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Taking Back Sunday

Taking Back Sunday: Louder NowLouder Now (2006)
Warner Music Group

Reviewer Rating: 1.5
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Contributed by: colincolin
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With 2002's infamous Tell All Your Friends, Taking Back Sunday set a pretty high bar for the post-hardcore pop-influenced genre that everyone decides to call emo. Their sound, somewhere between Thursday and Saves the Day, caused a figurative explosion within the scene. Cue a dramatic Livejournal-tra.
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With 2002's infamous Tell All Your Friends, Taking Back Sunday set a pretty high bar for the post-hardcore pop-influenced genre that everyone decides to call emo. Their sound, somewhere between Thursday and Saves the Day, caused a figurative explosion within the scene. Cue a dramatic Livejournal-traumatizing split with guitarist and backing vocalist John Nolan and bassist Shaun Cooper, the release of the incredibly underwhelming Where You Want to Be, and fast-forward to the "louder" Taking Back Sunday, debuting on Warner Bros. Records with Louder Now.

I will say that I still stand by my one-star review of WYWTB. When there was talk that the band was returning to their 'roots,' it seemed encouraging. The single, "MakeDamnSure," isn't what I'd call amazing, but certainly has learnings of a day when TBS could construct a wonderful pop-punk song, hopefully being a good introduction of things to come.

The good news is that with the re-recorded "Error Operator," the band has finally delivered a song that can match the bar set with their classics like "Cute Without the 'E'" and "Ghost Man on Third." The re-done bridge and the slight production really put this song into the "Would be fun as hell to see live" category. "Spin" also manages to bring back the energy that the band had with "Blue Channel." "I'll Let You Live" has potential, but is muddled down by never finding out what kind of song it wants to be.

The rest of the album faults the same way Where You Want to Be faulted. For the most part, the lyrics are, once again, incredibly repetitive. The obligatory acoustic song is painfully bad. "Miami" is terrible. To be honest, the first time I listened to this album in full I found myself bored with a majority of it. There aren't any sudden breakout parts like the end of "Timberwolves at New Jersey," and aside from the aforementioned songs, nothing of interest guitar, bass, or drum-wise. The songs, for the most part, involve a couple verses, a few choruses, and a breakdown featuring overproduced or near-whispered vocals for 'effect.' There are big distractions with the production; everything seems like it was played an octave too high, and the usually hard-hitting drums are muffled behind overdriven guitars and too much attention on the vocals.

Part of what made the production on Tell All Your Friends was the constant assault of two guitars, two vocalists, amazing drums and usually changing-up bass-lines. The magnification of the vocals only emphasizes the fact that this album can't hold the weight of its predecessors in the lyrical department. There is a disconnection between the vocals and the music that makes the album hard to listen to.

I'm not saying that Louder Now is always bad, but I am saying it's getting old and pretty boring. Taking their often-compared counterparts in Brand New under consideration, Taking Back Sunday simply hasn't grown. While the last album's lack of maturity could be blamed on the band being re-formed, they've been a single group now for long enough that there should be some sense of growth. Instead, what I'm hearing is the best impersonation of old Taking Back Sunday that the new Taking Back Sunday could put together.

Tell All Your Friends set in motion a plethora of Taking Back Sunday rip-offs whose albums were nothing but plagairized half-screams and lyrics that gave suburban kids a false sense of tragedy in order to justify their silver-spoon lives. While bands like Thursday and Brand New are growing up and out of the trends they were responsible for setting in motion, raising the bar on themselves and the bands around them, Taking Back Sunday seems content to rest in the laurels of their mediocrity, proving the band that was the most successful at ripping them off was themselves.

 

 
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assman (June 25, 2010)

Stop making shitty puns with the song names.

Graff (July 22, 2008)

It seems like either people completely wreck Louder Now, or overrate it. Why Taking Back Sunday are so revered, I do not quite understand, but Louder Now really is not that bad. It just isn't a five star album. 3.5 stars would be more like it.

I believe Jason Tate has it right.

flannagin94 (March 25, 2008)

That is a mean thing to say tommy, tbs is the best bad in the world....... I am sorry I couldn't keep a straight face while typing that. Well siad Tommy that was the best peice of literature I have ever read. Try and beat that Bill Shakespear.

TommyPickles (March 25, 2008)

Oh man look at me I am Adam Lazzara I throw the microphone up in the air and catch it around my neck, I am so fucking punk.

dieron (August 6, 2007)

i think this review pretty much nailed it.

couraegous (May 27, 2007)

ANYWAY.
this is my favorite album out of all of TBS' work.
on all the other ones there have been songs i loved and songs i couldn't stand
but i love just about every song on louder now.

thank you adam.
you're amazing.

chickswithdicks (August 23, 2006)

there sure are alot of comments for a band that everyone says sucks...

larold (July 28, 2006)

i don't really like this cd....it has some decent songs on it but that is few and far between...i used to enjoy their music...now it seems too forced and mediocre

Mr_Streetcore (July 3, 2006)

whats the pont of taking back sunday? when you have happy mondays!

RBD-biatchh (July 1, 2006)

i love this cd!!!
TBS is awesome.

Anonymous (June 20, 2006)

taking back sunday are awesome

Anonymous (June 18, 2006)

I don't feel this album was fairly reviewed. An extremely bias opinion about how someone feels that Taking Back Sunday don't fit into their lives anymore. I personally think its a great album. Only one song i dislike "Divine Intervention" for it bores me. And as for the repetative lyrics...it seems as if they were listened to incorrectly. At first glance they may seem the same but if you truly wanted to give the album a good chance you would have thought about the lyrics. I thought about the lyrics and found their individual meanings. And also just because you feel TBS arn't Emo enough for you anymore lusten to someone else...if TBS changed think how many fans that love their music that would miss them. Like the comment a few below me; if they are good and successful why do they need to "mature"?

Anonymous (June 10, 2006)

Um, to the little bitch three posts below, cheap, ignorant shots at your fellow commenters sexual orientation will not make the album any better, and only impune your intelligence. Though I have to conceed, "TBS rocks!"

Anonymous (May 29, 2006)

yes i waste time reading comments about this stuff, they are all pretty much the same, tell all your friends is soo amazing, tbs without nolan sucks. well, ok. most of my friends who have listened to tayf and wywtb didnt even notice different singers and most of them being new to the band liked wywtb better.personally i like tell all yourfriends but where you want to be is not horrible like everyone loves to claim. and if you read other reviews by people who dont normally listen to the band they like the album alot including the terrible miami and twenty twenty surgery. as for this one sounding heavier like the o so heavy tell all your friends your stupid. the blue channel might be the only one considered heavy off of that one. people complain tbs hasnt changed or evolved like brand new has. why should they? they are succesful as what they are. metallica changed and now they suck. if that happened to tbs you all would be like why did they change they should go back to what they were. id consider this my least favorite out of tbs albums but it is not at all as bad as colin says. because they have gained massive amounts of fans since a decade andfrom mds.

Anonymous (May 25, 2006)

Louder now is not boring..if you could only understand the lyrics of the songs i'm sure you'll find it good.."where you want to be" may be slower than "tell all your friends" but louder now is damnsure loud enough to kick some ass!!!!1

Anonymous (May 25, 2006)

TBS is the best!!! if you dont like it, well nobody's forcing you to like it!! you're all gay!!!TBS Rocks!!!!if ever i will meet the anti TBS squad, i'll makedamnsure that you can't ever leave...!!! LONG LIVE TAKING BACK SUNDAY!!!!!!

Anonymous (May 19, 2006)

Taking Back Sunday was already one of the best bands ever, but after this album it is a sure thing. Just because there music isn't as emo anymore and all you little punk bitches dont think it relates to your lifes anymore doesn't mean they suck....means they've matured. This band kicks ass.

