So what ever happened to the Inuetero CD? how come that isn't on the CD list?

Nirvana were so punk rock. I heard on MTV's 25 greatest albums of the last 25 years that Nirvana brought punk rock to America. THAT GUY WAS SO RIGHT! Without Nirvana we wouldnt have other punk artists like Avril Lavigne and Ashlee Simpson. Ashlee and Avril totally brought punk into the mainstream after Nirvana.

PUNX NOT DE@D

"If it weren't for Nirvana, we wouldn't have _________."

I defy you to fill in that blank with something positive.

-Thinker-

BSD is a sack of shit

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 at 8:26 AM (EST)
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I had never heard "Do Re Mi" and "Old Age" before and they are fucking awesome. And good DVD too btw. It's cool to hear and watch this early version of "Smells like teen spirit". People can say anything they want about it, this song has changed the world of rock music forever.

-CaliforniaÜberAlles-

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-14 20:46:31
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"" If you really are 16, BSD, you might not remember those days."

Or maybe I just have never read SPIN... Or interviews with Blink 182.

And neither of those speak for the underground, anyway.

-BSD"

Sticking your head in the sand isn't particularly punk rock, and neither is liking the Beatles for that matter. I didn't think you were trying to be too pure. Whatever duuuuuuuuuuude.

--Cos

Posted by DestroyPopRadio on 2004-12-14 17:02:38
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"Its not talked about much anymore, as Fugazi's star has faded a bit, they're more willing to give interviews, they don't tour as much, and we're all much more concerned with whether the Strokes/Hives/Interpol, et al. are legitimately cool or just more product of ridiculous hype by an overzealous English press."

If Joy Division took a crap, it would be Interpol. They have three good songs and they all start with single note guitar string riffs and sound like the singer has severe voice immodulation problems. But back to Nirvana and Courtney:

Did everyone hear about that show where the audience threw shotgun shells onstage at Courtney a few years back? She probably thought, "What a waste....I could've used these back in the day."

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 1:38 PM (EST)
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Ha, Ha, Ha!

Money for Courtney Love's coke habit?!

How about money for Courtney Love's legal defense fund?! That coked-up, crazed bitch is going to kill someone sooner or later...

Fabian Nunez
Speaker
California State Assembly

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 8:20 AM (EST)
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"somebody's gonna get lots of money...sure not us"

It goes straight into the velvet lined pockets of Courtney's crack dealer/pimp.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 2:57 AM (EST)
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Or maybe I just have never read SPIN... Or interviews with Blink 182.

And neither of those speak for the underground, anyway.

-BSD
-neither do you so shuit the fuck up!

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 14, 2004 at 2:55 AM (EST)
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Im more offended by the fact that spin would talk shit on Fugazi then this boxset. No one should talk shit about fugazi. The blink thing will not be commented on for the good of myself and all others reading.

Nirvana is good. Its as simple as that for me. Didnt change my life...(that goes to Green Day, which could be related back to Nirvana, but the point is that Nirvanas sound didnt grab me then, Green Days did) but a good honest hard working band. Kurt was a heroine addict kids, which makes him pretty scummy in my opinion, but he wrote some good songs.

Id buy this I guess....but not before i bought all of Fugazi and Green Days back collection.

GreenVandal! representin the kids of 1983

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 13, 2004 at 4:43 PM (EST)
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" If you really are 16, BSD, you might not remember those days."

Or maybe I just have never read SPIN... Or interviews with Blink 182.

And neither of those speak for the underground, anyway.

-BSD

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-13 14:31:19
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Spin was talking a lot of shit during the whole grunge/Green Day-Offspring punk explosion in the 90's. They practically deemed Fugazi their whipping boy--the cool kid that didn't want to be interviewed, so they slammed them instead. They were brought up a few times in counterpoint to Nirvana's success and willingness to sign and bring the music to "the masses". Blink-182 talked some shit sometime around 99/00, calling their concert pricing ethics "stupid". If you really are 16, BSD, you might not remember those days.

Its not talked about much anymore, as Fugazi's star has faded a bit, they're more willing to give interviews, they don't tour as much, and we're all much more concerned with whether the Strokes/Hives/Interpol, et al. are legitimately cool or just more product of ridiculous hype by an overzealous English press.

--Cos

Posted by Anonymous on Monday, December 13, 2004 at 10:03 AM (EST)
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somebody's gonna get lots of money...sure not us

Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, December 12, 2004 at 3:25 AM (EST)
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moldy---
alright, the rancid song was a mediocre example, ill give ya that. i just happened to be listening to that album that day. as for your argument....well, some of it might be a bit of a stretch, but i see where youre comin from. point taken.

