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Dead to Fall

Dead to Fall: The Phoenix ThroneThe Phoenix Throne (2006)
Victory Records

Reviewer Rating: 4.5
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Contributed by: crazytoledocrazytoledo
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Dead to Fall's third full-length release on Victory Records is easily the best effort by Chicago's metal masters. The band amazingly is still going on even though they like to play musical chairs with their lineup. Though the lineup is once again completely different, the band's really starting to c.
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Dead to Fall's third full-length release on Victory Records is easily the best effort by Chicago's metal masters. The band amazingly is still going on even though they like to play musical chairs with their lineup. Though the lineup is once again completely different, the band's really starting to come around this time. On both Everything I Touch Falls to Pieces and Villainy and Virtue, the overall experience was mediocre at best, with the highlights hidden behind a wave of mediocrity and average at best songwriting. The Phoenix Throne is one hell of an improvement over this band's earlier work.

On Dead to Fall's first full-length, they had a strong Swedish influence, which they down played to a more 'mosh-friendly' approach on Villainy and Virtue. Phoenix thankfully gets the mix done right, with Dead to Fall completely nailing the Swedish-influenced riffs and still retaining a few breakdowns throughout. The best example of Dead to Fall's improvement is on "Heroes." The song starts off like one cut from their last release, then the dueling Swedish melodic guitars sneak in and creates a killer structure. The melodic solo is only icing on the ever-so-tasty cake.

Another problem with Dead to Fall was mediocrity and John Hunt's vocals. The similar sounding song structures and Hunt's monotonous vocals crafted a piece that could easily dull their listeners to sleep. Thankfully, these problems are fixed for the most part. While the songs on Phoenix are better at separating and sounding different, Hunt's vocals are still a little bit too monotonous, even though he now switches his shriek up from time to time.

Coming into the experience I expected an average at best album hurt by lacking songwriting. Thankfully, Dead to Fall overcame this problem. Also, their artwork should once again draw in new fans, as it's one of the year's best so far.

Dead to Fall's The Phoenix Throne has led to an effective 1-2 metalcore punch by Victory Records, with both Atreyu and Dead to Fall releasing discs within a week of each other. In the end, if you ever had even a slight interest in Dead to Fall, pick this up, because this is easily their best work to date and solves almost all of their previous shortcomings.

 

 
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crazytoledo (August 19, 2006)

10x better than this and this stuff's very good.

Anonymous (August 16, 2006)

I think many of you are either crack smoking metal heads or you're just plain retarded. And just for the record Between The Buried And me sucks balls Just like Dragonforce

crazytoledo (July 26, 2006)

It's Between the Buried and Me.

EyesLikeBombs (July 16, 2006)

Darkest Hour really isn't good enough for me to care what genre they are. Hot damn.

And if metalcore doesn't exist, what would you consider Beyond The Buried And Me? You can't honestly say they're metal, hardcore, or even progrock.

crazytoledo (June 24, 2006)

Darkest Hour had breakdowns. Their pre-Undoing Ruin era stuff was metalcore. But 'Undoing Ruin' is metal.

Leatherface_45 (June 23, 2006)

DARKEST HOUR is thrash metal...there is no way around it...they have no breakdowns...which is influenced from hardcore...but since evryone here has a PH.D in musicthen what is Darkest Hour then...and dont answer "a shitty band"...fuckin kids...

crazytoledo (June 18, 2006)

Darkest Hour mainstream?

It cracks me up that because a band is well known around the metal/punk/hardcore crowd that they're considered mainstream or popular. You made my day.

Anonymous (June 18, 2006)

RKL...

No one is saying this isn't metal because it's on Victory.

We're saying that real metal is completely different sounding than this crap. And yeah, there is such a thing as metalcore. You see, it grew out of the crossover scene of the late 80's with a little band called Rorschach, and a very influential band called Converge that formed in the early 90's. It's a mix of hardcore and metal.

rkl, don't hate just because you don't have the knowledge.

At best, this band and Darkest Hour are shitty mainstream metal. Listen to Mayhem.

moneenerd (June 18, 2006)

whouldnt = shouldn't

moneenerd (June 18, 2006)

Also, MISERY INDEX is a metal band, up and down. Ive seen these guys live. Theres nothing fucking scene about these motherfuckers. Even when speaking to the crowd, the vocalist growls in death metal fashion.

Popularity and big media exposure whouldnt lessen one's ability to BE metal. Thats fucking ridiculous.

moneenerd (June 18, 2006)

Ok. SO let's just SAY that bands like Darkest Hour and Dead To Fall are actual, real, solid, straight-up metal bands.