Anonymous (May 19, 2006)

i agree with that last comment, TBS owns

Anonymous (May 19, 2006)

first off, TBS is sick, and adam is a lyrical genius. and for the person who said that adam cant sing live, i have been to several of their shows and im going again, and he definately can sing. the ratings for their cds should go, tell all your friends-9.5, where you want to be-7.5 and louder now-10. best band ever.

Anonymous (May 17, 2006)

i dont like how this was reveiwed. This is a wicked awesome album and its gay that you don't like it! "Makedamnsure" is the best song i ever heard in my life. And Adam Lazzara is gorgeous.

Monica2424 (May 17, 2006)

i dont like how this was reveiwed. This is a wicked awesome album and its gay that you don't like it! "Makedamnsure" is the best song i ever heard in my life. And Adam Lazzara is gorgeous.

Anonymous (May 13, 2006)

i love this CD!

taking back sunday is my absolute FAVORITE band.
they always have the BEST songs, and not to mention adam is damn sure a hottie : )

I L O V E Y O U T A K I N G B A C K S U N D A Y ! : ) : )

md40_07 (May 9, 2006)

nothing special

Anonymous (May 8, 2006)

Disappointing album.
Bad review.

Anonymous (May 4, 2006)

'tell all your friends' and 'where you want to be' are both pretty fun albums at times. it's music you can drive around and have your windows down and have it cranked up stuff.

this new cd is just, not as fun i guess?

and i caught them on conan the other night, i'm not much of a fan of this band so i've never seen them live..but man that dude cannot sing live for crap! he flat out sucked.

domotime (May 4, 2006)

I couldnt agree more with the review of this album. Where You Want To Be was a very weak album, and this album is no different. There is probably 2 or 3 quality songs on the album, the rest being very very borring.

I'm not a fan of this genre, but i would've given it props for being catchy, fun, or electric...but it's neither.

ilovesonny (May 4, 2006)

If poeple hate this band so much then why are they on their review? Why dont they go on the review of the bands that they actually like? i dont get it. Get a fucking life!!!
Oh and by the TBS is awesome and no one can convince me and the other fans otherwise

Anonymous (May 4, 2006)

What are you all talking about i am so lost but i do know that tbs and dwp are the bestest bands in the world well so is soad!!!the all rock

Anonymous (May 4, 2006)

This is the best ever i love love love this band the kick ass

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

Whoever wrote this is a douche and a half. This is the same guy who gave Saves the Day's new one a 4 out of 5. Are you kidding me?
Why must every review have to be compared with their early stuff? THIS IS A DIFFERENT BAND. This album is straight hard rock... nothing more, nothing less.
'Spin' and 'Twenty-Twenty Surgery' are the best songs on the album hands down. 'Error Operator', 'MakeDamnSure', and 'I'll Let You Live' are all very solid songs. OK so maybe there's a few weaker songs... so what. I can live with that why can't you???

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

I love it. Most of the songs at least. I love TBS so much though. I have to agree about the repetitive part though. They do tend to reiterate alot of the lyrics, but it's all good.

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

And I like the original version of Error: Operator better. The new one is waaaayy to over-produced.

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

At least the slow song on this album isn't nearly as shitty as the one on Where You Want To Be.
Overall not too shabby. I was a little worried before it came out.

Anonymous (May 3, 2006)

I bought this album because of all the hype everyone was giving it "its the best shit theyve ever done". WTF? This album left me wanting to discontinue listening within the first two songs. It's that bad.

Kidswhowearmakeuprgay (May 3, 2006)

Plain bad review.

Kidswhowearmakeuprgay (May 3, 2006)

Wow good review like with contents but i cant help it to imagine this reviewer as a lil bitch. Honestly hes prob a faggy nerd. Ive never have heard such a smart review but dumb reviewer. Its def not 1.5/5 Id say 2.5/5 and WYWB 2/5 cuz they have made improvements. TBS wasnever the same when John Nolan left....i miss him. I think u shouldnt review music and review somethingelse. Wow this reviewer is gay.

Mr_Streetcore (May 2, 2006)

Slayer fans are going to destroy taking back sundays fans at reading festival this year

Anonymous (May 2, 2006)

most of your complaints about this album are somewhere along the lines that it is inherently forgetable. this genere gets more than its share of hecklers calling it "plagued by mediocrity". what we as listeners all too commonly overlook is the role of mediocer efforts. if every record was amazing, no records would be amazing. if every effort from a band was groundbreaking, nothing would stick around long enough for listeners to catch on. without these trends, the entire foundation for this industry would be non-existent and it couldn't exist. without this industry, the volumes of music so easily accessible to you would probably never reach your ears. everything is dependent on these mediocer releases.
this record is not amazing, but it does serve its purpose as a step in a slightly different direction then their other works. before you complain because this is album is nothing new, remember that if it wasn't for albums like this, those "relationship of command" or for some, "tell all your friends" caliber albums would not be what they are to you.

Anonymous (May 1, 2006)

i'm with fritobandito. first 3 tracks are by far the best. makedamnsure is far and away the album standout. the worst song has to be the acoustic one, although the filler 'up against', 'miami' and the painfully boring album closer really make it all add up to mediocrity at its best. I'm starting to think 'where you want to be' is better. but not much.

Paul

Anonymous (May 1, 2006)

thisis a decent album.

soulbleed (April 30, 2006)

this review was too harsh, as was the score. this album isn't bad.

fritobandito (April 30, 2006)

I gotta say, I was diggin this album quite a bit more than I thought I would for the first few tracks. But then it went downhill INCREDIBLY fast.

I agree with the reviewer about the acoustic track. Seriously, that shit was just fucking horrible. Considering how often these kids are propped up next to Brand New, I thought the acoustic prowess might be similar (Brand New's acoustic shit is just amazing. all of it.). Alas, I was incredibly disappointed.

The first three songs are some damn fun pop anthems though.

punksxe (April 30, 2006)

first off i am not a emo kid i burned it off a friend she said it was great and since she's kinda hot i gave it a spin. the first thing you will notice is that it there no longer emo or indie but more hard rock the lyric content did not change there still complaining like fucking babies about why there girlfriends dumped them all i can say is SHUT THE FUCK UP. the music is not to bad but i cant get into this music no matter how hot the girl who gave it to me is

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

Anybody having trouble importing this into Itunes to put on their iPod? It keeps rejecting my cd.

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

dude below me. it sounds like 'wywtb' part 2, but with glossier and more powerful production, courtesey of good charlotte producer, eric valentine. nothing new lyrically, vocally or musically. eh. its pretty average. makedamnsure and error operator are by far the 2 best songs.

Paul

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

I haven't heard this yet so I have no idea what it sounds like. But, some people are complaining that it sounds too much like their old style, and some are complaining that they changed their sound and don't sound like they used to.

Which one is it?

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

3/10 makes this better than WYWTB. Sorry?

This is terrible - only Error: Operator stands up with anything else they've done, in the same way the only great track on WYWTB was Slowdance.

This album lacks the two main ingredients that made TAYF any good - urgency and lyrical talent (take the selection of 'best lines' from the sleeve - uniformly pointless attempts to be clever).

Overproduced to the point where it throttles any life and passion out of whatever they were trying to come up with.

Aside from the score I agree with the reviewer. This is a band trying to recapture what made them vital in the first place and failing miserably, perhaps they should rename themselves Taking Back Wednesday because it's the only way it'd be more obvious how hard they're trying to be a TBS tribute band.

LK

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

for some reason i hear this record.... HOw can a band like this be on warner? it blows my mind!

