u sicko

and goodbye to tattoes .

fuck.

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misterspike (September 20, 2008)

Also trite ... and being moderately tattooed, I thought of the same thing.

harsh.

Uh... only he and some DJ survived so... I guess you're only wishing the DJ well.

you are an idiot.

flamebait

show some respect douchebag

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FranklinStein (September 20, 2008)

hahahaahhhahahahahhha

cmon man,

why isn't this removed yet

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magic-pig_detective (September 20, 2008)

so more people can feel offended by flamebait

you're an asshole

the man's allowed his opinion. that and everyone's all upset over a guy who's STILL ALIVE. shit, what about the other passengers? and the flight crew? no...no...we need to yell at a user for expressing his distaste for a person instead of providing condolences to the deceased.

now, i'm sorry he's hurt and i don't wish much harm on anyone, but the OP is right. he is a fucking asshole.

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penrose (September 22, 2008)

Yeah dude people are allowed opinions, but under this circumstance I think people have a right to call out this one - this is no time to express your displeasure over an individual; hes in critical condition and the last thing you wanna hear about him is some random no-name internet post person calling him an asshole. totally uncalled for.
And trust me condolances for the unfortunatly deceased are appropriately placed - this was about Barker.
Don't be political when this is about respect.

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AlChron77 (September 23, 2008)

I thought this was "punknews.org" not "watch-your-fucking-mouth.org". What seems "uncalled for" to you might not to other people.

too soon.

Unfortunately, I expect most of the comments in this thread to be about as thoughtless as this one.

if he can still drum... thats not even the concern right now

What a stupid comment, from top to bottom.

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zach_post (September 21, 2008)

that says alot, seriously, with a guy who has a name like "LookingForCorpses." i mean if some dude with such a metal name says it's stupid, it's really fucking stupid.

Scott Raynor was no slouch..He played a more traditional punk style, with straightforward fills.

Barker is one hell of a drummer, one of the most talented I know for sure, but I wouldn't say he made Enema of the State better than Dude Ranch, he just changed everything about how the drums sounded.

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retistictumblweed (September 20, 2008)

I liked Scott too, don't get me wrong; and I liked Blink better when he was playing for them. I just prefer a more sophisticated style of drumming, and I also think that Travis was able to take some very mediocre punk songs and make them into something that really caught people's attention. If Scott had played on "Enema" I don't think it would have been nearly as successful because it wouldn't have had that extra something that Travis brought to the band.

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AndBurnTheRest (September 20, 2008)

fair enough, I wouldn't argue with that.

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mashole (September 20, 2008)

im a drummer and i cringe when i hear scott attempt to do a solo

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AlChron77 (September 23, 2008)

Dude Ranch = Enema < a bag of shit

you are an idiot, Dude Ranch was such a better album

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retistictumblweed (September 20, 2008)

I never gave an opinion as to which was the better album. I said the quality of the drumming was much higher on Enema. I don't think you can make a fair comparison between Travis era Blink and the stuff Scott played on. Everything up to Dude Ranch was pretty typical '90s pop punk. Starting with Enema, they had pretty much moved into the arena of mainstream pop, and were writing songs with the goal of appealing to a much wider audience. I think Dude Ranch was their best punk album, and I think Enema was the best offering from the Travis era, but no matter how you look at it Travis can (and has) outdrum Scott with one hand.

actually his tattoos weren't really good at all. hope he gets better and all but yeah, tattoos weren't good, drumming was awesome. word.

Another retarded post.

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PoliticsOfStarving (September 21, 2008)

Are you going to be commenting on all the people being dumb for asking about his tattoos? Because that could get really old, really quick. Not to mention that it's obviously something people are curious about.

what the fuck does being heavily tattooed have anything to do with running an IV on a person?...you find the vein by applying pressure. also, how is that a trite thing to think about?

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retistictumblweed (September 20, 2008)
They typically won't puncture a tattoo because the ink can be poisonous if introduced into the bloodstream, and also because the needle is more likely to break in scar tissue. I know that, of the few times I have had to have an IV or have blood drawn, they have always used the veins in my hand because I have tattoos in both of my ditches. I'm not even heavily tattooed, it's just unfortunate placement. A doctor told me that if you have sleeves that go down on to your hands, their protocol is to use a vein in your leg that is located near the groin, and if that's unavailable they will move on to the neck, etc. but they will avoid puncturing a tattoo at all costs. If that's true, it must be really difficult to provide proper treatment without further endangering the life of the patient.