---Xis

Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, December 11, 2004 at 12:56 PM (EST)
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i cant stand how everything written about nirvana on the internet (that i see, anyway) instantly becomes an argument about whether they were overrated or not. you dont have to like the songs, the beauty of nirvana was that they became the biggest band in the world and were, largely, a noisy, discordant band. and they had the balls to get even noisier and more discordant and raw AFTER becoming the biggest band in the world instead of just churning out more pop songs like "teen spirit." of course they werent totally original- no band is. bleach owes a whole lot to the melvins and mudhoney and nevermind should give the pixies co-writing credits. it doesnt mean there arent good songs on them. and with in utero, they DID create something new from all their influences. but the arguing is getting no one anywhere. and i guarantee that nirvana changed an entire youth culture more than anyone commenting on this site had.

sorry to go on such a rant. it couldve been longer haha. very, very good review. it summed up a lot of what i think about this set very eloquently. good job.

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 10, 2004 at 7:47 AM (EST)
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"Sure, a lot bands never made it, but I think Fugazi are one of the only bands to turn down million dollar offers and catch shit for it (NOFX may have turned down big offers, but they never got nearly as much shit for being elitist as Fugazi)."

Where do you read this? The only shit related to their ethics I see them catch is that they now limit themselves touring...

-BSD

Posted by moldy on 2004-12-10 01:49:17
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To xis-

If your trying to say people who live in smaller and rural areas can't relate to punk music why pick a rancid song? Arn't there at least a hundred better bands with better songs about city life Fear's "I Love Livin' in the City" would have probably been my first choice.

But punk isn't all about the urban plight many deal with the attitudes and feelings of people that are usually different from the mainstream society and feel alienated. For instance Minor Threat, couldn't somebody from a rural area feel the same way about drinking, being betrayed or wanting/needing to stand with friends to avoid being beaten? (straight edge, out of step, stand up, look back and laugh) I think many of those songs could easily be understood by anyone espically a punker or just an alienated person living in a smaller town.

And can't the political themes of the Dead Kennedys be understood by anyone who is interested in politics, I sure not many of us on this site were old enough to be concerned about politics during reagans time which was when DK was around but arn't many of the messages universal and even apply just as much now as the did back then (Stars and Stripes of Corruption).

Same can be said with many bands such as Black Flag (jealous again, nervous breakdown, i've heard it before, damaged), or Bad Religion (part 3, voice of god is government, fuck armageddon(only one line specifically points to urban life "smog is ruining my lungs", but rural areas are still affected by pollution so it could be interperated in many ways)), Social Distoriton (ball and chain, moral threat, on my nerves), TSOL (sounds of laughter, code blue) and the list goes on.

But back to the band that started this rant Nirvana sang mostly about alienation and depression, very universal feelings for those of us who think different. I'm not even the person who posted that message earlier but I can relate. I got into Nirvana about 94, and being from a smaller town with out alot of alternitive resources it was like a breath of fresh air that sparked an interest in punk in me. I'll also admit that i hadn't listen to Nirvana much lately but have gotten back into them since this summer when i was hanging out with this guy who listend to them all the time and it made me remeber how much i enjoyed that band and how much they ment to me years ago.

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-10 01:46:24
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okay, the Dylan thing may be a bad example, but I think the general point was made

--C

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-10 01:43:01
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""Our generation is the only generation that would criticize a band for NOT selling out."
BS. It's always been that way. "

I'll refrain from reposting your whole quote, but I don't really get your point. Yeah, the Stones made it big while tons of other bands did, but that doesn't mean they didn't WANT to. And I doubt they got criticized for not wanting to.

My point was that I've heard more than a few times--from bands and journalists--that Fugazi is flawed because they WON'T play the game, that their politics are "self-limiting". Sure, a lot bands never made it, but I think Fugazi are one of the only bands to turn down million dollar offers and catch shit for it (NOFX may have turned down big offers, but they never got nearly as much shit for being elitist as Fugazi).

My point was that in almost every generation previous, artists/musicians would catch so much shit for "selling out". Now, Dylan would be stitched up in the press if he DIDN'T go electric. We've come full circle.

--Cos

Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 10, 2004 at 1:18 AM (EST)
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For every memorable “classic” Beatles song, there are five that are annoying novelty songs, four that are unbearably dated, three that are worthless R&B covers, two that are failed sonic experiments, and one that’s written by Ringo. If we wash all of those away from their dozen or so studio albums, we’re left with about half an album’s worth of decent material. We’ll throw in some mediocre old tracks, call it “One,” and it’ll move more copies than Kinko’s.

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-09 23:07:35
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I guess I should double check what I type. sorry, I'm only human.
No one ever answered my question earlier here it goes again
Why is Andy Kaufman on the Nirvana box set cover?

