yesssssss

and to answer below me, yes Tom Gabel sings on "The Shape of Drunks To Come"

I never understood the deal with all of the hate towards Fat on this site, it's not like they're pulling the same shit their big brothers at Epitaph are with signing bands. This album is really good but there have been so many more awesome albums coming out this year. This one is still probably in my top 15 of the year though.

I agree whole heartedly with scruffy, in saying that, I'm personally really into Fat right now simply because they are putting out alot of good albums right now. The new Lawrence Arms album was great, Loved ones was eh, Against me! was truly bad, I really don't listen to NOFX anymore these day, but my brother was listeningto it in his car and it seems alright, at lease better than their last release, but noone seems to mention the new None More Black album. This is Satire is probably my fav. album to come out this year, now I realise there are die hard Kid Dynamite fans out there who this NMB is too poppy or what ever you would call that. I just think they deserve some respect because it's an amazine album.

Ok, so now to the album in question. The first song i heard by this band was probably ring of fire, then i was getting into broken cigarette. At that point i was starving for something new tolisten to and this band seemed like the answer, so I guess youcould sayI had pretty high hopes for it. To my disapointment it honestly come acrossed exactly how the reviwer suggests. It has a lot of potential but just doesn't get everything out. Basically this is an ok album, I'd say "to buy used" but I find myself buying everything used.

One question though, Does the dude from Against me ! sing on one of thier songs? I thought i heard himin there once btI can't find it now.

this is an absolutely amazing record. i can't believe i waited this long to pick it up.

that brawl in guelph was the shit! huge bouncers vs skinny un healthy punk rawk dudes, all over a stupid argument about whos better, white zombie or outkast !!! funny, dangerous and fun

Personally, I like Fat simply because the percentage of good bands on the label is much higher than others. The bands affect my love for the label, not vice versa.
There are bands I don't like on Fat, but there are a lot that I do like.
Thing is, some of us still like skate punk and midwestern punk rock, and Fat's one of the few labels bringing that on a large scale.

fuck the last comment, man you don't know them and you think that everything in the 80's was better anyway. Fuck you man, 80's are over and the Sainte-Catherine rules.

"to those who shrug it off, i'm sure fall out boy needs they're dicks sucked a little harder, so get on your knees and prepare."

So if you dont like this band, you like Fall Out Boy? Yeah. Because this shit is so intense. The absolute pinnacle of punk rock.

Do yourself a favor and go check out Dischord Records. Maybe some of their releases in the 80's can help adjust your perspective on what meaningful music is.

I think it's more the case that people find out a band is on Fat, they decide they are good, no matter what.

A lot of the newer stuff they've been releasing is pretty questionable. This is average, Smoke Or Fire was atrocious, Against me and Propagandhi have both released pretty terrible albums. The Loved Ones are just plain bad, as are that love = death thing. The only Fat have going is a pretty good TLA album and that decent Western Addiction album. Maybe even the new Nofx.

But probably not....

is it just me or people don't even care what bands are on fat, they assume they're bad?

some people need to focus less on labels more on music. yeah. that could do the trick.

still probably one of the best, if not THE best records to be released this year. i've said it many times before, the sainte catherines are one of the only bands that still generally matter, because we are plagued with bands who generally have their focus set on things other then music (eyeliner, they're pants, sun glasses maybe) and i think these are genunine people. i got to share a few drinks with them last year in sault sainte marie, and learned that they're a fucking amazing group of guys. maybe that has an influence on my decision, but regardless, this band has always put out incredible music, that is truely honest, provocative, energetic and up-lifting. to those who shrug it off, i'm sure fall out boy needs they're dicks sucked a little harder, so get on your knees and prepare.

Hey adam that dudes comment way earlier about your referencing Hot Water Music was because you typed 'How Water Music'. Hot not How.

are you nuts? this record is everything but boring, for fuck sakes its way better then anything they have done before.

along with the loved ones and TLA this is one of the best releases this year

GO FAT GO

I am going to give a reality check score right now. This band produced the most boring record I have heard in a long time. I had high hopes for this too. So watered down, so polished, this band doesn't have a chance to make a career out of this. Pass.

good band

solid record, a lot petter then the art of arrogance, which only had 4 good songs.

