so i really liked this album when i heard it, and i think that sometimes heavier isn't always better. i'm not really a music purist so i haven't heard a lot of the bands that people have been saying they ripped off, but the article does make me want to see if there are better and more original versions of norma jean that i could get into.

This album Isn't great, but it's still classic from Norma Jean.
this album shows how much they've evolved from the repetive riffs off of
"Throwing Myself" as Luti-Kriss. The album reminded me from most of the songs off of "Reborn" from Living-Sacrifice.

I think this album's strongest point would be the vocals.
because this album just showed what Cory brought to Norma Jean
Josh was and still is great, and it's good that Cory has his own innovate style.
Have to admit, O' God The Aftermath makes Redeemer look like a modly piece of toast.

this is their best album, although they tend to bog every album of theirs down with a random and droning 13 minute song in the middle. other than that, this is a bad ass album

great

This album is excellent, you guys are all a bunch of labellers. Any could find comparisons between bands, that's what put them in the same gendra of music. I could take any metal, hardcore, and punk band and say " oh they like Metallica, or Black Sabbath, or Sex Pistols. QUIT LABELLING AND TAKE IT FOR WHAT'S IT'S WORTH...FUCKERS

Bad. Just plain bad. Not very much creativity found at all on here. The only tracks really worth listening to is "Charactarantula" and "Liarsenic", but the beakdown in "Vertabraille" is pretty nice.

o god the aftermath is the best cd ever.all you posers shut up. you dont know norma jean

i didnt even read the review, after seeing how many stars given i know its wrong.

Norma jean is good but Josh Scogin made them great

whoever wrote this article is a fucking idiiot, and yo said Atreyu and F.A.T.A were bullshit bands. You can got o hell, they are some of the sickest bands out there

whoever wrote this article is a fucking idiiot, and yo said Atreyu and F.A.T.A were bullshit bands. You can got o hell, they are some of the sickest bands out there

this album (presumably due to the lineup changes) falls short of the artistic gut-wrenching rawness that was "Bless The Martyr & KIss The Child", but is still the same brand of abrasive bliss that you should expect from this great band. And please, how could one compare them to Botch or Dillinger? they sound so different from them it's not even funny.

i gave this album the highest rating simply because it has helped me in a way that few things can, in showing me a message of hope for an already damned world.

i like botch yea, and i can see the comparisons. but when you get down to it, lets just be honest with each other all the time -- it IS just music. granted, it has meant a lot to me.. the message is still more important than the music.

thanks for reading. peace.
-blake.

i always wanted the super soaker with the plastic back pack that held the water. all ghostbusters like and shit.

O god the aftermath sucks and I really wanted to like it

this si a pretty good cd, i think norma jean is a good band.....
though i do think that there music is very similar to dillinger escape plan, but i dont like dillinger escape plan, norma jean is way better!!!!

I agree. Live Norma own. They literally lay any venue to waste :D

these boys are fucking insane live, go see a show.

ok....id like to start off by saying that the vocal breakdowns in disconnecktie are the brightest points in the album (for me at least)
as far as the people bashing them for being openly christian...i thought we were in a place where we can talk about whatever we want. now that ive gotten most of the lyrics down i dont see that many religious references....but most of which that i do see refer to armageddon (i dont know about you but i think revelations is a pretty fucking cool story)
i think the album is a nice change from the run of the mill popular hardcore thats been floating around for the last year or two. i thoroughly enjoy the drumlines and the drastic jumps in and out of breakdowns.
as far as the new lead singer......meh. i think cory brandan would have been a nice addition to josh scogin but i wont complain. josh is doing huge things with the chariot right now.
ive been following norma jean for a good many years...back to the luti-kriss days (im from atlanta) and i can definately say i dig the outcome of this album. i hear it as a stripped down, simplified, yet absolutely brutal and energetic retrospect of modern mainstream hardcore.

Why does everyone forget about Coalesce? Bless the Martyr and kiss the child was such a Coalesce derivative album. This one less so, but it is still definitely there.

Oh, and I invented the Botch/A Life Once Lost comparison.

I like this band, but because they are tight, tuff, and their heart is almost in the right place.

I do not like this band for originality or passion.

Also, they should have kept the singer they had at hellfest 2003. That mother fucker was punk as fuck. Screw you if you think he "couldn't sing." Sometimes its not about hitting the notes. Sometimes it's about hitting a nerve.

Holy that was cliche. But that's alright, cause I meant it.

"thats the same reason why i dont listen to skrewdriver. if i dont agree with what a band is preaching, why the fuck should i support them and listen to them?"

Christian bands arent sinnging about clearing the world of those who arent pure bred white. Singing about the love of a God that may or may not exist is much different than singing about hanging a jew in Times Square.

"I was never allowed to have a Super Soaker. My mom still insists that anyone allowed to play with one will grow up to be a serial killer."