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-09 23:05:03
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That shit under me was worder poorly, i would take out The Doors and ACDC and put The Jam and The Specials in their place.

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-09 23:03:20
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To the guy below, right on with the doors I would put The Jam and The Specials should be on that list.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 10:36 PM (EST)
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oh yeah one more thing, for the guy/girl that made the 10 best bands list.....take the fuckin doors off PLEEEASE, i was so close to liking you
---Xis

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 10:33 PM (EST)
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1. "...which are also a cool treat for super punk fans. Yes, Nirvana did play fast at one point. "
Dont fuckin assume that just because i listen to punk that i require everything i listen to be like 300 bpm.
2. Ive said it before and ill say it again. Nirvana is overrated. Mid-90s grunge/alternative/whatever had many better bands. Alice in Chains, Mudhoney, the Melvins, Sponge, Soundgarden... many others.
3. Whoever thinks nirvana introduced punk to the mainstream...i seem to recall a point in 1977 when the sex pistols had the #1 album and single.
4. Apologies to the guy that grew up in bumfuck, kansas or wherever and shopped for music at kmart. Get over it. I know im gonna take all kinds of shit for this, but punk rock began as URBAN music, much like rap. Look at the Clash. What was their biggest influence? Reggae. Why? Because that was the urban music at the time. There was no rap back then, or at least not in any sort of form that 4 homeless guys from england wouldve known about. Fast forward to now. Were getting punk bands incorporating rappers, drum machines, and sampling, and writing about booty and weed. Why? Because now we have rap, and the 2 major urban music styles are again reacting with each other. Now am i saying that only city kids can listen to punk? of course not. but kmart shopper, whoever who are (sorry, i dont recall if you put a name) in middle america suburbia can probably relate to songs like, say, "Lock Step & Gone" or "Kill the Poor" about as much as the 15 year old rich girl wearin abercrombie could understand where DMX is comin from, even though thats what she listens to.
5. To steve the real bones, whatever the hell your name is....you ever date a girl named amy p?

----Xis

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 7:24 PM (EST)
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"Our generation is the only generation that would criticize a band for NOT selling out."

BS. It's always been that way.

Look at the UK rock/RnB scene... In the early 60's, there were tons of RnB based bands better than the Stones (the Pretty Things, The Yardbirds, The Birds, Them etc.), but The Stones played the game right and got the everlasting fame.

Like Chelsea... They formed in early 1976 or 1975... They didn't put out a record until the second wave of punk, though, in '79.

So when you come asking "why aren't Fugazi as well recognized?", no one says "they should have more music videos!"... People say "They don't play the game"... And, like it or not, playing the game is what gets bands everything in the end.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 7:15 PM (EST)
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They probably compare them to the Pixies because Kurt Cobain said he pretty much ripped off the Pixies when writing his material. That may be why. At least it seems like a reasonable explanation.

Posted by ringston on 2004-12-09 16:00:38
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"Thanks for the advice asshole" - no worries, so you like nirvana because they brought punk music to kmart and walmart? no need to get abusive.

Posted by DestroyPopRadio on 2004-12-09 14:58:07
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"2. Nirvana is not the most musically talented rock band of all time. They just took a simple formula (based on the Pixies)and ran with it--no secret or surprises there."

How in the world do people draw the Pixies conclusion all the time? Cuz Nirvana played songs soft and then loud? It's called fucking dynamics and people have been using them in music forever. If he ripped the Pixies as close as everybody thinks, then I probably would've actually listened to them.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 1:41 PM (EST)
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"Maybe you should have searched for new music and values, instead of sitting in middle small town america waiting for 'grunge' & 'punk' to go mainstream."

Thanks for the advice asshole but when youre in 6th or 7th grade and the only place to buy music is kmart or walmart your choices are rather limited.

Posted by ThriveToFailure on 2004-12-09 08:58:38
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Relevant or not, I don't think I'm going to be rushing out to buy this.

Good review though.

(Score is for the lame-ass packaging - is there a reason it comes in a tin that won't fit on any CD rack or shelf in the country? Are we supposed to put it on display in some sort of Kurt shrine or something?)

