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AFI: DecemberundergroundDecemberunderground (2006)
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Reviewer Rating: 2.5
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Contributed by: colincolin
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I really tried to like this album. I really did. You see, I'm not even a huge AFI fan. I love The Art of Drowning, but I can't claim knowledge of every song the band has released. I do know that I like a lot of what I've heard, and I know that over 100 songs were written for this record. I was hopin.
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I really tried to like this album. I really did. You see, I'm not even a huge AFI fan. I love The Art of Drowning, but I can't claim knowledge of every song the band has released. I do know that I like a lot of what I've heard, and I know that over 100 songs were written for this record. I was hoping for something epic, that AFI would release their American Idiot. Or at least something substantial and worth the wait. Instead, I end up asking myself, "This is it?"

If a band writes so many songs and these are the best of them all, I'd hate to hear the rest. When I put the album in, I half-expected to hear Nas drop a rhyme with the beat in the beginning of "Prelude 12/21." I expected the liner notes say that the vocalist of Atreyu guest stars for "Kill Caustic," because that sure isn't the Davey Havoc growl I know. It saddens me to say it, but the Green Day-esque "Miss Murder" ended up being one of my favorite songs on the album, although at a mere 3:20, it still overextended its stay a bit.

After the first few songs is where the album gets interesting. The real inspirations for the record come shining through in production and a bit more than just a tip of the hat to more beat-oriented bands of the past. While I respect AFI's desire to change and evolve, I wouldn't call this an evolution in the right direction. It's sort of like growing wings when you're living underwater; it just doesn't work. It's not that it's horrible or hard to listen to -- the melodies and beats in "Summer Shudder" are great for a band like the Killers or the Bravery or any other of the numerous bands that have climbed to success with dance-oriented tunes, but this isn't A Fire Inside. At one point during "The Missing Frame," Davey sings, "Put out the fire inside me." I believe this album has done just that; it's put out A Fire Inside. There are hints of a few embers and ashes remaining, but this band is all but extinguished from the force this band used to represent.

I do have my guilty pleasures on this disc. "The Interview" is absolute gold. The production is subtle and the self-restraint the song shows echoes of gems of yesteryear like "Morningstar." The first beginning to "Love Like Winter" is decent enough, but then quickly falls apart into a mess of the type of music that most of us started listening to punk to avoid hearing on the radio. "Endlessly She Said" is probably the closest the album is to older AFI, and one of the strongest tracks. However, other than those few points, the rest of the album is just a mess.

Another big distraction is a lot of these songs are long. I love my fair share of long songs, the kind that keep you captivated from beginning to end. Unfortunately, the five-and-a-half minute "Affliction" and the nearly five-minute "Missing Frame" are, well, just sort of boring. "Kiss and Control" has the potential to be a pretty amazing song if it was just sped up a little bit, or at least ditched the horrid little spoken word breakdown at the end. But slow tempos and more measures alone do not make a song epic. There also seems to be a disconnect of cohesiveness between the music and the lyrical content; when you're singing, "It's killing time again," and the music sounds in a closer vein to "Baby One More Time" than "Sacrifice Theory," it doesn't make sense.

One thing this album will do is sell an amazing amount of copies. But this is another example of a divisive record that will alienate a majority of the audience that helped get AFI to where they are now. And, like I said, I'm no diehard AFI fan. I like what I've heard in the past, but to me, this isn't an AFI album. For a disposable pop record with a few hooks in the right spots and a couple songs that might make it to a summer driving mix tape, it's got what it needs. But for an AFI record, one where the band spent months recording an incredible amount of songs, I expected so much more.

 

 
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Chaosweaver144 (March 25, 2010)

I'm feeling a little too generous with that half star there, I should knock it down to 2 stars.

Chaosweaver144 (March 25, 2010)

It's okay. For me, it has 3 stand-out tracks. I think that Jade's electronica additions to the album fit extremely well and sounded really nice. I was never crazy about Sing The Sorrow, so I wasn't let down too much. Miss Murder is too pop for me, it seems that this track was made a certain way on purpose to attract new fans. Simple, catchy, but not very deep. At least some of this stuff was still unique. I can't dislike this album.