One of there songs sound like no direction by BR

right now, there are very few bands who can touch the sainte catherines live show, this band has so much heart, it's amazing to see them live. its like a big group hug with tons of pile ons and sing alongs

also some of the friendliest dudes I've met at shows

"i've been friends with these dirty punks for a while, toured with them, stole food and beer with them and slept in unheated vans with them in the middle of winnipeg winters. These guys deserve to be where they are and if you think otherwise then you get off your ass and give up everything in your life to do something you love as much as they love playing music.

They don't interact with the crowd because they don't care about what the the crowd thinks, they are there because they love what they are doing, if you love it then sing alone, if not then fuck off.

-Billy "the stranger" Joel"

Because man...giving up everything to play music is a fucking sacrifice. I'm crying for how misunderstood these musicians are.

i've been friends with these dirty punks for a while, toured with them, stole food and beer with them and slept in unheated vans with them in the middle of winnipeg winters. These guys deserve to be where they are and if you think otherwise then you get off your ass and give up everything in your life to do something you love as much as they love playing music.

They don't interact with the crowd because they don't care about what the the crowd thinks, they are there because they love what they are doing, if you love it then sing alone, if not then fuck off.

-Billy "the stranger" Joel

I like this record so much, if you are into this band check out yersterday's ring, it has the same members doin' country and western, it is pretty good if you are into that

This is a great album.

Fat is getting better. When you will see this band live, with the news song.,you will understand why Against Me!, The Lawrence Arms, Suicide Machines, Good Riddance, Stike Anywhere love them.

Hahaha, okay I see what you mean now.

It's just that that's one of the things I love about D4 is that it seems they're the only band that can have these ridiculous, seemingly unrelated song titles, yet they almost all have something to do with the song. Everyone else just throws a title on a song.

Nit pick nit pick nit pick...

I don't doubt that the title of the song may in some way have a thematic, spiritual or ectoplasmic connection with the lyrics in the song, I'm just saying the band favours big, often humorous, song titles that don't directly reflect the lyrical content in a directly obvious way.

Yeesh.

-adam

"Most of the song titles have little to do with the song lyrics. This is why I mentioned the D4 influence."

Actually, I think a lot of D4's songs have a lot to do with the lyrics. Even if it's a stretch, the title always relates to the lyrics in some way, unlike most bands with long silly titles. I don't know from this band, though. I have yet to purchase it.

along with western addiction, the sainte catherines are by far one of my favourite release on fat this past year.

solid punk rock record

this album is just a really really good album.

amazing punk rock

This band has 3 guitarists. Is that necessary for this type of music?

Well, regardless, it's a pretty solid release. I likes! Eh?

Isn't this band French Canadian? It might explain why they don't interact too well with the audience... Not saying anything about the French, but if their first language isn't English there could be problems.

I did not understand this comment. I mean french is my first language and people at the Sainte-catherine's show mush like any other cities. As I know the Saint-catherine, they just don't like any kind of violence so their shows are more like a big punk community event

Ps:. And we (french) do understand english, you guys don't leave us choise anyway (too many good music and dirty politics)

overrated

"the song title burn Guelph burn has NOTHING TO DO with burning down the city of guelph....Read the lyrics

ps Adam did you read the lyrics?"

Most of the song titles have little to do with the song lyrics. This is why I mentioned the D4 influence. I realize that song has nothing to do with the city of Guelph, but since I was mentioning the city of Guelph and the words "Burn Guelph Burn" are in the title to the first song on the record we're talking about, it seemed like a fun little way to open the sentence.

-adam

"I'm thinking this works the same way as when I show my sister anything and she says it sounds like "all that other stuff you listen to." Whether it be The Constantines or AAA, it all sounds the same. Thats how Fat Works for me. All the bands you guys just namedropped (except for AM! of course) are bands I dont like. They all sound the same to me. Maybe its because I never liked Jawbreaker or NOFX or Bad Religion or Hot Water Music and all these bands seem to take inspiration from them.

This just doesnt strike me as immediate, angry, or anything else it is attempting to be. It just sounds like a band going through the paces its supposed to and a guy twisting the knobs the way he does every other time. Nothing special and thats probably worse then being straight out bad."

don't agree with your tastes but your point is very eloquently put. why am i typing this? everyone slates everyone else on here but you wrote an excellent response so thought you deserved some credit

on another notice how D4's lyrics on the last 2 albums aren't as good as they were on midwestern?