I said it's trite because there are obviously more important issues at hand

show rest of commentThey typically won't puncture a tattoo because the ink can be poisonous if introduced into the bloodstream, and also because the needle is more likely to break in scar tissue. I know that, of the few times I have had to have an IV or have blood drawn, they have always used the veins in my hand because I have tattoos in both of my ditches. I'm not even heavily tattooed, it's just unfortunate placement. A doctor told me that if you have sleeves that go down on to your hands, their protocol is to use a vein in your leg that is located near the groin, and if that's unavailable they will move on to the neck, etc. but they will avoid puncturing a tattoo at all costs. If that's true, it must be really difficult to provide proper treatment without further endangering the life of the patient.

I said it's trite because there are obviously more important issues at hand. I feel for the families of the deceased, I hope that Travis recovers fully and can still play the drums like a madman... but I didn't see the need to post that because almost everyone that posts is going to have something to say along those lines. So, for the sake of maybe starting an intelligent conversation, I tried to bring up the medical aspect of it and compliment Barker on his playing. Both points have been belittled and heavily disputed here and in other threads in this topic, but neither was meant to be disrespectful, just food for thought.
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LookingForCorpses (September 20, 2008)

I've never heard anything like that.

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john_stone (September 21, 2008)

If you've never heard it, it must be false.

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PoliticsOfStarving (September 21, 2008)

I think I've heard something along those lines too.

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FranklinStein (September 21, 2008)

trite's not the right word...trivial maybe

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retistictumblweed (September 21, 2008)

you're right

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cunt (September 22, 2008)

thats fucking stupid. the ditch of my right arm is drilled and i have spent a considerable amount of time in the ER over the last year, and every time they have put a needle through ink. My left ditch is not drilled, and they still opt for my right arm, straight through the "scar tissue" with no complications.

way to talk out of your ass

why do pigs makes good spies?

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Because they can go inhognito.

Agreed.

100 percent agreed. Thoughts for sure.

Exactly. This is an awful situation no matter what you thought of the guy and his music.

The shitty thing is if people went to any other "forum" to bag on his music people like you would immediately jump all over them and say shit like "have some respect, that's not appropriate, he was just in an accident"; it doesn't matter where someone does it. Just because his music is fucking awful doesn't mean I don't want him to get better.

well he'd have to ok it first, and you'd think after going through something like this one would probably cherish life a little more and perhaps not want it displayed to 14 year olds across the world. then again..

i wouldn't put it past them

you realize that you don't have to watch it, right?

haha i was thinking mainly tom. jk sorta

he was one of the douchebags. a timid douchebag.
but, this still sucks

Seriously, this is the most sensible post anyone's posted on this thread.

I'm thinking he was probably blitzed out of his mind, which would leave his body loose upon impact, giving him a much better survival chance. But all this still doesn't sound good at all. Feel horrible for his family.

hey mine too! that and rhcps californiacation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_state

Noting good.

"Vital signs are unstable and not within normal limits. Patient may be unconscious. Indicators are unfavorable."

The fact that they were running and conscious as at least somewhat of a positive sign.

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PoliticsOfStarving (September 21, 2008)

It only takes a few seconds of fire exposure to make the difference between okay and far-from-okay.

Time for Tom to prove that he really is Godlike and perform a miracle by helping out his former bandmate.

(too soon...?)

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hhrules (September 20, 2008)

Everythigns everything MaaAaaaAaaaAgic!!

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binaural111 (September 20, 2008)

reunion?

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noknownallergies (September 20, 2008)

you guys are both idiots.

You're seriously going to pull your schtick in this thread?

I generally brush you off because you're the most obvious troll since, well, blinkrules, but are you serious?

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hhrules (September 20, 2008)

Once again what makes you think im a troll?

apparently you didn't read it carefully b/c the article said that the plane never lifted off the ground.

yup

I know what you mean. I'm sure it's in part because they're always trying to make planes travel faster and leave earlier, etc. Maybe safety should be the number 1 priority over time efficiency.

dude cant catch a break? he was flying around on a private jet. people that dont catch breaks have never even been on a commercial jet. shit they probably dont even own 1 car, nevermind the 40 barker owned. people that dont catch breaks you will never see on cribs.

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batattack8 (September 20, 2008)

He can't catch a break as far as his physical well-being. He receives a lot of injuries.

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LookingForCorpses (September 20, 2008)

The person was obviously talking about his health. Thanks Jesse Jackson.

What about the Big Bopper?