AFIrulez1 (July 29, 2008)

I love I wanna get a mohawk

TD99 (July 10, 2008)

Does anyone even remember I Wanna Get A Mohawk?

Fallen_leaves (November 30, 2007)

I felt this album was incredibly poor. I thought the fact the album was going to have more electronic elements would be a good thing. but it turns out its just radio friendly dance shit. 2 songs on this album are decent but besides that its garbage.

Laur (December 19, 2006)

ehhh, i think its good. i find it funny how a bunch of assholes get on here and whine and bitch about bands that whine and bitch through their songs...ha.

Anonymous (June 27, 2006)

"fuck afi. i dont like them anymore. meh...all i listen to is propagandhi ehhh"....you guys suck. its people like the people on this website that make the scene look like a bunch of fucking losers who just hate on things. you never really give anything outside of your little circle a chance. punk is changing my friends, and i think you guys better open your eyes a little. the bands are getting tired of writing the same songs over and over again (except for pennywise, who've been doing that for ever now).

Anonymous (June 18, 2006)

Who's the hot goth chick?

Anonymous (June 18, 2006)

AFi is one of my favorite bands and whenever i hear their name or music it makes my heart beat even faster. i love them and i have to say like the anonymous person that commented earlier true AFI fans should respect the change. AFI is a great band a lot better than some bands that when they are recording they change the voice to make it osund better AFI doesn't do that listen to their song miss murder and then watch themiss murder performance on the mtv movie awards 2006 (movieawards.mtv.com) they sound so much alike they are so good and thats all i have to say

-Kylie

Anonymous (June 18, 2006)

"That's pretty much what this website is. Unless its some shitty post-hardcore band, it normally gets a bad review. Not many exceptions."

you make no sense, afi already got a really good review on this site last week. i think you are ignorant of how this site runs reviews. you should write some, if you think good bands are getting a bad rep. this site allows for multiple viewpoints....and then you have to consider, some albums really are just shitty, but your comment, on this review, really makes no sense, considering, this album already recieved a well written positive review

moneenerd (June 18, 2006)

That's pretty much what this website is. Unless its some shitty post-hardcore band, it normally gets a bad review. Not many exceptions.

Shut the fuck up, listen to the new Cancer Bats album, and leave us alone.

AFI has resorted to ripping off Marilyn Manson now, from the haircut, right down to the Nazi-like music video. "Miss Murder"? How fuckin weak and cliche is that?!

JoshuaScene (June 17, 2006)

I think this album is amazing......although i miss alot of elements from the older stuff, i love that they are trying new stuff ....so if you dont like this album then that is on you but whatever happened to supporting a band you like for whatever they do.

Anonymous (June 17, 2006)

"Doesn't anyone get sick of all of the negative reviews on this website? Why doesn't anyone like anything? I would like to see a really positive review that shows that someone would be objective and not so crappy about everything!"

That's pretty much what this website is. Unless its some shitty post-hardcore band, it normally gets a bad review. Not many exceptions.

Welcome to "I'm to scene for you".

ky10 (June 17, 2006)

I couldn't agree with that review more. I am and have been an Afi fan for about 8 years now but what I heard come out of my speakers hurt my ears. Afi is so much better than that, I just think its a matter of Afi focusing on things other than their music!

Anonymous (June 16, 2006)

AFI has always bitten the bean bag, now they just bite alot harder. You cant have that hairstyle hes rockn and wear makeup and be cool at the same time, you just cant. I bet this album will help him get a bunch more guys #s though. Theres bunnies on the cover for christ sake.

Anonymous (June 16, 2006)

Wesssssssssiiiiiiiiiiiiidddeee

polaroidpose (June 16, 2006)

At least the negativity is honest.