Everybody's namedropping FAT bands to try and show how they're going in a different direction from the '90's, but your forgetting the Western Addiction full length. I think that is one of the better Fat releases in a while, and most diffrent from any band they've put out.

i love guelph!
home town pride!

the song title burn Guelph burn has NOTHING TO DO with burning down the city of guelph....Read the lyrics

ps Adam did you read the lyrics?

Why do they want to burn Guelph down?

MORE DOTS!!

That thing is hillarious.

"I'm thinking this works the same way as when I show my sister anything and she says it sounds like "all that other stuff you listen to." Whether it be The Constantines or AAA, it all sounds the same. Thats how Fat Works for me. All the bands you guys just namedropped (except for AM! of course) are bands I dont like. They all sound the same to me. Maybe its because I never liked Jawbreaker or NOFX or Bad Religion or Hot Water Music and all these bands seem to take inspiration from them.

This just doesnt strike me as immediate, angry, or anything else it is attempting to be. It just sounds like a band going through the paces its supposed to and a guy twisting the knobs the way he does every other time. Nothing special and thats probably worse then being straight out bad."

I respectfully disagree with most of what you said, but it makes sense.

how do you figure there's an agaist me cult of personality?

i love the reccord, reminds me of from ashes rise meets avail but more melodic and cqatchier without being poppy.

I'm thinking this works the same way as when I show my sister anything and she says it sounds like "all that other stuff you listen to." Whether it be The Constantines or AAA, it all sounds the same. Thats how Fat Works for me. All the bands you guys just namedropped (except for AM! of course) are bands I dont like. They all sound the same to me. Maybe its because I never liked Jawbreaker or NOFX or Bad Religion or Hot Water Music and all these bands seem to take inspiration from them.

This just doesnt strike me as immediate, angry, or anything else it is attempting to be. It just sounds like a band going through the paces its supposed to and a guy twisting the knobs the way he does every other time. Nothing special and thats probably worse then being straight out bad.

"Awesome. I'm a scenester because I think that every FaTwReChOrD sounds like watered down sugar coated pop shit with slick identical sounding production. Forget this albums tracks running together, the whole lables catalogue runs together. "

When you say something like that, it makes me think you haven't listened to anything on Fat since Ryan Greene produced all of their albums. I mean, I know you have, but that's what it sounds like. Everything they put out did sound exactly the same back then. I think they took the relative diversity of Honest Don's (Diesel Boy, J Church and Nerf Herder sound a lot different from each other compared to how similar Lagwagon and NUFAN are) and ran with it since then, though. You can't honestly tell me that the production on Situationist Comedy and Oh! Calcutta! sound "slick". The production on those two albums, The Saint Catherines, The Loved Ones, Against Me!, The Soviettes and Smoke Or Fire, just to name a few, are so drastically different from each other.

Solid band, solid album. Songs run together a bit but its the kind of album that you realize the band behind it probably delivers an amazing show. I bet if I saw them live I would love this even more.

As for the debate about FAT vs Epitaph, I think the two labels are competely different. How can you even join the two? There is nothing similar about their current rosters whatsoever!

Fat's roster, though people here debate about different bands, is really diverse and personally some of my favorite bands are on Fat now. Epitaph seems to have left the old Epitaph sound behind in favor of the "sounds of the moment", which is fine if thats what you like. The term "EpiFat" makes no sense at this point.

Epitaph would have never signed The Sainte Catherines. Not at this point.

"Awesome. I'm a scenester because I think that every FaTwReChOrD sounds like watered down sugar coated pop shit with slick identical sounding production. Forget this albums tracks running together, the whole lables catalogue runs together."

You're exaggerating. Fat's releases are infinitely less polished than any of the pop-emo/screamo stuff floating around today. In addition, Fat's best bands, while having similar sounds, are unique in to themselves. As the Eternal Cowboy, Oh Calcutta! and Situationist Comedy are all three significantly different, fantastic records.

Also, look back at what was the Fat Wreck sound of the 90s and look at what they're putting out now. It's totally different. So the label has bands that are similar, so do some of the best punk labels out there, and they've gone in a different direction in the past few years They're definitely not holding on to their old sound, if that's what you're trying to imply.

Such resentment...