You should go kill a bunch of people. Just to prove your mom wrong.

bless the martyt kiss the child was better

two breaths and a gunshot

hweheh,butts butts fuicccclcll HEHEHHEEH little nuts dude butts heheh supr sokers are rel;y cool. i had the 5491023 it had 67 barels and it shot out apples n nuts n stuf NOT. hheehheeh BUTTUUTT

dude elliot is gay, did you know that??!!?!?!? F tyhe wowowowo

I never even had a Super Soaker. What I did was bring a ziploc filled with deflated balloons, which I then filled up with water and threw at people. I was a grenadier rather than a gunner, so to speak.

-Chinatown

Hahaha, fuck you guys. I had one of those things that shot ice cubes.

-BSD

PS- Nerf slays water guns

I'd fill my super soakers with a mixture of piss and water and shoot this fag in the face that lived next to me - he once tried to show me his penis when we were kids and I told him to never do it again - we became good friends - I bet he likes the new Norma Jean cd

wokiee super soakers? wtf? anyways, i had the small ones too at first, and they weren't that bad if you had a couple at a time. sneak attack bitches...sneak attack.

oops...those glorious memories of the super soaker days totally fucked with my brain...here's the score it's suppoesed to be...damn you kids for making me miss my super soaker.

i had one of those lame ass small super soakers at first (swear to god it was like a pistol...a 50 or something) ...but then i eventually graduated to a fucking huge super soaker with three nozzles in the front and two of them went left and right so you could get kids without having to even turn your body. with that being said, i actually enjoy this album.

Too many posts about Norma Jean, let's get back on topic here, people!

I not only had a Super Soaker 50, I had one worse -- the Super Soaker 40. I was like the retarded kid who tried to play soccer with the regular kids at recess with that thing.

-Scott

norma jean = worse than crap.... norma jean = ass crap

"LMFAO what a bunch of pussy bitches. This CD is really good and Norma Jean is amazing live. When you start listening to music with some balls then come back and post what you think."

LMFAO you're using internet-speak and simultaneously trying to convince me that mall-core music has balls. If you want real balls, listen to something with a trace of honesty, like Converge, Give Up the Ghost, The Kodan Armada, Cowboys Became Folk Heroes, Saetia, You and I, City of Caterpillar, Pg.99, Malady, Hot Cross, or the late, great Botch.

Botch-core, through and through. Where once I was lost, I now am even more lost. The same old crap mixed with a little guava juice doesn't do a lick of good for the utter lack of talent. I walked by a nursery the other day, I'll put it nicely, those little kids had about 15% more umph than Norma Jean. If you are into pre-fabricated sounds and a whole lot of nothing, pack your bags and pay homage to the Norma Jean. Otherwise, take your cash and buy a hot-dog or something.

Can't say I've ever been inclined to listen to this band again after hearing a few tracks from their first album but, being a massive fan of Botch, I was quite surprised to read about all this 'ripping off' but there being no link mentioned with the producer of the album.

For the lazy of you, it's wunder-producer guy Matt Bayles.

For the even lazier and/or ill-informed, he of Botch.

I just had a quick listen to a couple of tracks and it did sound like Botch getting it on with A Life Once Lost.

I knew Gabe would post something, hah. "A friend of Norma Jean is a friend of mine."

-pushthepanic

a friend of mine is good friends with the drummer of NJ and he said that all they listened to before writing Bless The Martyr, Kiss The Child was 7 Angels 7 Plagues' Jhazmyne's Lullaby and Training For Utopia.

LMFAO what a bunch of pussy bitches. This CD is really good and Norma Jean is amazing live. When you start listening to music with some balls then come back and post what you think.

I've always wanted one of those "voice activated" squirt guns. On the commercial This kid is about to get squirt in the back by someother kid and then he's like "fire!" and the joker behind him get squirt by his hidden headset squirt gun.
Also, this CD sucks major balls. It's like Dillinger Escape Plan... if Dillinger were retarded... and boring... and shitty.

my mom had a super soaker 50 for the sole purpose of shooting cats who would try to eat the birds in our back yard. she got pretty into that shit.

Remember the kids in the supersoaker commercials who would run around some jungle set up in their backyard and play out elaborate ambushes?

I wanted to be one of those kids.

i had the supersoaker 100 because it was blue. No other reason.

yea, but it was the toyota corolla of super soakers.

Come on. The super soker 50 was by far the best one. All the other ones clogged, or took forever to pump, or had some other sort of fatal flaw. The 50 always worked.

Score is because this reviewer is an idiot.

Which Super Soaker had the backpack. That one was boss. What was even cooler was that thing that was like a plastic orb, and you put a water balloon in it. Then you played like hot potato with it until it exploded, soaking the unfortunate soul holding onto that green and red contraption. And to think, I got it for coming up with the best name for my swim team.

"I was never allowed to have a Super Soaker. My mom still insists that anyone allowed to play with one will grow up to be a serial killer."

Hahahahahahaha...that's fucking funny. And weird...my mother thought that too.

Oh, and I can't stand this band. I've given them a few chancees, and I like the Marylin name-reference, but I just can't. "Fucking terrible" doesn't even begin to describe it.