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 8:13 AM (EST)
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"The thing is that Nirvana brought punk music and punk values to middle small town america before the time of the internet. When Nirvana hit if you lived in a town like mine you had no access to any sort of alternative music or culture and they were a sound that you never heard before. You either liked shitty country or shitty metal"

Maybe you should have searched for new music and values, instead of sitting in middle small town america waiting for 'grunge' & 'punk' to go mainstream.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 5:33 AM (EST)
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Check out the cool flash FX on the new Backstreet Boys website!

www.backstreetboys.com/

-Chinatown

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 3:44 AM (EST)
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"The thing is that Nirvana brought punk music and punk values to middle small town america before the time of the internet. When Nirvana hit if you lived in a town like mine you had no access to any sort of alternative music or culture and they were a sound that you never heard before. You either liked shitty country or shitty metal"

that's a legit argument, thank the record company, there were a million nirvanas, and they got lucky, that was it

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 3:26 AM (EST)
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better listen to negative approach or bonecrusher than to this crappy hippie band

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-09 01:36:38
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Social D. and Operation Ivy got me into punk not Nirvana.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 1:14 AM (EST)
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The thing is that Nirvana brought punk music and punk values to middle small town america before the time of the internet. When Nirvana hit if you lived in a town like mine you had no access to any sort of alternative music or culture and they were a sound that you never heard before. You either liked shitty country or shitty metal. The only good music on the radio came from the classic rock station. NIrvana was incredable when I first heard them, many of the thoughts or feelings that i had were expressed by this band, i finally didn't feel alone and i dreamed of growing up and moving a big city, actually seattle at the time but chicago will do, experiening this thing called punk. Many of my first punk bands that i bought came from interviews with Cobain where he referenced them. I bough Damaged beacause i remeber Cobain talking about how much he loved black flag, i had never heard a song by them, i didn't know shit about them all i knew was they were punk and Cobain liked them (sold his record collection to see them play) and that was good enough for me.

The thing about this box set is that it won't get anyone new into nirvana, its not designed to do that, its for the fans that want just a little more from a band that changed thier lives for the better, which for me they did. I really don't expect much and from what i've heard theres only about 1 cd worth of music thats actually worth listening to. I really don't care. The reason that some many fans are looking forward to this is that Cobain left us so suddenly and permentaly that we've always been hoping for something more.

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 1:05 AM (EST)
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Cactus Jack says " bang bang!!!"

Kurt goes splat

Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 9, 2004 at 12:21 AM (EST)
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BSD also grew up on dick! AHAHA EATING THEM OMG SO CLEVER OMG ZZZZZZzziiiinnngggggggahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 8:45 PM (EST)
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" the Beatles can almost solely be held accountable for all the crap that came out of San Francisco in the late 60s. Relevent? Yes. Doesn't mean I have to like it (not that I ever said I hated the Beatles...at all)."

I was raised on psych, so I'd know that the Misunderstood (a band from the US, no less) were the first band to play that sort of music...

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 8:16 PM (EST)
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Great collection, well worth the $45 I spent for it!
-notfeelingcreative

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-08 20:14:00
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I'd rather take a simple band like Minor Threat too than a boring ol Nirvana

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 7:57 PM (EST)
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"Yeah, because I'm sure people interested in grunge are looking for ska/dub/reggae compilations...

-BSD"

I'm just saying if you want good musicn no matter what genre, get those. You'd be surprised at how many grunge fans like ska.

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-08 19:54:26
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Relevence? How's this for relevence: Nirvana was responsible for a million and one shitty-ass copy cats after them (Silverchair, Live, etc). Do I have to worship them because they were a million-selling band who influenced other million-selling bands? Nirvana invented a formula that was, in my high school years, absolute hell. On a similar note, the Beatles can almost solely be held accountable for all the crap that came out of San Francisco in the late 60s. Relevent? Yes. Doesn't mean I have to like it (not that I ever said I hated the Beatles...at all).

Again, all this talk about "they brought it out into the mainstream" is an absolute bullshit excuse, usually made by some apologetic rock critic who's lauding a band he knows in his heart isn't that good. In the 90's, you'd hear a rock critic in the same breath praising Nirvana for having "the guts" to sign to a major and make a video, and then slam Fugazi for turning down millions of dollars to sign big or saying the Pixies weren't as good because they never wrote a radio song and embraced the mainstream. Our generation is the only generation that would criticize a band for NOT selling out.

Outside of the "perspective of the music scene at the time," (again, I'm 25, so your Jedi mind-tricks won't work on me) I still don't like Nirvana all that much. Rather listen to Minor Threat. That's my opinion. Lick my balls.

--Cos

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-08 19:31:29
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Why is Andy Kaufman on the cover?

