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The Mars Volta / Saul Williams

The Mars Volta / Saul Williams: live in Madisonlive in Madison (2003)
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Reviewer Rating: 2.5


Contributed by: Bo
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Having heard great things about The Mars Volta's live show, I couldn't wait to see if they would live up to expectations. The show was being held at the Barrymore Theater, a 900-capacity venue with 750 seats and a pit area. The Barrymore was a very well-kept place with good sound and atmosphere, as .



Having heard great things about The Mars Volta's live show, I couldn't wait to see if they would live up to expectations. The show was being held at the Barrymore Theater, a 900-capacity venue with 750 seats and a pit area. The Barrymore was a very well-kept place with good sound and atmosphere, as well as a no-smoking policy. Great place to see a show.

At about 8:00, the lights dimmed, and poet Saul Williams walked onto the stage with nothing but a book and a water bottle. He then launched into a very energetic and intelligent couple of poems, before stopping to talk to the audience and crack a few jokes. Now, he may have just been talking into a microphone, but this guy had charisma! His poems were recited with a passion, and he really knew how to keep people entertained. I think that the crowd in general was not sure how they would react to a spoken-word performance, but judging from the applause and attention he got, it went over very well. He was also very gracious and eloquent, thanking the crowd for listening to him and getting his message across in a positive, interesting way. Funny and intelligent. Check him out, it's worth it.

After a 30-minute wait, The Mars Volta took the stage to huge applause, and, without acknowledging the crowd, started a blazing rendition of Roulette Dares. This sounded fantastic! Next was an equally superb version of Drunkship of Lanterns, with some extended solo sections. Twenty minutes in, it was shaping up to be the best show I had ever seen. Then, they started Cicatriz ESP. Now, at more than 12 minutes on the CD, this song, while very good, was a little too long. Unfortunately, they seemed to disagree, playing the song for more than 30 minutes. They played many solos that were technically great during the course of the song, but the slow tempo they adopted for most of the song sort of killed the energy. A pit full of excited kids was turned into a bunch of people just standing there, staring. Yes, they're great musicians, but this song was incredibly long and boring. It just turned into a big blur of a slow groove with Cedric wailing over the top. Next up was Televators, a great song, but a poor choice to follow 30 minutes of slow jamming. By this point, the energy was just about gone. This song was also made overly long. I got excited again when they started my favorite song off the album, Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt. But this too was turned into a slow jam-fest. This ended up being the last song of the concert, and the end of it had the band showing energy again, but it just wasn't enough.

The show, overall, was boring. The Mars Volta often played in ten minutes what they could have done in two. In an hour and a half, they played five songs. They are technically great, but they extended their songs to the point that people just became bored. Not a word was spoken to the crowd. It was like they were playing for themselves, not caring that they had people who paid money to see them. It was a boring, unneccesary set. De-Loused is an amazing album, but it's disappointing how little time they spent playing anything off that album. This was an amazing band that put on a very disappointing show.

 


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Anonymous (December 29, 2004)

different people have different taste. u dont like the show? get up and fucking leave instead of whining like a dog... u buy a shirt, try it the first time, it looks ok, u go back home, try it again, it looks like shit, who are u going to blame? improvs sometimes turns out ok, sometimes it doesnt. its the same things as playing guitar solos, its not like u bumfucks can play a good one everytime...

Anonymous (December 14, 2003)

I dont go to a show to get thanked for going. I go to see the band play their music. I saw the mars volta in glasgow and was amazed. SO different, SO good. What an experience. If you get bored by long songs you dont have much imagination in my eyes.

Anonymous (November 5, 2003)

When i saw them in Toronto they played the entire album straight through with extended jams it was by far the best liove show i have ever seen dont listen to this fuckin review go check them out its worth the $20 they charge to get in...Saul Williams if fuckin incredible too.

at_the_drive_in_21 (October 30, 2003)

Alright, fuck all this not acknowledging the crowd BS - at their show in Toronto they thanked the crowd for coming out and they thanked Rye Coalition and Saul Williams.
I just recently came across a bootleg on suprnova.org of that same show and it confirms it. Cedric fucking thanks the crowd, now shut up.
Also, the bootleg is damn fine quality, anyone into bit torrent check it out!

funkisdead (October 24, 2003)

yeah, motorhead fucking rock
the metalheads claim them, but we all know the truth.