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

first of all, no band wants to be called "emo," except for those really whiny ones who sings like that to appeal to "scene kids"

i have been a taking back sunday fan since it started. they had their small shows and were great at playing live.

its true that tell all your friends is their best album. however, they have grown, matured and realized they cant stick to the same sound. if they did stick to the same sound, everyone would say "they sound the same. nothing change. how boring"

in louder now, the lyrics truly changed. many people whine about this, that its more repetitive, meaningless etc. i disagree. their lyrics are repetitive and catchy, which is good. also their lyrics are more abstract. (that is why probably all the emo kids hate it. they have no song to cry with)

im sorry for all the emo, scene kids or whatever you label yourselves, taking back sunday is never in that genre. and as i see in this album, they still have the great sound and awesome lyrics.

Scruffy (April 30, 2006)

First, it's amazing that it took this long for the street teamers to show up.

Second, I'd venture to say that the first so many largest independent record labels are probably world music, jazz and hip-hop labels.

Anonymous (April 30, 2006)

mother fucker you didnt listen to "emo" in the 90s. shut the fuck up

Anonymous (April 29, 2006)

jealous much?

a band writes a good record and you pull a "i dont like saves the day anymore" bullshit.

Anonymous (April 29, 2006)

no you didnt say this is emo. emo-influenced? slightly. still not emo. It would be much appretiated if you guys would stop throwing that term around like an insult. Emo music was excellent while it stayed true to itself back in the 90's, but I haven't heard much of it since then.

Anonymous (April 29, 2006)

for the record, taking back sunday arent punk. at all. not even pop-punk. the music itself, without vocals, isnt punk. put in the lyrics, its still not punk. its just emo. maybe u can even dare to call it indie. but its not punk. its punk INFLUENCED, no doubt about that. but not punk. or pop-punk. this album is better than their old stuff, while im not a big fan of the band ill give them that. and the single off the cd is pretty catchy, i actually really like it.

RobSeymour (April 29, 2006)

Well-stated. Tell All Your Friends was one of the best albums ever written. Everything since then has been a mediocre at best.

Anonymous (April 29, 2006)

You suck at life. This CD is great. You're a giant douchebag for expecting them to write another Tell All Your Friends.. well this new sound, which is still Taking Back Sunday rivals the TAYF TBS.

Anonymous (April 29, 2006)

I love it!!!!

arturoroxmysox (April 28, 2006)

"Can you really call someone a fag for not liking an emo record? That's a tough call Andy. That's a tough call..."

THIS ISNT AN EMO RECORD.

Anonymous (April 28, 2006)

This review was a joke. The author criticizes Adam Lazarra for "repetitive vocals", but then yearns for more parts like the break-down in TImberwolves vs New Jersey and wants the same formula as the first album. This is a good album. Fashions and times may have changed but TBS remain good at what they do.

Anonymous (April 28, 2006)

You get the vibe that Lazaar is trying to sound more sophisicated; his voice is so demure it's almost a sexual innuendo in itself.

But it has an opposite effect. Taking Back Sunday was better when they sounded immature, simply because it went hand in hand with the style of music they played. Oh yeah, and the chorus looping is really overkill on this CD, what the fuck is with that; I'm pretty sure their engineer fucked this album up more than TBS actually did.

If they could just, go back to making more songs like Bonus Mosh Pit Pt.2, sigh.

darkstarm (April 28, 2006)

I hate this band.

That being said, Tell All Your Friends did influence an entire scene and crop of kids. That is an accomplishment, I suppose, even if the music it spawned is horrid.

Anyone saying we're being too "critical" is full of shit. Give the first record its props. Ok. What have they done since? Not much of anything. Certainly not topped their first record. People were talking about Weezer before. Pinkerton was good, I feel it's a great compliment to Blue. This band is nothing like that. They put out one good album and have been on a decline ever since, they know it, that's why they do the things they do.

Out.

Anonymous (April 28, 2006)

drive thru is definately not higher than Fat. epitaph i'm sure is at least #30. offpsring smach has sold 10 million records, that alone probably puts epitaph pretty fuckin high on the indy charts. not to mention rancid's whole cateloge, bad religeons, pennywises', refused-shape of punk to come, even motion city and matchbook romance have probably combined sales over a million. oh shit, and nofx's cateloge up until 2000, and i believe their best selling album is punk in drublic, somewhere around 800K or some shit.

yea i'd say epitaph is near the top

oh and colins line about the screamo kids was great, i'll second that.

Anonymous (April 28, 2006)

ok I got the album. perfect reveiw. I was a HUGE fan of tell all your friends...i thought wwwtb was pretty average, and so is this. makedamnsure and error operator are awesome. my blue heaven is pretty sweet too. but the majority of it is lackluster, just like the last album. no surprises, no real hooks, mediocre lyrics compared to the first.

oh and something many arent mentioning...i HATE eric valentines production techniques...it sounds just like his work with good charlotte...so clean and crisp it sounds fake, especially the machine gun sounding snare drum sound he gets. its too overdriven or something. it sounds manufactured, even though i know tbs are competent musicians. it sounds like the new all american rejects or good charlotte (production wise)

paul

Anonymous (April 28, 2006)

Well i'm sad to say this, but after a couple of days listening to this i agree with the review. The production is iffy, and certainly does not have the instant impact of the other 2 records. But hey, i'll give it another few days

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

Tell All Your Friends set in motion a plethora of Taking Back Sunday rip-offs whose albums were nothing but plagairized half-screams and lyrics that gave suburban kids a false sense of tragedy in order to justify their silver-spoon lives.

that is THE BEST fucking thing i think i've ever read on punknews. way to go colin!

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

Tell All Your Friends set in motion a plethora of Taking Back Sunday rip-offs whose albums were nothing but plagairized half-screams and lyrics that gave suburban kids a false sense of tragedy in order to justify their silver-spoon lives.

that is THE BEST fucking thing i think i've ever read on punknews. way to go colin!

Marlon (April 27, 2006)

What did Victory do?

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

obviously its making fun of victory

Marlon (April 27, 2006)

Can you really call someone a fag for not liking an emo record? That's a tough call Andy. That's a tough call...

Andycazzo80 (April 27, 2006)

The record is cool you guys are fags

benz (April 27, 2006)

What's number 1? Epitaph? Subpop? Drive Thru?

benz (April 27, 2006)

Did that discourse really take place or is it just someone making it up to make fun of victory. Either way it's funny.

Marlon (April 27, 2006)

Really? Fat is only 39th?

Scruffy (April 27, 2006)

Fat Mike to Bill Gates…

Dear Bill,
Can I call you Bill? I doubt this will ever get through to you because of all the absurd corporate policies that mire your dated company. Here goes nothin’…

As the part-owner of the 39th biggest independent label I felt that it would be prudent for us to open up a dialog and proctor a mutually beneficial business plan that involves our two companies. After all Bill, we are talking about the 39th biggest independent punk label here. We don’t just peddle CDs and LPs at Fat Wreck Chords, we commodify the underground. Sometimes, with the help of the Black Arts, we go as far as to trap the very souls of our artists and auction off their life essence to interested parties. That’s how we stay ahead of the trends, and that’s what we’re offering to iTunes. For Fat and iTunes to work together it should be something special. Like the final/farewell episode of “Cheers”. Remember that, Bill? That’s what I’m talking about.

late,
fatty

Bill Gates to Fat Mike…

I’m not sure if you have the right guy. Neither my company, nor any of its subsidiaries is in any way affiliated with Apple/iTunes. Your email is unclear and I’m not sure what you’re inquiring about.

