it's been used...that and car crashes, they kinda go hand in hand.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

how can brand new be a contender for best cd? have we forgotten about death by stereo, rise against, the weakerthans, mars volta? i mean, deja entendu was way better than that generic poppunk crap that everyone worshipped for some reason on their last cd, but it isn't that special...

-duped

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

Geoff rickley lured me into his bus at warped tour last year with the promise of meeting taking back sunday. He tried to rape me.

- Mike

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

i am really digging this. I think its definetly up there for best of the year, although I don't enjoy it as much as Hot Damn! or Deja Entendu and some others...and Coheed and Cambria is gonna knock them all down a notch when their new cd comes out (yea, now bring on the hate)
still, a great album.

-benz

sickboi (September 20, 2003)

Ahhhh.....just got my cable back....fucking Isabel, 95% of Richmond still has no power...anywho, I used to really dislike this group, I think this album changed my mind, good stuff.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

ok this has become my favorite cd very quickly but for some reason asleep in the chapel doesnt do it for me. maybe it hasnt sunk in yet but i still think this is the best cd of the year. it knocked ETID's Hot DAmn to number 2

WackyWabbit (September 20, 2003)

damn good cd, i like full collapse more but this one is just too damn good.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

Best album of 2003.
arno

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

at first full colapse, in my opinion, was a good record. not great but good. i knew this band was gonna have hype the first time i receive their promo in 2001 but through time i thought it was a lil too much. i heard war all the time and it's safe to say it's a pretty good record. i like the beginning tracks like division st., for the work force, drowning to name a few. overall, it won't make me a huge thursday fan but this one seems like it's better than their last effort.

Ramo

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

at first full colapse, in my opinion, was a good record. not great but good. i knew this band was gonna have hype the first time i receive their promo in 2001 but through time i thought it was a lil too much. i heard war all the time and it's safe to say it's a pretty good record. i like the beginning tracks like division st., for the work force, drowning to name a few. overall, it won't make me a huge thursday fan but this one seems like it's better than their last effort.

FatTony (September 20, 2003)

This album is fucking amazing, hands down, second only to the RxBandits disc for the year. But when all is said and done, this has just been an amazing year for music.

TheMarc (September 20, 2003)

Yes, this album is one of the best in recent memory, but the real question remains unanswered:

What does WussEmoRock think?!??!

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

i saw thursday this past monday. they played nothing from waiting(big disappointment). they played 7 songs from full collapse. probably around 5 from war all the time. and they played jet black new year. it was still a great show though. the new stuff is absoutely great live. especially "this song is brought to you by a falling bomb".

-greyicewater

adam (September 20, 2003)

I'd like to vouch for that fact. I'd wager about 85% of my reviews feature the word juxtapose in some form, even if it isn't warranted. I love it.

-adam

8dollarclarinetsolo (September 20, 2003)

i think most people know what juxtaposition is... maybe youre the only one whom it is too big for...

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

Yeah, I liked this album better when it was called "Full Collapse." Seriously, with the cash that a major label can provide you can do one of two things:

1) Become even greater
2) Release a complete re-hash of the same album you've already done a few years ago. Maybe add a keyboard or string instrument or two.

I liked FC, but this was like the same shit. Yeah, it's good, but as far as lasting effect, it has nothing. This CD will entertain me for maybe 3 weeks tops. Sorry, but this album was a let down in many ways. I want to see proof as to why these guys got signed to Island, not just the same shit they did before.

There is no excuse.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

"juxtaposition"
wow! looks like someone discovered a thesaurus.

Anonymous (September 20, 2003)

this cd is just a great cd all around.... great song writing, great guitar parts, and its definetely in my top 5 at least... others may include rx bandits, thrice, brand new, and uhhh ill think about it.

Manman (September 20, 2003)

Wow, Thursday did it again. They managed to make me gag. This stuff is for wussy MTV-"punks." In all truthfulness, this CD is equivalent to genital herpes with some massive itch-powder problems.

inagreendase (September 20, 2003)

ok, fair enough.

the rx bandits cd is at the top of a lot of people's lists, understandably so...i just felt the blatant disorganization (some of them really were jam sessions) hurt it, still a cool disc.

has anyone seen thursday live lately? how balanced is their set between albums?

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

no no no. i wasn't bashing you greendase. i was just curious. i remember reading some other review you posted on and i couldn't think of which one it was. brand new's cd is also in my top 3, but rx bandits is my #1. don't really care for a static lullaby myself-but to each his own.