BSD (October 20, 2003)

Okay, early 70s better to LZ: Iggy and the Stooges.

Late 70s better to LZ: Motorhead.

funkisdead (October 20, 2003)

page kept things musical, and he fucking rocked. he fucking owned the guitar. now, people can play faster. but faster isn't always better when it comes to playing guitar, unless its fucking downstrokes.
he was innovative. he played for the song, had some monster, legendary riffs, and revolutionized the sound of modern rock guitar.
that is why he owns.

Anonymous (October 20, 2003)

I'm with BSD on this. LZ could play the instruments, but it was such meathead rock in the sense that it was covered in cliches yet dubbed so "serious". You fuckers wanna know where the rock was in the 70's? Try Kiss. Bitches.

-sickboi

Anonymous (October 20, 2003)

god you guys are stuck up fucks.

Nonsense (October 19, 2003)

"This is music for a musician to appreciate, and there are people who do play the bass and are maddened at the fact that the bass is always left out of the equation for improvization."

Actually, there are plenty of jazz bass solos, but not a whole lot of people here seem to listen to much of that.

I have tickets to see this tour in a week in Boston. Although I am a jazz musician with an appreciation for lengthy improvisation, this review and the comments have made me a bit weary of going now, but the tickets were free, so I think I can deal.

Jesse (October 19, 2003)

I'm just saying you were talking about Pink Floyd, and then mentioned Jimmy and John, sounded like you were referring to them as being park of Pink Floyd. And for the record, Jimmy Page blew on the guitar. He had nuthin'.

Anonymous (October 19, 2003)

bsd doesn't like anything released after 1979. thus, the bands influenced around that time were just copycats and clones. the good bands influenced by zep were in the 80s... ratt, poison, motley crue.

funkisdead (October 19, 2003)

jesse, you mother fucker. you rag me all over the place! ;)

i don't like led zeppelin. i like page and bonham. they were the fucking dynamic duo. i do like pink floyd. as a band. thus, i typed a blanket statement, consisting of two sentences that covered both bands.
obviously page nor bonham were in pink floyd.

so again, fuck you kindly. say nice things, and don't assume all people are idiots.

Anonymous (October 19, 2003)

"but regardless whether you like them or not, their musical contributions cant be ignored."

Yeah, tell me about good bands they've influenced and I'll believe you.

-BSD

Jesse (October 19, 2003)

Jimmy Page and John Bohnam were in Led Zepplin....dumbass....

Anonymous (October 19, 2003)

i saw them in TO in july and they played the whole deloused album beginning to end. i enjoyed it because i enjoy the musicianship as much as the the songs themselves, i can see how some people would be pissed, especially if they are mixing up and extending the songs. i think people need to eat acid to enjoy them. to the half wit who said zeppelin sucks, you dont have to like the band, and you seem to base your dislike of them on the fans at a time when you werent even born, so thats makes you even smarter. but regardless whether you like them or not, their musical contributions cant be ignored.

funkisdead (October 19, 2003)

and i just wrote WAY more than i thought.

funkisdead (October 19, 2003)

pink floyd were great for their time. they were fucking inspired. jimmy page and john bonham are two of the greatest rock musicians ever.

as for my two cents... i play guitar. i think of the guitar as a medium for the transmission of human emotion. other guitarists think of it the same way. whether its ian mackaye or fucking bb king, their guitars sing for them and they have an infinite range of colors which they use to paint portraits of the human psyche. i think that omar recognizes this, and just takes it a bit overboard. i agree that 30 minutes of jamming is a bit much. i have seen phish, they jam much longer than that, but they keep things flowing, shit changes, rises, falls, evolves. given the disparate musical backgrounds between phish and tmv, i can see where boredom could settle in.

in the 70s, prog rock was prententious. reintroducing a practically dead genre to the public is a ballsy move in every respect. the record is dynamic, and they have the potential to really fucking stir things up in the music scene. but, like scott and many of you have said, ignoring the people who put food on your table, just because you have a major label budget, is complete bullshit. music is for the fans. the jams are meant to incorporate the fans into psyche of the artist, but i can understand claims that things are a little ridiculous.