Bill

Fat Mike to Bill Gates…

At least I know that being the 39th biggest independent label in the country (not to mention the 5th biggest in Northern California) means nothing to someone who has absolutely no affiliation with Apple/iTunes. Maybe you should make some calls and start some affiliation. Maybe then you will realize what 39th really means.

fatty

Bill Gates to Fat Mike…

Hello Mike. Thanks for your interest in collaborating with us, but with all the happenings around our launching of Vista, we’re in no position to take on other endeavors. Good luck.

Bill

Fat Mike to Bill Gates…

“Good Luck”. Thanks for the kind gesture Bill, but it wasn’t luck that got me to 39th. One day we’re gonna be in the mid-to-low twenties. Then you’ll be sorry you didn’t jump at this opportunity. You’ll see.

Sincerely,
fatty

I haven't read this on Pn.O yet. If someone posted it elsewhere, sorry for the repost. But this is hilarious.

Marlon (April 27, 2006)

"Colin its obvious that you haven't been a fan of TBS and are using this review to smack down a good album."

As a friend of Colin's I can honestly say that he loves (loved?) the first TBS album, and seems to have been pretty effected by it. I tease him about it endlessly. You sir, are silly.

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

i love this website. it's like a bunch of retards fighting over the red crayon.

-TOBB

plaidical (April 27, 2006)

"the release of the incredibly underwhelming Where You Want to Be, "

okay. I really enjoyed that album. I dont know how to read the rest of the review now anymore

CaptainQuirk (April 27, 2006)

TAYF = great
WYWTB = good

this one = weak

ejaculine (April 27, 2006)

This one is not great = True
Nor is TAYF = Debatable (half of this board would
agree half would not)
WYWTB is amazing = nominated for dumbest commect of
the year

WYWTB wasnt amazing but it's still my favourite TBS cd. But I guess if I don't agree with you that I'm making a dumb comment too. Nice logic there...

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

This one isnt great, nor is Tell All Your Friends.. Where You Want to Be is the amazing...

---> could someone please shoot this person immediately. We don't want the incompetence virus to spread!

This one is not great = True
Nor is TAYF = Debatable (half of this board would agree half would not)
WYWTB is amazing = nominated for dumbest commect of the year

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

i havent listened to it much, but this review pretty rediculous. towards the biggining theres alot of complaining about how they cant be as good as "tell all your friends" and then towards the end it says they dont mature and sound to much like it.

crazytoledo (April 27, 2006)

'Decade Under the Influence' is the best song they've ever done. Besides the semi-ok single, this is pretty bad.

Scruffy (April 27, 2006)

If it was a good album, you wouldn't have to already be a fan to like it.

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

Colin its obvious that you haven't been a fan of TBS and are using this review to smack down a good album.

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

"amazing. great lyrics, songwriting, amazing. album of the year material."

How about you make damn sure to perform some 20/20 surgery in Miami?

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

boring...boring boring

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

they cant top tell all your freinds if they want to keep selling records

CaptainQuirk (April 27, 2006)

"not horrible, obviously better than WYWTB besides say 2 songs."

No. WYWTB is a good album. Definitely better than this. Outside of a couple songs, this is garbage.

GreenVandal (April 27, 2006)

Seems I was correct. Still gay.

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

not horrible, obviously better than WYWTB besides say 2 songs. certainly nothing on the level of Tell All Your Friends. that record is a classic and theyll never match up to that again. i think that TAYF probably hurt them because not a single original fan will be satisfied until they top it. solid effort though. if another band had written it, im sure there would be people legions of people acclaiming it.

CaptainQuirk (April 27, 2006)

"haha, that was going to be the other song in "really bad songs" that i was going to mention after miami and hte acoustic one. different strokes for different folks. most of the songs i jus treally don't like the vocals in."

I don't understand it. Seems like most people either dislike it or are just indifferent.

I stand by it being the best song on there. Most of the album doesn't impress me in the least. Boring and commercialized.

Anonymous (April 27, 2006)

This one isnt great, nor is Tell All Your Friends.. Where You Want to Be is the amazing... honestly though, TAYF is annoying, the back up singer voice sucks and the only track that guy has ever did well is Hands in the Sky (Big Shot) from Straylight Run...

sleepwalk (April 27, 2006)

100% agree on Error Operator being the best song. By far. One of their strongest tracks ever.

On another note, I'll take this chinsy acoustic track ANYDAY over the obviously-written-to-be-high-schoolers'-cheesy-prom-theme acoustic track on the last cd.

Big_Guy (April 26, 2006)

the single is alright, but maybe 2 other songs grabbed my attention.

this is pretty crappy

SLADE775 (April 26, 2006)

amazing. great lyrics, songwriting, amazing. album of the year material.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

this is for the ignorant punk bastards who throw the word "emo" around.
SHUT THE FUCK UP
nothing is emo anymore, that word should be nowhere near a TBS review. emo is basically gone. sunny day and mineral are gone. rights of spring and heroin are long gone.
HH, FFTL, MyCHem, are nowhere near emo.
Look the word up somewhere. until then remove it from your minute vocabularies.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

i've got a bad feeling about this (i've got a bad feeling about this)

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

i've got a bad feeling about this (i've got a bad feeling about this)

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

"u want punk? listen to NOFX, pennywise, bad religion, dead kennedys, ramones, clash, exploited, GBH, casualties, a global threat, unseen, rancid, the virus, cheap sex,black flag, anti-flag action, discharge, the misfits, minor threat, the vandals, the offspring(OLD STUFF), AFI(OLD STUFF), even green day can be called "punk". but taking back sunday? no."

BWAAAAHAAAHAAHAAHAAHAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

feeeding5000 (April 26, 2006)

Being as how I don't listen to this band, or really care how "talented" they are, I'm just gonna say that they suck. If they used to be on Victory, and now they're on a major, it's like a big pile of dog shit soemhow creeping from MTV2 to MTV.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

Um, to whoever said they're emo:

Hahahahahaha. I bet you classify HH as emo as well.

colin (April 26, 2006)

Don't like the album much as a whole, but the song "Twenty Twenty Surgery" is f'ing fantastic. Anybody else think this is the best song on the album?

I think it's far and away better than the rest, but most of the reviews/fan comments I've read don't even mention it.


haha, tha was going to be the other song in "really bad songs" that i was going ot mention after miami and hte acoustic one. different strokes for different folks. most of the songs i jus treally don't like the vocals in.

but i will say that error operator totally wrecks anything else on this disc. i love it.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

they arent punk. or pop-punk. they are emo. EMOOOOO. u want punk? listen to NOFX, pennywise, bad religion, dead kennedys, ramones, clash, exploited, GBH, casualties, a global threat, unseen, rancid, the virus, cheap sex,black flag, anti-flag action, discharge, the misfits, minor threat, the vandals, the offspring(OLD STUFF), AFI(OLD STUFF), even green day can be called "punk". but taking back sunday? no.

CaptainQuirk (April 26, 2006)

Don't like the album much as a whole, but the song "Twenty Twenty Surgery" is f'ing fantastic. Anybody else think this is the best song on the album?

I think it's far and away better than the rest, but most of the reviews/fan comments I've read don't even mention it.

benz (April 26, 2006)

"If you can't understand the hate it is because you are young and new to the "punk" genre."

And because punk rock is a club that you you have to pay dues by listening to the right music. Taking Back Sunday is not the right music, so you are low in the club's rankings. If you invest more time you can climb the ladder. It's kinda like scientology.

refusedpartyprogram (April 26, 2006)

This review is pretty accurate, except that I thought Where You Want To Be was amazing. Not as good as TAYF, but still pretty damn good. I don't think they lost anything with the new lineup at first, so I'm not quite sure what went wrong here. There's still a few good songs, but most of them lack that intensity their old stuff has, and there's not as many cool parts with memorable lyrics. There isn't as much vocal interplay either. And TBS have never had the song titles sung in the lyrics, what's up with that?