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SydBarrett420 (September 20, 2008)

Yeah The Big Bopper, Patsy Cline and Ricky Nelson are NOT stoked either.

Seriously! It's like, "DAMMIT AIRPLANES! Stop trying to kill famous musicians! What the hell!"

Also if Travis Barker dies I'm just going to be all kinds of stupid sad. I don't even like any of his music, and he seems like he's probably kind of a douche in real life, but I really respect the shit out of him and his tattooed scrawniness. I feel like we don't have enough enigmatic, talented drummer celebrities.

those two guys were actually flying there own plane when they died

well, its still a private jet

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LookingForCorpses (September 20, 2008)

Totally different situations.

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fallingupwards84 (September 20, 2008)

not exactly, they're both private jets

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LookingForCorpses (September 20, 2008)

Those other people were recreational pilots flying small 2-4 seaters. These planes ARE commercial planes. They're owned by private companies, not major airlines, who rent out their services. They're flown by professional pilots (often ex military or ex airline pilots) and staffed and serviced by professional people. It's no different than commercial flying, other than you and I can't afford it and it's not run out of major terminals.

Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens, Big Bopper...

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Cos (September 20, 2008)

Skynard...

he didn't play on that album!

then i'm sure you'll be getting yours soon you heartless prick

You're just an all-around pile of shit.

Fuck you...

(and this has little to do with your comment right here).

come on.

so this is why people hate punknews....

Why would god/fate make this happen to travis, but not to ll cool j or katy perry. It seems like it would be easy to punish then instead of someone who was on a show with them

Did you mom have any kids that survived? What a fucktard.

Wow. Those are two terrible areas. Good thing they'll be able to afford any reconstructive procedures to get their shit looking normal.

Me too. I've always liked Enema of the State.

I was looking at Travis' assistant's myspace profile. The dude had kids. My heart fucking breaks when I think of the victims. RIP.

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HOISTDATRAG (September 20, 2008)

I agree. Regardless of who they are, they are still people and people still died. It's a shame.

There's 4 people who died and they are all mentioned in all the news stories and many posts on here have acknowledged that already.
I agree with your second thought though.

i missing something.

This is oddly worded.

i feel bad for you

hahaha! maybe you should have been on that plane.

You mean without them you wouldn't be an immature, narrow minded, materialistic moron? Further evidence that the world would have been better off if Blink never existed in the first place.

They don't crash all the time. Small personal planes crash all the time. These are essentially commercial aircraft, with expert pilots. Leers like this do no crash that often.
And, you don't really always have that option, to take a commercial flight.

totally..I'm talking to a friend (who's a huge blink fan) bordering on inconsolable, but never once did I think they wouldn't pull through. If it's not their time yet, it's not. Fucking upsetting to read as updates keep coming in. I saw other forums, people kept saying it's a "miracle". how the FUCK can 4 people dying be a miracle? So what if the survivors are celebrities? The others died, seems like no one cares. :(

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murdock (September 20, 2008)

Hate to break it to you, but people die every day. The fact that they are celebrities doesn't make much of a difference in my mind. I'll treat it like every other time I hear someone dies on the news. It sucks, but that's the way life is.

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LookingForCorpses (September 20, 2008)

It's a miracle that anyone walked away.

Pauly Shore does

Fuck that guy.

Retraction: YOU do.

Dude, thank you.

You've managed to leave a mature and respectful comment on a message board that, sadly, is cluttered with a great number of trivial and insensitive remarks concerning an extremely unfortunate and tragic event.

Condolences to the family and friends of those who passed.

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FranklinStein (September 20, 2008)

god, you make me wanna vomit

I posted this above, but I thought it was worth repeating here. I mentioned his tattoos, but if you read it again, I was concerned about whether his tattoos would prevent him from receiving the proper medical treatment.

Obviously this is going to be a miserable time for the families of the deceased, and my heart goes out to them. I just lost my dad and my grandpa over the summer, both suddenly. Believe me, I can relate. A time of loss is no time to make light of other people's pain. At least I'm not one of the douchebags on here that said his music is terrible or I wish him the worst.

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MattRamone (September 20, 2008)

I'm sorry if I offended. I wasn't targeting anyone in particular. I'm know I'm probably the biggest asshole on this site whose name doesn't rhyme with Mott Feisel, but even I think the snideness in threads involving death or injury are heartless and terrible. While I may wish retirement on certain people, I wish no one true pain or misery.

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retistictumblweed (September 20, 2008)

Nah, I just wanted to make sure I didn't piss you off. You're one of the only people on here whose posts consistently make a lot of sense. I respect your opinion, so I figued if you were calling me out I probably did something wrong and should explain myself.