I just can't get into this.

beth (June 15, 2006)

Doesn't anyone get sick of all of the negative reviews on this website? Why doesn't anyone like anything? I would like to see a really positive review that shows that someone would be objective and not so crappy about everything!

beth (June 15, 2006)

You can not go big label and not be over produced! It is impossible to come out sounding like you did before! Give them some credit!

Deadpan (June 15, 2006)

does anyone remember when punknews was actually a good site. now its just been overrun by whinny bitches!

Punknews has been overrun by some bizarre female-dog-horse hybrid? Good lord, that is indeed terrible!

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

does anyone remember when punknews was actually a good site. now its just been overrun by whinny bitches!

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

Same guy as below.

I gave it a 6, don't know why it didn't show.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

Starts off awesome (1-4), then gets weak (5-6), then gets pretty good again (7-9), and ends bad (10-12).

I think a "C " or "6" should suffice for this. Hope they'll still play a good share of old stuff though. Like, at least half pre-STS, half post-STS.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

AFI is officially "filling the slot" of the main A&R focus by their label for the time being, hence the large album sales. This album proves that if you spend enough money on production and marketing you will sell records. Weak Sauce is what they should have named this album, I think it is total disaster.

ManuelLabor13 (June 15, 2006)

amazing album.

Anonymous (June 15, 2006)

" It is a breath of fresh air from the whole Screamo/Victory Records movement"

because there are differences between AFI in makeup and photo shoots and Hawthorne heights, namely dating Davey Havok's mom would make me a gmilf hunter, while banging that dweeb from HH's sister would make me a pedophile.

I can't win either way. Once again, music written without my cock in mind.

And asexual rock is no ones evolution.

Because there is no evolution without the beast with two backs.

Which is ironic since rabbits mate so much. Listen to the bunnies davey, listen to their cadbury gash creaming song.

Then write lyrics to it.

wyzo

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

I think this album is absolutely amazing. I say that simply because AFI is a band that doesn't make the same record twice. Of course it sounds nothing like old AFI and I think that should be the point. Why would anyone want to hear the same album again. I think this idea of evolution has also come into play with the recent records from Thrice and even on a smaller scale, Matchbook Romance. This album is pretty damn good. It is a breath of fresh air from the whole Screamo/Victory Records movement.

moneenerd (June 14, 2006)

"I mean, would playing a few songs off of the first couple cds live really kill them?"

i'm pretty sure they still do...


I remember a friend telling me about how he had saw them in Quebec when "Art Of Drowning" just came out, and the first songs they played (in order) were STRENGTH THROUGH WOUNDING, HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL HERO, and then that PHOENIX song. WHo knows if thery still pull that shit now though.

fallingupwards84 (June 14, 2006)

"I mean, would playing a few songs off of the first couple cds live really kill them?"

i'm pretty sure they still do...

moneenerd (June 14, 2006)

Also, to VPOY and ATASF fans:

I believe I saw Davey Havok on that god awful channel Much Music the other day when he was asked about AFI's constant "evolution" as a band, he mentioned how embarassed and ashamed he was of making those two records, saying, and I quote, "Yeah.. I hope nobody in their right minds own those."

moneenerd (June 14, 2006)

I think the real problem is bands that start off with a good cult following who put a lot of blood, sweat, heart, and even money into each and everythign they do, be it going crazy at shows, or purchasing every album they put out, then years later that band decides that theyd rather create soemthing more diverse to attract a different crowd all together.

They call it "reaching a broader audience" but most of us take it as "we wanna quit our jobs, play music, and fuckin chicks for a living". Weither "stabbing fans in the back" is an accurate title or not, I can totally understand why it can get on the tits of many people.