But if they are to sign with a label like VICTORY, that would imply that they are trying to appeal to the hardcore crowd. I mean, VICTORY is a hardcore music label. Well, at least that's what they tell us when theyre not throwing Hawthorne Heights albums in our faces!

ANyway, so why would big metal monsters like DH and DTF wanna join a label who, for the most part, is made up of entirely hardcore or post-hardcore acts?

Hmmm. Maybe cuz they want to be in the hardcore scene? They wanna be known as a metalcore band? I dunno. Thats my assumption.

It's like signing to METAL BLADE records when your in a screamo band. Look at As I Lay Dying? The only reason they havent been brought up in this metalcore discussion is because they are on METALBLADE RECORDS. If they were on VISTORY or BRIDGE 9, it would be a totally different story.

crazytoledo (June 18, 2006)

I haven't even seen Misery Index on headbanger's ball and I only watch HBB occasionly... Last videos I saw on it where by Silent Civilian and Phoenix Mourning.

Anonymous (June 16, 2006)

I love this album! Dead to Fall know what they are doing.

JLJL (June 16, 2006)

Just because its on the Headbanger's ball doesn't mean you should jock it. Seriously, what's up with all the metalcore kids liking Misery Index?

rkl (June 16, 2006)

misery index(starring a good portion of dying fetus) is a metal band as well, you stupid shits.

as is darkest hour, dead to fall, etc. theres no such thing as metalcore.

will, you prove yourself more and more an idiot with every post you make.

crazytoledo (June 15, 2006)

Wonderful typos...

Anyways, I also listen to Refused, Millencolin, Bouncing Souls, NOFX, etc.

Honestly, at least I'm not one of the kids obsessing over Hawthorne Heights, Aiden, and From First to Last.

SlowStupidHungry (June 15, 2006)

I don't know about "At Tha Gates," but I'm starting to suspect that you're just a messageboard troll with every post you make. If that's the case, please stop wasting your time writing phony reviews.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

no, between the buried and me is a bad clone of a lot of vastly superior mathy metalcore bands. if this is what you think is metal, then you don't have a proper background and education in metal and hardcore. this is why you're reviewing and jocking such shit. because you apparently don't know where this is coming from, and that leads to you sounding really ignorant and like some goddamn kid that discovered hardcore 6 months ago and is suddenly acting like an expert.

crazytoledo (June 15, 2006)

Posted by WilliamMarinovic on 2006-06-15 13:57:54

I always love it when newbies try to namedrop.


I wasn't name dropping. Besides Cannibal Corpse, I own cds by all of those bands (the last two Darkest Hour cds, BTBAM's 'Alaska' and 'Anatomy of,' and the new Misery Index cd).

And all of the bands are metal. You'd probably consider At Tha Gates metal right? Well then you'd also have to call Darkest Hour metal too.

And Between the Buried and Me is metal, it's a little out there, with a lot of influences, but it's metal.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

"Darkest Hour, Between the Buried and Me, Misery Index, Cannibal Corpse (kinda like 'em), etc.

I do listen to real metal. Sometimes."

of those bands only canibal corpse is an actual metal band (and a shitty one at that) and you only "kinda like 'em". seriously though, i'm not trying to be an asshole, but this shit you're jocking is garbage and represents everything that is trend-jumping and tired in heavy music right now. you really need to give yourself an education and stop following/reviewing this shit.

SlowStupidHungry (June 15, 2006)

I always love it when newbies try to namedrop. Misery Index is the only thing on your list close to actual metal, and even that is stretching it a bit (they are more in with the crust crowd).

Seriously, if I didn't know of people like CrazyToledo in real life, I'd think he was the greatest troll ever. Sadly, though, this terrible taste in music is all too real, and all we can hope for is that his ignorance will subside into okay music (and don't hold your breath, because most people on this site aren't even anywhere close to that yet).

crazytoledo (June 15, 2006)

Posted by GreenVandal on 2006-06-14 20:08:08
My Score:

also...what the fuck is up with your obsession with cover art all of a sudden? No one buys records based on cover art. It makes a nice bonus but it is not going to affect the actual quality of the record.

You desperately need to listen to a real metal band.


Darkest Hour, Between the Buried and Me, Misery Index, Cannibal Corpse (kinda like 'em), etc.

I do listen to real metal. Sometimes.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

Will,

Start your own website. We're sick of your stupid bitching.