KirbyPuckett (April 26, 2006)

I gave this a shot..

booooooooooooring.

- Kirby

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

If you can't understand the hate it is because you are young and new to the "punk" genre.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

This CD is honestly amazing. Better than any of their older CDs if you ask me. I really don't understand all this fucking hate surrounding Louder Now. It's a solid CD through and through.

SuperRad (April 26, 2006)

man, I love northstar. score is for them.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

northstar and tbs used to play together. someone in tbs said during an interview that northstar was the best band ever, and northstar used that quote as a sticker on their record. tbs came out first and they had a following by then so i guess northstar thought it would help them sell records.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

I didn't really like the previous album, but I dig this one a lot.

colin (April 26, 2006)

My question is, as a stand alone record, is it any good?

no.

historypeats (April 26, 2006)

inagreendase: I could be wrong, since I never bought TAYF, but I think they had something in the liner notes along the lines of "Northstar is the greatest band ever." The release date for TAYF may have been earlier, but as far as direct influences go, I think Northstar was TBS' biggest one.

Then again, I could be completely wrong about this. Does someone who owns a copy of TAYF want to check on this?

sirens (April 26, 2006)

Harsh colin, but damn good review.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

It seems like the reviewer has gone out of his way to be harsh.

Most of the reasons he marked down the band seem to relate to their past efforts and the not the record itself, and don't really tie into what should be a 'review' of the album. of course i dont expect him to ignore the bands past, but i feel that colin has made of point of making sure we know what tbs used to sound like, when there is completely no need as i imagine 99% of the people on this site already know.

My question is, as a stand alone record, is it any good?

InaGreendase (April 26, 2006)

Uh...

Northstar - Is This Thing Loaded?
Released: Oct. 22, 2002

Taking Back Sunday - Tell All Your Friends
Released: March 26, 2002

What was someone saying about ITTL influencing TAYF?

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

if the oilers take out the detroit swedish euro's, i'll be happy.

same way if the devils take out the new york czechs.

i'm hopin montreal pulls of that upset. most people in carolina are wondering 'where are the cars'

VStoriesFallen (April 26, 2006)

This album fucking sucks.

benz (April 26, 2006)

oh wait, that link is wrong. my bad.

here's the real one

http://wevegotheadsonsticks.blogspot.com

benz (April 26, 2006)

Hey Tobb, I have a blog about whatever, and my most recent post addresses this topic.http://wevegotheadsonsticks.blogger.com

Scruffy (April 26, 2006)

"I love it when people say "kids" to give them a sense of superiority to people they disagree with."

I'm 24 this year. I know that's still young, but it's the first year that it really kicked me in the head and said "You're getting old." I'd like to still see myself as a "kid". Some of the time, when people say that, it's just a term like "the guy" or"the gang". Some of the time, it's sour grapes. Once you're old enough to buy booze, you should be able to stop getting older.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

interesting outlook benz. were gnr a good band? i mean, in their prime they skated around all the other faggy hairmetal bands because they had that "something" about them. now lazarra is no rose, lets not get that twisted, but i see what you're saying. tbs, for what they do and what they helped "define", might be the gnr of this time. interesting. i mean, gnr had a tough-guy image that tbs can't touch, but i definitely see where your head is at with that comment.
-TOBB

i also agree that nolan without tbs is awful. straylight run is fucking prom music at best. complete rubbish.

Eddy-Is-Fuckin-Dead (April 26, 2006)

I thought it wasn't too bad.
An improvement on the last album for sure, but obviously it can't be as good as the first album.
I just hope they still put on a good live show, although aparently it can be rather hit and miss.

historypeats (April 26, 2006)

I just checked the Cassino site (because I had forgotten the band existed), and it looks like they played a few shows with As Tall As Lions later this spring. No concrete news on an album, but I'd guess we'd see something somewhere down the line...

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

Oilers suck. Stupid trapping team. Cheer for Habs, they're gonna pull an upset.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

how about those oilers?

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

On that note. Does anyone have any idea if Cassino has any plans for an album. Those demos are ace.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

"historypeats" brings up an interesting point.

TAYF drew heavily from the influence of Northstar's "Is this thing loaded".

Both albums are great. But Northstar's follow-up "Pollyanna" kicks the hell out of WYWTB.

RIP Northstar.

Anonymous (April 26, 2006)

...Error Operator was written by John Nolan....

tylerdurden8136 (April 25, 2006)

louder now just seems like all the songs that didn't make it on WYWTB.

and it isn't that horrible, colin.

Marlon (April 25, 2006)

Why do people on this site hate quality reviews so much?

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

if you want BULLSHIT reviews...goto pitchfork.....fuck those bitches

arturoroxmysox (April 25, 2006)

I love it when people say "kids" to give them a sense of superiority to people they disagree with.

But anyway, this is a bad album.

colin (April 25, 2006)

maybe if colin was better at pool he would enjoy this album.

if i remember correctly i beat you at pool when last we played, regardless of how long it took.

Scruffy (April 25, 2006)

"Stupidly pretentious overly verbose review. There's no doubt the reviewer has a better command of the english language than most on this site - now you just have to work on being less of a snob."

I'd like to know exactly when being able to string a sentence together and use words longer than two syllables became "pretentious" and snobbish. Seriously. Just because some of the words confused you, AND because the reviewer disagrees with you doesn't make them pretentious. Not everything has to be dumbed down to eighth-grade level to be down to earth. This stigma in punk rock against actually being functionally intelligent needs to go.

rkl (April 25, 2006)

taking back sunday has classics?

chadthehawkpizza (April 25, 2006)

maybe if colin was better at pool he would enjoy this album.

ILOVESCOTT (April 25, 2006)

colin, your last paragrah was brilliant.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

I think that Scott had a good sense of things. TAYF is a fun album, but I think that WYWTB is a bit more interesting and this seems to be a step better. Overall a better album.

kindofalongwaydown (April 25, 2006)

Yeah, talk about long winded. I would rather read your review than that fuckers comment.

colin (April 25, 2006)

Stupidly pretentious overly verbose review. There's no doubt the reviewer has a better command of the english language than most on this site - now you just have to work on being less of a snob.

i liked this comment so much i'm just re-posting it. the first sentence is what really makes it gold (read: irony).

historypeats (April 25, 2006)

Also, in case anyone forgot, "Tell All Your Friends" sounded almost identical to Northstar's "Is This Thing Loaded?", only the TBS CD wasn't as good. I would have much rather have seen Northstar hit it big.

Northstar > TBS

Also, TBS without Nolan isn't that great, but Nolan without TBS is terrible.

Finally, I think people exaggerate a lot when comparing TAYF and WYWTB. TAYF's good songs are better than WYWTB's, but a lot of the album was forgettable...maybe it would have affected me more if I had listened to it when it was first release, but I've always thought it was boring.

benz (April 25, 2006)

I love the small undercurrent of posters who think this is the best TBS album to date. I agree.

Their other albums weren't really that good and this is the first cohesive record this band has made. I really think that a lot of the flak against them has to do with the fact that they are very popular.

I was thinking earlier, that Taking Back Sunday is today's Guns n Roses, not stylistically, but what they represent.

Was Guns n Roses good? Not particularly, but they still had some solid albums. That's Taking Back Sunday. They're a solid band, but nothing artistically great. They just write rock songs.