I, however, am getting used to it.

anonymous (June 14, 2006)

I swear, if I hear or read "true fan" one more fucking time, im shooting up a post office. How about, "I like the record, here is why _____" or "I don't like it, here is why____" Instead of "This record sucks and anyone else who likes it is a faggot".. OR "If you dont like this new record your not a TRUE fan"

I could give a rats ass about your opinions, and I hope you don't give two shits about mine.

notfeelingcreative (June 14, 2006)

"this band owes you nothing, they didnt stab you in the back by changing their sound, its not like they collected all existing copies of black sails and burned them so you cant listen to it"

What the fuck page are you reading? I haven't read any post that demanded compensation for AFI sucking! What, people arent't allowed to complain when a band they've listen to for awhile abandons their sound for a new more marketable sound?!
Nobody's saying that AFI owes them something, they're just complaing that they don't like the new sound, people can do that, or didn't you know?

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

this band owes you nothing, they didnt stab you in the back by changing their sound, its not like they collected all existing copies of black sails and burned them so you cant listen to it

notfeelingcreative (June 14, 2006)

"they left the very proud of you sound well before they got any taste of the "rockstar" lifestyle, in fact , very proud of ya was more accesible than the sound they went on to in shut your mouth."

Ok, but my point wasn't necessarily in regards to that specific record, even "sing th sorrow" had some stuff that was still reminiscent of AFI's punk roots! I recognize that the lineup is completely different from "Very Proud Of Ya", however, I still find it suspicious that after "Sing The Sorrow" got huge they took the most logical direction that would probably sell the best.

What I'm trying to say, is that I think even putting out another record that sounded like "Art Of Drowning" would alienate some of their newly acquired fanbase, they couldn't go emo-pop (that wouyldn't fit them). So they went in this direction and their new fans love it! Don't get me wrong, I't doesn't matter to me, I've never been a huge AFI fan, but I don't believe that they would've put out the same record if they were still on Nitro and touring with 88 Fingers Louie.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

"christy is so cute, with that little heart"

And all the typos...

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

christy is so cute, with that little heart

clamum (June 14, 2006)

Oh shit. You got me. The lyrics to I Wanna Get a Mohawk and Miss Murder are quite different. There goes my whole argument.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

u guys all fucking suck. AFI effing rocks if are a true fan than respect there new music cause if makes no sense if u just stop fuckin liking the. soo shut the fuck up

♥christy

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

I think that a lot of the fans that AFI no longer cares about (ya know, the pre despair faction fans), are a little angry at this band for a few reasons. First off, I'm not even an "old" fan. I didn't start listening to them until the NItro comp with "A Single Second" on it. I alsodon't like VPOY or ATASF very much. I can see where the people who started off with them in the beginning could be a little upset though.

1. A lot of people who grow up loving hardcore in general don't like to see bands use hardcore as nothing more than a stepping stone to rock & roll stardom. EBHC? WTF?

2. It's great that they are finding the sound they want & making a career out of doing what they love, I like the new cd. But for gods sake, throw the old fans a bone!! I mean, would playing a few songs off of the first couple cds live really kill them?

I'm not comparing the bands, but U2 did the same thing to it's old fans in the early 90's. When Acthung Baby came out, they pissed off a lot of old fans because of the change in their sound & the fact that when they played live, the forgot that they even had albums called "Boy" or "October".
I'm done. I'd just like to see AFI be able to to what they want, make whatever music makes them happy. But at the same time remember the fans who were around when most of the Despair Faction were still listening to NSYNC.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

[i]"this album is absolute trash.

sigh. when did afi get so lame?

i miss black sails...."[/i]

Black Sails is absolute trash.

sigh. when did afi get so lame?

i miss very proud of ya...

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

You know how I know this CD sucks? My girlfriend, who mostly hates all the music I listen to, loves this cd. Yeah.

threechordsandthetruth (June 14, 2006)

Can everyone stop sucking the proverbial cocks of Very Proud Of Ya and Answer That..? Fuck, they had some good tracks, but almost every song sounded the same and were mostly crappy. They'd get shit like Pennywise do today if they still made those kinda records. AFI didn't get really good till Shut Yout Mouth.

xcarlupanddiex (June 14, 2006)

bah

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

thank god there are enough good punk bands so we all dont have to listen to this crap
get the fucked up cd- epics in minutes...its fuckin great

moneenerd (June 14, 2006)