tmv are still a relatively young band, despite prior experience in the industry. i think that they are still trying their songs on for size. the album was really an innovative creation, and they seem to be trying to extend that element of constant innovation to their live performances.

in my opinion, i think the jams will taper off as the band gets used to themselves and their music. some songs seem to lend themselves to jamming more than others, and i think that they will be weary of gaining a reputation as a pretentious jam band. they are constantly evolving, and i think that any hesistance to drop the cash for a live show stemming from fear of being subjected to an endless jamfest should be sedated by the desire to catch a musical, creative machine in the midst of its development.

Anonymous (October 19, 2003)

I saw the Ottawa show last night. The Mars Volta's setlist was I believe the same as the Columbus show's:

Roulette Dares
Drunkship Of Lanterns
Concertina
Cicatriz ESP
Televators
Take The Veil

There was lots of jamming (Cicatriz was again 30-40 minutes) but unlike the reviewer I loved this. I disagree with the fact that all the jams were "slow-jams" though. Most of them were pumped-up and rocking, and slower jams appeared usually only when they were called for. The bass solo in Take The Veil was something else... it made it all the better when I got to meet the bassist after the show.

Oh, and check out Saul Williams for sure. His poetry added to the evening greatly.

Anonymous (October 18, 2003)

"Haha, you're right Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin don't matter...*sarcasm*"

No. I'm not afraid to say I think both of those bands suck. Actually I like really old PF, but "the Zep", as of all their mullet headed, beer bellied fans call them, just suck. Shitty music is shitty music no matter how much time has passed.

-BSD

Anonymous (October 18, 2003)

Isis are several times better than the Mars Volta. The End.

Anonymous (October 17, 2003)

Haha, you're right Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin don't matter...*sarcasm*

Anonymous (October 17, 2003)

See, this is my point: These guys are serious musicians, and that doesn't make for an exciting live experience... Prog is just overly self indulgent... There's no other way to describe it... This is mainstream 70s rock put into context after an entire musical movement rose to popularity by playing short, sloppy sets... And it just comes off as trite and nostalgic for a time that didn't matter.

-BSD

maverick (October 17, 2003)

Jesse, I think you're missing the point. No one is asking for Cedric and Omar to wisecrack; I doubt anyone expected that going in. The Mars Volta is a serious band, and people respect that. The problem comes in with the fact that hundreds of people have paid to see the band perform live, essentially paying for that band to live another day. It certainly wouldn't be inappropriate for the band to say "thank you" at least once. By completely ignoring their audience, it doesn't make them any better as a band, it simply makes them look like total pretentious assholes.

I am a fan of the Mars Volta, and think De-Loused In The Comatorium is one of the best CDs this year. But had I gone to see them live and been given the cold shoulder as much as all these other crowds had, I would be just as upset.

-Scott

maverick (October 17, 2003)

Jesse, I think you're missing the point. No one is asking for Cedric and Omar to wisecrack; I doubt anyone expected that going in. The Mars Volta is a serious band, and people respect that. The problem comes in with the fact that hundreds of people have paid to see the band perform live, essentially paying for that band to live another day. It certainly wouldn't be inappropriate for the band to say "thank you" at least once. By completely ignoring their audience, it doesn't make them any better as a band, it simply makes them look like total pretentious assholes.

I am a fan of the Mars Volta, and think De-Loused In The Comatorium is one of the best CDs this year. But had I gone to see them live and been given the cold shoulder as much as all these other crowds had, I would be just as upset.

-Scott

Jesse (October 17, 2003)

For the guy at the Pittsburgh show, they probably only played about four songs, and for the bootlegger, they did actually play a song that timed 33 minutes. So you are both wrong. If you don't like them, fine, but you can't contest their musicianship. This is why they would be pricks if the sound wasn't right. They're musicians whose sole goal is to play the music that they want to. If someone else is screwing up this goal, they're going to be mad at them. And it's too bad that you have to be acknowledged by a band as a crowd to like them. Not every band needs bad jokes and merchandise hocking sales pitches between every song. Go see this band if you truly appreciate music. But if you want what's exactly on the album, stay away, cause you'll just ruin the show for everyone else.