-benz

historypeats (April 25, 2006)

Really mediocre, but still not quite as bad as reviewed; it's probably closer to a 4, or a 5 if you're still really into this stuff.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

"Stupidly pretentious overly verbose review. There's no doubt the reviewer has a better command of the english language than most on this site - now you just have to work on being less of a snob. I love this record...shit, then again I really liked WYWTB so i must be an idiot, right?"

the fact that you used the word pretentious makes you the blathering idiot. you loving taking back sunday is your prerogative and inconsequential to any insinuation of idiocy or bufoonery.

TK (April 25, 2006)

This review is extremely well written and better than this will be. Great points from both sides. But I do think the compare and contrast with WYWTB is a bit off. I feel like if you switched when the 2 cd's were released, people would be saying WYWTB was a big step back. Louder is way better produced and the music does seems to have grown. It is a step forward even if it is a small one. Another star or so better than what was given. Next, I realize you used Brand New because they are always compared but Brand Who??? Deja Entendu came out in 2003. They grew up between Favorite Weapon and Deja and then what let 3 years go by. Also, giving suburban kids something to feel bad about is the whole Deja Entendu album. They are way more guilty of that than TBS. Oh yeah, the silver spoon feed bit. Come on man, we are all reading this on the friggin Internet. So even if you were born on 123 Fake St. on the wrong side of town, you seem to be doing alright. You have DSL or wireless or some crap. Well back to my palatial estate. By the way I am having a bit of a get together later. How would you like to mow my lawn. Hmmmm. Hmmmmm..

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Stupidly pretentious overly verbose review. There's no doubt the reviewer has a better command of the english language than most on this site - now you just have to work on being less of a snob. I love this record...shit, then again I really liked WYWTB so i must be an idiot, right?

kindofalongwaydown (April 25, 2006)

Kids, Make sure to not forget your hot topic discount card.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Louder Now is strong beginning to end. The band sounds tight and their songs are more dynamic than anything else they've done. If you wanted them to make TAYF again, it's not happening and that's a good thing. I'm actually frusterated at the stupidity of some of the comments on this... ie:

"Tell All Your Friends is a really really good record. I haven't heard this, but I'm assuming that it's not."

Also, people are criticizing TBS for writing melodic songs... what do you think they were trying to do on TAYF?

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Meh. I think there's been way more growth in their last two albums than their first one. Through the writing style, and the actual music.

Oh well.

/goes back to new Tool album

thirtyseconds (April 25, 2006)

Shit band, shit album. All I can say is I´m reasonably drunk in sunny Spain rocking it to the new NOFX. xxx

mcgregor107 (April 25, 2006)

wow i must say.. this review is pretty fantastic.. good job colin. the last paragraph is the best part.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Download*

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Downloaded Error Operator and bang your head against your desk because the band you fell in love with when you were twelve years old has failed again.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

OK, I will usually agree with 95% of the reviews on the entire site...this is just another one to add to that 5%. Like many posters, prior to this album being heard, I despised TBS, They are truly the fathers of this soon to be dying scene. However, this album completely shreds things up. Please, think of them as a new, harder, edgier and fundamentally better band. If 'Spin' isn't the best song I've heard this year, then I don't know what is.

Come on guys listen to me, I'm a jawbreaker fan for fucks sake!

greyicewater (April 25, 2006)

he didn't call the band emo. he called them a post-hardcore pop-influenced band.

steveman (April 25, 2006)

Calling TBS emo voids this review.

lookmommyididit (April 25, 2006)

dissapointing

somegirl (April 25, 2006)

Damn, you're sheltered. When I was 13 I had heard PLENTY of albums that were "incredibly well done". And I'm not even talking underground.

Nirvana
Beastie Boys
Faith No More
NWA
Public Enemy
Metallica
Stevie Wonder

I could go on...


I knew about these. I don't know though, in my school, Nirvana was so played that after a year, a good half of the student population hated them, same with Beastie Boys and Metallica. I probably should've worded that differently.

colin (April 25, 2006)

They're still playing songs with a similar structure and singing about car crashes and other tragedies that most of you emofags won't experience.

yeah, and fuck any artist who doesn't sing / paint / create something in regards to everyday heartbreak that is a sure seller in the industry. last i heard thursday had what, two songs about a car crash? a majority of their songs are political and social commentary.

also, do your research. there were 6,328,000 car crashes in 2003 in the united states. there were 281,421,906 citizens of the us as of april 2000. chances are a car crash involves at least 2 people, but if it's just 2 we'll say it's 12 million people in the us were in a car crash of some kind in 2003. i hardly say that is something that people "rarely experience."

while you might have not enjoyed thursday to begin wiht, or don't enjoy where they're at now, you can't deny by simply listening from the transition between "waiting" and "a city by the light divided," there is an obvious change. next time use a better example.

sickboi (April 25, 2006)

Damn, you're sheltered. When I was 13 I had heard PLENTY of albums that were "incredibly well done". And I'm not even talking underground.

Nirvana
Beastie Boys
Faith No More
NWA
Public Enemy
Metallica
Stevie Wonder

I could go on...

somegirl (April 25, 2006)

This review was great, and I agree. For me, the issue is that Tell All Your Friends was one of the first records I heard that I thought was incredibly well done and just all around good. Take into account, however, that I must've been 13 or so when this happened. If TAYF was to be released today, I don't think I'd be as into it was I was then, and the reason I like it so much now are all the things I associate with it. It seems that TBS, instead of trying to grow and evolve, is trying to make another TAYF for a new group of 13 year olds to love. If that works, then good for them, but a lot of the people that got into them years ago are going to be alienated.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

Thursday hasn't grown in 6 years. They're still playing songs with a similar structure and singing about car crashes and other tragedies that most of you emofags won't experience.

All major record label debuts suck. Death Cab For Cutie and Saves the Day would agree.

dusticles (April 25, 2006)

"anybody who thinks TAYF wasn't one of the most influential records in this scene in the last 5 years is an idiot."

yah influential for more shitty bands to produce cookie cutter albums we can do without. THANK YOU Taking Back Sunday!

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

anybody who thinks TAYF wasn't one of the most influential records in this scene in the last 5 years is an idiot.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

did you even read the review? i never mentioned it being not punk enough, and i certainly would not associate a band capitalizing on their fame for dramatic internet breakups with punk rock. i could give two shits what mtv thinks of bands. i'm sure thursday will be all over mtv pretty soon and i still love that band because they've shown artistic growth that merits support; they've evolved while maintaining their sound. taking back sunday has only become more generic, more repetative, and more predictable. it seems like you're using hte fact it is nothing more than radio rock as a reason to not say, "sorry, this is just bad." i tried giving the band the benefit of the doubt, but fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice... you can't get fooled again.

dunno why i just quoted the prez... makes sense somehow.

When I said that there was an overarching theme of not being “punk enough” etc. on punknews I was not specifically referring to individuals using the terminology in reviews. Nor was I specifically speaking about your review, rather as a theme on punknews any poster boy pop punk band is labeled as such and quickly disregarded. (Examples being Panic at the disco, Fallout Boy and Taking Back Sunday.) And to be honest with you, I despise most of what these bands do and their following as much as the next guy. I remember going to TBS shows where there were small crowds and avid fans. Then one time I went and it was abercombie and 13 year old girls whining about mosh pits. Thats when I stopped going. I agree brand new has evolved and a friend let me have a listen to their new disc (sounds good very smiths / elliot smith esque). But this record is not the atrocity you make it out to be, and by giving such reviews I feel that you are merely furthering this attitude amongst punknews readers. This is not an attack towards you Colin, you seem like a good fellow, I just see things moving in this direction and it sickens me. I stand by my statement that this record is at least a 3 (and I will post a review if I have a chance as soon as my exams are done). You say they have not grown, but this is substantially better than last years offering, which to me is certainly a sign of growth.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