Posted by joeg on 2004-12-08 18:38:04
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i started listening to bad religion, nofx, pennywise, and the ramones in about 1994 or 1995 (I was in 6th grade then, do the math)....i learned about those bands from surf and skate videos or from my siblings not from nirvana, ( i hate being "that guy" i just thought this would add some relevance)

(oh yeah, and all of those bands released albums before nirvana ever did)

its one thing to appreciate a band for originality or changing music, its another thing to appreciate a band for changing how major labels view music

- the other scott

Fuck relevance? Is it so difficult to deny nirvana's influence on the punk rock kids of today like myself (i'm 24 now) who would probably never have gotten into punk rock if it wasn't for nirvana? You can't even admit the kind of influence nirvana had on kids everywhere that maybe didn't have the alternative channels people like you had in being exposed to the bad religion's and the nofx's first through video games.
So what if NOFX released an album before nirvana did? I wouldn't know who nofx or bad religion would be if nirvana hadn't blow the doors wide open.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 6:08 PM (EST)
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"And they'd be definitely in the Top 10 of greatest rock bands of all time."

(in no particular order)
Beatles
Stones
Beach Boys
Doors
Clash
Ramones
Led Zepplelin
Velvet Underground
AC/DC
Stooges

(OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE A LOT MORE)...i'm just trying to make the point that here are ten bands that should be in the top 10 that were around way before nirvana ever was

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:47 PM (EST)
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Anyone who thinks that Nirvana was viewed positively much less ground breaking by "punks" in the early 90's is overlooking that Nirvana was embroiled in the continuing battle between the underground and the mainstream. Nirvana was often seen as the Good Charlotte of its time. I clearly remember being with a friend who was thinking about buying Nevermind, until a hoarde of 13 year olds came in and all picked up a copy. And then as it is now, popularity among 13 years old is terminally uncool for a punk band.
In hindsight though, I have to say that Nirvana was pretty good especially compared to the radio punks of today. They actually made legitimate rock music and did pave the way for mainstream radio to be listenable and MTV watchable for about 5 years until Britney and rap metal took over again. But they did not do anything different than the Police or Blondie had done about a decade before. The real difference is that Sting and Debbie Harry stuck around to get old and make adult contemporary music to taint their legend. And although Nirvana's impact on the mainstream was large and probably got a lot of people to try punk, I would dare to say that bands from about the same time period which never became "big", like Operation Ivy, Fugazi, and Youth of Today, had a much bigger influence on the bands which are most frequently tracked on this website.

KEDS, 33

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:47 PM (EST)
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sorry about that, sticky keyboard (i won't deny it)

- the other scott

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:46 PM (EST)
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Nota bene: Clarifications:

1. Nirvana is not the greatest rock band of all time. They're just my favorite of all time. And they'd be definitely in the Top 10 of greatest rock bands of all time.

2. Nirvana is not the most musically talented rock band of all time. They just took a simple formula (based on the Pixies)and ran with it--no secret or surprises there.

3. Even though Nirvana isn't the greatest rock band of all time, they still are a preeminent influence on the rock music scene, alternative and indie. Nirvana's music has inspired so many others and spawned so many countless other rock bands. Plus without Nirvana, there wouldn't nearly be as renewed interest in the punk and indies scene. That's a fact.

Gray Davis

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:46 PM (EST)
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"it would be good idea to try and understand the relevance of a band"

fuck relevance

i started listening to bad religion, nofx, pennywise, and the ramones in about 1994 or 1995 (I was in 6th grade then, do the math)....i learned about those bands from surf and skate videos or from my siblings not from nirvana, ( i hate being "that guy" i just thought this would add some relevance)

(oh yeah, and all of those bands released albums before nirvana ever did)

its one thing to appreciate a band for originality or changing music, its another thing to appreciate a band for changing how major labels view music

- the other scott

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:46 PM (EST)
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"it would be good idea to try and understand the relevance of a band"

fuck relevance

i started listening to bad religion, nofx, pennywise, and the ramones in about 1994 or 1995 (I was in 6th grade then, do the math)....i learned about those bands from surf and skate videos or from my siblings not from nirvana, ( i hate being "that guy" i just thought this would add some relevance)

(oh yeah, and all of those bands released albums before nirvana ever did)

its one thing to appreciate a band for originality or changing music, its another thing to appreciate a band for changing how major labels view music

- the other scott

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:46 PM (EST)
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"it would be good idea to try and understand the relevance of a band"

fuck relevance

i started listening to bad religion, nofx, pennywise, and the ramones in about 1994 or 1995 (I was in 6th grade then, do the math)....i learned about those bands from surf and skate videos or from my siblings not from nirvana, ( i hate being "that guy" i just thought this would add some relevance)

(oh yeah, and all of those bands released albums before nirvana ever did)

its one thing to appreciate a band for originality or changing music, its another thing to appreciate a band for changing how major labels view music

- the other scott

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:46 PM (EST)
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"it would be good idea to try and understand the relevance of a band"

fuck relevance

i started listening to bad religion, nofx, pennywise, and the ramones in about 1994 or 1995 (I was in 6th grade then, do the math)....i learned about those bands from surf and skate videos or from my siblings not from nirvana, ( i hate being "that guy" i just thought this would add some relevance)

(oh yeah, and all of those bands released albums before nirvana ever did)

its one thing to appreciate a band for originality or changing music, its another thing to appreciate a band for changing how major labels view music

- the other scott

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 4:57 PM (EST)
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"Overrated. If you want a good box set, buy any Trojan has put out. Those are gold."