Anonymous (October 17, 2003)

I saw this show in Chicago and was very dissapointed. Many of the songs dragged well into the 20-30 minute range. It was boring to the point that people in the crowd were holding conversations until the next song started. Most of the band came off as being pretentious pricks too. Cedrick would go off stage after every song to to scream at the people working the sound because he was having mic problems, and the closest thing the band did to acknowledging the crowd was when Cedrick got on the mic to inform everyone the sound crew at the Riviera were "Fucking idiots". At the end of the set he hurled his mic at the ground and stormed off with the rest of the band. Bah.

Anonymous (October 17, 2003)

OK, I have seen them live twice and have about 7 bootlegs. No song has ever gone over 17 minutes long (which was Cicatriz and is close to 13 minutes even on the album). You people exaggerate so much. The Mars Volta have no 2 minute songs so that "jamming" you were hearing was part of the song you must have skipped over. Yes, they improvise a lot and that is the whole Mars Volta sound...you never get the same show twice. Oh yeah, they are such rockstars, how dare they put a $6.99 price tag on a 70-minute full-length. They are obviously raping you of your money.

Anonymous (October 17, 2003)

i just got back from the pittsburgh show and well...first of all i am not a 15 year old kid, i am in my mid-20's and have alot of knowledge in the music field, and i will say that this was one of the worst things i have ever witnessed...the show was poised to start at 8:00 w/ Saul Williams, guess what, he's not there...there was no nobody on stage til 8:55, no announcements, nothing, then when TMV came onstage about nearly 9:30,they just rocked for 2 minutes, then jammed for 25, then played another 2 minute song, the jammed for 20 minutes, 7-8 songs were played, NOT A SINGLE WORD was spoken to the crowd, not good evening, not goodbye, nothing...not a word spoken about the whereabouts of Saul Williams or why the show started and hour and a half late...they are not that good live, they can play their instruments, yes, but have NO presence, o.k. the singer can dance, so fucking what, sing a song from the album, do not make words up and just scream, there was no emotion, this was not worth the 20 dollars anybody paid for it...and the 5 minute bass solo, is not that great, he isn't that good, really...my true advice is stay away from the show, and just buy or download the cd, they seem to be rockstars enough that they don't need your money.

Anonymous (October 16, 2003)

I would just like to point out, since it is noticed by less and less kids nowadays, that there is a whole type of music separate from both the NFG/Dashboard bad pop rock & the Mars Volta prog rock and that genre is called "punk".

Anonymous (October 16, 2003)

The Mars Volta are so pretentious. They don't even aknowledge that there is a crowd present.

Anonymous (October 16, 2003)

To the asshole below, if you actually read my post I said they weren't a punk band, I wasn't the one who posted this review but since it was posted I have the right to comment on it.
bitch.

relay1112 (October 16, 2003)

"relay1112, I think I love you.

-adam"

Haha, stop... I'm blushing.

Anonymous (October 16, 2003)

Why am I not surprised with the reaction to this band on this site?

cause this is a punk site
and mars volta is not a punk band
how about instead of telling people not going to see them
you stop talking about non-punk bands here
bitch

Anonymous (October 16, 2003)

Why am I not surprised with the reaction to this band on this site? Probably because you all listen to Brand New and think it's groundbreaking...oh yeah and Dashboard Confessional has consistently been reviewed with no less than 4 stars...Mars Volta are NOT trying to be a punk band or even a conventional band. They are playing what they want to play (god forbid!) and people who get it, get it, while those who don't, don't. My advice, don't go see them if you aren't into what they are doing...I love how you guys go to their show expecting ATDI and then bitch when it turns out it isn't.

Jesse (October 15, 2003)

There is nothing in this world that could contend with watching that bass solo. Be bored if you want to. This is music for a musician to appreciate, and there are people who do play the bass and are maddened at the fact that the bass is always left out of the equation for improvization.

Anonymous (October 15, 2003)

I was also at The Mars Volta concert in Madison. While I missed Saul Williams (who got excellent among the people I talked to afterward), I managed to see the entire TMV set.