Love,
Everyone

GreenVandal (June 14, 2006)

also...what the fuck is up with your obsession with cover art all of a sudden? No one buys records based on cover art. It makes a nice bonus but it is not going to affect the actual quality of the record.

You desperately need to listen to a real metal band.

GreenVandal (June 14, 2006)

When is this shit gonna end?

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

metalcore - heavy metal hardcore

most of the time sounds like overproduced and superficial garbage. if you try to combine converge and judas priest, you'll most likely come up with something that sounds like atreyu.

hence overproduced and superficial garbage.

Don't compare Converge to atreyu, that's like comparing the flu to aids.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

wouldn't that be like ^2?

like propagandhi^2 > your dumbass boner band, etc

SlowStupidHungry (June 13, 2006)

"Deadfall > Dead to Fall

Can I add an exponent to a "greater than" sign? If I can, cube the above function.

-Ken"

:)

Ken? gladimnotemo?

I'm not really sure there's anyone else who posts here with something resembling a decent taste in music.

bombshoes (June 13, 2006)

"their artwork should once again draw in new fans"

because, so very often, kids buy cds because of the pretty cover, regardless of the music inside.

coldwaffles (June 13, 2006)

so, does crazy review non-victory releases?

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

cave in is still better than all this metalcore hooha.

ive gota admit,i loved 'everything i touch falls to pieces.'...it was just soo cheesy that well..it was good.

-bryan styles

moneenerd (June 13, 2006)

this guy gave the same score for the new ATREYU but then goes and bashes a band like AIDEN. you're as inconsistent as I am. SHEESH!

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

Deadfall > Dead to Fall

Can I add an exponent to a "greater than" sign? If I can, cube the above function.

-Ken

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

oh dear god, you are in desperate need of musical taste. you jock everything that is wrong in heavy music right now.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

This score is for having a song called "Chum Fiesta" and the disgusting images it conjures in my head.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

Fucking horrible, kill these pussys.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

and then of course there's "hardcore punk!" too, but if you compare heroin to black flag you can easily make out which one should really be called "hardcore"

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

metalcore - heavy metal hardcore

most of the time sounds like overproduced and superficial garbage. if you try to combine converge and judas priest, you'll most likely come up with something that sounds like atreyu.

hence overproduced and superficial garbage.

rkl (June 13, 2006)

(yes, if you play metal, and are on Victory records, youre a metalcore band)
thanks for reinforcing my opinion that "metalcore"'s meaning is "metal for kids too scene to tell people they like metal."

moneenerd (June 13, 2006)

Ive tried to like these guys but just cant feel it. Metalcore (yes, if you play metal, and are on Victory records, youre a metalcore band) has become so boring and has easily been the genre to burn out the fastest in the last few years.

In my opinion, the last 2 decent albums of this sort have been the last Camilla Rhodes record, and Misery Signals' "Magnum Heart". Everything after seems so... i dunno, unimportant.

If you wanna hear a great band that has been doing this whole Swedish metal with a hardcore flavor thing for years before any Victory bands have, do yourself a favor and find Negate's "Enemy" album.

colin (June 13, 2006)

4. [victory joke]

hahahaha well played superdude

i can't see myself giving this one a chance.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

4. [victory joke]

haaaaahaha

rkl (June 13, 2006)

Dante: this is a damn good metal album. toledo gets bonus points for not having the suffix "core" anywhere in the review. i dont know about a 9 either, but punknews doesnt allow for 8.5

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I'm almost tempted to make an account just to write a proper review for every album that you faultily portray.

superdude (June 13, 2006)

This review was pretty good, but here's how I'd make it better:

1. Chicago's metal masters? AHEM - Smashing Pumpkins

2. That Jame Frey guy's second book was set in Chicago, and he said much of it is fabricated. I wonder if Chicago is one of those fabrications.

3. I don't know, I've never been there.

4. [victory joke]

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

did nights like these get their name from the lucero song?

they're from the same town, so i'd assume they know each other.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I almost was the first, but I thought it was so obvious that my fingers refused to even bother typing those words.

Dante3000 (June 13, 2006)

I'll be the first to make the obvious, "Did he give another Victory release a nine?" comment.
However I kind of liked Everything I touch falls to pieces and the V and V one, so this may be alright.
But a nine? I'm not sure
-Dante

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

Commenting on your own review, and having it be the first comment? For shame, good sir.

crazytoledo (June 13, 2006)

Hmm...

Damn...

Anyway, this is a good release, but Nights Like These new cd is so much better.

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