A Female Inside

Jonnyrawker (June 14, 2006)

I've heard so many people shit all over this album but ya know what? I fucking LOVE it... no it aint Black Sails but appreciate it for what it is. A helluva catchy album... i havent been so addicted to and album like this since...well, Sing The Sorrow... Perhaps im biased... but i bloody well love this album.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

"I think we can all agree that if you like this album, you probably don't like punk music."

its called being open minded, just cause i listen to afi doesn't mean i can't like punk music too! what has this website come to, it has nothing to do with punk anymore, and now all you people do is gripe and moan about how someone looks or how terrible it is that they evoled! i want my old punknews back!

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

I think we can all agree that if you like this album, you probably don't like punk music.

Anonymous (June 14, 2006)

haha FAGS.

GreenVandal (June 14, 2006)

asking for it? ammonia feces indigestion? aragorn frees isingrad?

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

always faking it?

wow. dont quit your day job, coming up with witty alternatives to acronyms is not your strong point, americanxidiot

americanXidiot (June 13, 2006)

always faking it will NEVER RELEASE ANYTHING AS GOOD AS AMERICAN IDIOT dont even think that ever again

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

three things

-the single gave me a really bad headache and i blacked out. when i woke up a homeless man was poking me outside 7-11 and i was going commando

-i'm not gonna lie, i got sing the sorrow to impress a girl. fucking waste of 12 bucks, i didn't get anything.

-when will i see a review for the sound of animals fighting? that cd's great.


all three of those are lies. horrible lies...unfunny lies that you thought would be funny....the worst kind of lies

bombshoes (June 13, 2006)

three things

-the single gave me a really bad headache and i blacked out. when i woke up a homeless man was poking me outside 7-11 and i was going commando

-i'm not gonna lie, i got sing the sorrow to impress a girl. fucking waste of 12 bucks, i didn't get anything.

-when will i see a review for the sound of animals fighting? that cd's great.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

aubin really said it best in his review (though i thought this review was well thought out and written as well). this band changes with every album. they started out with pretty straight forward skatepunk stuff, then when they started getting darker on shut your mouth and black sails people started hating on them, and again when 'days of the phoenix' was on tv and radio, and again when sing the sorrow came out, and of course again now.

colin (June 13, 2006)

P.S.- I didn't like the reference to American Idiot in this review. Green Day isn't a very good band in the first place, and American Idiot was by far their worst album. I would actually rather listen to Decemberunderground than American Idiot.

i don't know what i was thinking, comparing two bay area punk bands who signed to major labels and each produced majorly hyped records within the past few years.

feelings on green day aside, there is merit for comparison or i wouldn't have put it in there.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

"I miss Very Proud Of Ya. That was a good album. What happened to this band?"

I don't know for a fact, but my guess would be that they got a taste of the rockstar lifestyle and they fuking liked it! The style of music on "Very Proud of Ya" wouldn't really sell enough records for them to maintain that lifestyle, hardcore punk isn't very lucrative. I could be completely wrong, maybe they just wanted to go in a new direction, but my guess is they developed a sound that better fits their wallets!!


notfeelingcreative couldnt be more wrong

first, very proud of you contained different songwriters, half the band is different, and 2/3 of the band responsible for the instrumentation is different

they left the very proud of you sound well before they got any taste of the "rockstar" lifestyle, in fact , very proud of ya was more accesible than the sound they went on to in shut your mouth.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i think notfeelingcreative just hit the mark.

notfeelingcreative (June 13, 2006)

"I miss Very Proud Of Ya. That was a good album. What happened to this band?"

I don't know for a fact, but my guess would be that they got a taste of the rockstar lifestyle and they fuking liked it! The style of music on "Very Proud of Ya" wouldn't really sell enough records for them to maintain that lifestyle, hardcore punk isn't very lucrative. I could be completely wrong, maybe they just wanted to go in a new direction, but my guess is they developed a sound that better fits their wallets!!