_911 (September 19, 2003)

2nd best cd of the year.. very very impressed with it being on a major and all.. i still think rise against has the best cd of the year.. can't wait to see them with death by stereo on wed..

aubin (September 19, 2003)

In regards to people to spoke about the 'fire' theme on the record, when I made the comparison to the storm, I was speaking more in more of a musical dynamics sense than a lyrical one.

inagreendase (September 19, 2003)

a static lullaby (sorry but i don't think pmfs managed to perfect it like they do), brandnew, this. if you want to talk further just im me.

there was a comment on one of the reviews, i forget specifically which one, that put it best when it said "top 10 lists are just people's personal preference..it's an opinion, don't be offended when it doesn't match yours"

seriously though, if you feel the need to bash me just im me w/ it so it's more direct.

SockMonkeyRiot (September 19, 2003)

Very good cd, I love "For The Workforce, Drowning". I think it's a better cd than Full Collapse but doesn't have their best song ("Paris In Flames")

TheEvilMonkey (September 19, 2003)

Hey, did anybody notice that the acronym for War All The Time is WATT?

I sure hope you didn't, because it doesn't mean anything.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

hey greendase, i was wondering what your top 3 were.

timis (September 19, 2003)

this cd flatout rules...best work to date. one of the better albums i have heard in years.

inagreendase (September 19, 2003)

thank you

ElVaquero (September 19, 2003)

first off.. i think the "your band isn't better than them so you can have no critical argument" rehash is more annoying than the whole first trend. honestly, how the fuck can you see that as valid?

and next... not as a response to recent comments, but i was half-asleep and listening to "asleep in the chapel" and i was reminded of something. geoff rickly is a smart dude, he is fucking well-read, as are all the folks in the band (talented as fuck, too). in my opinion, he is one of the better songwriters currently composing lyrics right now... he knows his way around a theme (fire, rain) and unlike "bad highschool poetry" he can use literary devices without making himself out to be a pretentious dumbass. go team poetry.

-el vaquero

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

i'm honestly very disappointed in this record. i wasnt a huge fan of FC, but i respected it. this record seems rehashed and trite. same loud/soft dynamics in every single song, same vocal patterns in every song, same bad screaming in every song....so much of that stuff that it seems monotone to me. and dont even get me started on that piano song...wow, thats bad. it coulda been an amazing piece of the record, but it comes off so contrived and powerless. i dunno, maybe i dont read enough bad highschool poetry to get into this...

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

"thrice on jimmy kimmel yesterday sucked by the way, i hope their real live performance is more exciting than that, even though i doubt it is, cause that was lame.

the song was pretty good though and they played it well, just without much emotion...."

The next time you play a song on national television, we'll judge you on how well you play it.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

I submitted a review on this album, and I must say that it was put to shame by this masterpiece by Aubin.

However, to sum up my opinion of this CD, I think musically it is certainly an improvement over Full Collapse, on the other hand, I really feel that some of the lyrics on this album are subpar compared to their previous. I mean, when reading the lyrics of 'Autobiography of a Nation' or 'Concealer' or 'Hole in the world' -- it absolutely brings a shiver to my spine.

It seems like the lyrics on this album went down a really bizarre path to abstractness and fancy wording, whereas Full Collapse had simple, but effective lyrics.

I also really felt that the lyrics had to be forced a little to fit properly with the music. Example in M Shepard "we don't have to be afraid anymore" just doesn't sound right to me. I could be just being picky, but it's little things like this that keep the CD from being a 10 in my book.

Other than that, this is a totally rockin' album, and I would expect no less from Thursday.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

best cd ever.

well... no. but it is the best cd to come out in the past 2 years.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

thrice on jimmy kimmel yesterday sucked by the way, i hope their real live performance is more exciting than that, even though i doubt it is, cause that was lame.

the song was pretty good though and they played it well, just without much emotion....

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

i think i agree that full collapse was better, i like this a lot but there are more memorable moments in full collapse. my favorite song on the new one odly enough is the first single signals over the air... such a good song.

i think it's weird that people can like this one and not like full collapse, they are very much in the same vein.

also i think that it was kind of a disapointment that they didn't have more songs like jet black new year, which is a song i didn't even really like that much but i think that it's quite different from what they do on a regurlar basis and i think it would have made a more complete and varied release.

inagreendase (September 19, 2003)

They've got my first born. I never really liked Full Collapse much at all; I think this one is twice as good (FC being a 2-star album). There are so many lines that I read to myself and I have to stop and stare into space because it's so fucking mindblowing.

"Freeze the frame
Between the gun shot and the hole it makes.
A spinning bullet waits in the middle.
There's no way to stop it,
Tt will surely hit the mark."

...I honestly think this is one of the most well-written albums, ever.

"Is it just me, or does Thursday love singing about phospors? I mean, I like phospors all right, but, Thursday- man, those guys are hooked."

YES! I found it terribly ironic Aubin chose to draw a parallel with the hurricane to this album, considering this immensely consistent theme in light and fire throughout the WHOLE album. It was like you could argue that this was a concept album based on fire and get away with it.