Let's get one thing straight: I am madly in love with the music that the afro'd heros, and their counterparts make. Furthermore, I am also a fan of long-ass solos. I was raised on bands like Pink Floyd and Led Zeppelin (hippie parents), and I couldn't stop thinking back to comparing the laid back, drug-induced groves to Pink Floyd, a mad drum solo to Led Zeppelin (Moby Dick. Rock.), and of course Omar's ability to look and play like he was the possessed bastard son of Jimi Hendrix... I was incredibly happy they pulled a song off of the Tremulant EP, as well. Oh, and watching the keyboardist go completely nuts... that made my year.

However, these were probably the highest parts of the show. It *was* incredibly boring. Their incredible ability to play music almost, but not quite, made up for their ability to not stop playing solos. The understandable ones were a five minute drum solo, and about three or four tiny little interludes between songs my Omar. Otherwise, Omar was ripping out 10-20 minutes of radically bending notes, Cedric humming/yelling/singing/whatevering, and the same repetative beat over and over. And let us not overlook the 10 minute bass solo. Was said bass solo full of sounds that I have never heard come out of a bass, and probably SHOULDN'T ever come out of a bass? Yes. But I, like most people, cannot focus on such a thing for very long. After Cicatriz, they had pretty much lost the crowd, save Televators, when you could hear the crowd softly sing the words to themselves in a moment of tranquility, and the very end of Take the Veil, when the crowd went absolutely nuts.

I love The Mars Volta, probably more than I legally should. I also love mad extended solos, but not that much.

I'm going to agree with Bo on this.

But, make no mistake about it. You should see The Mars Volta, if not just to say you heard the band live, but to yell out to Cedric and lose all the cool points.

Anonymous (October 15, 2003)

i just moved to madison for school, where are there good shows besides the barrymore? chicago and milwaukee?

Anonymous (October 15, 2003)

i'm seeing mars volta in new york this coming week. if i end up not enjoying them the blood brothers show and dillinger escape plan show will make up for it.

-greyicewater

Anonymous (October 15, 2003)

"there setlist is the album from start to finish, so when they played cicatriz for "30 minutes" i think you missed a song or two"

No. They sometimes play through the entire albums, while sometimes they just get into these long jams on some songs. I'm seeing them for the first time next month, and I really hope they play a lot of songs, as jamming on a concert is a bit too prog for my liking.

Great band though.

Jesse (October 15, 2003)

The Mars Volta is not a mainstream band. They are not something you go to see to romp around in your mosh pit to see. That's what At The Drive In was, and albeit, At The Drive In kicked ass, this is a whole new band. The aim of The Mars Volta is to display music in a new light. They are not a band that is organized to please a crowd by telling jokes, by playing exactly what the album is. They are serious musicians with the goal of playing music and displaying their amazing talent. There is no way anybody can deny that this is one of the most talented bands out there today. They didn't even play Inertiatic ESP, which is the song that gained the most popularity for them. So whine about how they didn't keep enough energy up for you to mosh. Go see Warner Brother's Rancid or Anti-Flag. No one is forcing you to go to The Mars Volta, and no one is forcing you to read this article. And Saul Williams owned like fucking mad.

Anonymous (October 15, 2003)

Yawn.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

What did you guys expect? Mars Volta are a pretty damned boring band, I don't really know why they're on a "punk" site, seeing as they are (for better or for worse is a matter of opinion) what punk started to destroy anyway... When it comes to prog, just get your ELP, Yes, Genesis, and the Nice albums out... Since it's mood music that is usually for mellowed out people, of course the live show is going to be boring. Of course technical skill doesn't make up for being way overly self indulgent, that's the point... "they did in 10 minutes what they could have done in 2"... Well there you have it, square one of punk rock. Let the 70s keep this boring shit.