Dante3000 (June 13, 2006)

This thread is funnier than the last 3 seasons of The Simpsons.
-Dante

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

"True fans huh? Then why did you just get into them at their 5th fuckin album?"

how can you judge a "true" fan by what album they started at?

it makes no fucking sense

in fact distinguishing "true" fans is pointless

TheYoungInfluential (June 13, 2006)

I miss Very Proud Of Ya. That was a good album. What happened to this band?

P.S.- I didn't like the reference to American Idiot in this review. Green Day isn't a very good band in the first place, and American Idiot was by far their worst album. I would actually rather listen to Decemberunderground than American Idiot.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

wasn't a huge fan of AFI previously, but I really like this album.

moneenerd (June 13, 2006)

i started listening to AFI at STS, and this album is so much better! Their old stuff is just not for me!

TRUE AFI FANS WILL STILL RESPECT THEIR NEW MUSIC AND KEEP FOLLOWING THE BAND!

Album of the year!!


True fans huh? Then why did you just get into them at their 5th fuckin album?

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I miss the days when A.F.I. was a misfits rip off band. I mean, at least the misfits are (were) good.

I don't want to hear covers of the killers or the bravery or taking back sunday...and that's what this record is. It's an old band tricking new fans into liking them. They're playing it safe with the music so that more people can listen to it. Remember when they were absolutely vague when describing this record before it came out? They wanted the old fans and the new fans to buy it before it becomes platinum. They wrote 100 songs because this album is so disposable, they had trouble figuring out which bullshit "songs" they could throw at us.

Fuck A.F.I., I'm going to go listen to something that matters to the band as much as it does to the fans.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i started listening to AFI at STS, and this album is so much better! Their old stuff is just not for me!

TRUE AFI FANS WILL STILL RESPECT THEIR NEW MUSIC AND KEEP FOLLOWING THE BAND!

Album of the year!!

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

"Nu-Wave" is the best thing i've heard in a while

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

This band fucking blows!!

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I filed this album right next to the new Less Than Jake.
"Bands that didn't need to evolve, they were already good."

sickboi (June 13, 2006)

AFI just invented Nu-Wave.

Comment of the Day Award.

coldwaffles (June 13, 2006)

Too new wave for me.

AFI just invented Nu-Wave.

boba_fett (June 13, 2006)

i gave up on these guys quite some time ago.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

solid review.

sickboi (June 13, 2006)

Traveling Wilburys....not that's a fucking band. Score is for them.

As far as Davey's screams.....I guess most of you forgot the issue he had with his vocal chords a while back. H ehad to learn how to scream without fucking them up again, which to me, I totaly respect.

Just read about badly Jay was throwing up blood on the last Kid Dynamite tour...shit ain't fun.

sxenester (June 13, 2006)

rumor is Danzig is getting the misfits together for a summer tour.

score is for that rumor.

moneenerd (June 13, 2006)

Umm lyrically compare I WANNA GET A MOHAWK to MISS MURDER and then come back and talk to us.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I'm glad they put out records that alienate half their "fans." Shows who the real fans really are. Go back to jerking off to Black Sails then if you don't like what they're doing now.

I can't stop listening to this record... good stuff. Then again, I have eclectic musical tastes, and enjoy everything from Very Proud of Ya to this to the Traveling Wilburys.

What exactly doesn't make this an AFI album? Because they aren't playing songs that sound like File 13 or Exsanguination? The lyrics are typcial AFI, the music is different, but to me it has the core AFI sound to it: angry, sad, emotional.

I do agree with you on Davey's new scream though... his old one was way better.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i have only heard of afi and so i thouhgt i'd try them out. i bought the cd and thought it was ok but reading these reviews it sonds likv afi has had a mayjor change in there latest cd to come. i've heard a couple of older songs and now i wonder why change right now. i mean i heard there pretty old. i think this cd is ok but i dont know afi that wel.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

soooo this album isnt too great. the second song is good, but the rest are pretty expieremental and downright not very hardcore.
some songs are even poppy!?! what the hell is that all about.