So basically, what you're saying is since the band went out of their way to write catchy hooks and lyrics, they suck...and since they're a good band, they can't possibly be as good as they are, so therefor they suck? What the hell are all of you people talking about? It's a good CD don't take into account a bands body of work, just take into account the CD you are reviewing

boba_fett (April 25, 2006)

i just busted out tell all your friends after reading this review, and even though my tastes have changed considerably since i bought that album, its still pretty good.

colin (April 25, 2006)

All things said though... this record is not a 2 star record, now this is just another pretentious punknews review.. and i see it happening more and more. This is "not punk enough" or "not indie enough" or "not (fill in the blank enough)". I feel like I am reading a pitchfork review with the elitist attitude being exhibited. To be honest, I have listened to this record numerous times and I do not hate it. It is no "tell all your friends"... but it is tolerable and certainly deserving of 3 to 3 and half stars. If this did not say Taking Back Sunday on the label I am sure it would have recieved at least this grade. The stigma Taking Back Sunday has generated in the music industry has created this extreme loathing by the underground crowd, and I can certainly understand why. But still, come on now, lets give out accurate reviews not slanted or biased by our extreme hatred for MTV. Otherwise we are no better than Mr. Tate and believe me nobody wants to be Mr. Tate.

did you even read the review? i never mentioned it being not punk enough, and i certainly would not associate a band capitalizing on their fame for dramatic internet breakups with punk rock. i could give two shits what mtv thinks of bands. i'm sure thursday will be all over mtv pretty soon and i still love that band because they've shown artistic growth that merits support; they've evolved while maintaining their sound. taking back sunday has only become more generic, more repetative, and more predictable. it seems like you're using hte fact it is nothing more than radio rock as a reason to not say, "sorry, this is just bad." i tried giving the band the benefit of the doubt, but fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice... you can't get fooled again.

dunno why i just quoted the prez... makes sense somehow.

rinjonjori (April 25, 2006)

I liked:

# "Make Damn Sure"
# "My Blue Heaven"
# "Miami"
# "Error Operator"

yes, Miami, but for themost part this didnt' move me at all. i like the guy who said "I will probably agree with you but buy the album anyway" Warner Brothers loves you guys. Hopefully TBS will benefit from you benefecance(?)

HTTP://rnanothersunnydayinpop.blogspot.com

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

great review, I'm going to go get the album now and see if I agree with you, but I have a feeling I will.

paul

leifkills (April 25, 2006)

Great review.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

"All things said though... this record is not a 2 star record, now this is just another pretentious punknews review.. and i see it happening more and more. This is "not punk enough" or "not indie enough" or "not (fill in the blank enough)". I feel like I am reading a pitchfork review with the elitist attitude being exhibited. To be honest, I have listened to this record numerous times and I do not hate it. It is no "tell all your friends"... but it is tolerable and certainly deserving of 3 to 3 and half stars. If this did not say Taking Back Sunday on the label I am sure it would have recieved at least this grade. The stigma Taking Back Sunday has generated in the music industry has created this extreme loathing by the underground crowd, and I can certainly understand why. But still, come on now, lets give out accurate reviews not slanted or biased by our extreme hatred for MTV. Otherwise we are no better than Mr. Tate and believe me nobody wants to be Mr. Tate."

Bravo. This is a very good rock album.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

This records's pretty damn good, and I'm pretty surprised.
I picked up their first record used for like $5, and after listening to it, I broke it. It really sucks.
Their second album was given to me by a friend, and I got through about 3 sounds before taking it out of my CD player and throwing it out the window of my car.

This CD, I listened to last week when it was streaming. I was pretty embarassed ( and still am) to admit that I really like it. So, I listened to it again, and copied the stream. I haven't listened to it again since.
However, if I do listen to it again, I may hate it. So...

the 8 is for that first day, though I'll probably never listen to it again.

I'm an asstard.

CUAPUNKRADIO (April 25, 2006)

"Tell All Your Friends set in motion a plethora of Taking Back Sunday rip-offs whose albums were nothing but plagairized half-screams and lyrics that gave suburban kids a false sense of tragedy in order to justify their silver-spoon lives."

one of the best lines ever written on this site

inagreendase (April 25, 2006)

To the guy 2 posts below: Pitchfork wouldn't have given any credit to Tell All Your Friends.

On one listen of this and several of that 4-song sampler, "Liar" is awesome and the single is decent. Seemed to be a lot of filler but I'll give it another chance later this week. I don't think it'll be as bad as the score implicates.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

i keep thinking of that "party" song that goes, "a little bit softer now" and "a little bit louder now"

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

True Taking Back Sunday with out Nolan is like a Angelina Jolie without breasts.
True their last cd sounded like an Ashlee Simpson record.
True their lead Adam is trying way to hard.
I refused to listen to their last cd more than once (and regreted that one ear bleeding session) and cut all ties I ever had with Taking Back Sunday. Burned the T-shirts etc.
All things said though... this record is not a 2 star record, now this is just another pretentious punknews review.. and i see it happening more and more. This is "not punk enough" or "not indie enough" or "not (fill in the blank enough)". I feel like I am reading a pitchfork review with the elitist attitude being exhibited. To be honest, I have listened to this record numerous times and I do not hate it. It is no "tell all your friends"... but it is tolerable and certainly deserving of 3 to 3 and half stars. If this did not say Taking Back Sunday on the label I am sure it would have recieved at least this grade. The stigma Taking Back Sunday has generated in the music industry has created this extreme loathing by the underground crowd, and I can certainly understand why. But still, come on now, lets give out accurate reviews not slanted or biased by our extreme hatred for MTV. Otherwise we are no better than Mr. Tate and believe me nobody wants to be Mr. Tate.

colin (April 25, 2006)

i love how this kid is talking about "tell all your friends" like it was the pinnacle of modern music.

no, i'm talking about tell all your friends as what it is - a ridiculously influential album in the modern pop punk / pop core scene. it set a pretty high bar as far as that type of music is concerned, and there is no way that anything this band has done since has been able to really match it.

branden (April 25, 2006)

the cover art is fucking hideous. i havent seen anything that lame all year

sickboi (April 25, 2006)

And now I feel REALY stupid....not only for fucking up the first post, but then reposting it IN THE WRONG THREAD.

sickboi (April 25, 2006)

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW HARD IT WAS TO TOUR, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FUCKING BLACK FLAG. PUT OUT A REAL DVD, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Seriously. I think any touring band needs to read Get In The Van before they bitch. And even Ginn said it wasn't that bad...

sickboi (April 25, 2006)

SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HOW HARD IT WAS TO TOUR, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT FUCKING BLACK FLAG. PUT OUT A REAL DVD, FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Seriously. I think any touring band needs to read

maverick (April 25, 2006)

Well-written review, but unnecessarily harsh. In all honesty, most of this album sounds like a Breaking Pangaea album, and I'll back that any day of the week. "Liar (It Takes One To Know One)" is one of the best songs of the year thus far, and while "Miami" and "20/20 Surgery" are complete filler, "Spin" and "Error Operator" more than neutralize that threat.

Best, most cohesive record this band's made to date.

-Scott

danperrone (April 25, 2006)

this album sucks sucks sucks sucks sucks, and i even gave it a full, open-minded listen

i can't stand listening to a band that goes out of their way to create the most ultra catchiest, gimmicky vocal lines ever

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

"Tell All Your Friends set in motion a plethora of Taking Back Sunday rip-offs whose albums were nothing but plagairized half-screams and lyrics that gave suburban kids a false sense of tragedy in order to justify their silver-spoon lives."

This is the best line I have ever read anywhere. Because its true.