-BSD

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

and yes they should of at least said somethin to the crowd again amazing pretentious acid fiends

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

whoa whoa. sandyyyyyy (relay), how you gonna act a fool. 1) fros need to stay 2) your right about the elitests. 3) on the cd, every concept they have, i feel is not dragged on at all, and is very well thought out, with the exception of a very small portion of cicatrez. so its a great great cd. 4) i was at this concert, and yes while songs were extended much past what they should be (minutes of boredom), the pure emotion, stage presence and AMAZING talent of this band came out. for christs sake, i think they may just have the greatest drummer around, and when the whole band left for the 10 minute mind blowing bass solo my pants were creamed. this particular concert was simply ruined by the bad venue. and as pretentious as omar and cedric are, i love them, god knows--jimmy

dignin (October 14, 2003)

"I have friends who go to hippie jam band shows and i'll bet most of those bands don't drag a song on for 3/4 of an hour."

A friend of mine went to phish, they did one song for a hour and a half

adam (October 14, 2003)

relay1112, I think I love you.

-adam

relay1112 (October 14, 2003)

If that was in reference to my comment, you misinterpreted what I was saying. What I said was not in reaction to the review at all, and even backed the reviewer's viewpoint indirectly, but had everything to do with the general mood of most of the comments previously posted.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

Attention span has nothing to do with it, it's all taste. Personally I hate extended solos, they just seem pretentious and self indulgent. I think that is what he meant by saying that the musicians were playing for themselves. They just were wanking on one song for the better part of an hour not caring if everyone has a good time.

relay1112 (October 14, 2003)

I'm sick of elitist scenesters labeling people who don't like TMV as little kids with narrow musical taste (usually stereotyped as being restricted to punk) and short attention spans. I, for one, love bands such as Godspeed You! Black Emperor and other such lengthy post-rock outfits, so attention span is not the issue. I also listen to weirder shit than 90% of people on this site, so that's not the issue either.

I think the issue most of us have with TMV is that they take a good idea and stretch it ad nauseum until I hate the idea that spawned such pointless noodling. It's the principle rule of music: end it BEFORE it becomes boring. TMV fail to realize this.

There's a difference between length for the sake of length (or jamming for the sake of jamming) and length for the expression of a lot of good ideas (or jamming for the sake of musical progression). TMV does a whole lot of the first and not nearly enough of the second.

Basically, either refine your songs or come up with enough ideas to fill the vacancies present in your debut. You can talk about all the contrasts and deepness of De-Loused, but really you're just messing with yourself.

And shave off the damn fros.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

'umm... 40 minutes is 2/3 of an hour... '

uhh, yea no shit, point was, 40 or 45 mins both are the better part of an hour... way too long for a live song. i was also implying hippie jam bands drag on forever, usually at least 45 mins (3/4 hour) for one song.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

I have yet to hear these guys but from all the comments so far I'd guess they sound like Trenchmouth's later stuff, just more diverse in style.

Maybe I'll go download an mp3, I've been listening to strange music today.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

there are absolutely incredible moments on this album. various 30-second segments make me orgasm. the rest of it is pretty boring and so-so.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

You wouldn't believe how many used copies of 'De-loused' I'm seeing these days at record shops. So what does the consenus seem to be? Lame. Very lame.

thriceequalsgod (October 14, 2003)

"well, 40 minutes for one song is a little much. I have friends who go to hippie jam band shows and i'll bet most of those bands don't drag a song on for 3/4 of an hour"

umm... 40 minutes is 2/3 of an hour...

and the mars volta are really aliens...

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

"It was like they were playing for themselves, not caring that they had people who paid money to see them"

man, i hate it when musicians play for themselves.

-my thoughts exactly.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

EMOGAME 2 blasts mars volta but i love them anyway

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

Considering these songs were designed so that they could improvise wherever and whenever they wanted I'm not surprised by this one bit. If you go to a Mars Volta show expect to see Mars Volta, not Black Flag.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

'judging by your attention spans, 12 i am guessing?'

well, 40 minutes for one song is a little much. I have friends who go to hippie jam band shows and i'll bet most of those bands don't drag a song on for 3/4 of an hour. I seriously would get incredibly burned out.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

you're welcome

-jesus

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

Finally, a bad Mars Volta review! THANK YOU JESUS! THANK YOU!