I sure hope that if Hunter indeed is doing a sideproject with Derek from Trio, that its a lot better then this trype.

sxenester (June 13, 2006)

boooooo-urns. We were listening to this shit in my FYE, gave it two spins, and then put in that Wreckers CD (Michelle Branch and some other chick I'd fuck.).

score is for AFI.

miff (June 13, 2006)

what do you mean their american idiot
taht was crap too

iconoclast (June 13, 2006)

if i had never heard AFI and i heard this album i would still think it was absolute pathetic trash

seconded.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

Beth, you and I must have been listening to two different albums because the Decemberunderground I heard is even more produceded to shit than STS was.

beth (June 13, 2006)

The more I listen to DecemberUnderground the more I absolutely LOVE it!!!! I was really expecting at first to hear a more edgier sound on this album, because their last album was so prduced. I have had a special relationship with all of their albums over the years. And when I hear the newest album I am convinced that AFI is not predictable at all.
The songs are all written more intimately on this album I think then the other albums. And the music is different from all the rest. There could to stand a few more hard songs with a little more screaming. But as an album I think it can stand on it's own. If you do not compare it to any of the other albums like Art, Black Sails, Answer that or whatever it holds it's own.
A friend said that if you look beyond the whole AFI thing, the album would be an amazing album for any band coming out right now. The only reason people would be unhappy with this release is because there is so many expectations surrounding AFI.
I am a solid AFI fan and not a come lately fan, and I can say I recommend it with a preface of expect it to be much more light then the previous albums.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i, like the reviewer, wanted to like this so bad. thing is, I AM a diehard AFI fan, and will always give them a shot no matter how bad the previous album was. and sing the sorrow wasnt a bad album. it just got old. there was once a time where i loved that cd. i just went back to listening to their old stuff nonstop when sing the sorrow got old. and i understand a need to change, but they were always changing. every album they ever put out was different from the others. but they still played hardcore punk. now they are doing a genre switch on us, and it sounds like a poorly done mix of depeche mode, the cure, underoath, and their old stuff. this album is for the most part terrible, kill caustic and miss murder are the only tracks that really stood out for me.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i loved black sails sooo much

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I like this a hell of a lot more than STS. Although its not like their older stuff, its very catchy. Definately one of the better major label releases of the year. And this thing has at least 4-5 singles that could blow up.

The new Rise Against, however, is without question the best major label release of the year thus far. (well, when its released that is...)

-sickboi

moneenerd (June 13, 2006)

BLACK SAILS was probably one of the first hardcore-ish albums I ever got into other than maybe Minor Threat. It was my first encounter with gang vocals and mosh-y breakdowns. The last two AFI albums have neither, and that is why they are lame.

Whenever a band I grew up loving makes a more profitable move to a bigger label and more universally accepted sound (ie. pop music), I always feel cheated, like a band I had put so much love, time, effort, heart, and even money into didnt give a fuck about me, and would rather have young Laguna Beach-watching 14 year olds attend their massive sized venue shows and purchase tshirts for 30$ a piece, than the crazy punk rock kids who were there from the get-go.

Anyone remember that Van Warper Tour date where Davey hung upside down from the rafters for the complete Rancid set, and just head banged thru each song until his face was completely blue? Yeah. This DECEMBERUNDERGORUND shit is almost as bad as anythign The Transplants came out with.

But hey. Im picky and elitest.