Top 3 this year, at least.

FortyMinutesWest (September 19, 2003)

I'm guess Im the only person in the world who isn't amazed by this band. Granted, I like a few songs, but I'm not ready to give them my first born or anything.

501 (September 19, 2003)

Im a fan boy.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

Full Collapse might be the most engrossing album I've listened to. There were numerous nights where I'd just sit in bed, maybe curl up into a ball, and listen to it the whole way through. While I sound like a fanboy right now, one of those kids that only listens to like 3 bands, I can assure you I'm not. Full Collapse was just that fucking crazy.

That said, War All The Time kicks ass, but I can't see the same thing happening with this. Full Collapse had a thin sound to it that really kind of worked to its advantage. It was like the lack of music was music too. This is just well written songs, no magic to it. It's a great album to listen to, but it's not incredible

adam (September 19, 2003)

I like this and I'm not sure why. I'm one of the few that HATED "Full Collapse," so I'm suprised that I find myself liking this. I think I'm just biased against this "screamo" genre because 90% of the bands "inspired" by Thursday are absolutely horrible.

-adam

jwinter (September 19, 2003)

Good review. I was not that big of a fan of Full Collapse and am really hooked on the new CD. Geoff really seems to spills his guts moreso here than on past albums. The only reason I don't give it a higher score is that some of the songs really sound alike. They kind of bleed together, and that caused it to lose my attention sometimes. Otherwise, excellent with a nice fresh sound, hopefully they enjoy some success with this release.

TheEvilMonkey (September 19, 2003)

ElVaquero, man, I totally agree with your assessment of this cd- however, I think a record that is filled with songs you can enjoy still is a great record- it's not what I thought Full Collapse was, but I don't think it would be fair to call this a dissapointment, because the style has been tweaked a bit.

I think what confuses me is that Thursday came out and said that this album is going to carry a lot more of the vibes we got from "Jet Black", and I don't really see that here.

Still a great cd, nonetheless.

Is it just me, or does Thursday love singing about phospors? I mean, I like phospors all right, but, Thursday- man, those guys are hooked.

And a day without corn pops cereal is like a day without a skateboard- or at least that's what the nice man on the television told me.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

Hey dude below. Is that Rx Bandits album really that good? I saw them live about a month ago, and although they may not be everyones glass of rye, I loved em'. From a musicians standpoint alone I dug em'. Thats cool that someone dropped the bandits for record of the year. I will check it out on that note then.

Barkley

p.s check out the lawrence arms "Greatest Story Ever told" for me

P.P.S

Believe or not I don't even know the Lawrence Arms, although I should.

TheEvilMonkey (September 19, 2003)

Besides the fact that this is a beautifully written cd, any band that writes a song about Matthew Shepard deserves five stars. Regardless of quality.

ElVaquero (September 19, 2003)

Opinion: I'm very split on this disc.... on the one hand, it's fucking fantastic, on the other, it doesn't even compare to Full Collapse. Let me explain: there are like 5 or 6 "holy shit" songs on this album, but for Full Collapse, every single song was a "holy shit" song in it's own way... Songs I don't think are up to snuff with the others on this album: "Between Rupture And Rapture," "Steps Ascending," "M. Shepard," and "Tomorrow I'll Be You." Please someone argue with me, even after listening to the album 15 times, I just don'g think these ones are as great as the rest, though "For The Workforce Drowning" is easily in their Top 5. And after "Jet Black New Year," which I would say is their strongest song, I was expecting a lot more from this album. Not that I'm dissapointed, like I said, it's a fucking great piece of work... it's just not classic, which is what I've begun to expect from this band. I like that they named it after a Charles Bukowski book, that man is my hero.

-El Vaquero

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

geoffs teeth are british bad in the video, someone get him some dental surgery.

I didn't get what most people were so gung ho about when full collapse cured cancer, and still haven't listened to it more then a few times, but I really like this record, though after awhile a little more variety in "steps ascending" and "asleep in the chapel" (which starts off so promising) would have been nice.

The first 5 tracks are gold, as is the title track, and the last one. The piano interlude in "...brought to you.." is a nice break, and M.Shepard like steps ascending could have been a little more different musically than all the other songs even though they are all strong.

Thursday is the only major label posthardcore act (of thrice, recover, autumn to ashes, poison the well, etc., nasueum) I thought had shown more than some reissued rereleased, slew of EP's, only one LP moxie. I thought they would actually be able to pull it off, and they did. Good job.

wyzo

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

nice succinct review.
this cd will undoubtedly be in my top 5 at the end of the year. in fact, i'm pretty sure it is the 2nd best one after The Resignation.

Anonymous (September 19, 2003)

awesome band. awesome cd.

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