Yeah, because I'm sure people interested in grunge are looking for ska/dub/reggae compilations...

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 4:54 PM (EST)
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reading these comments makes me feel old...

arguing about whether or not you like Nirvana (now or then) and whether they were a “good” band is uninformed and ultimately irrelevant. It is similar to a metallica fan saying that led zeppelin was lame - metallica wouldn't exist without zepplin, nor would a lot of alt metal / punk bands exist without Nirvana - plain and simple (for those of you a bit on the young side, let me put it like this, there wouldn’t be a New Found Glory or Simple Plan etc without Green Day).

Anyway, was Nirvana the best band ever, probably not although this may be in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I prefer the Pixies (to which Nirvana owe some props) but then the Pixies didn't have the same impact on mainstream music that Nirvana did.

Regardless, unless you want to continue be called out as a sounding like a pimply adolescent (which you probably are) wearing a yellowcard shirt (which you probably are) it would be good idea to try and understand the relevance of a band outside of your own limited perspective (this goes for all the Beatle bashers as well).

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 4:35 PM (EST)
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Overrated. If you want a good box set, buy any Trojan has put out. Those are gold.

Score is for Trojan. Nirvana gets less than a 1/2 star.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 4:14 PM (EST)
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the beatles wrote (not just performed, like elivs, michael jackson, britney spears ectc.) 27 number 1 hits. that was prior to rubber soul, sgt. peppers, and the white album

for the most part when you hear something you like, just remember that there is a huge chance that the beatles did it first

Posted by boba_fett on 2004-12-08 16:10:54
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High-rolling punkers with the bling can snag this supersized box set for about $40-$50.

and that is the best line of the review.

Posted by boba_fett on 2004-12-08 16:08:32
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You're Canadian, aren't you?

-BSD

yes i am.

i wasnt saying "who is gray davis?". i know he was the governer of california before anorld total recalled him and assumed the mantle of goubernator for himself. not all canadian know nothing about our neighbours.

i was wondering if it really is him. i always figured it was sarcasm cause it was too funny to be true, then i saw the post further down where he said he got a new job with some law firm... that got me.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 3:51 PM (EST)
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Nothing this band put out was good.

Posted by blinkrules on 2004-12-08 15:44:37
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This is crap.
on a different note, I will be purchasing the new Lindsay Lohan album.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 2:01 PM (EST)
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BSD is getting cranky , must be time for his nap.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 1:53 PM (EST)
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I think that was my point, you idiot...

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 1:43 PM (EST)
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Are you kidding? Everyone who likes rock likes the Beatles. Everyone but wannabe punks and those groups, and I don't strive to differentiate myself from anything.

Seriously... The Beatles are rebellious now? They, along with the Rolling Stones, are the one band that both I and the Skynrd fans at school like.

-BSD

-Trust me everyone at your school likes the beatles. Stop trying to be all punk rawk just cause some people might like the same shit as you.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 1:32 PM (EST)
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Are you kidding? Everyone who likes rock likes the Beatles. Everyone but wannabe punks and those groups, and I don't strive to differentiate myself from anything.

Seriously... The Beatles are rebellious now? They, along with the Rolling Stones, are the one band that both I and the Skynrd fans at school like.

-BSD

Posted by PsychoOS231 on 2004-12-08 12:50:15
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of course BSD is going to get a boner from the beatles. i mean, he's what, 14 years old or something? most kids at his school are probably listening to lil john right now, and bsd strives to be different, so he latched on to the beatles and tells everyone in third period how music sucks now. and they dont make real songs anymore like the beatles did. and that the beatles were the greatest blah blah blah. its a classic case of insecurity. dont worry bsd, you'll grow out of it

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

-There were alot of people like that at my HS. Thats funny stuff.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:40 PM (EST)
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"Nirvana - "Unplugged in New York" remains to be one of the best CDs of all time. You guys can claim that Nirvana is so mediocre and blah blah blah, but there arent too many bands that can put out as good of a CD as that."

Alice In Chains Unplugged>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Nirvana Unplugged.