I'll let that one slide.

You missed the most amazing show ever last night.

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valentine (September 20, 2008)

i only half wanna ask what show that would be...

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MattRamone (September 20, 2008)

Gaslight, followed by a secret Brian Fallon solo set at a bar down the street.

Ok... ok... totally uncalled for any jokes here, yes... but, that was fucking hilarious.

I slap you, and then pat your back, sir.

Another special post.

and here's looking at you kid

you're not jeff tweedy.

Compassion is for fags, huh?

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Hey_Asshole (September 20, 2008)

i am not saying to show no compassion, but i am saying that perhaps people are taking the "take off your plane and crash it" jokes a bit to seriously

Asshole, you are 100% right. Its not being heartless, its facing the facts. Does anyone on this board post about the soldiers dying each day? NO.

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RT (September 20, 2008)

"Does anyone on this board post about the soldiers dying each day? NO."

No you fuck-tard but Travis Barker is a household name and a big inspiration to a lot of people on this board.

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Blackjaw_x (September 20, 2008)

Soldiers choose to go to war... well then Travis Barker chose to be a big star and get on the plane... just to cover that as a possible answer... but it's different.

Yeah, now that I think about, you're right. I'll admit, I laughed a lot at some of those other comments.

you are an idiot. it's not a matter of 'knowing someone personally', it's a simple matter of compassion and empathy.

I'm sure most decent people feel horrible every time they hear of such a tragedy. They just don't all make it to this website , because they aren't all part of the scene punknews is dedicated to, so we obviously don't talk about every tragedy.

Yeah, a lot of people take offense to others trying to get a laugh out of the situation. It's called not being a terrible person. Take your self-righteousness elsewhere.

Most of you people are total idiots. So the fact that a soldiers that dies for you and isnt a household name makes it ok that hes dead and shouldnt be talked about. Maybe your "inspiration" should be taken from other things than MTV and a drummer in a shitty punk band. He played the drums, and made bad remixes of songs, he dont put his life on the line so you have the freedom of starting your shit hole punk rock bands. this guy was far from a hero. This is why we are in the state we are in.

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zach_post (September 21, 2008)

excuse me sir. the idea is that this news was posted. we feel sorry for the guy. if aubin was to post something about oh john doe, who's favorite band was the misfits, got blown to bits by a carbomb i'm sure we would get teh same reaction as this. some tasteless jokes, some sympathy, and some "why the fuck do i care" from some Canadians and euro fans of this site. Also this is a guy who influences some new upcoming drummers. god forbid we feel sympathy to some guy that inspires them. no matter how awful you might think his band is, the truth is probably 50% of america enjoyed what's my age again. i know i did. and opened the mind of some youngins to punk music... i'm a little high and been drinking i dont' know if this makes sense

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TheMike (September 21, 2008)

Dude... Canadians are the bleeding heart "please and thank you" folks....

But agreed with your comment in general.

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AlChron77 (September 23, 2008)

Hey shit head, you can have sympathy for someone and still laugh. Its not like anyone has said "Fuck him, I hope he dies". Just because we're not crying our eyes out and laughing at jokes doesn't mean we don't feel sorry for the guy and hope he gets better.

Jesus, is this a punk rock website or a Christian values website?

There is nothing funny about this right now.

Ever heard the saying "Too soon?".

Well, there is a pretty good reason for it. It's one thing to make light of past events where the grieving has past and people have moved on. It's a whole other thing to have a cavalier attitude about stuff that just happened with people obviously being affected by it.

well said

I would crack jokes, or "make snide remarks" because thats how I deal with things.

That said, Travis Barker might not be my favorite person, but no one deserves this, especially the people who lost their lives. Thats horrible.

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Torgo (September 20, 2008)

I'm in your boat, I'm really awkward and I can't deal with raw emotion, I can't cry or anything like that, so I need to say jokes.

who do you think cut the brakes on that plane?

it's his 2nd stroke. he's on the mend. i recommend checking this out until he makes a full recovery. it is the truth.

http://www.zshare.net/download/1780703283033291/

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Cheesetits (September 20, 2008)

He had such a rad voice, it's sad stuff. I guess even G's are susceptible to medical attacks.

What the fuck? I had no idea. This is a shitty week for musicians, hopefully he recovers.

You must be kidding.

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PoliticsOfStarving (September 21, 2008)

Oh, fuck's sake. These are the things people are thinking about, dude. Let it go.