Awesome. I'm a scenester because I think that every FaTwReChOrD sounds like watered down sugar coated pop shit with slick identical sounding production. Forget this albums tracks running together, the whole lables catalogue runs together. The only CD in recent memory I can remember liking from Fat is Against Me!'s "As the Eternal Cowboy".

And your right about the Epitaph and Fat thing. Thats just a habit. I cant really help that Epitaph decided to jump onto the next trend while Fat keeps trying to suck the life out of the last one.

I remember I was going to go to that show but was pissed because NMB wasn't playing so we went to a strip club for halloween instead.

I did see them with Against Me! last year though and was impressed so I picked this up. Pretty good.

"You can blame me for that one. Adam and Aubin always seem to use no commas whatsoever so I put some in to give the sentences some breaths."

That's because Brian's a small guy with little lungs who needs to breath more during a sentence than those of us with big hearty lungs do.

-adam

This is pretty good, maybe a bit too forgettable.

Reviewer needs to use more commas, eh?

You can blame me for that one. Adam and Aubin always seem to use no commas whatsoever so I put some in to give the sentences some breaths.

I got this record in the mail not too long ago, and I love it, really looking forward to seeing them live.

Personnaly, I think that this record is excellent!

If you think it doesn't fit in a Fat crew, you're probably right. This kind of band was what Fat was needing, leaving a little bit behind Catchy bands singing about girlfriends. Yeah! The singer talk about love but in a different way.

For me it is a positive act to Fat's World.

"1) you reviewed the band not the cd 2)how water music?"

1) See the third paragraph and the latter half of the second. Particularly the part that starts with "THIS RECORD..." I thought that was pretty obvious skippy.

Sorry if you were expecting a book report on the lyrics, but when a relatively "unknown" band makes their debut on a big label it's nice to give some context.

2) I referenced Hot Water Music's vocal approach and their aestetic. That was very clear in the record prior to this one. I also make the point that this one moves away from that a bit. Again, context.

-adam

listened to it today...mediocre...not bad but on the other hand not very good

1) you reviewed the band not the cd

2)how water music?

And by the way GreenVandal....the term "Epifat" is so mid-90's....

Epitaph and Fat now have COMPLETELY different rosters.

You gotta stay current to keep your scenester status, brah.

GreenVandal -

Seriously, what is your problem with Fat? I'm not saying love everything, but you seem to shit on an album just because that label releases it. Did Fat Mike fuck your girlfriend or something?

The Art of Arrogance was so much better than this. That album was was so dense and dirty and.....well, punk rock. This sounds like every other epifat band. A waste.

This album has been on heavier rotation ever since I got it. Definately will be one of my top albums for 2006

This is the first material I'd heard of this band and they're really good.

Reviewer needs to use more commas, eh?

Will, as far as I know they are bilingual, Montreal is a very bilingual city.
Plus they write their lyrics in English and do a pretty good job with it so I don't think language is the issue here.

I'm seeing them with No Trigger on Saturday. At first I was only going for No Trigger but then got this cd and, wow. This band rules.

I want this, I liked the one song. I don't have any money though. I mean, I could use rent money or charge it, but if it isn't a GREAT ass cd, then it's just not worth it. Seems like people like it, but don't think it's anything special.

Oh, I remember catching the AG!/FHH/SC/OMG tour in Toronto and kids were running around with... what are they called? Sparklers? Those sticks with fire at the end. I feared for my life.

INSANE! 4/5

really.

I'd rather be part of the dying.. seem fun live with the awesome chorus

us against the music rock hard

Confession of A Revolutionary sound wicked, the best song IMO

can't wait to see these guys with subhumans in ottawa

Isn't this band French Canadian? It might explain why they don't interact too well with the audience... Not saying anything about the French, but if their first language isn't English there could be problems.

-Will

I'm quite interested in checking this out. Though I may wait to find a used copy.

And is that show that Adam described the well known Halloween brawl show? If so, I wish I could have been there....not so much for the fight, but it sounds like a good line up.
-Dante

best record i bought in the last 3 months

Fucking...love...this...album.

Its got a little something for everyone.

Pope-
As for songs blurring together, I took that as a good thing. Very good track flow.

This is an OK band, nothing special, but pretty good. Like the review said, very HWM-ish.

I like all the songs on this album, but not as a whole. They're good for mixtapes and randomized playlists, but when I listen to the album, it tends to blur together.

this is a really good album

bad review...this album deserve ***** (more stars!)

Where's this review?