Posted by stevejonestherealbones on 2004-12-08 12:28:14
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of course BSD is going to get a boner from the beatles. i mean, he's what, 14 years old or something? most kids at his school are probably listening to lil john right now, and bsd strives to be different, so he latched on to the beatles and tells everyone in third period how music sucks now. and they dont make real songs anymore like the beatles did. and that the beatles were the greatest blah blah blah. its a classic case of insecurity. dont worry bsd, you'll grow out of it

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:23 PM (EST)
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the grunge genius of the Sub Pop "In Bloom"
what does that mean? in bloom was not involved with sub pop

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:17 PM (EST)
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"I could sit here and pick apart albums, but with broad strokes, I can't picture anyone getting terribly enthusiastic about Ringo's songs. That's easy mark--they're good fun and all, but nothing noteworthy. Nobody would give a damn about them if he wasn't Lennon/McCartney's drummer. Also, some of John Lennon's latter output is questionable. I'm thinking of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" on Abbey Road (an album I happen to love), among others.

--Cos"

Ringo's songs may only work within an album (most of the tiem, there are some exceptional songs he wrote), but that's because they had to mix it up. An entire album of the same song writers would probably have been just as good, but much less varied.

And plus, if someone put out an entire record of Ringo songs, it would be heralded as "indie pop genius" or something.

-BSD

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 10:46 AM (EST)
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Sorry... this was supposed to be my score.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 10:46 AM (EST)
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I'm a huge NIrvana fan, but this set is SHITE. THIS is what we've been waiting all these years for? It's good for a little nostalgia, but man, most of this stuff sucks donkey balls. You won't listen to it more than once.

You can find all this and even better stuff over at Easytree.org. If you need everything Nirvana put out, then get it, but otherwise, download the boots that have been going around for years and years.

Posted by joeg on 2004-12-08 10:07:57
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"and i dont know why you think all the nirvana bashers are young. i'm 29 and i didnt think much of nirvana 10 or so years ago, nor do i now."

I don't think anybody ever said ALL Nirvana bashers have to be young as I'm well aware there were people who did not like Nirvana back in 91 just as there are always people all over the world in the history of music who have not all liked a band/artist.

Posted by ringston on 2004-12-08 09:45:35
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and i dont know why you think all the nirvana bashers are young. i'm 29 and i didnt think much of nirvana 10 or so years ago, nor do i now.

Posted by ringston on 2004-12-08 09:42:59
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we now have a close second to the popular 'what is punk?' debate. its the 'does nirvana deserve their godlike status?' debate.

Posted by joeg on 2004-12-08 09:32:52
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I agree, most of the people bashing Nirvana were probably in their diapers while 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' was wiping out all the hair metal bands. You don't have to like Nirvana but you should have some respect for them for opening the floodgates into this world of punk we all love. It may have been Green Day or Blink or whatever band that got you into punk but none of that is possible without Nirvana first breaking through and allowing punk rock (not some lazy media label called GRUNGE) to be heard.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 9:28 AM (EST)
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I am 25, and listened to Nirvana since they put out Bleach, but this band isnt all people make them out to be. Just because Kurt killed himself, his martyr profitability is being exploited to the point that I hate this band now. Their music is less and less relevant.....

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 9:25 AM (EST)
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Overrated. If you want a good boxed set, get the Metallica one.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 9:02 AM (EST)
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...And get it to pad Courtney Hole's pockets, blah, blah, blah. Come off it, this box set is a waste of money.
Good band, even a revolutionary band, but they didn't give a fuck. And the fact that all this garbage has been compiled into a neat little box set goes against everything that made them revolutionary.
I wore out my copies of Bleach and Nevermind, but I can honestly say I haven't listened to either of them in over 9 years.
Nirvana died with Kurt Kobain and it's a damn shame attempts to ressurect both are still being attempted.
29

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 8:47 AM (EST)
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"Overrated pretentious garbage, Cobain only wishes he was Jesse Lacey."

That's some funny stuff right there.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 5:35 AM (EST)
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I think everybody should put their age when they post. I am very interested to find out how old some of you regulars are. I think once we new the real age of these kids in here it would easily discredit them and we would know who to ignore.
southpaw954 3-18-80

Posted by Cos on 2004-12-08 03:27:09
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"The Beatles didn't put out any crap... Each of them as solo artists put out crap, but not as The Beatles.

-BSD"

The Beatles did so put out some crap. This doesn't dimish them as a band, but just highlights the fact that, despite what the baby-boomer controlled media will have you believe, they were not some untouchable entity. Not every Picasso was a masterpiece, y'know?

I could sit here and pick apart albums, but with broad strokes, I can't picture anyone getting terribly enthusiastic about Ringo's songs. That's easy mark--they're good fun and all, but nothing noteworthy. Nobody would give a damn about them if he wasn't Lennon/McCartney's drummer. Also, some of John Lennon's latter output is questionable. I'm thinking of "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" on Abbey Road (an album I happen to love), among others.