I love you man.

elliot (April 25, 2006)

i love how this kid is talking about "tell all your friends" like it was the pinnacle of modern music.

fistchode (April 25, 2006)

Blue and Pinkerton are both fantastic records. Pinkerton is the better one though.

sickboi (April 25, 2006)

Pinkerton is a good album, but anyone who says it better than their debut is lying to themselves.

Finally, someone with some common sense on this issue around here. The Blue album was so fucking fun, simplistic, yet clever.

Back to the subject at hand. I never gave a rat's fuck about this band. Don't compare this bullshit to Lifetime, because you know what? At least they played with intensity and real emotion, not this crybaby pseudo-artistic nonsense. The funniest part is you all act so suprised. Tell All Your Friends wasn't a masterpiece, it was a standard record that got fat chicks wet because they thought it showed the "emotional" side of hardcore. Whatever...

baseball (April 25, 2006)

Saturday at my school's campus i helped carry some of this bands equipment in as part of some community service i'd been assigned at my school's spring festival type deal

they had a pretty sweet looking tour bus

as for the show, i didn't think it'd be worth $10 even though that's probably the cheapest show this band will play on tour...so yeah, not too impressed personally but the swarm of high school kids seemed to be pretty into it

benz (April 25, 2006)

also, by no means is Thursday changing their style at all. while brand new is good, especially deja entendu, everyone acts like it was the artistic statement of the century.

benz (April 25, 2006)

I've only heard this album for one day, and I would never categorize myself as a taking back sunday fan, but i've heard all their stuff.

I don't know why the reviewer cares so much about returning to roots, usually bands suck when they return to their roots (and in the case of this band, their roots weren't even that good).

Bands should move forward not backward. That being said, I honestly believe that this is the best album that Taking Back Sunday has recorded.

As for all the people saying this band sucks without John Nolan, have you heard Straylight Run? That's the sort of music he would make without taking back sunday, really really sappy ballads.

-Love not-a-taking-back-sunday-fan-but-this-album-is-good-man

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

alright, so I CANT stop listening to the new Souls album...I know that statement had nothing to do with this review, but who cares...it's a TBS review

MikeStupid (April 25, 2006)

"when I said Weezer phenomena, I should have said phenomenon. Very embarrassing"

I had to read this twice before I figured out it didn't say "Weezer pneumonia."

I think I need sleep.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

pretty harsh. buuuut can't please anyone. i don't dislike this band in any way. this record is leaps and bounds ahead of their last effort, and technically more sound than their debut.

totally unrelated, "you in reverse" by built to spill is a fantastic record. hope i don't lose any scene points for that. homos.
-TOBB

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

the last paragraph is some of the best prose i have read on this site

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Im not even a big Brand New fan, but i take them over this band. so there i said it. Brand new > Taking back Sunday.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

pinkerton is my fav, followed by blue.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

im gonna go listen to the lawerence arms now

istapledmyfoot (April 25, 2006)

btw when I said Weezer phenomena, I should have said phenomenon. Very embarrassing.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Pinkerton is a good album, but anyone who says it better than their debut is lying to themselves.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Last paragraph = = ACE !

istapledmyfoot (April 25, 2006)

haha, colin, it looks like we disagree on Pinkerton. **cough** overrated **cough**. No but seriously, great album, but maybe not the best thing to ever be recorded.

dadudebob (April 25, 2006)

tbs is one of the best bands in the last 5 years
i loved tayf
i didnt care for wywtb
when i heard makedamnsure, i knew how awesome they were
i cant wait for the rest of it

colin (April 25, 2006)

and maybe Pinkerton wasn't even that great in the first place

i'm hoping you're keeping your metaphorical reference to tell all your friends as the tbs equivelant of pinkerton

because saying pinkerton is anything less than a 10 is blasphemous.

but if you're talking about TAYF, i agree. although i loved it forever and still defend it, i know it's just more sentimental than being something legitimately new and mind boggling.

istapledmyfoot (April 25, 2006)

I was absolutely a part of the 'livejournal traumatization' (I literally fucking have a post somewhere in my livejournal about it), which is pretty embarrassing. TAYF will always hold a special place in my heart, but the next one is pretty forgettable and this one sounds maybe even worse. Plus, Straylight Run is balls. Like the review and a bunch of people on here have already said I can't get why people think these dudes are still such a big deal.

It's like a less significant version of the Weezer phenomena. People keep waiting for the next Pinkerton but seriously guys.. it's never happening, and maybe Pinkerton wasn't even that great in the first place.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Booooooo, they get a 3! Way too fucking generous.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

solid review.

dusticles (April 25, 2006)

the person below me is an idiot. this band fucking blows. great review with great reasons as to why you disliked the CD. score is for the review

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Fuck this review.

This band is the next greatest thing in rock music. It's sad when people bitch about them cause because they're good. Maybe you should start your own band?

The music is great and you can really relate to the lyrics. Definitely picking this one up.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

super gay

Vincent_M (April 25, 2006)

Just like Miami! Fucking Miami! Sharks circling, for the feeding, all hope has been abandoned, like ballots drifting into the ocean!

THAT'S the good Miami

the_ken_chin_imposter (April 25, 2006)

Score is for the last paragraph in the review.

fistchode (April 25, 2006)

Tell All Your Friends is a really really good record. I haven't heard this, but I'm assuming that it's not.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

yeah, uhh, one question. why the hell would anyone call anything released in the past 5 years or more emo? where did that misconception begin?

alahanno (April 25, 2006)

and buy another copy and not open the copy to cry on

alahanno (April 25, 2006)

I cried I was so happy when I heard this

MikeStupid (April 25, 2006)

TBS is definitely one of the better mall-core emo bands. But that's kind of like saying a fart smells better than another fart. I'd still rather be smelling something else.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

tell all your friends is to AP.net kids what "hello bastards" is to most of us. respect that.

with that said, im excited to hear this tomorrow.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

i really think that saying this band has improved since" tell all you friends" would be the most punishable lie to leave my mouth in some time. Along with two very talented musicians, they lost their heart. We now see a watered down wannabe TBS who wont ever get back to wear they were. oh, and for the record, "Tell all your friends" WILL be recognized as a seminal record in the coming years, if it hasnt been allready. it changed an entire scene, not to mention promoted a scene more than any other albums have since its release.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

Warner just dropped them.

greyicewater (April 25, 2006)

"...post-hardcore pop-influenced genre that everyone decides to call emo."

i'm very glad you said that.

thelindberghbaby (April 25, 2006)

This is not THAT bad. It's not fantastic by any means, but it's certainly better than 1 and 1/2 stars. I'd give it 3 or 3 and a half stars.

It's not like Tell All You Friends was some kind of seminal punk record. Give me a fucking break. This band has definitely improved on that, if nothing else.

mattp330 (April 25, 2006)

to be honest, besides a couple songs, john nolan is nothing special without taking back sunday

colin (April 25, 2006)

cant believe this band is still followed so cultishly by so many.

oddly enough my good friend dan said he wished that another band had put louder now out so he could hate it. but simply because he loved tell all your friends so much, he can't bring himself to dislike the band as they are now.

it's pretty lame.

mattp330 (April 25, 2006)

i remember back in the day when bands like afi, taking back sunday, avenged sevenfold, etc. were loved on this site. its amazing what a major label deal and a legion of copycats will do

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

TBS has nothing special without John Nolan. His sincerity was what made this band something special. Tell all your friends was rediculously good, but since they lost their luster. call it maturity, i call it a dive into mediocrity. cant believe this band is still followed so cultishly by so many.

MarkRowan (April 25, 2006)

Did they not post mine because I gave it a 1/2 star more?

Jason_Tate (April 25, 2006)

Don't even bother reading this review. "Louder Now" is amazing.

Anonymous (April 25, 2006)

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GreenVandal (April 25, 2006)

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