ALSO, TO THE GUY WHO POINTED OUT THAT THE B SIDES WERE PHENOMENAL:
Same shit with Sing The Sorrow. AFI released 2 unmastered tracks a little before SORROW was dropped. Turns out they ended up being bsides and not on the album at all. The b-sides to that were fucking incredible, and then the album came out, I bought it, and was totally disappointed.

tylerdurden8136 (June 13, 2006)

great, great review. colin pretty much stated exactly how i feel about this record.

at first i hated it, but then it started to grow on me in the "it wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't an afi record" type of way.

though i can't imagine i'll be listening to it a year from now.

colin (June 13, 2006)

There are hints of a few embers and ashes remaining, but this band is all but extinguished from the force this band used to represent.

i just realized how poorly written that sentence is. sorry about that.

and to whoever said this is the only review thta should have been posted, i disagree. i didn't write this to spite aubin in any way, actually, i think he wrote a better review. however, the one part about this site i really enjoy is the ability to have two reviews posted (as someone mentioned, point / counterpoint). just because you disagree with one, doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. there are a lot of people who really think htis is a terrific record. i'm just not one of them.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i just spit coffee all over my monitor, b/c black sails is where afi got so lame.

i mean, i dont agree black sails is lame, but comments like the guy you responded too make me spit coffee as well, because, well, this stuff isnt too far from black sails' songwriting, in general. sure there are a couple of blatant pop songs, but....

rkl (June 13, 2006)

Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 at 7:51 AM (EDT)

this album is absolute trash.

sigh. when did afi get so lame?

i miss black sails....


i just spit coffee all over my monitor, b/c black sails is where afi got so lame.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

"i have 4 b sidesfrom this album (2 covers), but the 2 orriginals blow this entire album away"

hmmm, thats wierd, if its true, but i believe it, cause now the world, riever's , and synesthesia (sp?) blew all of StS out of the water, and i even really liked sts....why does afi put their best songs as bsides? dream of waking anyone?

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

this is the only review of the album that should have been posted.

superdude (June 13, 2006)

Me

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

This review was pretty good, but here's how I would make it better:

1. Who do they interview on The Interview?

2. Why wouldn't they just put out a 100 song record? 30 sides!

3. Then again, that would probably cost as much as a Mars Volta record.

4. To you it's not an AFI album? Dude, get your band names straight?

5. More on the rabits!

jamespastepunk (June 13, 2006)

i have 4 b sidesfrom this album (2 covers), but the 2 orriginals blow this entire album away

Then let us know where to find 'em, would you?

Kidswhowearmakeuprgay (June 13, 2006)

Stop making fun of afi! gay punkers need some music of their own even if it sucks. Afi=gay music for gays!

danperrone (June 13, 2006)

if i had never heard AFI and i heard this album i would still think it was absolute pathetic trash

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

this album is absolute trash.

sigh. when did afi get so lame?

i miss black sails....

fallingupwards84 (June 13, 2006)

i absolutely hated this album when i first heard it, but it has grown on me exponentially since then.

you really do have to listen to the album as if it is a completely different.
only after that is when you'll realize how good this album really is.

mikestupid (June 13, 2006)

This album has grown on me a lot, but I still agree with most of the review. It could have been amazing, but it settles for being decent.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

Brian (or anyone that wrote a tsoaf review)

is anyone doing a review of the latest Hilary Duff?

i might do one, but dont want to put the time into it if another is already being posted

>>>>>

Sidenote: I like the point / counterpoint style of having a second review for this utterly banal and forgettable record.

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

i have 4 b sidesfrom this album (2 covers), but the 2 orriginals blow this entire album away

OzmanX (June 13, 2006)

Why a 2nd review?

Hubitcherkokov (June 13, 2006)

I'm a die-hard AFI fan, I have all their albums, I know all of their songs by heart, and not only is this an AFI album, but it is one of the BEST AFI albums. Suck it, Trebek!

colin (June 13, 2006)

sorry and yes

Anonymous (June 13, 2006)

I don't like this review.

Is Davey gay? No serious question, is he?

crazytoledo (June 13, 2006)

I'll say it again, the singer looks like a girl.

And AFI sucks.

theOneTrueBill (June 13, 2006)

I'll say it again. I just don't like it.

crazytoledo (June 13, 2006)

New releases by Zao, Between the Buried and Me, Nights Like These, and Roses Are Red...

Top review, an AFI album, second review...

Bit of a letdown.

So is the BTBAM cover disc really good? I haven't really heard much, still gonna buy it later today at Best Buy, though...

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