--Cos

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 3:15 AM (EST)
My Score:

swingline, i love you.

Posted by swingline on 2004-12-08 03:13:58
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nirvana was so not good. i could barely understand what they were trying to say! they are nothing to creme my newly bought 250 dollar diesel jeans over. omg i look so cute in them M/ ^_^ M/ rock on !!!1

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 3:00 AM (EST)
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"Overrated. You want good grunge to listen to STP or Soundgarden."

You are gay my friend. Gay.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 2:49 AM (EST)
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why has Nirvana attained legendary status? the most basic answer is that Kurt Cobain wrote the best melodies and riffs the 90's has witnessed. that's the honest fucking truth. he didn't give a shit about "grunge" (the guy has publicly stated how much he hated Pearl Jam and Soundgarden and bands of their ilk). what's so tangibly great about Kurt is his interviews. he almost never talked about Nirvana, he talked about his favorite bands. Husker Du, the Wipers, Fugazi, Meat Puppets, Black Flag, the Stooges, Mudhoney, Tad, Sonic Youthh etc. the guy was completely genuine, i don't think i've read an interview with him in which he didn't talk about how great these other bands were instead of how great he was.

to be completely honest, the success of Nirvana lay on the fact that the guy could write a fucking melody and a riff. Nirvana trasnscended genre and time period, the shit is timeless. Smells Like Teen Spirit doesn't sound old, Nirvana's contemporaries do.

i may get lambasted here, but i say in complete honesty that Kurt Cobain wrote the best melodies since the Beatles and the Beach Boys. if not the best, within the best 3. challenge?

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 1:31 AM (EST)
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'You're so lame'

uh-huh, keep telling yourself that hawthorne heights rocks...

WTF!??!?! Is Hawthorne heights is that like the new OC?

Posted by Jesse on 2004-12-08 00:44:39
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""id love to meet this gray davis character. maybe im gonna seem like a complete idiot but is it really him?"

You're Canadian, aren't you?

-BSD

Nice insult, why not attack his grammar mistakes while your at it?"

Too bad you used the wrong "you're" in that one. So ironic, it hurts.

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:26 AM (EST)
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'You're so lame'

uh-huh, keep telling yourself that hawthorne heights rocks...

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:26 AM (EST)
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"They look like the Hives in that pic on top of the page.

-Chinatown"

I know. The Hives were definitely the first rock band to wear suits.

Dumbass.

-BSD

Posted by Not-To-Regret on 2004-12-08 00:16:43
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"id love to meet this gray davis character. maybe im gonna seem like a complete idiot but is it really him?"

You're Canadian, aren't you?

-BSD

Nice insult, why not attack his grammar mistakes while your at it?

Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 8, 2004 at 12:09 AM (EST)
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Yea, whatever, everyone can bash them all they want but I give a lot of credit for Nirvana for getting me into rock and that basically led to punk. I agree, most of the bashing is coming from those who were born probably around '88 making their opinion a lot less valid. I think kurt was a damn good song writer and a good guitarist, not very intricate, but good.

You're so lame

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 at 11:45 PM (EST)
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Yea, whatever, everyone can bash them all they want but I give a lot of credit for Nirvana for getting me into rock and that basically led to punk. I agree, most of the bashing is coming from those who were born probably around '88 making their opinion a lot less valid. I think kurt was a damn good song writer and a good guitarist, not very intricate, but good.

'Overrated. You want good grunge to listen to STP or Soundgarden.'

And, no the good stuff was seaweed, the gits, melvins, flop, fastbacks, etc. although most of the bands in seattle during that era were more 'punk' than 'grunge', they just got stuck with the 'grunge' label.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 at 11:36 PM (EST)
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this score's for heroin addicts who kill themselves leaving behind a wife, a daughter, and millions of depressed, loyal fans

- the other scott

Posted by dazed on 2004-12-07 23:34:36
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Sliver and Aneurysm are probably my favorite Nirvana songs, although I don't really think I need to get this.

The Live Wishkah CD or whatever is probably the best retrospective Nirvana's gonna get.

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 at 11:15 PM (EST)
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They look like the Hives in that pic on top of the page.

-Chinatown

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 7, 2004 at 11:09 PM (EST)
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yeah, the box set is about half filler, but i personally see it as an inspiring track record in musicmaking. to think that these shitty demos spawned so many anthems in the midst of the bubble gum pop era of michael jackson, madonna, new kids on the block...

i think it reeks of hope for any aspiring songwriters out there today, who think that their shitty basement recordings couldn't amount to shit. even the simplest song could execute a dominating mall genre, shed some light on good raw music. at least that's something.

plus seeing kurt swinging his g