The reviewer is dead on. This is basically a mimick of every Botch song. The production on the cd, however, is one of the best I have ever heard for a heavy band. I reccomend downloading one or two songs just to hear the sweet ass guitar sound. Other than that, it's not very memorable.

Man, those new Super Soakers suck. They're too techincal! Kids don't care about a rotating saw that sprays in all directions, they just want a lot of water!!

As for the hose, I would always use the hose at somebody else's house until the people heard us and came outside. Then we would run like hell.

i dont mosh in slam dance in your church, dont pray in my pit!!!

You're awesome.

I was never allowed to have a Super Soaker. My mom still insists that anyone allowed to play with one will grow up to be a serial killer.

this band fucking sucks. they should die.

3 metalcore reviews back to back. Punknews is going for a record.

3 shitty metalcore reviews too.

"I hate how ppl dismiss a band simply because of what they choose to believe in."

thats the same reason why i dont listen to skrewdriver. if i dont agree with what a band is preaching, why the fuck should i support them and listen to them?

u r ghey

I hate how "ppl" are too lazy to write three extra letters and spell the fucking word correctly.

"This Jesuscore shit is getting old."

So are ppl who complain about it instead of just ignoring it.

I hate how ppl dismiss a band simply because of what they choose to believe in. It's not punk rock anymore to be an atheist, so you can stop wining now.

3 metalcore reviews back to back. Punknews is going for a record.

This Jesuscore shit is getting old.

fuck christian emocore, these people need to die painfully

i'm with the guy below who said he doesn't think of botch when he listens to NJ. this album is nowhere near as good as bless the martyr...

"i dont mosh in slam dance in your church, dont pray in my pit!!!"

awesome. preach on..preach on.
-TOBB

BOTCH

BOTCH

BOTCH

I dunno man... I really like this album, especially since I thought their *classic* "Bless The Martyr" was very quite medoicre. Sure, there's a lot of shit pout there that sounds similar to this, but not many of those bands can have such a solid and well-flowing album. Sure, maybe its a bit pretentious and fake, but you can't t completely tear it apart for it's lack of artistic credibility. And yeah, it's alot different than "Bless The Martyr", which is a lot different from anything Luti-kriss put out, and it seems like a pretty fast and drastic maturity, but who wants the same shit every album? That's not how you pay bills when on tour when you also need to pay for gas, food, and hotels.

And, anyway, what's wrong with trying to blend two styles of music in order to attract two types of fans? not every genre of music needs to have its own distinct scene. Actually, scenes are lame. Good music is good music, and I hate how ppl try and tell you that what you're listening to is lame becuz it's not something you;re *supposed* to like.

I dunno. i just got this impression that this review was written by someone who "hates the scenesters and their music" and that's that, no questions asked, and that really pissed me off becuz as a music reviewer, you havta look past the hype anmd just try and REALLy listen to the album for what it is.

i dig this cd.

This band is so hyped it doesn't even register on my lame-o-meter.

Fuck super soakers. Just lore the kids near your house and use the ULTIMATE water weapon.

The fucking hose.

Some kids Mom got real mad at me for that one....

-!GreenVandal!

I must be the only guy on Earth who apparently doesn't think "BOTCH RIPOFF" when I hear Norma Jean's music.

I could probably understand why one would think so, but I also think that's an oversimplification.

-Gabe Vendetta

i never owned a supersoaker....i was like the kids in the commercials with the little tiny hand gun squirt pistols....

anyway.

oh god, the shitty music...comes to mind

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

this super soaker chat is going to be awesome

i was all proud because i had the one that could shoot in a 180 degree radius by turing the little handle on the nozzle. i decimated scores of neighbor kids and stained their clothes by mixing koolaid in my resivoir.

then the handle broke and my once bad ass soaker now shot only at a very crooked right angle. i felt like jim carey in "me, myself and irene." if you've seen the movie (ugh) you know what im talking about.

norma jean does indeed suck. they are the broken, crookedy ass super soaker and clogged jim carey urethra of the genre.

thanks for your time.

i dont mosh in slam dance in your church, dont pray in my pit!!!

even though it would be fun to start trashing around in a church full just to see the reaction. i just came up with an idea for a music video

super soakers... man were those good times. to my surprise, they still make super soakers http://www.hasbro.com/supersoaker/ ... no wonder kids are pissed and shooting up schools these days. look at all those weak ass super soakers! what happened to the multi nozzle dual barreled single strap rambo style soakers?? the last one .." theliquidator" looks like my fucking mr. clean autodry car washer. i don't even see super soaker fights anymore. the marketing geniuses at hasbro need to be shot in the intestines.

Damn angry Christians! They need to lower their daily blood pressures.

the new star wars wookie super super soaker is the only one i've ever wanted to buy. that said i don't really care for botch and i don't really care of this cd, same damn thing...

I feel your pain. All my neighbors and friends had the ultra cool supersoakers with dials, gauges and shit. All I ever had was that yellow POS 50.

best opening blurb in a while.

O' God, The Aftermath, is like the Super Soaker 50 of metalcore.

Score is for this line and the likelihood of the resultant comment section relating to it.