-mR.oHio

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

We've finally reached the day put Coheed and Cambria / the Mars Volta on the same tour and name it the Hippiepunkshow 2003

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

I just saw them play last night in columbus ohio and your review matches my thoughts EXACTLY. They just kept jamming and dragging out the songs way too long. I kept thinking to myself... 'are they going to play another song, or just keep fucking playing the same solo/jam for the next half hour?'. And THEY DID jam for about a half hour while everyone stared at the walls... Amazing album (one of my top 3 for the year for sure) but mediocre at best live show.

captaincrunch (October 14, 2003)

They had basically the same set in Columbus last night. It was excellent. I agree to some extent that a few of the solos were dragged out. On the other hand, there are not a lot of bands will play for almost 2 hours, and I appreciate that. There are too many times when I'll go see a band and they will play for only 45 minutes when they have 5 times the material of TMV. In my opinion, it was worth the 3 1/2 hour drive and the money. Not as good as the last leg of their tour, but still in the top 10 concerts I've been to this year.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

I saw them play two shows in The Netherlands about a month ago. I'm a huge TMV fan, but even I thought some parts were stretched out way too long. They played the same set (plus Concertina from the EP). Cicatriz lasted 43 minutes when I saw 'em! When they played songs the same as on the album with only a couple of short improvs (Roulette Dares, Drunkship, Concertina) it did sound amazing, as good as I could've hoped for. I don't mind 40 minute songs as long as they're enough stuff happening, but on Take The Veil and Cicatriz they played really quiet parts over and over and over again, which wasn't exciting.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

wow, i have never read more stupid comments before on this website.

i wonder what the average age is of the people who have posted here before me. judging by your attention spans, 12 i am guessing?

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

gay

at_the_drive_in_21 (October 14, 2003)

Man, I saw them play in Toronto and was AMAZED. People weren't moshing around because most of their jam songs don't really encourage moshing. Not too many people were moving around, but those who were are kind of missing the point. You come to watch this band play and appreciate their improvisations and stage dynamics. Well, at least that's why I went to watch this band.
Its not straight ahead rock with a steady rhythm, so moshing is kind of difficult.

Sounds like this reviewer has been jaded by too much punk and anything over 3 minutes can't hold said reviewer's interest. I personally loved the extended solos, and was mesmerized by their musicianship and stage presence. Not once was I bored watching the action onstage.

**Also, don't let my name fool you into thinking that I love this just because its part of the ATDI family tree, I just think Mars Volta's music is fantastic. Sparta licks nuts.**

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

I never really got into ATDI. I like one-armed scissor but never really could pay attention to the rest of the album. That said I like a lot things in deloused, and I can listen to it moreso than relationship of command, but whatever. I wanna see 'em live once and I'll be fine.

Anonymous (October 14, 2003)

this is the most overrated band in recent music history. atdi was good but this is not atdi. and that's a fact for all you butt plugging indie fucks who would gladly take it up the ass from cedric and his fro.

Anonymous (October 13, 2003)

I picked up the Mars Volta CD used a few days after it came out, listened, thought "wow", didn't listen again for 2 months, traded it in.

I did the same thing.

Anonymous (October 13, 2003)

Cedric and Omar seem to be getting more and more wrapped up in Cedric and Omar. I picked up the Mars Volta CD used a few days after it came out, listened, thought "wow", didn't listen again for 2 months, traded it in.

Anonymous (October 13, 2003)

"It was like they were playing for themselves, not caring that they had people who paid money to see them"

man, i hate it when musicians play for themselves.

who do i have to knuckle womb fist fuck around here to get a decent review?

wyzo

Anonymous (October 13, 2003)

your an idiot, there setlist is the album from start to finish, so when they played cicatriz for "30 minutes" i think you missed a song or two, and in general may have been facing the merch booth for the majority of the show.

wyzo

ElVaquero (October 13, 2003)

man, these guys just keep ripping off op ivy over and over. let's put a stop to it.

inagreendase (October 13, 2003)

I completely agree with Adam. I always thought that comment on the Delousing... review board that said "you people act like you've never heard a prog-rock album before" was right on target.

hungryjoe (October 13, 2003)

I've said it before, but I'll say it again.

Anyone who doesn't see the Pink Floyd comparisions hasn't listened to Pink Floyd enough.

adam (October 13, 2003)

"Yes, they're great musicians, but this song was incredibly long and boring"

That's really my opinion of the Mars Volta in general. Blah.

-adam

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